Good Feelings Gone: Texans Fall To 5-7, Lose To Eagles 34-24
by TexansDC on Dec 2, 2010 10:37 PM CST
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Thursday Night's game seems like the perfect microcosm of Houston Texans football through eight-plus years.
They started out embarrassingly bad as LeSean McCoy and the Philadelphia Eagles offense shredded the defense with ease to run the lead up to 17-3. This poor play was reminiscent of the expansion era days of Charley Casserly and Dom Capers.
Then, Houston slowly started to climb back into it as Jacoby Jones caught a Matt Schaub touchdown which reminded me of the 7-9 2004 season before Schaub threw a terrible interception on a screen pass. The Eagles took a 20-10 lead before halftime which deflated the building hope and left me feeling like I did during 2005's 2-14 season.
After the half, we entered the Gary Kubiak years as Arian Foster led the Houston offense to two touchdowns. The Texans defense even got into it with a beautiful Jason Allen interception. The Texans looked like winners with a 24-20 lead. People were happy and hopeful in the game threads just as we were for last season's 9-7 record.
As has been the story this season, the Houston defense reared its ugly head and the offense stalled. The Eagles roared back with two unanswered touchdowns to take a 34-24 lead. The Texans had opportunities to cut into the 10-point lead late, but the offense couldn't get anything going at all. When it was all said and done, the 2010 Texans lost 34 -24 to the Eagles and fell to 5-7.
Like most Kubiak-led Texans teams, Houston was simply inconsistent. They started slow, heated up, cooled off, and just cannot find that consistent 60-minutes that good teams have. Yes, they could still be a game out of the division lead if Jacksonville and Indianapolis lose loseable games on Sunday, but the Texans would have to reel off four straight wins to make anything happen. It's hard to see this inconsistent team be that consistent.
There are ten days until your Texans play on Monday Night Football, and I know I wish Bob McNair would just hurry up and make the inevitable move of firing Frank Bush. Heck, we could even bring in someone like Wade Phillips as defensive coordinator who would be miles better than Bush. There I go thinking of creative solutions that will never happen again.
The comments are all yours to vent frustration after another terrible loss in a winnable game. Have at it, BRBers.
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fire frank bush
this defense is killing the team… how did it get worse frm last year? COACHING, does no one else see this?
Some people say "If you can't beat them, join them". I say "If you can't beat them, beat them", because they will be expecting you to join them, so you will have the element of surprise.
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front office wise
i know you guys get it.
Some people say "If you can't beat them, join them". I say "If you can't beat them, beat them", because they will be expecting you to join them, so you will have the element of surprise.
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I personally believe that the front office knows
And Bush (at the very least) will be gone this offseason.
Which is about 16 games too late.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 2, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
We had the same coach last year...
And all of the “fire Frank Bush” talk is quite reminiscent of two years ago, when everybody thought that Richard Smith was the root of all our problems.
Bad personnel decisions and poor player development leads to a group of bad players that a bad defensive coordinator can’t compensate for (nor could a good defensive coordinator).
There’s no simple fix to correct the worst defense in the history of football. By the time this defense is even mildly competent, it’ll have at least six new starters.
a new coach brings in their personnel though.
look what rex ryan did to the jets in one season. a new coach can do that.
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A new HEAD COACH. Firing Frank Bush is only part of the equation.
by Crazy Eye Killa on Dec 2, 2010 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
Only if you have a GM who wants to win.
We’ve elected to build through the draft, rather than going out and getting a Kris Jenkins or Bart Scott. I guarantee you Bush would have preferred Kerry Rhodes and Atogwe at safety, but we cheaped out.
The GM wants to win, but he's not going to bring in anyone that the coach's don't want.
There was never any reported interest on Houston’s part on Rhodes or Atogwe. That was fan speculation.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I don't know what goes on behind the scenes....
but I still wonder at this comment,
I guarantee you Bush would have preferred Kerry Rhodes and Atogwe at safety
I wonder if he could recognize talent….just sayin’
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
I'm not sure how much of that is even his job.
It’s on Smith and Kubiak to bring in players. Bush just has to plug them in, and we’ve dealt him a bad hand.
Again....
I really don’t know the inner workings of this FO, but OC and DC do have some input as to personnel….or should at least. If they don’t, then it is time to clean out the entire FO.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
There's no problem building through the draft...
if you know what the f%$k you’re doing. It looks like the guys they draft on defense aren’t worth a damn.
He already had a shut down corner in the making, a great offensive line, and good Gm that will trade for players
like Santonio holmes and Antonio Cromartie that would actually help the team
is it not awesome
that all we are talking about is firing coaches and next year drafts because this season was over when PUBS decided to be a “genius” and throw throw throw the ball against the colts on monday night…what a tool…everyone in the known universe were saying RUN THE BALL….
1st round – new DC
2nd round – better coaches
3rd round – new GM
4th round – different UNIs
5th round – new secondary.
6th round – TE
7th round – TE
YEEBEEDABA our D is DOO DOO
Theres nothing new i can say that hasn't been said a thousand times on this blog.
by Ivan A on Dec 2, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Disappointed is exactly how I feel
I could not comment during the game while it was on where I was at. DId I miss something or was there more fire in Schaub yelling at the refs than there was in play on the field – basically for the whole team at the end of the game.
Hoping weird stuff really does only come in 3's
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 3, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
True
but god how much did we miss Demeco tonight?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
As much as I love Demeco
His awesomeness cannot save us from the assbabies that are frank bush’s defensive schemes.
Bentley was the biggest goat on defense today
so I can’t completely agree, only mostly.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
It can, though.
We’re not asking for the Steel Curtain here. Solid tackling wins this game today.
At least they didnt get blown out
they played hard and lost. I cant be mad at that
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
well i can
cause the D sucked.
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man im sick
and tired of that….how about play hard and win…thats a new one…right?
play and win
play bad and win
play hard and win
play soft and win
play crap and win
play bad O and win
play bad D and win…
in the words of the Al “yoda” Davis…JUST WIN BABY.
YEEBEEDABA our D is DOO DOO
by TexanSam on Dec 3, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ravens
their offense isn’t of the same caliber as the Eagles. We might actually be able to hold them under 30. Every game after that I believe we can win, next week is going to be the tough one.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Frank Bush = shit bird of the year!!!
Fire him and save some fans
"If the Almighty were to rebuild the world and asked me for advice, I would have English Channels round every country. And the atmosphere would be such that anything which attempted to fly would be set on fire."
~ Winston Churchill
NFL Translation: We need the Texan Defense this week more than ever against the high flying Eagles...GO TEXANS!!
You know
Mike Leach isn’t a defensive guy.
But I think that’s actually the genius of this reply: the fact that I had to think about whether Mike Leach would be a better defensive coordinator than Frank Bush.
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by riversmccown on Dec 2, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Try to win the division
if Dallas beats the Colts, and the Titans win over the Jags, then we are still only one game out. After the ravens are schedule isn’t all that tough.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
problem
That’s the problem though, they’re always leaving their fate in other teams’ hands.
"We're goin with what we got"
by silentassassin on Dec 2, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
Every team that doesn't go 16-0 does that
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I don't agree with that....
if one takes care of division games….you are automatically in the playoffs….simple as that.
And that IS in the teams hands.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Uh so
if you go 6-0 in the division,and 0-10 otherwise, you can still easily not make the playoffs.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I guess I'm confused....
if a team goes 6-0 in the division and holds all the tiebreakers with the other division teams, how do they not make the playoffs?
Maybe this is getting into the esoteric BS of playoff ranking etc, but even if the other division opponents overall record is better, doesn’t the 6-0 in division guarantee the division crown?
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Gotcha....
didn’t know that….maybe I shoulda, but didn’t.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
I would defer
To the NFC West.
Frank Bush delenda est
Dallas is not going to beat the Colts. lol
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU
by TexansForever on Dec 3, 2010 6:52 AM CST up reply actions
Stranger things have happened...
I didn’t think Manning would throw 4 INTs, 2 pick 6s, and Colts would lose by 20+ to an above average SD team at home. I wouldn’t count them out so soon, especially after the coaching change.
Plus Colts just ravaged with injuries on offense...
and for some reason Garcon not the same player he was last year.
Really? They have noone left on their schedule that they cannot beat.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU
by TexansForever on Dec 2, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
The Cowboys have the lines to dominate that game
Titans and Raiders can run the ball and can get pressure. The Jags already beat them once.
Those aren’t gimmes.
"Lord, beer me strength."
lol...care to wager on that?
I will take Maning in December with playoffs on the line versus 4 SCRUB teams.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU
by TexansForever on Dec 3, 2010 6:53 AM CST up reply actions
boys arent that good
and its winnable division games mostly from there. they have the boys AT HOME too. hard to see jon kitna beating peyton. they go 2 games up and its over
KP
good ole kubes
Ridiculous, there’s always something every fucking year that “holds this team back.” Injured qbs, bad kickers, dogshit for defense, etc. 4th year and a row and we’re 5-7 yet again. Whether it’s this coaching staff or this organization, one of them needs to figure it the fuck out.
"We're goin with what we got"
They made it more of a game than most expected
But we lost because of: Bush, Schaub, Brown and no calls by refs.
Fire Bush!!!!
"If the Almighty were to rebuild the world and asked me for advice, I would have English Channels round every country. And the atmosphere would be such that anything which attempted to fly would be set on fire."
~ Winston Churchill
NFL Translation: We need the Texan Defense this week more than ever against the high flying Eagles...GO TEXANS!!
Thats because people
don’t give our offense the credit it deserves.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Brown, eh?
