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Post-Game Breakdown: Texans Stage Improbable Comeback, Then Fail In Totally Probable Fashion On Monday Night Football

To any other fanbase, last night's overtime loss to the Ravens would qualify as an outlier. Storming back from 21 points down to force overtime, only to lose in gut-wrenching fashion on a pick-six? That's the kind of stuff that doesn't happen every week. To most teams, anyway.

To the 2010 Houston Texans and their fans? Just another Sunday Monday night at the office. Join me after the jump as I wax philosophical about last night's experience at Reliant Stadium.

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1. Line Of The Season Thus Far: My buddy Neil, at LoneSpot's typically fantastic tailgate, as the roof begins to close due to the absurd 50/80 rule: "Looks like it's gonna be a closed casket funeral tonight, boys."

2. Due to another friend's connections, I was able to get down on the field during pre-game warmups. Aside from the constant reminder that NFL players are not of this planet (e.g., Andre Johnson's calves are bigger than my thighs), the thing that really stuck out to me was John Harbaugh. When he ran onto the field during warmups, he was clapping, waving to the Ravens fans who were calling his name, and just generally looked like he would not rather be anywhere else in the world. As he left the field to go to the locker room when warmups ended, Harbaugh was smiling and told the Ravens and Texans fans who were standing by the tunnel, "Enjoy this!" That really resonated with me, particularly because you rarely (never?) see Gary Kubiak express that kind of positive emotion. That's not to say Harbaugh's way is right and Kubes' way is wrong; it's simply a contrast that stuck with me.

3. We can all say a whole lot of negative things about the Texans, but say this: They never quit. Ever. It would've been easy (and despicable) for them to fold, especially after David Reed's 103 yard kickoff return to open the second half. They didn't. They kept playing. They fought. That's commendable.

4. Then again, what does it say about the state of professional sports that we commend athletes for doing what they're paid to do? "Hey, fellas...way to not roll over! Way to earn that paycheck! Way to play to the final whistle! Way to do what we tell every amateur athlete to do! Way to not be the Dallas Cowboys (or Tennessee Titans, or Minnesota Vikings, or whatever team you want to cite for quitting on their season and/or coach)!"

5. Absurdity of the thanks-for-not-quitting mindset aside, it is refreshing to support a team that fights to the end. Sure, they may not actually start fighting until the second half, but you get what I'm saying.

6. I don't know that I remember a game where the Texans had so many catchable balls dropped. Owen Daniels and Jacoby Jones were repeat offenders, though each had huge receptions in the second half that made the comeback possible.

7. Given the game-ending interception Matt Schaub threw last night, I've noticed a few people have taken to focusing their heat on him. While Schaub did make the decision/play that ended the game, the Texans wouldn't have been in the position to win the game without him. Matt Schaub is not on the Tom Brady/Peyton Manning/Drew Brees level of NFL QBs. He's on the level below that. And that's plenty good enough to win games in the NFL. For all of Schaub's issues (e.g., the tendency to underthrow deep routes, the virtually guaranteed terrible throw/interception or two each game, etc.), he is not even on the list, much less high on the list, of things that are wrong with the Houston Texans. Even on an off night that saw him complete only 50% of his passes, Matt Schaub brought his team back from 21 points down against a playoff team. That's pretty strong medicine. Not enshrine-him-in-Canton material, but significantly better than the team's 5-8 record would indicate.

8. I was continually amazed at how much time Schaub had to throw last night. The offensive line may have had its best day/night of the year in pass protection.

9. One of these days, the heavens will open (God will probably have to open the roof at Reliant as well, because you know it'll be closed), and Andre Johnson will ascend to his rightful place at the right hand of God. If you deem that sacrilege, I deem you a heretic.

10. 2010 Arian Foster makes me totally forget about 2008 Steve Slaton. Oddly, I can't erase 2003 Stacey Mack from my memory banks, even with generous helpings of whiskey and paint thinner.

11. I've quietly stewed about the Texans' lackluster special teams play for weeks, but it was never more evident than last night. I can't remember the last big return the Texans sprung, and for reasons beyond my understanding, Steve Slaton is returning kicks again. And the coverage on kickoffs? Abysmal. Although the ongoing train wreck that has been the Texans' defense has spared Joe Marciano from much heat, that's an area the organization has to address in the offseason.

12. The Houston defense yielded a total of 21 points last night. The Houston defense did not surrender a single point in the second half. The Houston defense continually forced Baltimore to punt in the second half, allowing the offense to make up a 21 point deficit. The Houston defense turned in its third quality effort (the others being Indianapolis in Week One and Tennessee in Week 12) of the season. Bravo.

