Cutting Corners: The Kareem Jackson Pick in Hindsight
"In Smithiak We Trust."
This was the header here on Battle Red Blog for a short while once upon a time. It was seen on Texans message boards, member signatures and even scribbled on poster board at the stadium on game days. Fans said it. Fans believed it.
They also believed that after the 2006 draft that Houston had, the team of draft wizards Houston had compiled in Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak were infallible. That every pick they made in a draft was going to be a runaway success. Even when a questionable pick was made (i.e., Brian Cushing), the most adamant non-believers in the pick would still say "Well…in Smithiak I trust." They put their blind faith in our drafting team because of the success of Mario Williams, Owen Daniels and DeMeco Ryans from that 2006 draft. I was even guilty of it.
But after the past couple of drafts, many are starting to wonder if they were smart in 2006, or just lucky. These are the same guys who drafted Amobi Okoye, Duane Brown and the new whipping boy of Battle Red nation, Kareem Jackson. And these were just the first round picks. We’ve debated wildly over the Amobi pick many times over, so I won’t rehash that here, and if you’ve read anything that Rivers has written, you can’t really argue about the many failings of Duane Brown. What I want to spotlight today is looking at the Kareem Jackson pick in hindsight and who Houston passed on to take him. It all begins after the jump…
You can look back at the 2007 and 2008 drafts and see some of the Pro Bowl players Houston missed out on, but I want to focus on the 2010 draft. Before the draft even began, most were on the "Best Corner Available at #20" bandwagon. Even though there were about 17 articles here on BRB about why we should draft a fat ass lineman and they made a lot of sense, we all knew that wasn't going to happen with a Bill Kollar scheme.
So, with the focus on the secondary, and mainly the cornerback position with the departure of Dunta Robinson, the wish lists all came out. Some were fathomable, while others were beyond a pipe dream, like some believing that Joe Haden would drop to #20 because of a poor pro day. There was plenty of first round talent corners and with the 17 teams in front of Houston (the 49ers and Seahawks both had two picks in the first round) seemingly having more pressing needs, there should be a steal waiting at #20.
After Haden was selected by Cleveland and Ryan Mathews (who John McClain was CERTAIN Houston would pick) went off the board to San Diego, there was still some good talent on the board. When Seattle crushed the hearts of the UT faithful on BRB by taking Safety Earl Thomas, all eyes turned to Boise State standout CB Kyle Wilson (who was who I had personally campaigned for) and Rutgers CB Devin McCourty. Either would be a huge upgrade for the Texans' weak secondary and a relative steal at #20. And it appeared one of them would be a Texan when Houston went on the clock with both still there. We all know what happened next...
"With the 20th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, Houston selects Kareem Jackson, Cornerback, Alabama."
This was met with immediate shock on the draft thread here on BRB. Who?!?! That was the immediate reaction. The guy was projected to be a second-rounder at best. I even recall seeing some that had him slipping to the early third round. It was a real head scratcher, for sure. Perhaps not a "reach" by definition, but a "reach" in the opinions of many.
To be honest, the fallout didn't last that long. It quickly turned to statements like "Well, he played in the SEC" and "Smithiak knows what they're doing." But after eight games in the NFL, Kareem Jackson looks like an undrafted free agent. He is good to get burned at least once or twice on a big play every single game, and he's picked on by opposing quarterbacks all game long. This has led many to label the youngster a bust.
Personally, I'm not there...yet. He is definitely a project and he shouldn't be starting, that's for sure. Do I think he'll be a great corner someday? Probably not. Will he be an NFL caliber corner? Probably. Someday. My problem with the pick is that you don't take a project guy at #20 overall, especially when there were more NFL ready corners available at that spot.
It isn't like Frank Bush's defensive scheme is helping Jackson any, but at some point you have to at least show some flashes of why you were a first round selection and the second corner taken overall in a very stacked draft. Sure, he has two interceptions and that is more than Dunta has done in Atlanta, but those are attributed more to bad throws by opposing QBs after taking a big hit. Plus, Kareem's tackling has been just beyond poor. There was a play in the game yesterday where he got turned around twice in pursuit of a ball carrier and let a 10 yard gain turn into about a 40 yard gain. He just flat out looked drunk on the play and it made me want to get (even more) drunk myself.