Now there’s a name I haven’t heard in a while. It actually took me a while to figure out which one you were referring to.
Jamal Brown
The one who had all the False Starts…
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by distant_texans_fan on Dec 2, 2010 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
In fairness
I’d rather see him false start 3 times then get impregnated by Cole every play.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Dec 2, 2010 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
LOL yeah I figured it out last night. The stupid announcer called Duane Brown --Jamal . .
But here’s what happened. . .Duane has an evil twin named Jamal. =P anything wrong was Jamal stuffing things up.
Evil twins are the real source of the losses ;-).. now all we need to do is figure out Schaub’s evil twin, Mario’s evil twin (being seeing alot of this one) etc etc.
by BattleRedFan on Dec 3, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
The common denominator is KUBIAK… FIRE KUBIAK!!!!
by Crazy Eye Killa on Dec 2, 2010 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
With an average competent defense, we fucking own the eagles and everybody else.
Frank Bush will be gone by this offseason (hopefully sooner) and im sure our new will DC demand that pollard be gone and we trade for troy polamalu. If frank bush is still the DC next year then I will personally go up to McNair and backhand the fuck outta him. It won’t be as bad as him backhanding us by keeping frank bush. Grow some fucking balls and go Jerry Jones on his ass. Embarrasing effort by the Defense week end and week out (Sans Rusty smith led BE-SFs).
He's also been misused all season
He’d look great with a real free safety and in the hands of a real coordinator.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Thank you....
those were the words I was looking for….but couldn’t come up with.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Brilliant
Why can’t these coaches figure that out?
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by The Night Owl on Dec 3, 2010 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
Other than that interception that went right through his hands.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 2, 2010 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
he got fucked up on that play
hard to blame him
KP
point is
i doubt he holds on when he’s that high in the air. and gets hit helmet2helmet by celek coming down.
KP
I don't see how Celek didn't get flagged for that hit
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by The Night Owl on Dec 3, 2010 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
Because the refs were horrible.
Almost as bad as our defense.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 3, 2010 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
Juh?
He was missing tackles left and right early on.
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by riversmccown on Dec 2, 2010 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Intensity.
Dude he fucking played really hard and stuff. Without him everyone would try less and we’d do worse and stuff. ilovepollard.
by DisplacedTexan on Dec 2, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
Also
What kind of a name is Rivers? Ur gay.
by DisplacedTexan on Dec 2, 2010 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
He's just emulating, not being serious.
Don’t worry about it.
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by riversmccown on Dec 2, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
No dude
this is super srl. You have to fight him to the death now.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
This is true.
THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE, RIVERS!
by DisplacedTexan on Dec 2, 2010 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
Awww
I just SWEPT the circle of death.
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by riversmccown on Dec 2, 2010 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, thought he turned it around
Had a sack, had some PDs…wasn’t the weakest spot on the defense cough*zacdilesandeugenewilsonsucksomuch*coughs*
"Lord, beer me strength."
We know the defense is terrible
… but Schaub has become just as inconsistent as the defense. Sure he’ll make a few good throws when it doesn’t really matter, but when the game is on the line, does anyone really feel comfortable with him back there? Last year I would have said 100% yes, but that just isnt the case this year. From stupid throws for INT’s, to stupid throws to wide open receivers that are way off their mark, to stupid throws that SHOULD have been picked off.
I could have been like everyone else and said something about the defense, but at this point, I already knew it was bad, so repeating it would have been unproductive.
by Amivy on Dec 2, 2010 10:43 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
He only led us to 24 points
and 250+ non garbage time passing yards. What a horrible QB amiright?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
by nolander on Dec 2, 2010 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
True, but he made some terrible throws.
I think it’s been something we’ve been trying to avoid talking about because there are clearly bigger issues, but Schaub hasn’t been as good as he was in ’09.
he also made some great ones
We where spoiled last year with his 4 billion yards passing.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Give me some examples of great ones?
You mean the ones were his wide reciever has been wide open? I have yet to see schaub fit a good tight throw this season. Dude throws balls at his recievers ankles atleast 3 times a game.
He is still better then close to 20 or more other starters
be realistic
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
so you're saying we could put Orlousy in and do better?
or what EXACTLY are you saying?
by BattleRedFan on Dec 3, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Which was a result of having no running game.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 2, 2010 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
The problem is that we don't have Baby Shanahan calling the offense anymore.
"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli
I am forced to agree with this
How many times did we run the ball on 1st down. Doesnt take a genius to stuff the box and shut it down. There was some really bad play calling through out this one.
by PassMeTheBleach on Dec 2, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How often have we called for this in the past?
I’m actually up for doing just that…..especially if it is working. Our passing on first down all the time wasn’t getting the job done.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Check out Schaub's 1st-down passing statistics.
Not stellar. I’d rather rush it for one yard than roll the dice there.
I would rather take my chance with a play that has a chance to suceed, instead of running into a brick wall over and over again.
by PassMeTheBleach on Dec 2, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
We picked up 2-3 yards on 1st-down numerous times.
That’s productive. It keeps an aggressive defense honest and whittles the yardage down for shorter 3rd-down tries.
Give the Eagles’ credit. It wasn’t just stacking the box… They were disciplined and tackled well.
I agree with you...
but it’s suprising that Houston doesn’t have better success on playaction. You can tell recently that there is a more concerted effort to hand the ball to Foster more. You would think that this would really open up playaction.
Yeah
It’s really weird, with the best running back and wide receiver in football, and a pretty good qb, that we pretty much suck at play action.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 3, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Well
it seems like no one is biting on it. We seem to be getting lots of time for schuab to throw on them, and he just holds the ball and then throws it away. Maybe he isn’t allowed to make all the throws he was last year?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
He certainly has cut down on the
one really dumb forced pick a game thing.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Yeah..
I was discussing this same thing with my friend, last night… It’s as if teams have decided to play the pass, or play-fake (which would explain the brutal efficiency of our running attack)..
But you’re right, Schaub sits back there like nobody’s open all the time..
I would like to see
What it looks like down field on those plays he is holding it so long. I have no idea if our receivers suck that bad at getting open or what?
Hoping weird stuff really does only come in 3's
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 3, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Too bad those earrings from Dragon Ball Z don't actually exist
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by The Night Owl on Dec 3, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
I agree
I like what Dennison did to fix our running game.
I like what Foster , Ward, and Leach have done for our running game.
But Dennison is dropping the ball on our passing game. We’ve had receivers totally unprepared to be thrown to (not so much in this game but in many other games this season) and yes add to that bad shots at receivers ankles — but in my opinion the bad throws are not b/c Schaub is physically incapable of throwing but b/c he’s not being protected. So again, the coaches aren’t getting consistency out of their offensive line.
by BattleRedFan on Dec 3, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Eagles blitzers made it home time after time right up the fucking gut
Of course he’s going to make bad throws under that. Not saying he played remotely well, but this is a scheme thing to me more than anything.
And can someone please tell Rick Dennison that Schaub cannot throw on the run to save his fucking life.
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by riversmccown on Dec 2, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know...
I was very impressed with a game this year (Chiefs?) where he threw 2 TD passes scrambling right to left, which for a right hander is very tough to do.
I know Schaub hasn’t looked as well as last year, but I like the guy and think that if you get rid of him, you really don’t have anyone better to step in. But I wouldn’t criticize the guy because the defense is giving up 30+ pts a game and Schaub can’t match that every week.
They need to just start drafting QBs in the lower rounds every year like the Packers used to do (then would trade them when they had a QB in place).
50 of those were to andre at the end of the game, in garbage time. He threw an inconceivable INT to a D-Lineman that was right in front of him, and it looked like he didnt even see him. On the 2nd to last drive on the throw to KW, he through a ball that the safety had clearly bitten on the throw and SHOULD have been intercepted. Also, lets not forget the scramble in which he threw the ball into the ground.
I’m not saying hes horrible, or that he’s absolutely terrible, but to me at least, he is not on of the top 10 QBs in the league as we all thought he was.
Eagles didnt have their #1 CB
Also, and Schaub has BEST WR in NFL to throw too. Bradford the rookie has no one. Schaub is not clutch. At all. He is a Very, very good backup but he wont lead us to the promised land. Maybe we need to sign … Mike Vick?? Jk. Or am I?
Drugs
Stop taking them.
People who think Schaub is not clutch (whatever that means) need to recognize.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 2, 2010 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
Clutch is a myth.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 3, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah, forgot about that...
I always have the sabremetric baseball community remind me of that one!
Schaub is far from the worst problem on this team
but his play this year has been up and down and his inability to make plays when the pocket breaks down is an issue. I think he is good for another few years but we need a mobile qb if we are going to stay with this style of O
And this is my major point...
When the game is on the line, I just don’t trust Schaub to get the job done. Now I completely trust Andre to make jump ball impossible catches to win the game, but without Andre, I can’t see Schaub being nearly as good as hes touted to be.
THIS^^^
Imagine AJ under Peyton, Brady, rivers? Oooooh boy.
ya lets KG andre
time to send him to a contender and give him his due. classy guy deserves better.
KP
Well those guys are imminently available
Fuck Schaub, lets deal for them.
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by riversmccown on Dec 2, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
I mean obviously
if Schuab isn’t one of the top 3 qbs in the league we should cut him right?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Schaub and our whole 2011 draft oughta get it done
We don’t really need to fix the defense, right? Right.