13. Every time he catches a pass, I'm struck anew at how underutilized David Anderson is.

14. Mark Anderson is Houston's third-best defensive lineman, behind only Mario Williams and Antonio Smith.

15. Speaking of Super Mario, he missed some snaps late with that sports hernia. Given what he's played through in the past, I can't even imagine how painful that must have been.

16. The post-game thread got fairly incendiary, and a big reason why seemed to be the notion that this community has gotten too critical of the team and coaching staff (except Frank Bush, who even the stop-all-the-negativity crowd seems to think deserves the vitriol he gets). While I can appreciate the observation that many fans repeating the same complaints can give the appearance of everyone trying to shout over each other, I'd suggest that the perceived negativity is simply the natural result of extreme disappointment with how the season has gone. 2010 was supposed to be the year the Texans finally broke through. That very clearly is not happening. After 13 games, the Texans are 5-8. Yes, they could win their last three games to clinch their fourth straight non-losing season (the Texans' PR Department is welcome to lift that gem if they so desire), but that isn't and shouldn't be good enough. People have every right to be mad about something they put so much time and/or money into not producing. A lack of positivity does not make someone a lesser fan, and expressing that disappointment in this forum is perfectly reasonable, provided they adhere to our singular policy of not personally attacking other members of the community.

17. We'll have plenty of time to discuss whether Gary Kubiak will be back next season in the coming weeks, but I'll go on record and state that barring a finish of 6-10 or worse, I think Kubes is back for another year, albeit with a new defensive coordinator. Ultimately, I think the offense's sustained excellence and the players' affection for Kubes will be enough for Bob McNair to convince himself that one more run is in order.

On to Nashville for another AFC South showdown. If nothing else, root for the Texans to sweep the season series against Bud Adams for the first second time in franchise history.

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BE-SF sweep

was 2004

I like our chances for the second time in franchise history though. If not, I predict it will be a heartbreaker.

"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK

by texanphil on Dec 14, 2010 11:50 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Predicting a heartbreaker, eh?

At this point, I’m pretty sure you’d get bad odds on that bet.

by Nashmeister on Dec 15, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

That's what BFD did yesterday.

And I still hate him for it.

/raises his fist angrily at BFD

"Eff you mothereffer!"

-Bernard Pollard-

by Jordann on Dec 15, 2010 1:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Good Catch, Phil

I’ve fixed it. Many thanks.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Dec 15, 2010 8:11 AM CST up reply actions  

the only texans games I've been to

have been in Nashvegas.

And they were all under the Carr administration.

I need tickets this weekend, if anyone’s got any… if only for an excuse to get out of the house this weekend.

"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK

by texanphil on Dec 17, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

yea, i really want to fuck-stomp the BESF's sunday.

i loathe them with the passionate heat of a thousand suns.

Some people say "If you can't beat them, join them". I say "If you can't beat them, beat them", because they will be expecting you to join them, so you will have the element of surprise.
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by Kiratomi on Dec 14, 2010 11:51 PM CST reply actions  

BUT YOU CAN'T BEAT VINCE YOUNG!!!!1

Oh, wait a second…

[enter some witty remark here]

by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 15, 2010 3:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Vince Young

Can only beat himself with his firey intensity. Fact.

Frank Bush delenda est

by JimboTexan on Dec 15, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Vince gives this post a big thumbs up....

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

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by Rip Jersey on Dec 15, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

RE: Point 2 Kube vs. Opposing Team Coach(s)

Piece well written, thank you. I agree with you on your observation, but slightly disagree with the assesment of “right or wrong”.

I feel as if Kube’s lack of “Swag” is I how I beleive the term is used, is a great disadvantage to the team. I agree with most folks on the fact that Kubiak is only about 1/4 of the problem with our team (clock management, clutch-time play calls, etc..). the remaining three quarters can be arguably decided amongst the natives. My guess is that of said 75%, 74 should be put on Bush and his Coaching Minions.

But back to Kube, if the players love him so much and will do anything for him, as has been suggested, wouldn’t a litte optomistic fire and emotion FROM him benefit the boys to maybe wake up some in the first half for once? If nothing else, let us (the TV audience) see him get fired up. I’m not sure how much the teams have to say in regards to the media coverage (TV Time) but the Texans seem to have much less sideline coverage than to most teams. When I watch other games and something is critical (in any of the three facets of the game) The cam seems to pan to the coordinator in charge of that situation. I think I’ve seen Bush on cam twice this entire season. Yes, I do know that he’s been in the booth mostly up till now, but even with booth coaches on other teams, these guys still get a good bit of face time.