What about the two guys who Houston could have drafted? Kyle Wilson went to the Jets and McCourty to the Patriots. Both teams already have better defenses and schemes than Houston, so it wouldn't make much sense to throw out a bunch of stats. The negatives piled against those two guys were that they didn't play at a major university or in a conference as tough as the SEC. Now I'm not trying to start a war about what college or NCAA conference is the toughest; that's a debate for a different time and forum. But talent is talent, and both Wilson and McCourty were graded higher in almost every category by multiple draft experts and outlets. That is simply because both are better players than Kareem Jackson. Yes, I know it is still early and it is really quick to jump the gun. Like I said, I'm not calling Jackson a bust yet. In my opinion, McCourty or Wilson have at least shown enough to show that they deserved to be taken in the first round.
If you've read what Lance Zierlein said in his column this morning, you get the distinct feeling that Kareem was all Kubiak's pick. Rick Smith may have wanted one of the other guys listed above and Gary may have overruled him to take Jackson. No one knows for certain if this is true, but if so...well, I don't know what to say.
I believe Kareem Jackson will eventually become a serviceable corner in the NFL, but he certainly didn't deserve to go in the first round, and he certainly doesn't have the talent to be run out there as a starter from day one to play every single snap as a rookie (not to mention seemingly being immune from being benched). That is just setting the kid up to fail. With the team on pace to be one of, if not the, worst defense(s) in the history of the league since the merger, failing is just what he is doing.
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Kyle Wilson has shown a lot...
in being called for PI about three or four times in his first pro game and being demoted to the dime cornerback. Kyle’s likely going to take the Nnamndi Asomugha approach of being brought along (won’t be a full-time starter until season three).
I like the Kareem pick. He’s shown flashes while having his rookie struggles. Put him in Tennessee with a pass rush and a real FS…and he’d have similar success to Alterraun Verner (the best rookie CB).
Aside from ATV and Devin McCourty (the guy I wanted), Jackson has played better or as well as any other rookie CB. The expectations for immediate rookie impact were misguided from the past few spoiled years of Ryans and Cushing.
Personally, Kareem’s meeting my expectations, and I think it was a good pick. He’ll become a good CB…but the initial expectations were too high.
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by TexansDC on Nov 8, 2010 12:24 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Re: INTs
Yes, you can say the pass rush caused a bad throw…but there’s still the matter of making a play on the ball – something that was a negative about Kareem entering the draft. He made the picks…as opposed to them hitting the turf.
"Lord, beer me strength."
It's got its drawbacks
I just focus my displeasure at Kubiak, Bush, and Smith…Smith for hating veteran players, Bush for his shitty system, and Kubiak for not forcing Bush to do something to help the kid.
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Yea CB is probably the hardest position for a rookie
behind QB. I agree that none of the other CBs in the draft have shown anything warranting them to be picked over Jackson. I wouldnt be surprised if the new defensive coordinator we get next year will turn Jackson into a much better corner.
Rec'd and agreed
he playing the way I thought he would play. He will get better in time just needs some time to reach his full potential
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Kyle Wilson also has THE BEST DEFENSE EVER rushing the passer....
Kareem has……the French Army.
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What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU
by TexansForever on Nov 9, 2010 6:44 AM CST up reply actions
Which is why I said we can't really compare what they've done for their respective teams
Wilson may have done as badly here as Kareem has done. Maybe not. We’ll never know. It was just the guy that I wanted us to draft.
Great review!
Now that we are “stuck” with this kid, I’d like to know:
1. Why does he fall down SO often, typically all alone with nobody touching him?
2. How can he not have the speed necessary to play the position? He excuses being burned by saying he missed on the jam at the line and falls behind, but please.
The biggest mistake (after taking him in the first round), was not picking up a veteran safety to help over the top until he developed into a solid CB.
Reminder: COD Black Ops 11.09.2010
We have a veteran free safety
who was a good player who just couldn’t stay healthy. Now he looks super super old, maybe the injuries finally caught up to him.