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by riversmccown on Dec 2, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
Everyone in the NFL knows defense never wins championships
by PassMeTheBleach on Dec 2, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
Especially when those Patriots went undefeated & won the Super Bowl
That Giants defense didn’t have a chance
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by The Night Owl on Dec 3, 2010 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
OK...
without AJ Schaub would have Walters (clearly worse this year than years past), Jacoby (regressed), Daniels (not the same since ACL injury). He’d be left with Foster, Dressen, and Anderson. Very few QBs would be successful with that lineup, this average at best Oline, and this terrible D.
The knot in the pit of my stomache
When I saw that Dan-O couldn’t even find my helmet to go into the game begs to differ.
Frank Bush delenda est
That
Is a ready to play backup
Hoping weird stuff really does only come in 3's
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 3, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
I hope Rivers can tell us this week
if K Jax has been better, or isn’t seeing the field anymore or what. I didn’t really notice him but once, and that was when they did the QB sneak.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Frank Bush has got to go
The defense turned up for one series in the third quarter. And only because of Jason Allen’s INT, which he shouldn’t have got, because Smith and Kubiak didn’t believe we needed help in the Secondary, so he should never have been signed. Bush got Lucky and the O put us ahead. Then the D stunk it up again on the very next series.
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by distant_texans_fan on Dec 2, 2010 10:44 PM CST reply actions
good game guys
you’re DEF didnt play anywhere near as horrible as you all made it sound leading up to the game, and we definitely have areas that the Eagles need to improve on. You all did really well in the third quarter for the most part and made it almost a very close game.
in my pants.
by Kraftacular on Dec 2, 2010 10:45 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Thanks for being classy
Defense may not be that bad tonight, but it still lost the game and couldn’t make a play.
"Lord, beer me strength."
3rd and 19
At the 24. 6 minutes left. We get a stop and we have a chance to take the lead with a TD. Yet they easily give up the first down….and I doubt anyone was really surprised. 2010 Texans defense
^^^ This.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 2, 2010 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
I would not call it easy
His knee goes down we have the stop. Meco makes that play methinks.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
You mean
DeMeco manages to tackle him for an 18 yard gain? Or that DeMeco wouldn’t give up an 18-yard reception in the first place?
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 2, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
Either
but I think he at least makes the tackle, Bentley was in position to make the play, he just didn’t.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
What do you mean?
Do you mean spinning him down towards the first down line doesn’t count as making a play?
That’s unpossible!
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 3, 2010 1:00 AM CST up reply actions
What bothered me
was watching Allen standing there, powerless to make a play for fear of the flag, and I can’t blame him at all. If he didn’t have to worry about a massive penalty he could have stopped that shit.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
That drove me insane too.
Allen could have slapped the ball away or ripped it clear, or drop a shoulder into it to get a turn over.
Someday houston will have a football team that will play at an NFL level, on both sides of the ball, for 60 minutes, for every scheduled game. Until then we suffer and try to support a team called the Texans.
I was thinking the same thing as well....
I didn’t know that was Allen, but I looked at the defender there and was thinking, do something, slap at the ball, something, the guy is stretching out with it.
Maybe their playing scared that things just don’t go our way….if the ball goes out of bounds doesn’t it revert to the offense? If it goes in play who knows who will get it. shrugs* Just don’t know at this point.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
it's the fear of a massive fine from the big scary Monday morning gastapo NFL
no defenses will do anything in a few seasons…just watch the runners zing by for high scores
Someday houston will have a football team that will play at an NFL level, on both sides of the ball, for 60 minutes, for every scheduled game. Until then we suffer and try to support a team called the Texans.
right this was my point
he didn’t know the guy was going to get spun around, and couldn’t go in hard to make sure he got down without facing a big ass fine.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Many are close games
another sigh
Hoping weird stuff really does only come in 3's
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 3, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Well now that the season is over, maybe McNair will stone up nad FIRE BUSH.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU
That's the thing though
The season isn’t over yet. 9-7 can, and probably will, win this division.
"Lord, beer me strength."
No way. It is time to top dreaming. Colts win 10. Their schedule is easily winnable from here out.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU
by TexansForever on Dec 2, 2010 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
Also easily loseable
All 5 games feature teams who can run the ball. They’re not unbeatable.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Its not over till we have 8 losses
or the colts win 4 more games.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Kinda want us to lose out and somehow get Prince Amukumara or Patrick Peterson.
then get a badass free safety in high round 2
I SOOOOOO
Want Petersen. Lose out I say too.
talk about lockdown corner
and sick punt returner. 2 problems in one helluva player
KP
Well,
Wed have to trade up. BUT he most certainly would be worth it.
I still love the guy and i think he worth a top 5 pick
but that’s just me
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Millen
anyone catch Millen tonight? On the topic of Arian run blocking: “That’s half the BOTTLE”
"We're goin with what we got"
by silentassassin on Dec 2, 2010 10:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I actually chalk this one up to the players.
Play calls were decent o the d side of the ball. NO EFFECIENT tackling, and let’s not even go into the covering capabilites. They did press on short yardage, but there was no rush. O calls weren’t much better Arian between the tackles seemed to be working. “No, they would be expecting that” Airplane two if I recall . Bleach combined with drano is yummy.
Houston Texans - Once again proving it's possible to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
They rushed Arian a ton in the first 3 quarters
22 times in fact.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Concur
BUt also what was his net average per gain? I’m not an analyst but from eagle eye perspective it was more than any attempt they made on a passing play.
Houston Texans - Once again proving it's possible to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
lost in this game
brian cushing was terrible.
KP
Our linebackers approached the awfulness of our safeties today.
That’s an impressive feat. The lines are becoming blurred…
=( the game was a blur for me and I do NOT get inebrieated
Just a depressing loss =(
I can’t isolate what went wrong except I’m finally agreeing with y’all Bush does need to go. I’d been holding out and hoping that he finally figured out how to get the most out of our defense but =( I think y’all are right. The Texans coaches are letting our players rot on the vine. They don’t develop talent, we have to acquire talent that was already developed outside of Houston.
But players being consistently inconsistent … that’s on the coaches FIRST then on the players.
by BattleRedFan on Dec 3, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
How to win.....
Fire Bush
Get Schaub to throw ahead of receivers at chest level or put in Leinart
Cut Diles (non tackling bitch), Slaton (nice fumble asshole)
Hit Mario in the ass with a cattle prod or trade him for someone who plays EVERY down
Have McNair go after the front office about shit bird refs and a crooked looking organization
"If the Almighty were to rebuild the world and asked me for advice, I would have English Channels round every country. And the atmosphere would be such that anything which attempted to fly would be set on fire."
~ Winston Churchill
NFL Translation: We need the Texan Defense this week more than ever against the high flying Eagles...GO TEXANS!!
so the texans gameplan is to
roll a dice numbered 1-4, and play well ONLY in that quarter. not all 4, its not even 2 now, just 1.
KP
Don't you mean 3rd Q?
Houston Texans - Once again proving it's possible to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
yup,
in the jets, chiefs, skins, and jags game it was the 4th. cept we fucked up 2 of them in the last 30 seconds.
KP
Copy that! I got the inference. And I again concur.
Houston Texans - Once again proving it's possible to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
1d4 for good play
Sounds about right.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 2, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
I honestly hope that Kubiak goes into the Press Conference and throws everybody on the defensive side of the ball
(Coaches and Players) under the fucking bus, stops, reverses, run em over again and again. He isn’t that bad with his questionable play calling, he gave us a great offense but the fucking defense is the worst i have ever seen in my life. I have absolutely no confidence in our defense.
Kubiak's Play Calling?..
He’s the ***king Head Coach… Why doesn’t he learn how to do that job, instead of doing the offensive co-ordinator’s job?.. Maybe then he’ll learn how to manage the clock, or know when to go for a FG!..
How come nobody sees this?..
Schuab
Maybe he isn’t what we though he was, he isn’t allowed to change plays at the line, throws dumbs picks, can’t see a saftey blitzing from 10 yards deep when the ball is snapped, maybe he just isn’t that bright of a QB.
im veering closer and closer
to trading picks 1-4 for luck, hiring harbaugh/fangio and going from there. you want a schaubs accuracy, rodgers arm, and the ability to scramble? thats andrew.
KP
by stanfordkp on Dec 2, 2010 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly,
That probably would not be a bad idea/ Considering our drafts of late have been shitfuck craptastic BUSTS. Why not get 1 of the only 3 or 4 close to sure things in the draft this year? Luck will be a VERY good NFL QB. Why not us
We don't have a good defense to keeps us in the games when the rookie makes some
mistakes, which will happen.
Honestly
That idea sucks donkey balls.
Let’s trade our most valuable picks to tie up a shit ton of money for a player who plays in a position that is a total crapshoot as far as success goes.
Oh, and who plays on the opposite side of the ball to where all of our problems are. Sounds like a winner.
According to FO, we have the second best defense in the game, and a defense that is in the running for the worst defense IN HISTORY.
How is getting rid of our most valuable picks and drafting a qb going to help this exactly?
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 2, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
People are idiots
thats how
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I'm amazed at the shift of blame from defense to Schaub.
Agree that he was better last year. But I bet Schaub looks better with a D that can actually make stops. 7-5, possibly 8-4 if D can stop Jets in less than a min, hold SD when Rivers is without WRs 1-3, and maybe win in OT if they don’t give up a one in a million Hail Mary to the Jags.
SD without Gates too...
ugh, makes me want to throw large objects all over again.
i mean, this assumes we draft a FS, LB, and NT, or trade for them.
i mean look, we lost this game because, a) defensive coaching (fixed with fangio, former asst in baltimore), b) bad overall coaching (harbaugh vs kubiak, cmon), and 3) qb making mistakes (im thinking lucks gonna be better than schaub, and its not a stretch).
