Thursday Night Football Pre-Game Recon: Bleeding Green Nation Edition (Part II)
by Tim on Dec 2, 2010 9:30 AM CST
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PrintIf you missed Part I, click here. JasonB from Bleeding Green Nation talks Michael Vick and Kevin Kolb after the jump.
2. Michael Vick's ascension has gotten all the press this season, but your QB2 is a guy many Houstonians are familiar with. What do you see the Eagles doing with Kevin Kolb in the offseason? As a corollary to that question, what do you expect Philadelphia to do with Vick? Long-term deal? Tag? In your opinion, is there any real chance Vick is not an Eagle next year?
BGN: I don't know whether they'll use the tag or work out a long-term deal--I'm sure they'll attempt the latter--but I can't see any way Vick's not an Eagle next year. The guy has exceeded absolutely everyone's expectations and is playing at a level where they just couldn't justify letting him walk. I'm as surprised as anyone, but they have to keep Vick. Plus, from Vick's perspective, you'd have to think that he'd want to stay in Philadelphia.
I like Kevin Kolb. In 5 career starts, he's been named NFC Offensive Player of the Week twice. How many young QBs in this league can say that? None? Donovan McNabb received that honor 4 times in 10 years. Kolb just needs games right now. At this point in his career, there's nothing more he can learn from sitting on the bench, so a trade would really benefit him. That said, not too many teams have a backup QB that they can feel pretty good about stepping in and winning some games. He's shown he can do that for the Eagles. With a guy that takes punishment like Vick as the starter, there's real value in keeping Kolb for another year. Still, I think if they got the right offer, the Eagles would deal Kolb.
Personally, I hold out hope that the Titans cut Rusty Smith this morning, followed by the Eagles signing him immediately, followed by Vick and Kolb being abducted by aliens this afternoon. Foolproof.
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Vick's health is key
Like Jason B said, Vick takes a lot of punishment. It’s only a matter of time where Kolb will be needed again, maybe even this season. I’ve been impressed with Kolb in the limited action he’s seen, and I can understand why the Eagles would let McNabb go……but to a division rival? That one still has me scratching my head.
I think they’ll tag Vick and keep both.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Do you think other teams...or enough other teams have forgiven and forgotten the baggage that comes with Vick
…and there will be enough interest in him, that Philly will have to tag him to keep him? I’m thinking he will just sign with them. On what basis, you ask? I think he is fitting in now. I think he does not want to start over somewhere else. Plus, the Iggles will make a good offer and he will sign for an agreeable amount. Plain and simple as that. He fits in with the Iggles and they will find a way to keep him there.
I dub the Jets..... over-exposed
I do think other teams have forgiven and forgotten
now that they’ve seen what he’s doing to them first hand. He’s so much better than he was before he went to prison, and you can bet every team that has QB questions would love to ham him now, regardless of his past. On top of the amazing talent, I think he’s shown enough maturity and understanding of his actions that it’s no longer a concern for most organizations.
I do think the Eagles will work out a new deal with him eventually, but the CBA is really screwing up all long term plans right now, so that’s why I think they’ll likely tag him first and then try to work something out before the end of the year……assuming there’s no lock out.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I don't know what to expect on the CBA
I understand the talk about McNair, if he is thinking of relieving Kubiak from HC, not doing it until there is a CBA and no threat of a lockout. I need more time to think how it will effect team’s long-term offers to players. Perhaps, it doesn’t make sense to pay a big signing bonus and then losing time on a contract and getting no return as the players are locked out. I can see that. But, in terms of that, it would effect every team and not just the Iggles. I don’t see a lockout as being something that will cause a whole season to be lost. So, I don’t see that being a reason to tag him and pay him top five money to keep him. Just thinking here. I need more time to ponder. Will get back to you on that.
I dub the Jets..... over-exposed
I'm not that familiar with the CBA either
So I’m just speculating, but it seems like it would be unwise to commit to a long term deal before that stuff is worked out.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
From another angle
If the deal is not worked out right away and there is a lockout, what’s the worry? No other team is signing players. It would be a desperate team that would sign Vick and not saying that there is one, but what team would be that team, I ask? Maybe Al Davis’ Raiders. He’s daring like that. But, you know, Al Davis had his chance this year, if he was interested, to trade for Vick. The Raiders could have used Vick this season. The Iggles, I know, needed Vick too because of injuries at the position, and probably weren’t interested at the current rate of pay. Still thinking here….