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I think he is just tired of being injured
so he just avoids tackles
Assmass alone does not a NT make.
Maybe this will give some kind of explanation.

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by UprootedTexan on Nov 8, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not entirely sure either
All I know is, if we (Durga forbid) keep Kubiak as HC, THIS will be our next draft pick at cornerback.
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by UprootedTexan on Nov 8, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Personally
I think the biggest mistake was putting him in a position to fail by making him the starter from day one. In some ways it’s kinda like what Capers/Casserly used to do.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 9, 2010 6:53 AM CST up reply actions
One reason
I liked Wilson over Jackson was the movement skills. Jackson has horrible hips. He gets his feet crossed underneath him when he changes directions. Watching Wilson at the senior bowl he had the best movement skills of all the corners.
He would have had some of the same growing pains but he at least wouldn’t have been beat because he tripped over his own feet.
Wilson’s weakness seems to be the jump ball as evidenced by his raping at the hands of Bolden in game one. Jackson hasn’t been super impressive in that department.
All that being said any corner we got would be having trouble jumping in to cover #1s and #2s with no pass rush
You find players where you find players. This is why “He played in the SEC/Big 10/etc” is always a BS reason to like somebody.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 8, 2010 12:42 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Any CB taken at #20 would have been a project
It’s an assumption that Wilson or McCourty would have been better than Jackson. None of the three are playing at a starter level right now. Pre-draft the three of them were rated fairly close. I can see a team pick any of them ahead of others based on scheme, and personnel requirements.
PS: I do not understand your hate for Duane Brown. He isn’t great, but he is an average NFL LT. He was drafted primarily for his run blocking abilities, where he has for the most part excelled. His biggest weakness is that he sucks against speed rushers, which is a known fact. It’s the coaching staff’s job to hide that weakness by providing him some help.
Assmass alone does not a NT make.
I don't hate Dune Brown.
I wouldn’t necessarily say I love him. But I certainly don’t hate him.
Rivers is the one who hates him with the fire of a thousand suns.
I also don't hate Dune Brown
I did, on the other hand, dislike the Duane Brown pick because it was trading down for a clearly inferior talent and then throwing him out there as a rookie in front of a quarterback who was already somewhat fragile. Shocker, he got hurt.
Three years later, we have invested a first round pick and first round money for a stopgap level left tackle that we could have found in free agency for nothing.
PS: Players between where we traded down and where we wound up picking: Otah, Talib, Sam Baker, Felix Jones, Mendenhall, Chris Johnson, Mike Jenkins. I’m not sure I’d take Brown’s career over any of those players.
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first round pick, first round money for a stopgap level left tackle
AND STEVE SLATON!
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OH YEAH!
We still have that guy! Does his one season of semi-greatness disqualify him as a bust? Dude hasn’t done a damn thing since.
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It's weird trying to judge a draft with players like Slaton.
Fred Bennett falls into that category as well. I suppose that’s why people say you should wait three years to judge a draft. But unfortunately in the case of our 2007 and 2008 drafts, players have fallen off, and nobody else has developed and improved to make up for that.
I’d say with anything past the 4th or 5th round, if you get one good (and in Slaton’s case, great) year, then the pick was worth-while. But your 1st, 2nd, 3rd-rounders… Those guys have to contribute for years to be justified. Let’s hope that Cushing doesn’t fall into the Slaton/Bennett category. He has been invisible this season.
This has coaching stamped all over it....
or lack there of,
players have fallen off, and nobody else has developed and improved to make up for that.
Just my $.02
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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 9, 2010 6:54 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
Ewwww wiffed the first contact (taking lessons from Pollard I guess), spun around wiffed the second contact, spun around again and was out of it.
Where the hell is Nolan?
Reminder: COD Black Ops 11.09.2010
Nolan can be found 10 yards behind every play just like Wilson
Only Wilson gets run over, juked, stiff armed or just flat out looks retarded on every play.
Right about here I would say “we need to draft a real FS” but making that statement exclusive to one position at this point is just insane…our entire defense is pathetic.
by leacheatsbabies on Nov 8, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
I am begining to wonder
if our scouts and coaches for secondary just suck donkey balls. In general, our secondary play has been bad to awful in the Smithiak era.
