Bob McNair Says He'll "Make Some Changes," But Is Gary Kubiak One of Them?
This spot was supposed to be reserved for this week's edition of Luv Ya Steel Blue, but Aaron apparently still depends on AT&T for his access to the internet and that usually doesn't end well. So look for that this weekend.
For now, let's take a look at some of the quotes that Bob McNair threw out to the media yesterday concerning the team's immediate future. They've gotten fans vocal in one way or another, so why should we be any different?
It all begins after the jump.
While at the Monday Night game, I checked my Twitter feed at halftime and everyone was calling for Gary Kubiak to be fired at halftime and it was hard to argue. Another slow start and a touchdown against a zone defense found them down 14 at the half. Then, the kickoff return for a touchdown on the first play of the third quarter found them back down three touchdowns. I even texted MDC and told him that these was the loudest boos I had heard in Reliant Stadium since David Carr was behind center. A weak "Fire Kubiak" chant was even trying to get started.
But then, what happens? The almost routine Texans second half comeback. I won't lie; it was exciting as hell for the 1/3 of us fans who actually stayed to see it all. The end result was the same, of course; another notch in the loss column. In the back of my mind, I already knew that we would hear the usual Bob McNair rhetoric about how the team was in that game until the end and is showing the right progress and they're "close." Well, not that this was a Nostradamus-like prediction, but I was right.
At the NFL owners meeting in Dallas, McNair said he was given plenty of positive feedback and support from the other owners about how impressed they were with the teams comeback on Monday Night. So, Bob shared it with the team and then the media:
"I wanted the team to know not only how close we think they are but how close our competitors think they are to being an outstanding team. The level of respect they have for our team and how close they think we are to having not just a good team but an outstanding team, it was nice to hear your peer group say that about you. It’s sort of an affirmation that we’re on the right track. Clearly, we have to do better, because what we’ve done wasn’t good enough. But we’re on the right track, and I’ve felt that way all along."
That doesn't sound like a guy who is ready to clean house on the coaching staff. Honestly, what were the other owners going to say to you, Bob? "You guys are f'n garbage?" It's called being patronized. One would think that a guy who has been so successful in the business world would understand this. And these guys are your competition. The last thing they want you to do is improve. Yet, McNair went on:
"I was sort of overwhelmed by the comments our competitors had to say about our team. That’s never happened. I was shocked. They said it was one of the most impressive comebacks they’d ever seen. Frankly, they were all pulling for us after the way we came back. They were heartbroken because they knew how upset I was. You don’t see it happening with other teams. I was amazed by it."
/facepalm
When asked about potential changes to the team in the offseason, he shared this little nugget that's getting all the press right now.
"We’ll review everything at the end of the year. Will we make some changes? I’m sure we’ll make some changes; we’ll see some things that need to be improved. We’re very close to having the kind of team I think we can all be proud of, but we have to keep working hard to push it over the top."
Ladies and gentlemen, your head coach for the 2011 Houston Texans: Gary Kubiak.
Tim and I have been talking all season that Frank Bush is going to be the sacrificial lamb and Kubiak would be given another year, regardless of whether the new Collective Bargaining Agreement is reached or not. Alan Burge even called it back in November. If there weren't great coaching candidates out there right now, I think most would probably accept that. Don't get me wrong--a good number of people want Kubes gone at all costs. I'm obviously one of them. But if a new defensive coordinator was hired by someone other than Gary Kubiak, who has struck out twice now, then a good number of fans would be in favor of the move.
Personally, I think McNair is drinking from JaMarcus Russell's cup of purple drank. There is absolutely no reason to keep Gary Kubiak for another season. Some of you can call me an anti-fan all you want (which is getting really old by the way. I haven't missed a game in 9 seasons and I've been a season ticket holder since day one. Quit questioning my fandom). In a results-oriented business, five years is more than enough time to prove yourself. A 5-8 football team is NOT on the right track. I don't care if you lost every game by one point. You still lost. And in the end, that's all that matters.
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McNair brings in a good, experienced DC, as a “coach in waiting”. It would make the job more interesting for guys like Sean McDermott or Perry Fewel, if they don’t get HC jobs this offseason.
by jxjx on Dec 17, 2010 8:15 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I can insist all I want and it won't make it so, but....
The new DC needs to be someone outside of the Kubiak-experience circle. It needs to be someone with new ideas, who will turn the defense into a force and not a wimpy excuse-machine.