KP
You're kidding right....
Are you talking about Vic Fangio? 1st defensive coordinator in Houston?
"Lord, beer me strength."
is it bad
that im young enough where i cant remember how bad our defense was to being with in 02?
KP
but in all honesty
stanfords defense was ranked close to last in the FBS last yrs. and now we’re pretty damn decent. maybe it was fangio, maybe it was the switch to the 3-4. we have most of the same players, but just changed schemes/coaches – there is hope for next yr!
KP
See my comment below about QBs.
We lose games because our defense sucks. Sucks a million hairy donkey dicks. We have the second best offense in the NFL, and our defense is a complete sieve.
Now explain to me again how giving up four opportunities (that would be draft picks 1-4) to add personnel to our defense in order to draft an unproven quarterback is going to make our historically bad defense even better.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 2, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
ya ur probably right
argument conceded. switching positions to that of below.
KP
+1 for intellectual honesty
and, of course, +39458346 for agreeing with me. ;)
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 2, 2010 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
Not necessarily Luck persay, but if we have a chance to trade up and grab Petersen, Prince, Quinn or Bowers, I dont see why we wouldnt. The Jets have moved up to get their guy 3 drafts now, and theyve hit on all but 1 of em. If Petersen is this “cant miss” CB which he defintely appears to be, or even Prince, why not get the best in the position that we are in the most need for.
Ackknowledging that there are no standout Safties like Berry or Thomas this year.
Um, we don't have the Jets D...
so Houston doesn’t have the luxury to sacrifice picks.
Instead of just saying that those picks don’t matter because they will pick crappy D players anyways, how about getting a GM that won’t pick bad players?
by selke99 on Dec 3, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Putting all our hopes on a can't miss quarterback at the top of the draft.
Why have we never tried that before?
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 2, 2010 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lol at the comparisons between david carr, from fresno state
and a heisman candidate andrew luck, from the #4 team in the country. also, i want a coach with moxie and drive. trust me, ive seen enough from stanford to know that luck/harbaugh will be better than schaub/kubiak.
KP
See into alternate realities, can you?
Do you want to go down the list of supposed can’t miss quarterbacks that, in fact, did miss?
Reality: there is no guarantee that a player is going to make it in the NFL. None. Ever.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 2, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
Very True.
Its all a crapshoot. But you do have to take chances sometimes.
Agreed.
But I’d rather take those chances on improving our defense. Not our offense.*
*except for tight ends of course. Can’t have too many of those!
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 2, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
Please stop this
We have to save the dead horses
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by The Night Owl on Dec 3, 2010 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
4 picks for a gamble....
Smells of New Orleans’ shipping their picks for Ricky.
"Lord, beer me strength."
i mean ive already conceded the argument
but if i had a last stand, it would be that theres no chances of andrew lucks character making him a shit player. i know the guy, hes too talented, too driven, too humble, and too fucking smart to fail.
KP
Schaub was not perfect
The only series I was really frustrate with him was when we had 3 minutes or so left. I really think it was not him so much as plays or play design.
Why do we have a play where we drag Dre across the field 3 yards ahead of the line of scrimmage anyways?
Hoping weird stuff really does only come in 3's
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 3, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
The idea there would be
to try to get them to focus on short stuff becuase its motha fuckin dre, while someone else gets deep?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Good game, guys. A lot of Eagles fans were jumping off a bridge during the 3rd Q, and the Texans didn’t make the Eagles’ D look good at all.
Best of luck rest of the season.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Thanks for being classy
and thanks for a good ass whipping. Closer to getting Frank Bush outta here.
Honestly
That probably would not be a bad idea/ Considering our drafts of late have been shitfuck craptastic BUSTS. Why not get 1 of the only 3 or 4 close to sure things in the draft this year? Luck will be a VERY good NFL QB. Why not us
Seeing Dan Orlavsky...
… scrambling around looking for his helmet just said everything about the Texans in an instant.
Unprepared to play.
by Amivy on Dec 2, 2010 11:06 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
....and that gets hung around the neck of the head coach
Time to clean house, start over, rebuild, and see if we have a fucking NFL team in 3 more years. What a monumental waste of time and money this last nine seasons has been. I’m out $30K on psl and season tickets for this? Yeah, no contract renewal, KTHX.
"If the Almighty were to rebuild the world and asked me for advice, I would have English Channels round every country. And the atmosphere would be such that anything which attempted to fly would be set on fire."
~ Winston Churchill
NFL Translation: We need the Texan Defense this week more than ever against the high flying Eagles...GO TEXANS!!
I think this is the only team that has players along the sideline that can't ever get out of bounds to stop the clock.
Hurry up offense and it really puts a lot of extra pressure on Kubiak’s feeble clock mgmt skills when they try for an exrtra 2 yds instead hitting the sideline and stopping the clock. Dreesen has to be one of the worst.
Poor coaching!!
schaub at the mic
looks pissed, disappointed.
KP
also didnt think he messed up on the screen INT
“d lineman made the play” . hmmmm
KP
i meant to say
he didnt think he did, of course i did lol.
KP
I'm gonna be an ass....
and call out all of the “I’m done with this team” talk.
That’s the kind of shit attitude that has made me hate cowturds fans….either you back the team or you don’t. I don’t care if it is 15 yrs of suckitude, ya either back ‘em or get the fuck out….and I’d better not see ya around if/when this gets turned around and the Texan’s start winning.
Yes I bitch about the coaching and the players, etc ad nauseum, BUT, if the game is televised and I am in anyway able to watch….I will be watching and watching to the bitter end. I may not watch the last three kneel downs of the opposing team, but I watch until that happens. And I will proudly say I back this team even in the face of much derision in the office….because I am a fucking fan. I made that decision 8 yrs ago and will stick with it.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
by txknight on Dec 2, 2010 11:13 PM CST reply actions 19 recs
You are not an ass
And you are rec’d.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 2, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
rec'd
But I do have low expectations for this team with the current regime.
Oh I'm not sayin' I have high expectations either....
but dammit I’m there watching. And taking the shit talk from the fellas in the office.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
I think
…Im the only Texans fan in NYC.
Im so hipster.
by doogiehowserMD on Dec 3, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
Too be honest. I knew this was to come being a fan of this franchise.
You probably won’t see much of people stating that they will walk out on this team like the comments on the comicle that are 1 outta every 1.5 but we still get dissapointed week in and week out. I have high expectations for this team. I will never turn in my fan card of this team, no matter how shitty thier defense may be. Hell, i would even sit through a 0-16 season where we get shutout every game because in the end, we will get ours. Hopefully in my lifetime and not the next.
What Houston sports team besides the Rockets of the mid-90's and the Dynamo...
Don’t constantly disappoint us?
Dynamo were dissapointing this year
Just for the record
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
'stros
My standards aren’t high. The Astros were fucking awesome from the mid-90s up until the world-series year. I’m not asking for a championship; just get into the playoffs and make things interesting. It’s really not that fucking difficult. Hell, the Bengals did it last year. The fucking Bengals!
word.
i think most of us just want things to get shaken up. its not like we’re gonna stop being texans fans.
KP
Rec'd
I’m still pulling for the Texans, but I’m sick of this regime and refuse to sign a ten year extension for season tickets as an original PSL owner and shit $3,500 a year for two seats. I’ll pull for a better future from a home or sports bar vantage point until they get some staff who can field a team that can play 60 minutes of NFL level athletics.
"If the Almighty were to rebuild the world and asked me for advice, I would have English Channels round every country. And the atmosphere would be such that anything which attempted to fly would be set on fire."
~ Winston Churchill
NFL Translation: We need the Texan Defense this week more than ever against the high flying Eagles...GO TEXANS!!
I can't fault you for that....
but you will still be watching from somewhere. I interpreted some of the posts to mean they are done….not going to watch until the Texans get better.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Yeah I can't stop dreaming that they'll be worthy someday
I’m just getting really sick of the letters, emails and phone calls to renew. They are crazy! It’s a ton of money for an experience more frustrating than just watching at home. Bad traffic management, idiot visiting fans who want to fight, over priced food and drinks, etc
"If the Almighty were to rebuild the world and asked me for advice, I would have English Channels round every country. And the atmosphere would be such that anything which attempted to fly would be set on fire."
~ Winston Churchill
NFL Translation: We need the Texan Defense this week more than ever against the high flying Eagles...GO TEXANS!!
Good points...
Hey, not all of us “Cowturd” fans are bad!!
I think it’s ok to not support the team if you have an owner that obviously doesn’t care about winning, only the bottom line or making money exclusively. But you can see McNair obviously gives a crap.
I agree....
I have met a few diehard cowboy fans. Even ones willing to own up to Aickman’s 1-15 season, and even one that pointed out ya’lls 2-12 (I think, and I’m being too lazy to go verify) first season.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
QB talk is pissing me off
Schaub isn’t allowed to have a bad game? Peyton Manning threw 4 picks last week… Do you guys not remember Schaub throwing for 497 yards in week 2? This guy is good, really good.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
by .Bonzo on Dec 2, 2010 11:15 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
week 2?
dude its week 13. i’d trade a 500 yd day for 12 consistent, productive days. and plus, 17 tds and 8 picks? not exactly lighting the world on fire. we know his arm strength isnt there, and its hurt us in games. i love his accuracy, the way he battles back, and he has been more clutch this yr, there just isnt another step for him to take. he’s also slow as balls on the rollouts and wont scramble for impt downs.
believe me, ive been a schaub fan, i’ll definitely keep giving him the benefit of the doubt for now, but he’s not as good i thought he was.