Assmass alone does not a NT make.
It's the scheme design and lack of coaching
and prep for the games that’s killing us. A good defensive coach can take average players and make things work. They don’t know how to teach techniques that help win games in the current NFL.
Reminder: COD Black Ops 11.09.2010
Was thinking the same thing
aren’t David Gibbs and Ray Rhodes supposed to be good at their jobs? Sure Bush’s system is total garbage but you’d think between the two of those guys we’d at least have a semblance of mediocrity.
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A Few Thoughts...
1. Even though he sometimes gets credit for it, Rick Smith had nothing to do with the 2006 draft class. He wasn’t hired until after the draft. Casserly, though a lame duck, was still the GM at the time of the 2006 draft.
2. Re LZ’s piece today, there are whole lot of DBs drafted by the Texans since Rick Smith rolled into town. Kareem Jackson, Antwaun Molden, Dominique Barber, Glover Quin, Brice McCain, Troy Nolan…entirely possible that the supposed difference of opinion could have been about someone other than Kareem Jackson.
3. As bad as he’s looked, I’m nowhere near ready to call Ice Kareem a bust. He’s looked awful and lost at many points during the season, but the fact remains that he’s a rookie on a historically awful defense. He has no help. Ideally, he would be playing the nickel or dime right now. Instead, the situation at CB is so dire that he’s the CB2. What does it say about McCain or Molden that neither of those guys can even sniff the field over him?
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by Tim on Nov 8, 2010 1:15 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think Kubiak
is mortally stubborn. We are seeing that with the play calling as he abandons what works after driving the field into the red zone. We are possibly seeing that with him continuing to start a rookie who is struggling. To your point, either McCain and Molden are looking worse in practice, or Kubiak / Bush are some damn stubborn people who actually have to fall off the cliff before they realize gravity works.
Reminder: COD Black Ops 11.09.2010
See also:
Brown, Chris.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 9, 2010 6:59 AM CST up reply actions
I vote for this!
Kubiak / Bush are some damn stubborn people who actually have to fall off the cliff before they realize gravity works.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
brown to LG, caldwell to C, butler at LT
and draft a REAL LT this year
first three rounds…. DT, FS, LT… in any order
and then five tight ends
Pre Snap Question
Hey guys was wondering if any of you noticed pre snap our corners are usually lined up 4-8 yds off the LOS and kinda angled toward the QB. Is there a reason we do that? Just thought it looked weird. Does that mean we are in zone?
I don’t have a huge problem with the Jackson pick as its his first year, no pass rush, no help in the secondary. Plus he has caught 2 balls Dunta would’ve dropped last year fosho. It just baffles me they expect him to be our #1 corner and not get him any help in “the year” we are supposed to make it to the playoffs. Couldn’t outbid the Jets for Cromartie? Couldn’t pony up for Scrabble? No veteran at all to help the young’ns learn? I dont know if its arrogance, stupidity, or w/e but I feel like that is the main reason why this season was lost.
Bu then again go 4-0 or 3-1 in our remaining division games and maybe we squeak in? Thats what I’m going for now. Sadly, with the talent we have on this team, that shouldn’t be what our season comes down to.
I've talked about it with people
And I have no idea what’s up with the angle thing. Does it have something to do with their lack of fluidity with their hips?
The playing off the ball thing is our bend don’t break concept, and it’s a huge disconnect with the rest of the defense.
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It was a change Gibbs made
I’m too lazy to look up any link/reference. But I remember it from training camp last year. The idea was it would be easier to turn and run with the receivers. I think we can safely call it a resounding success. barf
I will not give up on Kareem just yet he is still a rook
I think it was Texansforever who wrote the kareem Jackson god player bad decision. In that post it show some of the best or better CBs and how they struggled or saw limited action in their rookie season then began playing better after, scramble comes to mind.
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Here it is
http://www.battleredblog.com/2010/10/13/1748729/kareem-jackson-good-player-bad-decision
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by Joe25 on Nov 8, 2010 1:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's right.