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What do I read into those comments?
Same Old, Same Old….. get used to mediocre
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and by the way, Mike Kerns
It’s nice to see the roofy has worn off and you’ve woken from your extended period of indifference. I can see you really do give a bleep.
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LOL, I KNEW you would say this
I’m still indifferent in my reaction to last minute losses. I shake my head and I’m done. But to say I have no emotional investment in the team would be a lie. Especially when I keep buying tickets that go up in price every year for the same shitty product.
If I were a competing business
and the other business has the potential to be great but doesn’t have the right pieces in place, I would tell the owner they were doing a great job, are on the right track and to not change anything also. Wake up McNair, why would they want you to change anything when you’re sitting there at 5-8?
by UHdustin on Dec 17, 2010 8:29 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Good point
I’d also kinda like to hear which owner said these things to him. I better not find out it was Al Davis
by pattymcgee on Dec 17, 2010 8:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
One guy who is the ultimate gladhander.....wouldn't doubt it if we found out it was Jerrah Jones
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as they were counting their victories marching towards the playoffs.....
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Well phooey
Since these comments certainly don’t make it sound as though he’s ready to mix things up much in the coaching staff, maybe at the very least we can get a new announcer at Reliant.
Hopefully this will be someone who, at a minimum, knows the player names and has even a mediocre competency of football. The current one seems to have caught a raging case of Grudenitis.
I’m sure he’ll just end up changing the color of the uniforms the gay flag wavers wear though.
by pattymcgee on Dec 17, 2010 8:40 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I know the guys in my industry
and we get together as friends who network with each other regularly. After a killer year of blowing out my sales numbers (to their misfortune and loss as competitors), I usually pick up the bar tab and tell them; “you guys are on the right track and keep up the great work!”
How many of these NFL owners really want to see the Texans in the playoffs? They would love for us to keep between 5 and 8 wins a year to stay out of the playoffs and in the middle of the draft.
How many of these owners really watched the MNF game? How many continued to watch after half time? I can’t imagine them sitting around watching this game. I think Bob was dooped by his peers.
Uncomfortably numb......thanks to the Texans
Me too.
I can’t shake this feeling that our owner is the guy who, when he leaves the room to take a leak, the other guys are dropping loogies in his coffee.
by pattymcgee on Dec 17, 2010 8:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
McNair's Comments Are Disappointing
Yet totally predictable. I get the logic of keeping Kubes and all, but man…I cannot fathom another owner employing a head coach for six years who’s never made the playoffs and has only had one winning season, barring some sort of very unique circumstances (e.g., franchise moving to a new city).
Silver lining: With his refusal to fire his underachieving head coach, McNair is making the Texans’ head coaching gig the most attractive job in the entire NFL.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
How many coaches have been able to be as consistently mediocre?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Jeff Fisher
but he got to the playoffs in his 6th year
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Wasn't that after the team moved?
I only ask because maybe Houston really is cursed.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I've been saying it
some bitch is sitting in the basement of the astrodome with a voodoo doll.
Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.
Knock it down!!!
Expand our room for more tailgating
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by The Night Owl on Dec 17, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
My handywork, thank you very much
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you mean you esploded it?
We should strive to live like the moon. Vibrant, not as our own light, but as the carriers of something greater than us. - Arian Foster
I give myself a little credit on that one, yes
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He went 8-8
2 times in Tennessee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Fisher#Head_coaching_record
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
What kind of owner is Bob McNair?
Is McNair naive or is he shrewd?
Does McNair listen to others and act on what they say or does he listen and then use what they tell him to plot against them?
Is McNair happy towing the line and giving the fans mediocrity or is he serious about winning?
Is McNair sleeping on the job or is he charging out of his corner fighting mad?
Is McNair personally too close to his employees or is he able to shake that hand and show some the door that needs to be shown the door?
Does McNair listen to other owners or does he listen to the fans?
Does McNair have a business plan to win or does he have a business plan to stay profitable?
I could go on, but you get the point…..
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You don't get to be a billionaire by being naive
So my guess would be shrewd
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I was on the Fire Kubiak bandwagon
I’d lost confidence in him and wanted him fired. But right now, I don’t mind if he comes back, provided we get a REAL defensive coordinator in here. I don’t know why I’ve changed my mind, maybe its just that I know he’ll be back, maybe its that I don’t want our offense to take a step backward. I don’t know, but a a good DC is a MUST for this organization.