KP
17tds and 8 picks is nothing to complain about.
With Foster doing so well, you would think people would understand the dip in Schaub’s numbers.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
understand it
and trust me, schaub isnt high on the priority list right now. just saying he hasnt had that great of a season. part due to arian, part due to OC change, part due to some mistakes.
KP
I guess so.
I just angry. I’m just mad at people saying that we need to draft a QB in the first round. It’s like they don’t realize the defense gave up 34 pts tonight.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
Look at the teams the Chiefs have faced
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
Plus if you watched their games early in the season...
Cassel’s passes could not be caught or intercepted they were so bad.
Each and every QB is only as good as his receivers.
Houston Texans - Once again proving it's possible to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
get open?
all receivers other than AJ need to actually catch direct passes thrown at their chests
I’m looking at you, Jacoby, K Dub, Dreesen.
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen each of these drop what should have been caught. But my memory could be faulty =P.
The coaches need to drill focus into our players.
Jacoby — he may be “athletic” but he’s NEVER had the focus to be consistent. He might as well be another Ocho-cinco for all I care.
K-dub — he was sooo much better last year. is he injured? does he forget he’s in the middle of a football game? He’s dropped more than one that he should have caught. this goes back to the coaches. The level of practice should be so intense that the right motions are instant reaction not something you have to think about even for half a second.
more players need to learn to react to situations like Andre does. He KNOWS when to let a ball go uncaught or when to go out of bounds. they have a huge resource with someone like Andre on the team .. they need to model after him more.
by BattleRedFan on Dec 3, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
I thought Jacoby was going to have a breakout year...
both as a kick returner and a deep threat to compliment AJ. Maybe he started to believe his own hype…
IMPROVEMENT THROUGHOUT
For today’s game, I would have to put the loss on Schaub. I can’t say that I’m surprised, because even though he did throw for a lot of yards last year, he has always thrown an untimely pick, and the fumble and pick today were both at the worst time. If not for the pick at the end of the first half, they likely would have been tied at the end of the half. One game that comes to mind last year is the Cardinals game where he threw a pick 6 on an out route.
The only reason he was in the Pro Bowl last year was because 3 or 4 QBs ahead of him didn’t want to participate, or couldn’t.
As far as the defense, I thought that they played fairly descendly today. Probably one of their better games. True, giving up a 3rd and 19 is never going to help you out, but the Eagles did the same thing and they won the game, so I can’t blame the defense for this one. I think in the 4th, they got worn down. I agree with one of the other bloggers in that, I don’t believe the coordinator will make a difference. They just don’t have the talent in the secondary.
The officials can take some blame with two more than obvious pass intereference no calls, as well as offensive holding throughout the game that wasn’t called. Also, I don’t se how they could overturn the call on the field with the third down, unless they had some angles they weren’t showing us on TV. The roughing the passer calls that weren’t called weren’t that major, but I’ve seen much less called and worse not called.
It seemed like they abandoned the run on the third to last drive, which could have taken the ball out of Shaub’s hands more.
As far as Shaub being a really good quarterback, that he may be, but he is not a great quarterback. The difference between he and Peyton Manning is that Peyton Manning can throw four picks in a game and still give you a chance to win. Matt Shaub isn’t going to do that, at least not at this point. Peyton Manning has helped his team go to the AFC Championship Game several times. Matt Shaub hasn’t helped his team even yet get to the playoffs. And interceptions aren’t the only thing that constitute a bad game. Shaub has had other bad games this year. Games where he hasn’t gotten rid of the ball in a timely manner leading to sacks, being what he’s done mostly this year. He’s never shown me anything that makes me think that he can lead this or any other team to at least a good playoff run. He could probably get them to the playoffs, I don’t think he would ever get them through the playoffs.
LMAO
Our defense gave up THIRTY THREE points. And its our QB, who had only 3 poitns scored off his turnovers, fault. Good one.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
You can look at it that way
And maybe I’m being a bit optimistic, but at the end of the half, if Schaub doesn’t throw the interception, they could have gone down and gotten at least 3 points, and the Eagles probably wouldn’t have had time to score). Without the fumble, let’s say they are able to get a field goal. That’s what makes the difference. And I’m not saying the defense didn’t contribute to the loss, but they’re not the only reason, and actually I’m surprised they only gave up 34.
by Pensive Texan on Dec 3, 2010 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
Our end of first half game management is the stuff of legends.
As in we are legendarily crappy at it.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 3, 2010 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
You realize the fumble
was because the defense could rush the passer with no worries at all about a run game? Thats what happens at the end of games when you are down.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
The fumble
was because he didn’t see the corner blitz coming, which wasn’t really hidden at the time of the snap. They still could have run the ball, if they wanted to (coaches’ play calling), but as the QB, you’ve got to recognize where the blitz is coming from.
by Pensive Texan on Dec 3, 2010 1:40 AM CST up reply actions
Although
in my drowsy state I could misremember and be thinking the fumble is when they were down 3 instead of when they were already down by 10.
by Pensive Texan on Dec 3, 2010 1:42 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry
You’re right. it wasn’t the fumble down by three. It was the throw into the ground when he might have gotten the first down by running that stalled that drive.
by Pensive Texan on Dec 3, 2010 1:45 AM CST up reply actions
I agree that play by Schaub was just a killer...
but the D has cost Houston 3 games this year. True Schaub could be better, but you can’t tell me QB is a bigger hole than secondary/defensive scheme/DC.
OF course QBs
are never allowed to make bad throws ever at any time ever. Thats why anything above 60 percent is considered a pretty good completion rate… no wait….
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Our defense gave up 34 points.
And this loss is on the quarterback.
Got it. That makes a shit-ton of sense.
Oh wait, it doesn’t. Because it’s completely batshit retarded.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 3, 2010 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
NOBODY'S SAYING
it’s all on the quarterback, but neither did he do the defense any favors. And nobody can say that they expected the Texans not to give up more points at 24-20. The Eagles are the second highest scoring offense in the league this year, and the Texans are the worst or next to worst pass defense in the league. The Texans defense gave up 34 points, but the Eagles defense wasn’t so good that the Texans offense couldn’t have done the same.
by Pensive Texan on Dec 3, 2010 1:06 AM CST up reply actions
Ok
So when you said
For today’s game, I would have to put the loss on Schaub.
You didn’t actually mean it? ORLY?
The offense went on the road and put up enough points that, with even an average defense, we had a chance to win. And our defense just gave up play after play.
I simply do not understand how, with (per FO) the second best offense in the NFL and one of the worst defenses in NFL history, people somehow contrive to blame the offense for our repeated losses. Sure, the offense wasn’t perfect, but it is more than good enough to win us games.
It’s like complaining about a dent on a fender when your head gasket is broken.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 3, 2010 4:00 AM CST up reply actions
If the defense stopped Philly in the first half
An average amount – we would have been tied or in the lead at half – even with the pick.
Hoping weird stuff really does only come in 3's
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 3, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, my financial aid is hitting some snags....
So I have more pressing concerns than a 5-7 football team.
UH?
because their offices are terrible and no one is ever on the same fucking page from office to office, I feel you, if this is the case
"We're goin with what we got"
by silentassassin on Dec 2, 2010 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, it's for SMU.
And it’s not their problem, more of the government’s.
true
bureaucracy at its best
"We're goin with what we got"
by silentassassin on Dec 2, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
getting over it...not really
Feels like I traveled back in time when we went 5-7….oh wait..
"We're goin with what we got"
by silentassassin on Dec 2, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
every time they lose I make one comment then leave for like 20 mins
listen to music watch some vids or something just to get the lose out of my head and im good
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
take that!
To all of those out there bashing their team for their inconsistencies! They’re consistent at getting off to underwhelming 5-7 starts!!!
"We're goin with what we got"
by silentassassin on Dec 2, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
we're a good team thats climbing up the Draft Order
and that one player could be the key
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
This comment hurts the most.
Because it is true.
calm down
we’re one FS from being respectable
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
word.
also, probably another LB that can cover somebody. what happened to sharpton?
KP
Sharpton looked lost
he was turned the wrong way, running the wrong way on many plays. He is rookie, I guess that happens
Hoping weird stuff really does only come in 3's
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 3, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
If that one player manages to cripple Frank Bush in a car wreck.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 3, 2010 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
Why can't we have a bend and not break defense instead of break and break?
I would gladly take the worst defense in nfl history if it left us with a decent redzone defense.
The Players
Comes down to the players and the scheme. But they first need to get the players, which I don’t think they have.
by Pensive Texan on Dec 2, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
I'm of the mind....
we don’t have a DC that know what kind of scheme he wants to run so doesn’t get personnel to fit a scheme….don’t know what he bases his personnel decisions on…yet at the same time, can’t seem to find a scheme that will fit what he does have or to even utilize what he has.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
plus or minus
I don’t think it would matter one way of the other what scheme they would want to use. I don’t think the secondary has the speed or skill to be able to perform well in any scheme. My thought is that just about everybody in our secondary would be a backup somewhere else.
by Pensive Texan on Dec 2, 2010 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
Hey it's not like our best secondary players were just dumped by
…oh wait
Hoping weird stuff really does only come in 3's
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 3, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
Defense
The main thing that I notice about this defense is that, aside from not being able to stop the pass, is that they don’t get takeaways, and that’s because they don’t get a consistent rush on the QB (through blitzes or defensive line pressure), nor are they able to cause fumbles, which most at least descend defenses are able to do. The Saints, for example, give up some good yardage, but they’re always getting turnovers that help keep their games in check. Part of that’s coaching, and part of that’s the players.
by Pensive Texan on Dec 2, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
The Texans got plenty of good pressure tonight though.