I’m numb to the pain.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 9, 2010 6:59 AM CST up reply actions
He is injured
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I thought he was better
Anyways him Injured would probably be an upgrade right now.
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Yeah, he is supposedly better
His release was “a big-picture roster decision” according to McCarthy. We should at least take a look. I mean why not. We’re last in pass defense, can’t get worst than last.
Hmm
Still not sure that’s worse than what the Texans have.
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by Barryfromtexas on Nov 8, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Are we sure we can pay them better than their school does?
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by UprootedTexan on Nov 8, 2010 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
We have to pay better than UNC
U$C on the other hand pays a hell of a lot better than the Texans
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by The Night Owl on Nov 9, 2010 12:44 AM CST up reply actions
It may just be me, but...
I don’t think there is a single rookie CB who would have done better than Kareem in this system. With precisely zero safety help in coverage and our linebacking corps being mostly invisible, teams have every reason to pick on Kareem. Damn you, Frank Bush.
NFL QBs complete on average 60% of their passes… and if they decide to throw at Kareem on every play, he’s going to look bad quite a bit. Alas, that’s precisely what every QB has done so far.
Kareem will be okay. Amobi and Duane? not so much.
That can be said about a lot of LTs in the NFL
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by The Night Owl on Nov 9, 2010 12:46 AM CST up reply actions
That's what I said
Freeney isn’t a likely future hall of famer JUST because of Duane Brown. He makes most LT’s in the league look like garbage.
Again, I don’t think he’s bad. But I don’t think he’s good. He certainly isn’t trade back up into the first round good. Wait…did we trade back up into the first for him? I really can’t remember anymore…
no, we just traded back
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I remembered the trade back
But couldn’t remember if we traded back up. I think that was this years draft, actually.
Not sure Kareem can be called a bust
He is horrible at times – and has been taken advantage of when he has been. However, I noticed that Manning threw away from him on Monday night for the most part. That says a lot.
On one TD Nolan was “there” but wasn’t he was supposed to have the top and looked more like EWWW than himself on that play.
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Too early to tell.
Also, as Tim mentioned (and I can’t stress this enough): Rick Smith had absolutely nothing to do with the 2006 draft. As in, not employed by the Texans at time. If anything, the slogan should have been “In Cassiak with trust”. Or something like that. Rick Smith and Kubiak have never combined for anything better than an awful draft (something I’m trying to spread awareness about).
Anywho, we have no idea how Kareem will turn out, of course. Yes, he has been forced into a bad situation. But let’s stop trying to sugar-coat it by pointing out the one decent play he makes every week. Because it’s outweighed by the multitude of long TDs he gives up, be it on blown coverage or missed tackles.
And while I’m railing on Smithiak for awful personnel decisions, let me just reiterate how absurd it was to expect a defense with slow, inexperienced CBs to be successful with two of the worst coverage safeties in the league playing on the back-end. Whether or not Kareem was the best CB available is irrelevant in my opinion, because the CB group as a whole was doomed to be weak this season. They needed a FS, and they ignored that year after year. Now it’s going to get them all fired, and for the first time since they’ve been hired, I shan’t be defending them.
by Nashmeister on Nov 8, 2010 4:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
THIS
They needed a FS, and they ignored that year after year. Now it’s going to get them all fired, and for the first time since they’ve been hired, I shan’t be defending them.
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tutor
ND Kalu was saying this morning that having some veteran CB’s to tutor the kids would have been a good idea, ever if the vets only get 15 plays a game. Sounded like a decent idea. Then I read this:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7284875.html
Sounds like a good idea. He would be pretty cheap, I think, since he needs to prove that his knee is OK. He might take a pretty low one year deal. Who know’s, maybe he’d be a Pollard class steal for a couple years. Either way, we are well under the cap and in desperate need of help.
I'll reserve judgment on Kareem Jackson till next season
He was put in a position to fail miserably. First of all, you start him from day 1 as a rookie, putting a huge amount of pressure on a kid who you drafted possibly a full round early. You’re front 7 gets zero pressure on the QB. Then, you stack his defensive backfield with 2 of the worst coverage safeties in the league and one average corner.