I’m in the same boat as you. My biggest problem with Kubiak is I don’t think he knows how to get the team fired up and ready to play. That’s why we have the slow starts week in and week out. And thats what they should look for in a DC. Someone who can use the pieces that are already in place, and get the team motivated on both sides of the ball. The last thing we need is to bring in a new system that would require new players. That would set us back for at least two seasons.
I can't say I'm surprised.
It’s vintage McNair stay the courseism. It’s why he and Kubiak get along so well.
Frank Bush delenda est
I've been saying all along this season...
Kubiak and the Texans will do just enough to keep Bob thinking,,,“we are so close, to being that special team”
As fans of the Texans we must embrace mediocrity, because this is who the Texans are and they always will be until Kubiak is gone.
It’s like golf, it sucks really bad and I hate it, then I hit that one sweet shot and I’m hooked again…..(to be honest I haven’t played golf since my now 14 year old daughter was an infant, but that’s how I felt then)
The Texans can be so disheartening that trolls and haters can’t even make up stuff to bash us fans anymore, because we bash the team so bad for the crap they put us through.
I think Kubiak will deliver us some playoff appearances at some point, but we will still be mediocre.
But I aint leaving….GO TEXANS!!!
GO TEXANS!!!!
Our time will come...
damn you, bandwagon-driver!!!
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BTW
I know exactly what you are saying about those infrequent sweet shots in golf. That is the only thing that keeps me going back out there….well, not to mention the sponsored golf tournaments that people keep offering…. It’s been years since my back hurt that much during Golftober!
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I think part of the reason I feel this way..
is because my high school, was just like this, always made things interesting, but never could get it done in anything, and it’s still that way, and to make matters worse our cross county rivals the Coldspring Trojans are state bound in football, it’s the equivalent of the cowgals going to the superbowl and the Houston teams never getting there.
GO TEXANS!!!!
Our time will come...
as long as Bush is fired
on Jan. 3rd and someone worth a shit is hired by the end of the month, I will be ok for another year. I’d like to see how the team could do with even a mediocre defense. If it doesn’t make the playoffs with an improved defense, then thats the end of the line for my bandwagon.
Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.
We can always hope he gets fired earlier
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by The Night Owl on Dec 17, 2010 9:07 AM CST up reply actions
What about Bob
Maybe Bob McNair is just taking this moment to make his tried and true, tested statements to see what the temperature of the fans is. Maybe, BRB is his answer-machine. Hear me out. McNair, behind closed doors, gets with his confidantes and devises a plan of action.
Bob: “Guys, I need some guidance on this. I am lost!”
Confidante #1: “Well, we have to be consistent and make it look like you can’t make decisions.”
Confidante #2: You ARE too close to the coaches."
Bob: “It would hurt their feelings if I just came down on them and fired them. My feelings would be hurt, too.”
Confidante #1: “We have to make it look like you have no choice.”
Confidante #2: “I know! Let’s prepare the usual statement. Bring the other owners into it!”
Confidante #1: “Yes, we need to elevate fan anger somehow!”
Bob: “But we just lost a game after a21 point deficit comeback, in OT! How can we anger them more?”
Confidante #2: “Wait! The other owners think what you are doing is swell!”
Confidante #1: “Right! Tell them that. The fans will react. The fans will tell you what to do!”
Bob: “You mean, I will have no choice but to listen to the fans and fire the coaching staff?”
Confidante #2: “BINGO!”
Bob: “Hahaha! For a minute there, I thought you were serious….”
Confidante #1: “Tow the line?”
Confidante #2: “Yeh…. just because the BRBers think it, that can’t persuade us.”
Bob: “Okay, set the press conference up. I need to practice my down-home Texas sincerity.”
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Really honest
Bush doesn’t have the intelligence to come up with clever lies
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by The Night Owl on Dec 17, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
hyperbole & politics....yay!
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
by Shake on Dec 17, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Please no politics.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
There was nothing political about my comment
Nobody I was referring to is in public office, so I don’t see a problem with what I said. If I call Mel Gibson a racist it has nothing to do with acting.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
News flash
George Bush has returned Bob’s campaign contribution….
…..and wasn’t George a former sports team owner? could be some good advise coming from that mind.
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I think it was Jr. that was co-owner of the Rangers
And that was a train wreck, much like every one of his other business adventures.
