If Kubiak Gets A Pink Slip, Who Should Succeed Him?
With seemingly everyone on staff here at BRB making their pitch as to why Gary Kubiak should get the ax at season's end, it has already gotten the "Who should be the next Coach" debate going. Not that there aren't still the Kubes defenders, but the balance of power seems to have definitely shifted after the facepalmer on Monday Night.
When this argument begins, you immediately hear a lot of the same names that always get thrown out there. And then you hear about a lot of the coordinators, other up-and-comers. and possibly some college coaches. So I wanted to throw some of these names out there and see where BRB nation is leaning if Kubiak does indeed get his walking papers at season's end.
While I think it is still early and anything greater than a 7-9 record saves Gary's job, I still want to get this debate on record and gauge it as the season goes on.
The list of candidates begins after the jump...
First, let me make my rationale of what kind of Coach I would personally want clear. I have been quoted in the past as saying that I want an established guy. Someone who has coached before and has had some success in this league already. I didn't want some "up-and-comer" coordinator who is looking for his first head coaching job. After all, that's what we got in Kubiak and now we're stuck in neutral. But my stance on this has changed.
I can't let the mistakes of a few outweigh the successes of the many. Pretty much all of the coaches in the league were coordinators of some type before they got to where they are today. And also being a Falcons fan and hating the Mike Smith hiring when it happened, well, I've ended up eating a lot of crow on that front, so to count out coordinators as the next Texans head coach would be pretty dumb. I will include some on my short list, definitely.
What I do want is a defensive-minded guy and someone who will demand better performance from his players. A word I get really sick of hearing thrown around by the media is "swagger." I do want a coach who will get up in a player's face and challenge them to be better, not pat them on the back and tell them that they'll get 'em next time. I want someone with attitude and fire. Someone whose idea of discipline isn't to bench a guy for a quarter. A coach who holds his players accountable and makes them play above their natural abilities.
With a lot of these coordinators, it's hard to say if they possess that ability, since none of them have ever led a team. But I do hope that it is taken into consideration if/when the next hunt begins. Let's look at some of the names that have come up for head coaching jobs in the NFL.
The "Established" Guys
Bill Cowher - This one seems to always be the first words out of everyone's mouth when talking about a possible Kubes replacement. It is easy to understand why. He has that attitude and fire I mentioned earlier. He also has a winning pedigree, and the team he built in Pittsburgh won another title right after he retired. He likes to run the ball and is a defensive-minded guy. But what the average Joe football fan doesn't realize about Cowher is that a great deal of his success was shared with his defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau. LeBeau is considered one of the greatest defensive coordinators ever and he is quite happy in Pittsburgh. So a potential reunion for them in Houston is unlikely. If they came as a pair, I'd personally be all over it. Cowher alone, I'm not so sure. He is a 3-4 guy and that would mean a couple more years of getting the talent needed to run that system. The last thing Bob McNair is going to be able to sell to the fans of Houston is to give the team more time to rebuild and retool. I would put the chances of this one at 25%, and that's being generous.
Jon Gruden - I won't lie. I would like to have Jon Gruden here. I think he would fit well with this system and wouldn't require too much of a change as far as personnel goes. I know plenty here don't like him because of the way he fellates Peyton Manning and Vince Young on Monday Night Football. Still, his skills as an NFL head coach shouldn't be ignored. He was the last guy to make the Oakland Raiders actually respectable and he won a title with Tampa Bay (which I know Tony Dungy gets the credit for building). He's a big defensive guy and has no problems getting in a guy's face and telling him that he expects more out of them. I would be pretty happy with the guy here, but like I told the others, I don't want him bad enough to start campaigning for him like I did for Rick Adelman or anything when the Rockets booted Jeff Van Gundy. If he had interest in returning to the sidelines, surely he would be on the Texans' radar. I would put the chances of Gruden at 60%. It would be more if we knew for sure that he was interested in returning to coaching.