Some folks may be asking so how does that relate? It relates because when we the poor huddled masses actually see a guys face when something goes Tits-Up we have a person that we can focus on in other than a by name basis. I’ll admit I have never been fortunate enough to get to go to a game. So my following statement my be true or not. But, I would think especially if they do this at the stadium on the jumbo-tron, the booing or cheering would assist the persons in charge who are at the game as well in their fortified panic rooms (luxury boxes), if nothing else, think a little bit harder as to personnel (staff, not always players) acqusitions and changes as needed.

 I mean the whole “It’s my fault” explanation is getting a little old with most of us I think. I do beleive that it’s being responsible and I commend for those actions. But it’s far from being accountable. And when in dire straits accountability is required as well. Just my thoughts. Thanks!

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by DTango on Dec 15, 2010 12:52 AM CST reply actions  

It's kind of hard to measure Kubiak's emotions

Because he really don’t show as much as the regular NFL HC does. But he must have some epic half-time speeches for his team to furiously come back from a 21 point deficit.

"Eff you mothereffer!"

-Bernard Pollard-

by Jordann on Dec 15, 2010 1:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he needs to start wearing a fedora and coat and tie

He pretty much emulates Landry’s sideline demeanor

I believe that the Texans need to score 40 points in every game to be competetive because of efense.

by Barryfromtexas on Dec 15, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Tom Landry

never read from the Denny’s menu after his team gave up a predictable big play.

by clarky1661 on Dec 15, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

No, Tom Landry typically carried a clipboard...

…and my most vivid memory of him was the impression he made on me in the playoff game against Atlanta in Atlanta when they were getting their a** handed to them. They had just given up a big play and I looked over to where he was on the sidelines. He wasn’t yelling or waving… He was looking down at his clipboard deciding what to do next.

But when you’ve flown B-17 in missions over Nazi Germany… adversity in a football game isn’t really going to blow your skirt up much.

"velocitas eradico"

by DilloTex on Dec 15, 2010 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

The only time I've seen Kubiak get fired up

Is when there is a blatant penalty against us that goes uncalled. The camera has panned over to him a few times where he’s actually yelling at the officials. But other than that his expression rarely ever changes.

Personally, I like the Rex Ryan, John Harbaugh type of coaches. I want to see them high-fiving players when they make a great play, or running down the sideline and fist pumping like Gruden.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Dec 15, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Finally!

I would like to see our coach get up in the grill of a player who fucked up. As if he actually cares about what’s going on. Make no mistake about it and I love Owen Daniels, but he flat out dropped a couple of perfectly catchable passes this last game. I would like to see Kube’s get up in his face and tell him how bad that was. And clearly it’s pipe dream at this point but, it would not be bad for Bush to hammer down on the boys for piss poor tackling on screen.

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by DTango on Dec 18, 2010 12:34 AM CST up reply actions  

This deserves a fanpost of it's own.

Great job breaking it down. Rec’d.

"Eff you mothereffer!"

-Bernard Pollard-

by Jordann on Dec 15, 2010 1:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree that this should/could be a great post in and of itself.

Great observations

George H Bush says. " Those guys running out with flags looks gay."

I believe that the Texans need to score 40 points in every game to be competetive because of efense.

by Barryfromtexas on Dec 15, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Great summary! / Breakdown!

I agree with most of what you have written. I think I am moving forward in the different stages of grief—almost to “acceptance.”

I guess there is another observation that should be surfaced. In the second half comeback, the Texans were doing it with 4 downs. When they didn’t convert 3rd downs, punting was out of the question. The second half comeback would not have been possible in the 1st half or even 3rd quarter because we would have punted on 4th down. One way to keep a weak defense off the field is never punt. This is not a viable long term strategy, and this is not an indication of how strong the offense is on an ongoing basis.

We talk about how strong our offense is, but that makes it even more frustrating to see us go 3 and out time after time in the 1st half. Sometimes our offense is truly anemic, and it gets overlooked because of our heroic 2nd half comebacks—you know… where we use all 4 downs and don’t punt.

We started the season 4 and 2. Since then we have gone 1 and 6. That is a “bad” team. It doesn’t matter that the games were “close.” I think losing DeMeco Ryans really hurt us. Other than Cushing, I really don’t think any of our other linebackers are worth a crap. Maybe Sharpton will eventually amount to something… I don’t know.