Sr. was all about trading oil with the Saudis and that made him one of the wealthiest men in the world, so that does give his business advise substantial weight. Still, Uncle Bob is a self made billionaire so I don’t think he needs it. If I were him I’d be looking for input from someone like Mark Cuban.
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Covering their own butt...
Of course the other owners are gonna say that. Everybody knows that the Texans can match any team in the NFL when it comes to talent in the skill positions. What the team is lacking is motivation from the coaching staff. With that said, the other owners have to know that if the head coaching position were to open up in Houston, they would stand a very real possibilty of losing either a head coach, or a very valuable coordinator. So of course you would try to convince the guy that his team is doing the right thing.
by BigDog55 on Dec 17, 2010 9:21 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Of course they’re gonna tell Bob his team is great when they’re shopping from the same list of HC candidates.
“I gotta tell ya Bob, that Gary Kubiak fella is some kind of coach. I mean, you guys are sooooo close right now. I think all you’re lacking is a few tweaks here and there and you’ll be the class of the NFL. Matter of fact, I’m jealous. All we have to chose from are John Gruden and that Bill Cowher guy.”
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Right
The NFL coaching pool is shallow and incestuous. They would not be quick to say “you need a new head coach”
I believe that the Texans need to score 40 points in every game to be competetive because of efense.
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 17, 2010 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think they lack motivation.
We don’t need a motivator. We need someone who can tech us how to cover and tackle.
Mike Singletary for DC?
And is Ronnie Lott available to coach our secondary?
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by The Night Owl on Dec 17, 2010 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Umm, no offence...
…but did you watch the Mike Singletary led 9ers last night? He’s the very last thing we need anywhere near this franchise. Great players don’t generally make the best coaches.
"Eat Well, Stay Fit, Die Anyway" - Ancient Chinese Proverb
I generally exclude Mike Singletary when I'm talking about valid NFL coaches
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Man they looked horrible
You’re right, I don’t think Singletary should even be in the conversation.
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Yeah, after watching that game, I rescind that suggestion
But what about Ronnie Lott for Secondary Coach?
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by The Night Owl on Dec 18, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Kubiak needs to go.
Haivng said that, it is only fair to recognize that with a MARGINALLY better defense this team would be in the playoffs.
Of course Kubiak hired Bush…so….another bad playcall….
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU
Sigh
I guess this was not a surprise to hear. Good qualified coaches would line up in droves to come to Houston – it is likely to not take much to fix.
I believe that the Texans need to score 40 points in every game to be competetive because of efense.
Yeah,
But where do you start??
by pattymcgee on Dec 17, 2010 9:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Interesting thought...
I actually think the d-backs coach has done a good job coaching up guys like Quin and KJax in the 2nd half of the season. KJax was a complete liability for the first half, but so were most of the top d-backs who went in the draft.
Poor tackling has been a crippler, but I consider that less a function of the coaching, and more one of execution.
by pattymcgee on Dec 17, 2010 10:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Are you lobbying for the D-backs coach return?
Weren’t the d-backs the weak link all season? Are they all of a sudden good?
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You definitely wont see me lobbying for any of our coaches to return,
But I place the majority of the blame on the players. Short of any missed assignments or poor weak side anticipation, we didn’t really see any “WHO’S GOT CJ?!” fails this season. That was clearly on the coaching (BESF game last season), but missed assignments? That’s anybody’s guess.
Maybe 2-time superbowl champ Eugene Wilson will really turn it around next year… (ok definitely couldn’t keep a straight face typing that)
by pattymcgee on Dec 17, 2010 12:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
K-Jax is still a complete liability.
And Quin was fine (much like Bennett) in his rookie season.
Kareem’s off-season will be a big indicator, but I’m still wondering why Bennett, Molden, Reeves, etc. never made any progress. Ditto for every safety we’ve ever drafted or signed in free agency with the exception of flashes from Pollard. There’s a good chance there wasn’t much talent there to begin with, but odds are Gibbs is a lousy DB coach. That hiring was a serious case of nepotism; perhaps more-so than baby Shanahan even.
by Nashmeister on Dec 17, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
Lack of progress is the key indicator here. Not only has there not been significant progress made by a lot of the players that Gibbs has coached while being here, but some have regressed and a lot are no longer with the team.
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Look at how the Offense has developed
Vs how the efense has eveloped. Seriously a big difference.
I believe that the Texans need to score 40 points in every game to be competetive because of efense.