Marty Schottenheimer - Again, no idea if this guy is even interested in returning to the NFL, and at 67, you have to wonder how much he has left in the tank. The bottom line is that he has gotten results wherever he has coached before. Sure, he gets criticized for never being able to win big in the playoffs, but he consistently gets his teams there. I think the chances of this one are pretty low since I don't even hear his name come up much anymore. Like 15% low.
John Fox - No one knows if he is going to get fired in Carolina this year, but it is expected. He has held that post since 2002 and has gotten to a Super Bowl with Jake Freakin' Delhomme at quarterback. I have to think that if he hits the market this offseason that he will have no problem finding another job, so the competition for him may be steep. With Carolina the current favorite to land Cowher this offseason since that is where he currently resides, Fox should be available. I wouldn't mind this hire and I'm sure Bob wouldn't either. But he won't come without a fight. I put this one at 50% due to the demand he'll likely be in.
Brian Billick - No, thank you. 0%.
The "Up & Comers"
Leslie Frazier - For the past couple of offseasons, this guy has been a hot name to get a head coaching job, but he has remained the defensive coordinator with the Vikings. No one is sure if he is just hanging on and hoping to take the job in Minnesota after Childress is inevitably fired at year's end or if he just didn't see any other head coaching jobs he liked. He fits the defensive-minded category that I'd like, but with the personnel on the Vikings' defense, I have to wonder how much of it is him and how much of it is the "Leo Mazzone Effect" (taking credit for being a great pitching coach when you had Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz in their prime). I think it is a foregone conclusion he gets the reigns in Minnesota after "Chili" gets the boot. I put the chances at 1%, because nothing is ever 100% certain.
Sean McDermott - This is the one name that Rivers, Matt and myself seem to agree wholeheartedly on. He has been with the Eagles since 1998 and has worked his way up from a scouting director to the defensive coordinator last season. He definitely fits the defensive mold I'm looking for and is a young guy at just 36. One of the great things about his defensive scheme is that he actually runs blitz packages, something that makes Texans fans drool. He will likely draw some interest from others this offseason, but I think if Houston wants him, they could get him, as he is still kind of flying under the radar as the next "sexy pick" for a head coaching job. Kind of like Mike Smith did. I put the chances at 75% if Bob is interested in him.
Brian Schottenheimer - The son of Marty has made quite a name for himself as the Jets offensive coordinator. What he has been able to do with a hack like Mark Sanchez shouldn't be overlooked, and he was a pretty big part in Drew Brees' development while in San Diego. I think he may be a year or two away from being head coach material. 10% chance.
Mike Mularkey - This is just me listing a guy I know from watching the Falcons. He was the head coach for a couple of years with the Bills and has been the offensive coordinator for Atlanta since 2008. I like him and thought he had a crap team when he took the job in Buffalo (imagine that...Buffalo crappy? He did lead them to a 9-7 record one year) and he deserves another shot. He likes to run the ball a lot and is pretty good with quarterbacks. Still, I think he won't garner much interest after the Buffalo disaster, in which he resigned after getting into it with management. 5% chance.
Mike Zimmer - What Zimmer has done with the Bengals defense should say all you need to know about him. He has done an amazing job with what he was given. Being on "Hard Knocks" with the Bengals raised his visibility around the league, believe it or not. Great defensive guy that should be worth an interview, but maybe not ready to don the lead headset yet. 10% chance.
There are plenty of other names out there, like Todd Bowles (Miami), Pat Shurmur (St. Louis), Kevin Gilbride (New York Giants), Mike Nolan (Denver), Mike Heimerdinger (Tennessee), Ron Rivera (San Diego) and Peter Carmichael, Jr. (New Orleans). And the list is sure to grow as the season progresses.
College Coaches
After the waves Nick Saban and Bobby Petrino made in their short stints in the NFL, most owners are hesitant to hire anyone from the college ranks. Can you blame them? Still, many names come up like Brian Kelly (Cincinnati), Kirk Ferentz (Iowa) and Jim Harbaugh (Stanford), as well as the usual suspects like Urban Meyer (Florida) and Bob Stoops (Oklahoma). I just don't see it happening here. If any of them had a shot, and I mean a real outside shot, it would maybe be Harbaugh. I just have to believe after 9 years, Bob McNair will want to do whatever he can to get a guy who is going to get results fast, and a college coach is unlikely to do that.