I dub the Jets..... over-exposed
true
there’s a whole lot of unknowns right now that have to work themselves out before teams are going to spend big money on long term deals. Honestly, this CBA stuff makes my head spin.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
The current CBA
has this 30% rule…
if you’re not familiar with it…it basically says that no player can get a raise where his base salary jumps more than 30% higher than it is this year.
teams have signed guys to long term deals this year, but it requires a lot of guaranteed money and a lot of upfront bonus. That stuff is feasible right now without a salary cap, but it’s a REALLY big risk to take, especially in a player like Vick who is on a VERY thin behavior rope. One slip and he’s gone and a team loses everything since they had to pay so much up front
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
I woul'd think they have clauses in Vick's contracts that cover their ass on that stuff
….such as, if you, Mr. Vick, mess up, you give us back some of that big bonus we paid you. Know what I mean? All perfectly legal and likely expected for a man in his position. If he is serious, he should have no problem signing that and the team should have no problem asking him to sign that.
I dub the Iggles..... soft, like Philly cream cheese!
I think there are such clauses in Vick's contract....
but not 100% sure and don’t have facts to back me up.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Yes, I'm sure they do
I was just trying to state my case without sounding like a know-it-all even though I think I know-it-all…..
I dub the Ravens...... Flaccid!
You posted part one at 8 am
of course we missed it!
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
What did you smoke/drink/eat this morning?
Assmass alone does not a NT make.
banana, Cafe mocha, one of those mini hot dog thingys....what do y'all call them, kolaches?
Now on to my second cafe mocha, which I make myself using just plain coffee and Ghiradelli sweet ground chocolate and cocoa. Is that too much information? Am I Bradyfying myself? At least I don’t wear UGGs and hug goats.
This was an open question, wasn’t it?
I dub the Jets..... over-exposed
So you only smoked the mini hot dog thingys?
j/k ;)
Assmass alone does not a NT make.
This is embarassing, but.....
I ate it, and just had a second one. I need to get back on the incline bench tonight.
I dub the Jets..... over-exposed
I like this matchup for our offense
I think we can outscore them.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Vick will execute our secondary....
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I meant to say Kevin Kolb has been named NFC Offensive Player of the Week twice in his five starts.
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still, even once is pretty hard
the guy can sling it, and IMO is better than VICK in the long term, including next year. people are finally getting tape on the NEW vick, and the same things that happened at the end of his ATL career will happen again. He is a MUCH better passer, but i still think he struggles with the 5-10 quick strikes. force him to do the, cover deep, and dont let him scramble. the texans cant do this, but and Ds with a pulse could.
i think jason allen is going to have a HUGE game
A game
for Frank Bush is the 3 hour period of time he can take off every week, without anyone, (players, coaches, friends, family etc.) bothering him. He used to utilize the time by taking a nap in the upstairs booth. But now that Gary has him standing by the sidelines, he is in the process of perfecting the art of sleepwalking.
Assmass alone does not a NT make.
Bush has been down on the field for the last couple games
….a strategy which I think I heard him quoted as liking, and I think he (and the team) think he will continue that in future games. The report I heard is that he likes it and it gives him more interaction with the players, on the spot. Could be some truth in that….
I dub the Jets..... over-exposed
Maybe he has poor eyesight
and couldnt figure out what was going on in the booth… but was too proud to get glasses.
Now on the sideline he can actually see whats happening and react like a competent coach.
I used to think that all NFL coordinators called plays from the sideline
till I heard that Bush used to stay in the booth.
Assmass alone does not a NT make.
Capers stays in the booth
For Green Bay
Hoping weird stuff really does only come in 3's
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 2, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
kolb should start next year...
whether in philly or az/carolina (two teams in desperate need of a qb). I have been a fan since he was a coog! The kid is smart and a good passer and deawrves a starting job.
I heard Brian Cushing like to do it with girls in a really uncomfortable place and i am not talking about the back seat of a Volkswagen
Go Texans!
*deserves*
damn palm pri keyboard vs fat fingers.
I heard Brian Cushing like to do it with girls in a really uncomfortable place and i am not talking about the back seat of a Volkswagen
Go Texans!
The fat fingers win every time....
or lose….depends on how your looking at it.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Girls love my fat fingers ;)
so i guess it is lose vs fone win vs womens naughty parts!!!
I heard Brian Cushing like to do it with girls in a really uncomfortable place and i am not talking about the back seat of a Volkswagen
Go Texans!
I was going to say something, but I deemed it NSFW....
I keep a bottle……………….
I dub the Iggles..... soft, like Philly cream cheese!
the grease from you constantly stuffing your chompers with tacos doesn't help....
pass the salsa, please! LOL!
I dub the Iggles..... soft, like Philly cream cheese!
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