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 17, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Coaching on offensive side= Awesome
Coaching on the Efensive side= Something you keep locked away and never ever let it out.
Mike Leach, you have a call on Line 1
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by The Night Owl on Dec 17, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Keep in mind Gibbs was brought on in the 2009 offseason.
Who could you make a legitimate case for saying they regressed under Gibbs’ tutelage? Just asking.
by pattymcgee on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Frenchy
K-Jax, Wilson, Pollard, McClain….
K-Jax is a rookie, but if he’s playing poorly, it reflects on the coach. Just like if the dbs play well, he could be considered a good coach.
They can’t ALL be as bad as they are playing. I don’t buy it. Some of the blame goes on Bush for putting them out there, and some of it on Gibbs for poor coaching. Some goes to them for sucking, and some goes to Kubiak for retaining Bush.
There’s plenty of suck to go around. The DB coach does not get a pass.
"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK
Frenchy and Wilson were dealing with injuries
Remember the cheapshot Favre laid on Eww in the preseason last year? Since then he’s been abysmal, but we picked him up off waivers. Same with Pollard, waivers. It’s hard to say those guys have gotten any worse as a result of Gibbs’ coaching.
McCain was a 6th round pick, and Bennett had arguably already regressed from his rookie year performance by the time Gibbs got here. And KJax is struggling as much as any of the other top CB’s from this year’s draft, with the exception of McCourty.
I think the problem is, and always has been, talent and experience.
by pattymcgee on Dec 17, 2010 3:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
if the defensive backfield was playing well
I would say the DB coach deserved some credit.
Since they are not, I say he deserves some of the blame.
Thats all I’m saying. I think thats fair.
"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK
P.s. I'm not saying we couldn't use a top notch db coach-
But I think there are other more pressing matters to address in the offseason, especially if money is going to be an issue (it will)
by pattymcgee on Dec 17, 2010 3:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think we definitely need a new DB coach.
Its not all on Gibbs, but when have we EVER had a good secondary? Since we seem to want to get our d-backs on the cheap and as other peoples throwaways, or young draftees, we had damn sure BETTER be able to coach them up.
I’d say this is easily as strong a need as a new DC. I blame the coaches more than the players at this point. We have some of the personnel we need, but none of the coaching.
Ronnie Lott maybe?
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by The Night Owl on Dec 18, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Is was so funny yesterday afternoon listening to Rich Lord talking about the press conference
Lord kept contradicting callers who listened to what McNair said that thought McNair was saying he would change things. Lord insisted that is not what McNair said. He went back and replayed it several times and he got all stuck on the exact words McNair spoke. I thought I was listening to an analysis of Clinton-speak, “I did not have sex with that woman……..” pause, “Monica Lewinsky.” but you know what, no matter what McNair said, exactly, is there anyone here that believes we will see real action and real change.
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it was that or
Charlie Pallilo, also likes to hear himself talk. I think Charlie goes off-air and flagellates to his replays.
Carl Dukes, who listens to Charlie before coming up with something.
Sean and John, no matter where I am, that station is always cutting out…..
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by Rip Jersey on Dec 17, 2010 11:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Our city's sports radio is terrible. Especially that Josh Innes dirtbag
All he does is find ways to relate everything to himself and/or his college experience and make analogies to radio. Such an idiot. And now he’s on in the afternoon… sigh
Innes
Its always about him. He will be pumped if he reads this. He brags about how he can make it about himself. His shtick is getting more obnoxious the more time they give him.
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by Rip Jersey on Dec 17, 2010 11:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He also thinks he "tells it how it is".
If anything, he’s reactionary and needlessly cocky. Can’t believe people like him.
Fred Faour & A.J. Hoffman are pretty good
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by The Night Owl on Dec 17, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Josh Innes
is a fat woman hiding inside a fatter man’s body (no offence to Mr McClain) I’ve never hears someone whinge and moan so incessantly as him. It’s like having your mother in law, who’s never even read a sports page much less attend a game, tell you about football. He’s probably a kiddie fiddler, too.
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I think you crossed the line when you mentioned my mother-in-law.....
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Lopez is easily the worst
He was a shitty sports writer and is now a shitty sports host
One thing I saw mentioned here before (Rivers I think?)
Is how our players regress from year to year. Like someone will have a great rookie year and Smithiak will look like a genius, then they’re start sucking and ultimately be benched or released.