There you have it, guys. That is the short list of most of the names being kicked around out there. Have someone in mind that I missed (I'm sure Night Owl will bring up Herm Edwards)? Really like one of the guys listed? Get your name on it now in the comments below and look back at the start of the 2011 season and laugh...or cry.
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What is the point of this?
We’re a 4-3 team with over half the season left to play. Are there frustrations? Yes. But holy hell, what is the point of positing a bunch of fantasy nonsense about a new coach when there is zero evidence this will be necessary come February.
Futhermore
Isn’t this basically just River’s post yesterday but with bold letters and a longer list?
by DisplacedTexan on Nov 4, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
And i guess I missed Rivers' post
But still, aren’t each of us allowed to have differing opinions? We all wrote about our disdain for the coaching staff and had similar reasons. Does that mean that we should just leave one post for the opinion of the entire blog?
Rivers, I apologize if I just plagiarized your work. It was completely unintentional. Been working on this since our email discussion on Tuesday.
I'm with you
I know there’s no harm in playing the what if game, but the way I feel about most coaches is that as long as the players are still buying in then there’s not much reason to replace them as long as they are having some success. Any head coach in the NFL is going to have plenty of football knowledge. It’s more a question of if they can keep the players believing in what they are doing.
Kubiak has done plenty to make fans question if he’s the right guy for the job. You can name any hall of fame coach you want and it wouldn’t be hard to find bizarre play calls or poor game plans all over their resume. There’s plenty of holes in this roster, and at this point I think Rick Smith is as much to blame as Kubiak even though he has made plenty of good moves. Of course, that depends on how much influence Kubiak has on personnel. McNair does though, and that’s something he’ll have to take into consideration.
I’m much more down on the players and their failure to execute than I am the coaching staff at this point.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
There comes a point where blame steamrolls through the players and up to management..
that point is now. Being mediocre at best for half a decade doesn’t give glorious indications of future success. Kubiak simply doesn’t have a finger on the pulse of his team. It’s hard to quantify this type of thing, i know, but when I watch Kubiak coach, talk to his team or players, or talk to the media..I hear a defeated man. How can a coach have so many games where his team doesn’t even show up to the stadium after an apparently “great week of practice and preparation”.
Some coaches have “it” that allows them to undertstand the strengths and weaknesses of their players and how to consistently conduct their team towards the common goal of winning…Kubiak does not have “it” and I think 5 years is quite enough of a sample to expect more of the same.
by leacheatsbabies on Nov 4, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
No more experiments!
Let’s go with tried and true:
Jimmy Johnson or Bill Cowher. Personally I don’t like either of them as individuals, or the teams they managed, but it is hard to argue with their ability to win games and championships. The challenge the Texans have is Bob McNair demands a certain polish and gentlemen model, so that puts Cowher on thin ice possibly. I’m not sure Houston fans could ever shake the vision of Cowher’s association with the Steelers, but if he comes in, kicks ass, wins games, wins playoff games, they’d probably get over it fast.
Jimmy would fit the gentleman PR mold, and has a hell of a strong record:
Career record
NFL: 80–64–0 (Regular season)
9–4 (Postseason)
89–68–0 (Overall)
Super Bowl wins 1993 Super Bowl XXVIII
1992 Super Bowl XXVII
Championships won 1993 NFC Championship
1992 NFC Championship
NCAA: 81–34–3
1987 NCAA Championship
oh and he was born in Port Arthur, Texas (in case a “hometown” hero is also required)
Kubiak will do enough to keep his job. We are facing an owner’s lockout and next season is totally in question at this point unless a new CBA is signed. Don’t expect any major coaching moves until the CBA is done.