They just have a fucking shit secondary and a fucking shit coverage scheme. You’re not going to hurry Vick every play.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Dec 2, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
i mean...
he did have 2 tackles, 1 TFL. if that isnt productivity iono what is. #passthebleach.
KP
Quick tip:
Tackles are not a stat that decides how good or bad you are irregardless of context.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Dec 3, 2010 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
not saying they decide anything
but stats exist for a reason – what else would you use to have a baseline for how well a player did?
KP
Do they track...
Times that you got single-blocked for a fucking eternity while Vick stood comfortably in the pocket waiting for his receivers to get open?
Because Okoye’s would have been quite high today.
Tip
Irregardless isn’t a word :)
Hoping weird stuff really does only come in 3's
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 3, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
+1
for “truthiness” ;-)
One of the best reminders I’ve heard about that is:
“It’s irridiculous to say irregardless.”
by BattleRedFan on Dec 3, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
Inconceivable
but you could say “irrespective” or “notwithstanding”
Someday houston will have a football team that will play at an NFL level, on both sides of the ball, for 60 minutes, for every scheduled game. Until then we suffer and try to support a team called the Texans.
Drunk writing was never my specialty
Kerns is way better at that.
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by riversmccown on Dec 4, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Silly comput0rz.
I don’t recall getting a whole lot of pressure with just our front four. There were probably half a dozen plays where Mario and Antonio spent about 7 seconds getting single-blocked, and finally the coverage (which I thought was fine considering the receivers we were up against) broke down.
It’s a back-and-forth blame game between the D-line and secondary this year, but for once, I’m taking the secondary’s side. Mostly because the yards and TDs we gave up were to RBs and FBs. Really, maybe the worst performance by our linebackers that I’ve witnessed in modern Texans’ history.
agreed.
didnt think our front 4 did the job today. allen/pollard/quin were doing well most of the game. LBs couldnt corral shady or sack vick (wtf bentley), and front 4 got mostly manhandled (at least for 3/4 quarters).
KP
Should be noted...
Arian Foster now has 15 total touchdowns which is a Houston single-season record.
His 13 rushing TDs tied a single-season record.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Sigh.
I feel sorry for Andre and Arian. They are way too talented for this shit.
by DisplacedTexan on Dec 2, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
It's sad how we say the same thing about Andre every year.
It just makes him that much more awesome for the fact that he’s willing to stay here.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
Awesome and the highest paid WR in the NFL.
I bet that takes some of the hurt away.
It's almost like we don't deserve those two
They deserve a better team, or at least a competent defense & coordinator to protect a lead
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by The Night Owl on Dec 3, 2010 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
Fantasy Beast this year...
I believe most productive Fantasy RB.
Anyone else sick of the Vick coverage before the game?
I get it, he went to jail. America loves a comeback.
YAWN
Yeah, I'm with you on this garbage drama they push
He killed dogs without remorse, now he makes millions on camera again….who cares.
"If the Almighty were to rebuild the world and asked me for advice, I would have English Channels round every country. And the atmosphere would be such that anything which attempted to fly would be set on fire."
~ Winston Churchill
NFL Translation: We need the Texan Defense this week more than ever against the high flying Eagles...GO TEXANS!!
He killed dogs on camera tonight too.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Dec 3, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Zing!
And rec’d
"If the Almighty were to rebuild the world and asked me for advice, I would have English Channels round every country. And the atmosphere would be such that anything which attempted to fly would be set on fire."
~ Winston Churchill
NFL Translation: We need the Texan Defense this week more than ever against the high flying Eagles...GO TEXANS!!
We've got like 3-4 years left of any good play.
Think about it. What if we don’t make the playoffs and go into rebuilding mode? How long do we have to wait to get the playoffs back in Houston?
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
At Least 3-4 Years
If we change coaches and then they change everything around, then I would expect at least that. They’ll have to build the defense, though I think the front seven are pretty descend, they may need to redo the whole secondary. I really think the defense misses Demeco Ryans much more than anybody will really talk about.
by Pensive Texan on Dec 2, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
How long to we have to wait at the current rate.....
of mediocrity?
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Losing always brings the retards out to play
at least VY was kind enough to fuck off before it got really bad.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
by nolander on Dec 2, 2010 11:39 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe more than that
If we change coaches and then they change everything around, then I would expect at least that. They’ll have to build the defense, though I think the front seven are pretty descend, they may need to redo the whole secondary. I really think the defense misses Demeco Ryans much more than anybody will really talk about.
just looked at the box score
jason allen was BY FAR our best defensive player – 9 tackles (all solo), 1 PD. pollard also was sick, but after that? nothing.
biggest mystery: wtf was the deal with diles getting PT and sharpton sitting. i think zac got more and still had only 1 tackle (vs rev’s 2) lmao.
hilariously, brice mccain didnt make the boxscore – nothing to report there. wow.
KP
I really want to know what happened with Sharpton
Zac Diles should only see the field for special teams. He’s a turrible WLB.
If they aren’t gonna play Sharpton…then draft Greg Jones in 2011, but Diles should not be on the field for defense (barring injury).
"Lord, beer me strength."
I dont I've had my eye Deunta Williams in the 2nd
the best senior FS in the draft some see him as a possible late first rounder
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Which means you must be hoping the Texans draft Nick Fairley in the 1st, right?
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by The Night Owl on Dec 3, 2010 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
I would love it but they could still draft a CB and still draft Williams
Someone needs to play Nickle and i don’t think Allen stays with the team
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
about the same this year
But Rahim is leaning towards staying in school so it doesn’t matter
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Speaking of tackles...
Schaub and Leach each had 1 – the same as Diles.
/DILES FAIL
"Lord, beer me strength."
Diles and Ewwww
Better not be on the roster next year
Someday houston will have a football team that will play at an NFL level, on both sides of the ball, for 60 minutes, for every scheduled game. Until then we suffer and try to support a team called the Texans.
McCain not in the box score
Because being torched is not a stat
Hoping weird stuff really does only come in 3's
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 3, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Amobi looked decent today
Other than the fact that Mike Vick is, in fact, not human and can not be brought down behind the line of scrimmage.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
Is that why
He is the most sacked QB?
Hoping weird stuff really does only come in 3's
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 3, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
so priority list for changes
1. new DC
2. new FS
3. newl NT
4. new WLB
5. get demeco/tate/barwin healthy and back to speed.
6. get matt more comfortable in offense; make him make plays with his feet.
7. figure out returnman situation
am i missing anything?
KP
haha alright.
maybe it was a stretch, just wish he could run for a first down.
KP
So let me get this straight
1. new DC – Rod Marinelli maybe?
2. new FS – Deunta Williams
3. new NT – Nick Fairley
4. new WLB – Sharpton might be suitable when Demeco returns
5. get demeco/tate/barwin healthy and back to speed.
6. get matt more comfortable in offense; make him make plays with his feet. – Double Leg Transplant with Romo?
7. figure out returnman situation – Trindon Holliday, hopefully his hand transplants were successful
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by The Night Owl on Dec 3, 2010 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
sounds good to me.
cept for the romo thing – i want no part of dallas or their cowboys here in houston. romos legs mean romos dumb, shitty mistakes, his off-the-field distractions, etc lol
re: the sharpton thing – im worried that with cushing, ryans, and sharpton, we dont have enough speed at LB. maybe im off base on that, but just a thought. i want someone who can range and can play fast if needed.
KP
If Schaub could scramble like Romo, or hell even David Carr, he could be very dangerous
That’s probably the one thing those two can do right
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by The Night Owl on Dec 3, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
I'd settle for him being as mobile as Dan Marino
If his arm was more accurate and stronger. No deep ball power, and throwing low, high, and behind is for backup QB’s.
Time to test Leinart out!
Someday houston will have a football team that will play at an NFL level, on both sides of the ball, for 60 minutes, for every scheduled game. Until then we suffer and try to support a team called the Texans.
You forgot
Shove a cattle prod up Mario’s ass and keep him from sleeping through entire games (much less plays), or trade him for somebody who will get the job done.
Someday houston will have a football team that will play at an NFL level, on both sides of the ball, for 60 minutes, for every scheduled game. Until then we suffer and try to support a team called the Texans.
mmmm okay
but i think getting him more help at NT to occupy some blockers will help with that.
KP
True, very true
Fire bush and Smith for failing to get a NT! I support your list with extreme emphasis.
Someday houston will have a football team that will play at an NFL level, on both sides of the ball, for 60 minutes, for every scheduled game. Until then we suffer and try to support a team called the Texans.
It would help so, so very much.
And it makes me hate our defense so much more that we don’t have that. NB it would also make Amobi look better because we would get better pressure. And with better pressure, our db’s would start looking not so sucky. Oh, the insanity.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 3, 2010 12:57 AM CST up reply actions
NOSE TACKLE
I didn’t know we had a nose tackle. I do definitely agree that we need some kind of return game. Our current returnman has absolutely no vision, and you can always tell that he never really looks comfortable or is certain of what he wants to do when he gets the ball. It’s sad that I can’t remember his name and he was the running back the past two years.
by Pensive Texan on Dec 3, 2010 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure
what happened to him between West Virginia and the Texans. Oh yeah, Steve Slaton. I knew I’d remember at some point.
by Pensive Texan on Dec 3, 2010 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
He looks like he's running through tires when he returns a kick-off
He indecicively stutter steps while he expects his blockers to create a mile wide hole for him. It doesn’t happen, he goes down at the 15.