THEN, every week you come out and say “we’re staying young, we’re not looking for help back there, we’re going with what we got, blahblah” and the results continue to get worst. Above all, you choose to do nothing about it even though he obviously needs to sit and you NEED a veteran out there badly.
It’s more than likely Kareem will end up being an extremely underwhelming corner, but I’ll wait until we have someone who knows how to coach and field a defense.
Anyone who says Kareem is a bust is a complete moron.
The transition from being a CB in college to being an NFL CB is very hard. All of the double moves and excellent route running from most WRs will take time to adjust to. He’s gotten beat badly, but I’m not going to push the panic button, not even think about it really. Scrabble said it perfectly when he said that it’s good for Kareem to make all of his mistakes now rather than later. It is good that he is getting burned, he learns from it. He’s only a rookie.
A perfect example of a CB who had a stellar rookie year then just sucked the next year is Fred Bennett. Fred had a good first year, but he didn’t get burned until his second year, and now he is a benchwarmer.
I’m not giving up on Kareem at all. If he was a top 10 pick, I might panic, but he was picked 20th. I’ll give him the rest of this year and some of the next before I start calling him a bust.
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by bone31crusher on Nov 8, 2010 8:27 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
all that needs to be said
Scrabble said it perfectly when he said that it’s good for Kareem to make all of his mistakes now rather than later.
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Epic fail
It is good that he is getting burned
Not when it costs us our season in the year we’re supposed to make the leap to a playoff team, and the likely firing of some coaches in the offseason. I can see throwing the kid to the fire on a defense like the Steelers, Jets, or Ravens but we’re the Texans, champions of mediocrity.
So much was riding on this season that it baffles the mind to think you can throw a kid, who’s obviously not “NFL ready”, in the starting line up for this defense and expect him not to be exploited. Kubiak can stand by his guy all he wants but he’ll likely be going down with the ship if he doesn’t do something drastic in a hurry.
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by Hydroshock on Nov 8, 2010 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you didn't finish it
It is good that he is getting burned, he learns from it. He’s only a rookie.
Dunta was not gonna come back this season the only CB<strong that the Texans tried to sign just used them and signed back with his former team. so do you think that Jacques Reeves was a better option at CB than Kareem? Do you think that current Dime CB Kyle Wilson was a better option than Kareem? the only Rookie CB thats playing better than Kareem is Devin McCourty and he just started getting better. Yes this was the year the Texans were gonna make the Jump to a playoff team, but we put Kareem into a position to fail. Without a good Cover Safety back there helping him hes on an island against NFL WRs who were all great in College.
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Reeves probably was a better option
although why no one has picked him up is beyond me
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I think that with Reeves nothing changes.
While with Kareem its a learning experience.
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I think Reeves is better then Kareem right now
and Kareem could have played nickel and looked far less atrocious
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I'm shocked they haven't called Reeves yet
“Hey Jacques? …Yeah, our bad.”
by Mike Kerns on Nov 9, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I've been saying that since week 3
it makes no sense
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Who else is starting Kareem Jackson levels of bad
at cb, and is actually(was?) in a position to contend?
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I dunno who’s starting but let’s see…..bad pass defenses on teams in playoff contention:
23: Tennessee…Douchebag is having a down season.
24: Pittsburgh….we know it’s not safety play that’s the problem.
26: Atlanta…Dunta’s their #1, nuff said.
27: Arizona (Yes, in the NFC West)…..they have NO one aside from Rogers-Cromartie at CB.
28. Jacksonville…..help needed.
29. New England…..losing Bodden should’ve forced a move.
30. Seattle…..talent needed in general.
31. Washington….they have Philip Buchanon…nuff said.
32. Houston….they went young.
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And shockingly (obligitory Falcons fan reply)
The Falcons defense has accumulated a ton of interceptions. 13 to be exact. And guess how many of those are by Dunta?
The same number he had all of last year in Houston. Even the rookie Dominique Franks has one.
YES
I think Jacques Reeves was a better option at CB than Kareem……for this season, when making the playoffs is the stated goal that our HC has gambled his career on.
You’re right, I should’ve finished the statement because “learning from it” is the most important part. With so much on the line we simply couldn’t afford to let a rookie learn on the job at such a vital position. Reeves may not have been great either but he was nowhere near this bad imo.