"I've been big ever since I was little." ~ William "The Fridge" Perry
There's no indication Jimmy has any desire to return to coaching
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Very true
but if he’s so bored that he’s willing to go to a distant insect infested Nicaragua to play “survivor” on CBS, he may as well come to insect infested Houston and play “NFL survivor” on CBS.
At least here he can be back fishing in the Keys in just a couple of hours, AND it would take years to get voted out of the tribe instead of just 8 days.
"I've been big ever since I was little." ~ William "The Fridge" Perry
Psh, insect-infested.
Survivor: San Juan del Sur. They’re doing it minutes away from a place I spent about five weekends drinking and surfing at this year. Next thing you know, it’ll be Survivor: Cancun.
They Will Call it
Survivor Yucatan
Sounds more ‘ooooooo’
"I want you guys to pair up in groups of three and then line up in a circle." - Bill Peterson former Oilers Coach
by Barryfromtexas on Nov 4, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
This was a joke, right?
Jimmy Johnson?
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 5, 2010 3:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure who exactly I would want
But I do know that I want a defensive guy. What’s the point in bringing in an offensive coach when the offense is already very good in its current system?
Oooh, it's Peter King math!
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… hmmmmmm?!?! Is this to mean we are going to hire multiple head coaches?
Ha Ha!
Just my opinion of the chances. Sorry, next time I’ll Mr. Hanky, the Christmas poo, what he thinks.
Like I said before
I’m a Financial Accountant. I can’t be depended on for things like this…
But in all seriousness, that wasn’t what I was trying to do. Each was just graded on a scale of 100%. Not that total sharing 100%.
well
if you think that, then I can sell you a collection of bets on who the next coach will be that seem fair to you and is logically guaranteed to lose you money no matter who ends up getting hired
yeah it's not even a possibility
who’s ever heard of a head coach of five years being all “oh you want me to step down to OC? Yeah, I’m cool with that, despite how humiliating the suggestion is.”
Didn't Gunther Cunningham
step down to DC for the Chiefs when Dick Vermeil came onboard? Or am I not remembering that right?
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
by UprootedTexan on Nov 4, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
CHUCK CECIL
Then he could cut Mario, Antonio Smith and Amoeba and get some real linemen.
And we’d start knocking the crap outta some QBs. My 8 year old could play QB against the Texans pass rush.
Earth to Texans and the fans : THEY HAVE NO PASS RUSH. Mario sucks and so does Smith. Ugunlye is a good start on building a real line.
Just the first part
…and the last part. The part in the middle too.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
by papabear on Nov 4, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Breaking news: Philip Rivers is a knob.
No really. It’s true. See here: http://philipriversface.blogspot.com/
8-8, 8-8, 9-7, ?-?
Is this train going anywhere?
If this season’s record ends up in the realm of mediocrity all over again, I predict and I will support, the firing of Coach Kubiak.
My reasons are not just record, however. It is the fact that each game is coached not to win, but to just be there at the end. That coaching philosophy is easily exploited when another team is coached to win and they have the talent to carry it out. Trying to win using Coach Kubiak’s game-strategy philosophy is like flipping a coin. Sometimes it comes up heads and sometimes it comes up tails. Sometimes the ball bounces your way and you win and sometimes it bounces the other guy’s way and you lose. Sometimes it’s close and sometimes it’s no contest. But, it’s always 50-50. This is not winning football.
I dub the Chargers.....Cromartieless, Merrimanless, Tomlinsonless....WHO ARE THESE GUYS?
This is a must read!!!
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2010/11/norv-turner-no-cry.html
Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Nov 4, 2010 2:29 PM CDT reply actions
Wow.....TOTALLY missed on this article.
You completely forgot the promote from within angle!
Where is FRANK BUSH?
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU
LoLz
"I want you guys to pair up in groups of three and then line up in a circle." - Bill Peterson former Oilers Coach
by Barryfromtexas on Nov 4, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe we should pull a Joker (Dark Knight) move on Frank Bush
Joker voice blasts over Reliant Stadium as 3rd quarter begins:
“……but why should I be the only one having fun. If Frank Bush is still alive by the end of this game, I’m going to blow up the entire Medical Center”
70,000+ fans look around…..and then jump out of their seats with determination in their eyes
"I've been big ever since I was little." ~ William "The Fridge" Perry
by MeMongo on Nov 4, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
BANNED.