Never
thought about that, but you’re right. I wonder why they don’t have Jacoby Jones running back kicks (figure they don’t want him hurt since they’re not deep at wide receiver) and Slaton doing punt returns. Andre Davis is out for the year, right?
by Pensive Texan on Dec 3, 2010 1:08 AM CST up reply actions
Lately Jacoby Added some kind of clock
That has to tick twice before he starts running. I am not sure what made that happen.
Hoping weird stuff really does only come in 3's
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 3, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
After running into the back of his blockers
Hoping weird stuff really does only come in 3's
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 3, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
8. Restock on bleach?
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
by UprootedTexan on Dec 3, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not understanding the 'Draft a CB in the first round' talk
Didn’t we do that this last draft? And didn’t we learn that very very very very very few rookie CBs play well? Do we really want to spend another first round pick on a developmental project? We need to look to for a good veteran CB. Nut up and put some money down for it.
First three rounds should be some variation of FS, NT, and LB. I don’t know the draft class well enough to know what that order should be.
Because I am a fan of battleships
I vote for a NT, and maybe some solid db’s in free agency.
Oh, and a new defensive coaching staff.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 3, 2010 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
well there are no good FS that are worth atleast a top 25 pick
I want Nick Fairley but we do need a CB to play nickle and may not draft Nick. Deunta Williams is the guy I’m targeting in the second round. LB well I don’t too much about LBs this year. Sometimes teams cant pass up a prospect like Prince if hes there.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Also if the Texans ignore FS again
a new CB could force GQ to FS
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Also I love Kareem and think he will develop Into a fine CB someday
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
The CB's
Everyone are talking about are Patrick Petersen LSU, and Prince Akunamara Nebraska and they are considered to be Revis and Bailey like. Watch the clips of Petersen he is dominant. 1000x better than Kareem. Also, Im really starting to come around on Brandon Harris and Janoris Jenkins as well. I could see all 4 going before the 20th pick. But Petersen is a special kind of talent that doesnt come along very often.
Janoris Jenkins
shut down AJ green and Julio Jones all the best SEC WRs played their worst games against Jenkins
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
he's sick
peterson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swuQoc2jBMU
kareem’s will be good, but he wasnt this good in college:
jenkins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cxPR1aN7Qk damn. he didnt fall down.
KP
Yeah
I see him runnin a 4.3 at the combine and shootin up boards. Hes faaast.
Yep
McCain fast
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by Barryfromtexas on Dec 3, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't be opposed
but there are CB needy teams up that that wouldn’t wanna trade down unless they got a king’s ransom.
"Lord, beer me strength."
we could trade back with the pats get their 2nd
then maybe get Harris and Deunta
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
If both are gone then who do you think theTexans should pick
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Jenkins or Harris.
Get a S in 2nd round, or move up if needed to get Deunta Williams. If Dareus, Bowers, Quinn, or maybe even Fairley fall to them well… its tough is it the pourous secondary? Or NO pass rush? Against the Jets we showed we have a pass rush, so Id go with Jenkins I think.
Get a vet Safety thats actually awake during the game.
Fairley is my guy
we don’t need more DE’s but to get some push up the middle would be great. Deunta in second would be awesome. WR might be a little more of a need than LB because of Sharpton. I would love a 6’3 WR who we can target in the Red Zone and put in jump ball situations.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Andre, Dorin, Walter, Jacoby...
All 6’2’’ or 6’3’’. I dunno if another tall one’s gonna make a difference.
"Lord, beer me strength."
We need
A pure speed guy. None come to mind right now though
ya we do
cept schaub cant get it to him.
KP
JJ is fast but Matt doesnt have a big arm
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
we also need
a slot guy like davone bess. would kill in our offense
KP
Jones is speed
but they misuse him.
Anderson is slot, but they don’t use him.
All the pieces of the puzzle…with no coach to put it together properly.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Walter disappears
JJ is too inconsistent Dorin may not be ready and the Great one well he can only do so much.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
OK, just a quick plan here..
Probably wont happen but heres a decent fix.
FIRE FRANK BUSH – All coaching to do with Legendarily Awful D
Hire someone competent, Marvin Lewis maybe?? Idk
Sign S Jonathan Joseph
Draft one of Fairley, Quinn, Jenkins, Harris
Draft FS 2nd round – MAKE SURE to focus on improving Secondary GREATLY in offseason. No matter what.
???
Profit.
heres your fire frank bush
Minnesota, Dallas, Carolina, Cincinnati, San Francisco, Denver, Houston, Oakland, Cleveland and Miami head the list of franchises with coaching uncertainty. An attractive list of candidates is forming, with names such as Jon Gruden, Bill Cowher, John Fox, Marvin Lewis, Brian Billick and maybe Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh among the possibilities.
But owners aren’t going to lock in high-price, high-profile coaches if they have labor uncertainty. If talks between owners and players break down over the next month, you might see the Cowboys stay with Jason Garrett and the Vikings stay with Leslie Frazier. Texans owner Bob McNair could stay with Gary Kubiak by hiring Wade Phillips to coordinate the team’s defense. If other owners don’t make changes or choose to hire low-priced assistants as head coaches, expect a long labor battle.
Joseph might get an offer but i doubt we land him because this team likes to build through the draft.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Joseph's young enough to get an offer.
They don’t like old guys. The CBA will decide if he’s unrestricted or restricted.
"Lord, beer me strength."
its not that hes old
I think they wont throw money at him like we want them to. Also Cincy is gonna want him back.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
I dunno...
Would rather have Fairley…and a veteran CB. Got months to think about it.
"Lord, beer me strength."
It's gonna be hard to do that
The lions are going to pick him up, their secondary is pretty bad too.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
Revis and bailey didn't dominate as rookies you know
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
PRESS CONFERENCE
Listened to some clips from the post game interviews with Kubiak and Schaub. Sounds pretty much like every other loss. I am surprised that Schaub didn’t mention his turnovers and lack of execution in clutch moments as being contributing factors to the loss and only hinted at non calls by the officials as being frustrating, in addition to the team’s lack of execution as a whole. Whether he takes some responsibility for the offense’s inconsistency or not, I don’t know, but it would seem to help if he at least verbalized it. At times to me, on the field and in interviews, he just seems to give an air of indifference. Not to say that he doesn’t care, but I don’t know how much he really affects or more importantly, doesn’t affect his teammates during games.
Couldn't agree with you more...
Everyone who gets on that podium to speak for the team seems to be indifferent. A little passion any day would be nice. Hell, I’ll even take Schaub getting riled up like Derek Anderson. Just let us at least know you care about this game sometimes…
The second a leader starts to take responsibility for these losses, good things will happen. But, you still need to fire Bush AT LEAST. I mean Michael VIck, alone, had 200 yards passing and running by half-time.
Worry not my fellow fans. Kubiak believes in YOU!
I can't see how this one is on Schaub
I can’t remember who said it weeks ago, but I know one of y’all did: the only way we win games is if the offense is perfect. Schaub was not perfect tonight. He made some awful throws. But you know what? If our defense was anything better than mind-numbingly awful, the score would’ve been a lot closer. We might have won. Sure, our QB made some bad throws tonight, but we a decent defense would have bailed us out. Instead, again, our piss-poor defense puts enough pressure on us that we’d have had to score 5 TDs to win this game. We hung 24 points on a good defense – a mediocre performance from our defense should have won the game for us.
But That's
part of the point. Everybody knows the offense has to be essentially flawless, although I can’t say it’s been anywhere close to that in any of the games past the first four. The Eagles average before the game was around 29 points, so I don’t see how anyone, including our offense, would expect the defense to limit their scoring, which mad it even more important for the offense to protect the ball, and the only turnovers on the Texans side of the ball were the result of a pick and Schaub’s fumble. So, no, it’s not all his fault, but he for sure didn’t help.
by Pensive Texan on Dec 3, 2010 1:32 AM CST up reply actions
Well of course Schaub didn't help
But I can think of at least nine different problems (read: nine positions on the defense excluding Super Mario and Cushing) that need to be addressed before we start to work on whatever “problems” we have on the offense.
wow
that throw to the defensive lineman at the end of the half was CLOWN LIKE!
It was Matt's cross-eyes...
He thought that big fella was Jacoby Jones.
Worry not my fellow fans. Kubiak believes in YOU!
It may not be what you think
The guy was literally falling down when Matt started to throw, and somehow he collected himself to made the catch.
Yes he should have thrown it better.
I like Matt, but this game if I had one way to describe his effort – it is like he was afraid of the Eagles Defense (not just getting hit)
Hoping weird stuff really does only come in 3's
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 3, 2010 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
Did anybody watch this game? We put heat on Vick for 3 quarters, and then we play coverage in the forth. The receivers are open whether you blitz or not, so might as well get some shots on the qb. This team quite possibly has the worst coaching staff in football. I’ve following this site for a long time; this is my first post. Get rid of the cancer that is Kubiak and his staff. Anyone that stands by Frank Bush is THE PROBLEM. Dammit, this team has way too much talent to have a 5-7 record. They have pissed away an easy 5 games this season. Watch Kubs presser tomorrow; 3rd down this and missed oppurtuities that, we need some FIRE around here. Anyone else sick of the passive head coach? When you piss away 4 games in a row; someone should be screaming around here dammit!!! Nice guy coaches are crap; I’ll take a screamer all day
by Ceaster909 on Dec 3, 2010 1:29 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Screaming during a press conference...
Says nothing about coaching ability.
Or do you want Denny Green as our head coach?