If our best offense is our 4-down offense, why not just employ it at the beginning of a game? NO PUNTING!

by gosk ruyerself on Dec 15, 2010 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

My postgame thoughts:

Poop.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 15, 2010 2:56 AM CST reply actions  

let me just add

Jesus Pony Poop!

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

Send Vonta Leach to the Beach! http://www.nfl.com/probowl/ballot?

by Rip Jersey on Dec 15, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Dre's tippy toe was simply Dre'mazing..

Schaub was the best quarterback in football while engineering the 99 and 95 yard drives. I felt so bad for Schaub on the pick 6, he must be thinking ’Damn it was #7 that kicked the puppies not me football gods, not me"

All this pain and agony that the Texans put themselves and their fans through will payoff I just know it.

GO TEXANS!!!!

Our time will come...

by Texanmaniac on Dec 15, 2010 5:10 AM CST reply actions  

Those drives

Were the best I’ve seen Schaub play, imo. He’s had other moments (against GB a few years ago, against the Skins and Chiefs this year) but for some reason his fourth quarter against the Ravens stands out as the best.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 15, 2010 5:51 AM CST up reply actions  

It seems odd to me

That Schaub seems to be getting most of the blame for the last INT… It’s true it wasn’t the greatest of throws but as far as the decision to throw it, he didn’t really have a choice. Hold on to the ball longer and risk a sack, throw the ball away and risk an intentional grounding or the same INT he did throw because he wasn’t able to step into the throw and really drive the ball anywhere… He decided to throw the ball to the closest receiver and give him a chance to make a play on the ball (which he didn’t)… The decision, while not “good”, was about the only option he had left.

The blame really goes everywhere. It wasn’t a good play call for the defense the Ravens called, the protection wasn’t good, the throw wasn’t the most accurate in the world… but the fudge up that glued it all together was Jacoby Jones not even trying to make a play on the ball which probably would have at least broken the pass up giving the offense one more down to get 10 yards or at the least punt the ball away and pray the defense could get another stop.

by Bryan72076 on Dec 15, 2010 6:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Aramark needs to get its act together

For the second home game in a row, you go to the bar for a beer and expect to watch the Texan game as you are waiting for service. And what do you see on TV, the New York Giants vs Vikings game! C’mon man

MrMr

by mjmtx18 on Dec 15, 2010 7:40 AM CST reply actions  

On Monday night, no less.

Das messed up.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 15, 2010 8:20 AM CST up reply actions  

The Favre show

I believe that the Texans need to score 40 points in every game to be competetive because of efense.

by Barryfromtexas on Dec 15, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Mr. Anderson is my man. (obvious Matrix reference is obvious)

Seriously DA is the bomb, BEST HANDS ON OUR TEAM, no offense to Demi-God Andre Johnson, Andre is just a beast.

We should strive to live like the moon. Vibrant, not as our own light, but as the carriers of something greater than us. - Arian Foster

by Schlauton on Dec 15, 2010 8:59 AM CST reply actions  

I meant to say David Anderson is just a beast.

It’s hard to avoid not thinking about Andre Johnson.

We should strive to live like the moon. Vibrant, not as our own light, but as the carriers of something greater than us. - Arian Foster

by Schlauton on Dec 15, 2010 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

My english is horrible today.

It’s hard to avoid thinking about Andre Johnson.

We should strive to live like the moon. Vibrant, not as our own light, but as the carriers of something greater than us. - Arian Foster

by Schlauton on Dec 15, 2010 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

David Anderson is an injured beast

Anyone hear how he’s doing?

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

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by Rip Jersey on Dec 15, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

An observation about the threads Monday night

While I expected the rants and typical negativity – I saw some that were like cockroaches that had not shown up for some time just to bash.

What I did notice, is that a lot of people did notice that there were good things about he game. If nothing else, it was damned entertaining.

Your assessment is good – and telling. I still say that the team is missing a true analyst – and that may be costing the team. Maybe some on the staff are tasked with analysis, maybe they contract it out.

I believe that the Texans need to score 40 points in every game to be competetive because of efense.

by Barryfromtexas on Dec 15, 2010 10:54 AM CST reply actions  

Calling people cockroaches is a little harsh...

I don’t mean this as an attack, but you’re not the hall monitor, and you’re not Tony Montana. If people want to complain, they should be able to- but complaining about people complaining seems counterproductive.