I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
by UprootedTexan on Nov 4, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry, but I am proud that now we can cry out
to fire the head coach mid season with a winning record. That is a huge step forward!
While I share some frustration with Kubiak as of late, its not all “on him” despite what he says…And I certainly am no fan of trading an offense for a defense. That’s just silly. And boring. And did I read Kevin Gilbride? Oh, Heavens!
This team is being built for long-term sustained success. Pretty much all the decisions are being made accordingly and while frustrating, most are working out. I am disappointed as of late by the development of our defensive players and would agree with Lance Z that we either are either evaluating our needs or the talent poorly on the defensive side. That would have to change.
If I was McNair and Bush didn’t turn it around here and inspire me with our Defensive development…then I would be present for the interview process for the Best Defensive Coordinatop candidates (who can take advantage of our current personnel) on the Market and make him the D.Coordinator (along with his choice of top, proven/bonafide assistants). Then I’d pressure Smith to Have a Hell of a Draft and FA offseason…making us bigger, more physical, nastier & deeper with 1st-4th round players who CAN fit within our current system, but would also project to be successful in most any system in the event we had a coaching change…
Back when we drafted Mario, this team was sooo bad, I projected it would take til 2012-13 season before we really become contenders. While I think there have been things I think could have made us more competitive quicker such as grabbing a resonablely priced vet FA or Not Changing Defensive systems entirely -which now seems silly unless you are one just off-season away from being competitive with the new system….I think by in large we are growing and maturing as a team. Time will vindicate this slow-drowth approach (I hope!).
by Smittybaby on Nov 4, 2010 3:01 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
So five years isn't enough?
When you have coaches who turn awful teams around in two years? Hell, sometimes in one year?
I guess you’re just more patient than me.
Me too, so I checked and...
Miami
2007 1-15
2008 11-5
San Diego
2003 4-12
2004 12-4
Chicago
2000 5-11
2001 13-3
Pittsburgh
2003 6-10
2004 15-1
Indy
1998 3-13
1999 13-3
St Louis
1998 4-12
1999 13-3
These are just back to back turnarounds (one year). I didn’t go beyond 1999, but there are more here: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-12-18-ufr-week-15_N.htm
"I've been big ever since I was little." ~ William "The Fridge" Perry
How did those teams fare the year after that?
And the year before? Miami missed the playoffs the next year, San Diego was 8-8 in 2002, Chicago Bears where 4-12 in 2002, Steelers won 10 games in 2002, Indy drafted Peyton Manning.
Most of these teams either had been good the year before their shitty season, or had one good season and then faded away after the “turnaround”. Also, other then Miami, none of them where as devoid of talent as the Texans where when Kubiak came in.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
You're right
Their one year of success and missing the playoffs the next season sucks way more than going .500 every season with no playoffs.
by Mike Kerns on Nov 5, 2010 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm trying to bring context to it
The point is that they very likely simply got lucky. If they miss the playoffs again this year it means they are about as good as we have been, and had one flucky season. Having that happen to one team out of the bunch of teams that have changed head coaches since we have doesn’t mean it is any way reasonable to expect the same thing to happen to us. If we shit the bed and don’t make the playoffs this year I’ll be all for having Kubes fired, but unlike the rest of you I’m not writing off the season because we are 4-3 through 7 games.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
by nolander on Nov 5, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The thing that always gets left out of these comparisons...
…is the relative crapitude of the team before the new coach took over.
The C3 era left us with:
1) no talent AND
2) no cap room to go out and ACQUIRE talent for the first few years
The fact that we were even able to get to 8-8 as quickly as we were based on where we started and the ongoing handicaps under which Smithiak has had to operate until the last year or so is pretty amazing. But don’t let me get in front of this crowd of torch-wielding villagers…
/grabbing a torch and turning to run with the mob…
“Kill the Monster!!! Kill the Monster!!!”
by DilloTex on Nov 5, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I completely agree
But none of that is any excuse for being so poor at the most basic skills required to be a head coach in the NFL (in the 5th year of that position).