Agreed
And rec’d. With a better coaching staff Ive only seen 3 games this year that would be surefire losses: Dallas, Giants, and Eagles – we should be 9-3 or 8-4 at the worst.
I agree with 8-4 assessment..
no shame in splitting with Colts.
This Team!!!!
Is much better than the product being put on the field. Frank Bush hasn’t a clue of what to do out there. 3 quarters of pressure, and then you let off, and let Vick have his way. If I was this crappy at my job; I would have been fired years ago. Thing is, this middle of the road crap will keep seeling tickets, and Mcnair will keep praising Kubiak. Garbage, us fans put too much into this to see this garbage happen year after year. Underachieving isn’t good enough; ugh, dammit, goodnight.
Would agree partially
with that. My only question would be why is it that with the pressure in the first quarter, they still got 17 points scored on them. Second quarter either Philadelphia let up or the defense was able to figure something out, at least before Andy Reid made any adjustments, and Phildelphia really didn’t have the ball the 3rd quarter. I also think that talent wise the team is better than what their record is, mostly offensively, but is it coaching, or is it the players. One thing missing from this team that a lot of other good teams have are veteran players that know how to win and can teach other players how to win, and that’s one other component that is missing (which would fall on the coaching staff and front office)
by Pensive Texan on Dec 3, 2010 1:57 AM CST up reply actions
Pressure and blitzing are not always synonymous.
Sometimes you get pressure without blitzing (not us, of course; but every other team in the league does); sometimes you blitz and don’t get pressure. This isn’t X’s and O’s; there’s a huge measure of execution that goes into the game. And for the record, we didn’t stop blitzing in the fourth quarter. In fact, the forty-yard screen pass they gave up on the last scoring drive was… gasp, a blitz!
The game-plan was fine. For once this fucking season, they limited big plays and kept everything in front of them for the most part. The failures on the defense last night were on tackling, and a pathetic performance by the front four. Watch any other team that has that much invested in the front-four in terms of draft picks and money, and you won’t see opposing QBs standing comfortably in the pocket for ten seconds. Not that any of those clowns could actually tackle Vick if they got to him anyways…
Clowns!
Clowns! Clowns! Clowns! The Texans are Clowns!
RIP EXCUSES (2006-2009)
The First Twelve Games (Where Playoff Teams Are Made):
2007: (5-7) | 2008: (5-7) | 2009: (5-7) | 2010: (5-7)
You are such a good friend that if you and me were the last two people trapped on a sinking boat with only 1 life vest left, i would remember and pray for you every day.
by Antho10000 on Dec 3, 2010 7:00 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
And that summs up very well....
how I feel about this coaching staff/FO. Something should have changed by now you would think.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
So.....can we get some Draft Speculation Threads going?
Time to focus on next season while this farce plays itself out.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU
by TexansForever on Dec 3, 2010 7:50 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I heard a rumor...
I think we’re already interested in a 3nd string walk-on DB out of UTEP for our 1st round pick!
Worry not my fellow fans. Kubiak believes in YOU!
Wasted talent
At this point that is what is the most disturbing thing to me. Sure there are guys on the Defense that we’ve drafted high that aren’t spectacular. But, the way things are going now it makes me think it’s going to be a long time till we fix this problem and that’s unfortunate. Good guys like AJ, Foster, Mario, Cushing… they’re just going to waste away in front of us. Personally, I don’t want to look back one day and revere Andre Johnson as JUST good player and not even a player that was on a team that won the f&*#ing division.
It’s sad. And you know what? Today in the paper they’re talking about how the Texans’ playoff hopes still aren’t dashed yet. “If we just win the next four…” Give me a break. Fire Bush, fire Kubiak… don’t hesitate. Just walk into their offices and break a wooden chair over their heads!
Worry not my fellow fans. Kubiak believes in YOU!
My head hurts this morning from some great dark brews last night
At least I’m emotionally over the Texans loss already. All the excuses in the world have been used now and we are sick of them all. It’s obvious that last night represented what so many of our games from this and previous seasons have: this team is inconsistent, has gaping issues at some positions, and coaches who can’t out scheme other coaches.
Let’s start cycling through the roster to further evaluate our talent in game conditions (I guess that’s not what pre-season can do for this staff) and planning for 2012 (since next season is looking to be a wash with the CBA issue looming). Yeah I know, 9-7 is still possible and could be enough, but let’s stop kidding ourselves into thinking they will do anything consistent enough to make a playoff performance worth getting there. Let’s just stop the insanity of hand bailing this floundering boat, and flip it over and properly patch the hull damage for a shot at having it perform in a more successful way another season. Do what must be done!
Someday houston will have a football team that will play at an NFL level, on both sides of the ball, for 60 minutes, for every scheduled game. Until then we suffer and try to support a team called the Texans.
LOL... How Has Pollard Been Misused?..
You can’t blitz him on every play, and say… “that’s how you use him,” just because the guy can’t cover anyone… He’s trash, get rid of him..
Seriously.
If we blitzed every player on our team who can’t cover anyone, Glover Quin would be awfully lonely back deep.
He's an in the box safety...
Using him to cover a deep zone, that’s not a good idea. You don’t need to blitz him every play, but using him similar to how the Jets use their own SS, that’s probably the best example of how to use him.
The guy can cover, but just not deep…just more of a zone blitzer really.
"Lord, beer me strength."
CMon Guys..
The guy was run out of KC for a reason.. I understand he’s better moving forward, but with our FS situation the way it is, that’s just not realistic.. And it’s not like the guy does enough for you, to look the other way about his shortcomings..
Nolan gives you what Pollard gives you, anyways.. I hate to say it, cause it backfired on us this season, but continue to go young and get a FS in the draft, and then maybe open up the wallet for a hybrid safety veteran, as insurance..
3-4 and 4-3 defenses
are different, and the SS has more cover responsibilities in the 3-4.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I hear ya..
But I think after watching him for a while, that we can conclude he doesn’t fit well in a 4-3, either… The truth is, I don’t know why KC let him go (exactly)..
He fits well when they play him right
and if we had a true FS back there.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Please..
No, he doesn’t… The guy cannot cover anyone!.. I’m telling you, there’s a guy out there that can do what Pollard does, AND COVER.. That’s the guy we need..
It was Kerry Rhodes.
But god forbid we give up a 4th-round pick for him! What on earth would we do without Sharpton?
Sharpton?
was he the one who hid “bookem Dan-O’s” helmet or was he the one stacking blankets? I know he was on the sideline doing something, but on the sideline none the less.
…and Diles is still taking the field in nickel. Oh yeah, I forgot #kubiakbelievesinyou thinks Diles is All Pro material
Time to rearrange my gun collection by barrel flavor…
Someday houston will have a football team that will play at an NFL level, on both sides of the ball, for 60 minutes, for every scheduled game. Until then we suffer and try to support a team called the Texans.
You can't put him in the box...
And ask Eugene Wilson to be your lone back safety. Now, if you get a competent FS, sure. That solves a lot of problems, actually. Unfortunately, they’ve opted for Wilson/Nolan. You reap what you sow, Smithiak. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
No, that's what I was referring to....in what he was replying to
Used with a real FS, Pollard would look better.
"Lord, beer me strength."
What's Left for 2010 season - Not Much
Another season bites the dust. Even if they might squeeze into the playoffs by some wildcard miracle, they won’t get very far. The team doesn’t possess the leadership required. This is one competitive level of play and the good TEAMS get weaker links playing at a high level (think Patriots, Saints). Coaches definitely need to go, they are not believers themselves and therefore just send out the ’just give it the old college try" vibes and worse. One thing I have observed in addition to the lack of consistency (Schaub played poorly last night), is special teams. When they finally went up in the 3rd quarter, they promptly had a terrible kickoff and Eagles get ball at 40 yard line for easy push down the field. If you want to manage transitions better and create excitement, this is where to do it and it seems totally overlooked. There are 3 phases to the game, and the Texans only play 1 to the level they should be at.
I think we're just proper fucked
Some people (ok, all) say fire Bush. Some people say draft new guys and fire Kubiak. I personally feel that we’re fucked either way in the short term and the near future. Frank Bush doesn’t help, but we also have serious personnel issues. It’s fairly obvious that firing Bush won’t fix those. I’m not saying he doesn’t need to be fired- he does- but Frank Bush is only a man. An aggressively unsuccesful example of a human being, yes, but just a man. The Texans are an organization whose choices over the past few years have led them here collectively. Firing Richard Smith (who- and this is somewhat amazing- was arguably less catastrophically incompetent than Bush) didn’t fix the defense because we didn’t hire a real coordinator. We didn’t hire a real coordinator because we hired Kubiak, who is a great guy, but also someone who doesn’t do much to get outside of his comfort zone. We hired him because he’d take the job, and because he’s a good guy and a solid offensive coordinator. We needed that badly at the time. But he’s not a head coach. He’s a good coordinator. He’s proven that conclusively. That’s not a bad thing. I’d give my left arm and a kidney to be a competent NFL coordinator.
Our problems are systemic and will defy any quick fix. Kubiak is going to get fired, if not this year then the year after next year’s lost season spent without even the Texans sucking to keep us company. It’s going to screw up the offense, but it needs to happen. We’re in for another long winter of rebuilding, at the end of which our team, especially the defense, will probably be almost unrecognizable. It might work. I hope it does. I am resigned to this process. I’m not angry anymore. There’s just no point. We all know what’s coming, everything else in between is just details. It’d be cool to be wrong about this.
So yeah. Proper fucked .
Frank Bush delenda est
Awesome movie.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 3, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
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