Fred Bennett on the other hand…..he just sucked ass.
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I think with Jacques Reeves we would have the same problems
and read this http://www.battleredblog.com/2010/10/13/1748729/kareem-jackson-good-player-bad-decision
living the Texas dream
Don't hate the player
hate the scheme. Bend but don’t break policy only works when you scatter in zone blitzes and disguise your coverages. The Texan’s D is so elementary and the pass rush is just awful. I feel sorry for Kareem. You can only cover a man for so long. If there was one pick we need more than ANYTHING, it’s a DT. After that, Cushing and Mario needs to take some notes from Clay Matthews on how to rush the QB.
Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.
Not going to harp on Kareem
I think it’s more coaching then the player. Safety help is definitely needed. As many have pointed out that both Nolan and EWWW have been out of position. I ask have they? Are they being coached and schemed to be in one position meanwhile the play is going elsewhere? I have to believe that Nolan is faster than EWWW, but after not being on the deep route I begin to wonder why!? Play call? Scheme? Poor coaching?
VAnumba80 earlier asked why our corners seem to angle themselves toward the QB at pre-snap. For them to be able to turn and run with a receiver was given as the reason and was coached this way by David Gibbs. Piss poor technique really. CB angled one way with the receiver square and balanced. They can go either way meanwhile the CB isn’t squared up and will have to stop and turn, then go again. Or the CB doesn’t stop and turns mid run and have then run themselves away from an out route.
Another point on coaching is why haven’t we been able to develop a damn corner yet? Aside from GQ who has shown anything? Bennett went to shit. Reeves’ neck doesn’t work. Hell, at least Dunta was in the area to make the PI penalty. I guess that’s something.
I have another question: Why isn’t Molden out there? I’ve seen him and heard his name on ST, but not on defense. At least he has the speed and acceleration to keep up with receivers.
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by HoustonTransplant on Nov 9, 2010 1:47 AM CST reply actions
Nolan is not faster than EW.
4.63 40-time. That’s LB-slow.
I know it’s fun to blame the coaches for everything, but our safeties are truly atrocious; it’s got nothing to do with Kubiak/Frank Bush. Which should come as no surprise, since they’re all sixth-round picks or free agents they picked up off the street.
From what I’ve seen of Kareem, he is getting better. It’s hard to see improvement because of the scheme and other weaknesses on the team (Safety), he’s looking to make plays and I like that, he has his eye’s on the QB, he’s beginning to get in the right position, he’s learning when to let help over the top cover him. His pick sunday was him trusting his instincts, our sack on Manning last week was his coverage giving us time. I think as the season goes on we see him get more picks, and yes i know he’s giving up big plays and chunks of yards, I’ll take that if he starts making plays on the ball. He’s not going to be a passable CB, he’s going to be good, did we not complain that Jaques Reeves didn’t get his head around last year that he didn’t make plays on the ball? That’s exactly what Jackson IS doing. That’s brave as a rookie corner, a little bit reckless, definately a bit stupid, but tell me you don’t want someone out there trying to get the ball back to Schaub, Foster and Dre? We have 5 picks so far and 2 of them belong to Ice, by the end of the season he has 5, minimum and is looking like a guy who makes plays.
Rookie corners SHOULD NOT START in the NFL.
The speed of the game going from College to NFL is the most difficult adjust ment at QB AND CORNERBACK. Any coach with half a brain drafts a rookie CB to LEARN for the first year and only play them in limited man coverage and/or dime/nickel.
Good player. BAD decision. The Kareem Jackson Story.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU
any of you watching MNF last night
and seeing the speed and penetration of the pass rush from both teams chasing down the Rapist and Palmer and thinking:
MAN, I wish we could do that!
MAN, I wish we could do that!
MAN, I wish we could do that!
MAN, I wish we could do that!
…all night?
That would go a hell of a long way to helping out Kareem.
*INSERT any activity on grass*......and Kareem Jackson will fall down
"MAN, I wish we could do that!"
That’s me watching every other team hit every single jumper against the Rockets this season…

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