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
I think we should wait until we don't have a winning record 7 games into the season
to call for the coaches head. Its a crazy thought, I know.
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.'
My eight year old was screaming "RUN THE BALL" at the TV on Monday night....
Gary Kubiak was just outcoached by my 3rd grader…..
He needs to go.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU
by TexansForever on Nov 4, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Why is this not green?
It says it all.
We have the #1 rusher in the NFL against an shitty Indy run defense and we open with…..3 fucking pass plays? WTF?!?!?!
I can see taking some losses to set up plays later when your actually in a chess match, but to not run the ball when there was no setup needed? Again, WTF?! Run it until they show they can stop it.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
It's not simply looking at our record,
It’s how we got that record. I at first wasn’t on this wagon until I started reading and even thinking for myself more about it (what a novel concept, thinking for yourself? Thanks, college!). One of the things that makes anyone good at their job is the ability to adjust at the right times to fit the times. Kubiak doesn’t, and everybody and their mother knows that Frank Bush doesn’t (“Crap, are they figuring out my zones?! Well, I’ll send out a new one…..wait….that’s just what they’ll be expecting…SAME ZONES!!!”)
Look, I love Aggies (raised by one), I love the Texans (get to hope that I can vicariously fulfill a deep, dark desire to watch the Titans get clobbered by the Safety Formerly Known as Bonecrusher and Who we used to call Super Mario), but this has gone on long enough.
Kubiak is disconnected, with both his players and the game at hand. What I thought was a blue-collar stoicism is truly a stubbornness and a hell-bent sense of right and wrong…that’s 45 degrees off-kilter. Going with your gut works when you’re Jethro Gibbs on a TV show (that my wife and I LOVE), not when you’re a football coach with questionable play-calling abilities.
I wouldn’t straight-out fire him, he’s done a lot to fix this team. But I will say, get him to leave. I’d hate to see him get disgraced like that, but he does need to find new work.
When my 6yr old asked me Tuesday morning if we won....
I had to tell him no…He probably would have rather heard there is no Santa…broke his little heart, then it turned to rage!!!! Fire the coach, Do it for the kids!!!!
by BleedBattleRed on Nov 4, 2010 5:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I suppose for me, it'll come down to the remaining divisional games this season.
They could go 3-1 in the division and still miss the playoffs, easily. That, to me, would be the only indicator of progress without a playoff berth. Because while we’re all frustrated as hell that Kubiak coached us out of that last game, he has done a pretty good job against the Colts over the past five or six match-ups. Now, he needs to figure out a game-plan for Tennessee and Jacksonville.
As always though, I maintain that Rick Smith deserves more heat. It’s fine to build through the draft if you can draft well. But has anybody glanced over the ’07 and ’08 drafts lately? Just horrid. When you go two years without drafting any quality starters, face some injuries, and add no quality starters through free agency, it should come as no surprise that the team turns out to be mediocre. Kubiak is a mediocre coach with a mediocre team, hence why his record is the very definition of mediocre.
Sean McDermott...
I’ll jump on that bandwagon. But we gotta give this some more time this year. If we fall on our faces here in the coming up weeks and fall to a 5-6 record, I’ll be all for the firing to commence.
a joke........
Anyone here who thinks this retard freak should be our coach again next year should be banned.
Reverend Pimp Daddy
So eloquent..
So reasonable. Who could argue with that?
i mean.......
even kubiak’s wife doesn’t think he’s a man. She was seen last weekend pumping that azz on a 300 lb. black man at baby dolls.
Reverend Pimp Daddy
No mention of Herm Edwards anywhere???
He’d be my choice with Kyle Shanahan as OC (seeing as Papa Shan might be screwing himself over in D.C.)
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
He has a pretty awful record as a head-coach...
Didn’t he pretty much run two franchises into the ground?