That to me means bad coaching. But I would guess it has more to do with position coaches.
Usually players in their first year play to their instincts
the years after that its primarily the coaching and some players tend to try to read and react instead of just reacting due to them having “Experience”
What the Other Owners actually meant
Wow! No matter what, you guys keep it exciting while still giving us the W. Keep up the good work.
....and, love what you did with Innegan!
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Kubiak has always
been average. But those have been with a great December record. Not so much this year.
"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK
Keep Kubiak
Get a real DC playoffs 2011. Simple.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
but what do you think about Jamarcus Russell's purple drank, joe25?
keep it simple….
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Should McNair be dranking it or not?
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Tim thinks it's causing Bob to want to keep Kubiak for another season
and keeping Kubiak is resulting in losses. He’s still a fan, mind you, but he is sour on the Texans and Bob, as the owner.
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Yet only once in a bye week
I believe that the Texans need to score 40 points in every game to be competetive because of efense.
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 17, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Umm, I've only recently found...
…TT, but a quick glance over there shows a critical mass type meltdown in progress. It’s actually quite comical in a way, they are trying to organise rallies against Bob and sending him letters with their tickets and jerseys. No, I’m not making it up, really…
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I don't even visit that site anymore.
Its like a giant competition for who had what opinion first (“I already said that,” “I made a post about it last week,” “I’ve been saying that all along,” “Like I said back in September”). I’ve never seen bigger bunch of fans campaigning for others to recognize and acknowledge their posting “accomplishments” than that place. And it makes it unreadable.
I didn't even visit that site first
I believe that the Texans need to score 40 points in every game to be competetive because of efense.
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 17, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
Texans Talk
There’s a link for it right on the left side of the Homepage, here.
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It's supposedly the original "official" message board
I could be off here but they were supposedly linked to HT.com before the site adopted its own official forum. Most of their members didn’t want to be a part of the new boards at the team site even though the same moderators were used for both.
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btw
I used to be a regular on the .com boards back in the day…..I’m the guy that got perma banned for asking why someone got perma banned.
Anyway, I recognize a couple of names so it’s good to see you guys are still around.
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I don't understand
How you can say Bush is a “sacrificial lamb.” That term generally implies innocence is behind sacrificed. FB is NOT even close to innocent. Ditch every single D coach (maybe keep the LB coach), plus the DC. Even if we sign/trade for some average secondary players next year, we’ll be able to kick some serious tail.
We should remember that the Texans and the Titans both had the toughest schedules this year and to throw the youngest secondary in the entire NFL against the Mannings, Rivers, McNabb, Romo, and some of the others…well…what did you expect?
It's because I already said "scapegoat" and he didn't want to steal that from me and turn this place into TT
I’m just kidding!
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I expected 10 and 6
and the schedules were not tough. Look how it’s panned out… last years records are even more meaningless this year than ever.
I agree that Frank Bush sucks.
At some point in the middle of the season, I thought the SoS had been rendered irrelevant...
But there’s a pretty good chance that seven of the eight teams that beat us this year finish the season with winning records, and six of those teams go to the playoffs (the only one that won’t go is Indy/Jax—who we lost to because we played twice).
What if...
Cowher, came in as DC? I doubt he would, but make him assistant HC and if/when Kubiak….well acts like Kubiak then OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
GO TEXANS!!!!
Our time will come...
Bob isn't that devious
Kubiak wouldn’t stand for that anyways, ala Wade Phillips… he might fall down.
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Yea!
Wait, does devious mean “capable of doing things that wouldn’t be possible in a million billion gajillion years”?
This is about as likely as Kubiak staying on and becoming OC
i.e. it’s not happening.
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by riversmccown on Dec 17, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
A new DC is not near enough.
If the defense was the only part of the team playing badly, maybe a new DC would be enough to make a difference, but that’s not the case. The offense is probably the most talented in the NFL, but they only play 1-2 quarters per game. Shaub wants to blaim dropped balls, but no one was close to the receiver the first three passes Monday, yet none of the receivers could even get a hand on his passes. First and ten from the seven in OT, Kubiak empties the back field. Passing there is fine, but why announce it to the opposing team. He does it all the time. He used to say he just wanted to be in the game in the 4th quarter. Well he’s done that all year to 5-8, with a team that should have blown out their opponent in at least 8 games. He’s got to go, if they are ever going to do anything.
by michael garrett on Dec 17, 2010 4:31 PM CST reply actions
The offense is *not* one of the most talented in the NFL.