This team may be moral-victories-aplenty, but that doesn’t mean the fanbase should be all sunshine and lollipops about it. Football is a business, fans are the clients.

by pattymcgee on Dec 15, 2010 1:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Let me be the first

To complain about people who complain about people who complain about people who complain.

by Bryan72076 on Dec 15, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

And bravo to you, sir

As a citizen of the interwebz, you are ultimately free to do so!

by pattymcgee on Dec 15, 2010 1:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Reading what Barry said...

…and having seen REAL name-calling done around here, I would point out that describing a pattern of behavior as cockroach-esque (as in the phrase “…LIKE cockroaches”…) is very different from saying “You whiny cockroach, it doesn’t take any particular skill to complain. Do you THINK that we can’t all see the bad stuff? How about trying to pull something positive from the cesspool of a season that we’ve been handed?”

See the difference?

"velocitas eradico"

by DilloTex on Dec 15, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

How many screen names do you have, BARRY?

What’s the deal? I just made a comment under the premise that, unless I’m mistaken, this site is an open forum, and people should feel free to come on here and vent if they are so inclined.

If you don’t want to read about the problems with the team, just ignore those comments. No need to call out a certain demographic for “breach of protocol.”

by pattymcgee on Dec 15, 2010 5:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

So if I'm interpreting what you are saying correctly...

It’s okay, nay a RIGHT, for anyone to come on here and say ANYTHING… as long as it is what YOU want to hear?

To point back to Bryan862839038’s comment, there is no small irony here with YOU complaining about others complaining about others complaining.

So to simplify this for you… It is okay for you to complain about what WE say, but NOT OKAY for US to complain about what THEY say?

"velocitas eradico"

by DilloTex on Dec 15, 2010 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Man seriously, you need to relax. We're all fans.

Some have a different perspective. Hear it out or just move on is all I’m saying. But keep the focus on football!

This was a good post and I was enjoying reading the comments until that one attempted to take the focus off of football, so I said something about it (to that person only). I don’t know why you’re jumping to this random other blogger’s defense, when he hasn’t even weighed in on my comment.

I’m a reader first, blogger second. My point is that that person’s comment seemed completely unnecessary and diverted the attention from where I think we can all agree it should be- on football.

by pattymcgee on Dec 15, 2010 6:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I only have one screen name not just here but pretty much everywhere

First of all – I did make a comment about football – I guess my statement that contained “like cockroaches” takes the focus away from football so much it was missed. No one even responded to that part.

I was simply Commenting about the thread – Not unlike your comments.
which is all good as this is a discourse about football. Besides we have discussed all sorts of things from Back to the Future, to what people like to eat.

Just so it is clear, I do not mind anyone complaining, I have made many complaints about the team, players, coaching,etc myself, What I did was make an observation – nothing more or less.

I believe that the Texans need to score 40 points in every game to be competetive because of efense.

by Barryfromtexas on Dec 16, 2010 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh come on, everyone's a politician now...

I understand where you’re coming from, I really do (despite others who may suggest that I lack a standard 1st grade reading comprehension level)- but please don’t act like your observation was completely benign.

Every thought, every phrase has a purpose. It seemed to me that your intent was to suggest what is proper etiquette on an open forum. It read as though you were saying, “If we, the marshalls of the game thread, do not recognize you as being a frequent commenter, you aren’t welcome to come complain here.”

Again, I understand how that might be annoying to someone who spends a lot of time on here, but I feel that people “policing the internet” is probably how Stampede Blue came to be.

by pattymcgee on Dec 17, 2010 1:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Okay, lets take a pause, shake hands and all be friends

We’re all fans of the Texans and it isn’t easy to state opinions in perfect English every time that is guaranteed not to offend someone. Let’s just put it behind us, can we?

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

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by Rip Jersey on Dec 17, 2010 8:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Aww man,

I was enjoying whistle-blowing…

I’m over it though… Guess I needed something to be excited about

by pattymcgee on Dec 17, 2010 9:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

OK -

I am trying my best to avoid the set-up :)

I believe that the Texans need to score 40 points in every game to be competetive because of efense.

by Barryfromtexas on Dec 17, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

# 14

Makes me and Shaun Cody sad.

Frank Bush delenda est

by JimboTexan on Dec 15, 2010 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

Amen

to # 9 and 13 especially. Where the hell has David Anderson been all season?

by JBal on Dec 15, 2010 3:08 PM CST reply actions  

Dunno, but I know where he's going to be the rest of the season...

IR!

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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 15, 2010 9:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

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