It's not like they got him any real talent
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Nov 4, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh, yeah Night Owl
I mentioned it (and you!) IN the article…
Have someone in mind that I missed (I’m sure Night Owl will bring up Herm Edwards)?
Sorry didn't see his name since it wasn't in bold
Problem I have with most of the guys you mentioned though (especially the established ones) is that just about all of them run 3-4 defenses, which I believe would require most of scrapping the front 7 & have to bring in too many guys to fill the needs. I just don’t see Mario as a 3-4 DE or OLB. Antonio Smith could be a 3-4 DE. Barwin could a 3-4 OLB but that would mean more time developing him. With Edwards, McDermott or, Frazier, I could see any of them just overhauling the scheme to fit the defense. Gruden would be the worst choice as he would overhaul the offense, which I believe would hurt Foster the most, not to mention he doesn’t have a good track record with developing QBs if there’s not an established one or if the starter gets hurt (See Tampa Bay after the Super Bowl run). Really, do you want a coach that carries 4 or 5 QBs on the roster in the regular season?
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Nov 5, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Gruden never had a guy with the talent Matt Schaub has
He may have had 3 to 5 QB’s, but they were all middle of the road guys. No reason to believe he would do the same thing here.
You’re right about the 3-4 though. We don’t have close to the right personnel for that.
Gruden couldn't develop QBs either
He did get a bunch of rookies, & he never made any of them reach their potential due to the fact every single one of they were always on short leashes & he was quick to pull them if they screwed up
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Nov 5, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, you mean he wouldn't have let David Carr play a whole season?
Yeah, what a dick.
by Mike Kerns on Nov 5, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like it or not. . .
there is no way Kubiak will get fired before next season because of the looming lockout. When the lockout starts, this will be about the time of OTA’s. No team that has a chance at being succesful (I’m talking top 20 teams) will make a move on a head coach, and most won’t even make a coordinator move. No organization worth its weight will put there team behind the eight ball by trying to install new systems when there is a possibility of playing a shortend season.
And here is a note that I always tell all my friends that think the Texans are doing the wrong thing:1-5, 7-9 ,8-8, 8-8, 8-8. That was Jeff Fisher’s record with the Oilers/Titans in his first five seasons as head coach for them. They brought in good talent every year in the draft, and then finally hit a home run that solidified there team with Jevon Kearse. They went 13-3 his sixth year and I think the continuity in systems/players/coaches helped them in the long run. Bob Mcnair knows this, that’s why Kubiak will have one more year to produce. If they could only hit a home run with next years choice. . .
Problem with comparing to Fisher
He guided a team to those records while changing home cities three times, team names three times, and home stadiums four times during that five year year stretch. Mediocrity under those circumstances does not compare.
Can't spell DOUCHE without OU
by LoneSpot on Nov 5, 2010 1:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
So here's my question...
We’re 4-3… warts and all.
I really have no confidence that with the issues that we have on defense thus far that things are going to turn around and get better.
However, as an unapologetic Kubiak fan, I continue to hope for things to turn around.
The question is… If through smoke and mirrors (read: just flat outscoring everyone left), the Texans wind up in the playoffs by the hair of their chinny-chin-chins with say a 10-6 record and get beat badly in the first round due to a lackluster performance, are you guys STILL going to be calling for a new coach?
Because from my perspective, that will STILL represent an incremental improvement year-over-year and would be an indication of a program that was “trending up”.
Again, let me be clear… I’m not optimistic at this point and I’m getting pretty tired of underwhelming performances by this team and I’m juuuuust about to accept that the head coach is really on the hook for that. But we are still in contention and to already be talking about Kubiak’s replacement when we’ve seen his teams fight back out of a hole for him over-and-over-and-over seems a bit premature.
I think Kubes should be judged
not only based on the record but on the quality of football played as well. Sure, 4-3 doesn’t sound too bad but in reality the quality of football has been abysmal. Let’s not forget that we needed a blocked FG (that happens every day, right?) AND a 4th and 10 34yd touchdown AND and an iced kicker to beat the Skins. Then, after 3 horrendous quarters, Schaub and Andre pulled some serious miracle to get yet another improbable win. Yet, all our losses have been blow outs including a loss at home to the 1-6 Dallas. The record could have EASILY been 2-5.