It’s one of the best-coached; hence why they’ve turned an undrafted free agent into the league’s leading rusher with a bunch of cast-offs blocking for him up front. Aside from Andre, Schaub, and Duane Brown, there’s not much invested on that side of the ball. They get the most out of other team’s cast-offs, though.
That’s my argument for keeping Kubiak for the most part. When you have a guy who can pretty much completely free you up on a draft/free agency stand-point on one side of the ball, that’s a valuable thing to have. Unfortunately, we’ve squandered it in the drafting process for the most part…
Kubiak doesn't know shit about Defense
and thats fine but we need to bring in someone who does. Kubiak shouldn’t be allowed to have final word on defensive draft prospects.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Umm....
I’m not sure I expect Schaub to connect on every pass. Yeah, he started the game slowly, then the receivers who are normally pretty solid began dropping balls. I just don’t buy this idea that the O have to play perfect every play, because that’s what you’re asking them to do to account for the ridiculously bad D.
Also, not taking up for Kubiak, but if he had run in OT and got stuffed or worse, fumbled, then you would have been the first to say “why didn’t you stick with what was working in the 4th qtr Kubiak!”.
Everything is clearer in hindsight.
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Michael that was for you ;)
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I don't ask for perfection...
Just, not so much boom-or-bust. Even if they don’t score, they need to do a better job of moving the chains and controlling the clock, then helping the defense out with field position. Like we saw on Monday, even a defense like Baltimore’s can get overwhelmed if they’re on the field the entire game. And for most of our season, the offense just hasn’t been able to sustain a drive in the first half.
YeahI hear ya
on the boom and bust thing. However, we do have one of the highest scoring offences and fewest 3 and out rates in the NFL. Sure, they may not be helping the defence early in games, but they’re still putting up almost 25 per – which should be well more than enough to win ANY game,
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This offense has sooo much potential if they could just put it all together
That’s why I think keeping Kubiak for a little longer might be the best decision, even though it’s not the popular one.
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I hear ya too
I’ve always been a fan of ball control offenses with big play ability…..as much as I hate to say it, basically the Cowgirls of the 90"s.
I believe if you have a stud RB like we do, you lean on him heavy in the 1st half to wear down a defense. Don’t use him up too early, but feed him 2/3’s of his carries in the first half….even if it becomes a little predictable. I’d much rather play field position and time of possession early, so you can beat on the defense and soften them up, plus you hit big on play action because they naturally start cheating up.
Then right before the half you start going up-tempo with some no huddle to make them work even harder. By the second half, assuming you’ve been able to put up points and keep them from doing the same, you can pretty much work the whole playbook on them.
Of course, I’m an engineer and not a coach so it’s all just arm chairing. Still, it’s worked for some of the greatest teams in history and the Cowboys won 3 rings in a 10 year span to prove it. People can say what they want about Norv’s HC’ing career, and I tend to agree with them, but he was one helluva OC using just that strategy….and look how many HOF’ers came out of his system. Coincidence? Ask Phillip Rivers what he thinks when it’s all said and done.
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edit:
Maybe the Chargers reference wasn’t a good one because they’ve changed their philosphy to a pass heavy scheme, but it was out of necessity. They still intended to run the ball this season with Mathews but that didn’t work out like they hoped…..their biggest problem is lack of a true lead blocking FB, which is why LT’s #’s stared suffering.
Anyway, you get the idea and I’m rambling so I’ll shut up now. :)
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or Wade Phillips, which I think is more realistic
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John Fox as HC, Wade Phillips as DC = I'll be super happy
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by RocketsAstros on Dec 18, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
I don't get why people are high on Fox as a HC
I know he took his team to the Super Bowl, with Jake Delhomme no less, but his overall track record hasn’t been that great tbh. Considering that they still have a strong core of talent, it was surprising to see such a huge drop off like they had.
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I'd rather have Fox as DC
Mainly to put pressure on Kubiak
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by The Night Owl on Dec 18, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Wade Phillips is available now
He would set the D right, I know he could. Bring him in now after his one month vacation from the game. Bring him in so he can see the current personnel. Start making some changes to the scheme to see what is what. I would do it right after the Texans lose to the Kerry Collins led BESF tomorrow. Strike while the fire is hot! Is that the saying? I can’t remember….. thinking about taking everyone’s chips at the moment.
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