Long story short, regardless of the record, just based on overall quality of football, Kubes deserves to go after the season even though he probably won’t.
"They must have been watching "Walker, the Texas Ranger" in the bullpen" - fan reaction to the Texas Rangers relievers allowing four consecutive walks in a WS game vs the Giants.
by RocketsAstros on Nov 5, 2010 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions
That's what I thought...
So if I’m understanding you correctly, it doesn’t matter WHAT our record is… you want Kubiak fired because of a lack of “style points”.
Make no mistake about it… things like blocking a field goal and icing a kicker are part of the game. We have finally gotten to the point where we are WINNING those close games and folks are STILL calling for Kubiak’s head.
Frankly, I don’t think it matters WHO is the head coach, some of you guys just like to criticize. I have a buddy who just couldn’t shut up about how much he disliked having Bill Parcells as the head coach of the Cowboys. I doubt he’d be man enough to admit it, but based on how things have gone since the Tuna left, I’m betting he wishes he had enjoyed prosperity while he had it.
As I said… I’m pretty frustrated myself right now, but having lived through the aimlessness that were the 3C years, I’m not ready to roll the dice yet.
Eh.
You can’t take anything away from him on the wins. If you’re going to do that, then you aught to give a shit-ton of credit for going 9-7 last year with several could-have-been wins.
The quality of the losses (or lack thereof), however, is disturbing. In three of seven games this year, they simply haven’t competed on either side of the ball. I don’t think anybody truly expected a win on Monday, but we did want to see a team that could hang in there until the end and have a chance.
on the quality of football played as well
This is the most disturbing thing for me. Regardless of our record up to this point in the season the play on the field has mostly regressed from last year, and it’s about 90% on the defensive side. We have the exact same personnel with the exception of Jackson and various situational DEs yet we’ve taken a major step backwards.
Is that all Kubiak’s fault? Certainly not but he is the HC. It’s his responsibility to make sure his assistants are progressing just as much as his players…..and speaking of players, he hasn’t exactly been able to inspire those 1st round picks to elevate their play consistently. Motivation.
I’ve never been quick to call for Kubiak’s firing because it means another major transitional period that could result in a much worse outcome, but at some point in the next couple of games he either needs to have his own light bulb go off or a change will be warranted.
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What we need is a starter and closer for HC. Get a starter HC for the first half of the season then for the second half of the season put Kubes back in at HC and we get steamroller momentum into the playoffs and beyond!!
I am Sancho
by HoustonTransplant on Nov 5, 2010 3:24 AM CDT reply actions
Will Ferrell
instead of screaming in frustration, we’ll just chuckle and then throw up. They look and perform very similarly:


http://www.battleredblog.com/2010/11/3/1791344/horns-of-glory-will-ferrell-as-gary-kubiak
"I've been big ever since I was little." ~ William "The Fridge" Perry
by MeMongo on Nov 5, 2010 11:17 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If you were a hot dog and you were starving
would you eat yourself?
"LoL
Why am I even wasting my time responding to a "Salad". Ugh. Yeah… shit team"
Hue Jackson
He puts players in a position to succeed, he’s running an explosive offense… in OAKLAND! He wants to play tough, and players love to play for him.
Jim Harbaugh
I do take exception with Mike Kerns about 1 college coach, Jim Harbaugh. Harbaugh did spend 15 years in the NFL as a successful starting QB, so Harbaugh does know the NFL. Harbaugh comes from a family of football coaches so Harbaugh knows coaches, college and pro. Unlike Kubiak, Harbaugh has been successful as Head Coach and has proven he knows how to consistently WIN football games.
If you get an opportunity to watch the Stanford Cardinal you will come away impressed with a team that is well coached in all phases of the game.
http://www.gostanford.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/harbaugh_jim00.html

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