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Checking The Pulse: Do You Approve Of The Job Gary Kubiak Has Done?

Before you vote, please take into account everything Gary Kubiak has done since he arrived in Houston. In other words, don't limit the analysis to just this season; look at what he's done since he got the gig as the head coach of your Houston Texans back in January of '06. Then, after you cast your vote, sound off in the Comments below explaining why you voted the way you did.

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Do you approve of the job Gary Kubiak has done as head coach of the Houston Texans?
Yes.
267 votes
No.
519 votes

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gotta say no.

the team has definately improved but the only way to go was up, and the ascent was/is not near fast enough. Also he has to take heat for supporting Mittens when coming on board, as well as hiring Frank Bush? Then there are the game/clock management issues, questionable challenges, playcalling, and God knows he is always blaming himself instead of the “kids” so yeah, let him take the heat.

by trex76 on Dec 9, 2010 2:48 PM CST reply actions  

To add on another point

How many time have first-time head coaches been fired and learned that they needed to delegate more? That they had to learn to focus on other things…not just the side of the ball where they had expertise? Seen it a lot…just hope Gary’s big 2010 lesson is just that.

Keep the team intact….improve the defense with some talent and an experienced, strong defensive coordinator…..and see if they can’t pull a 2009 New Orleans.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 9, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Amen.

We need continuity. Let the man finish what he started. He’s learning from his mistakes and is improving every year. Still got some ways to go, but I do believe that he’ll get there.

"Eff you mothereffer!"

-Bernard Pollard-

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2010 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Praise the lord!

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 1:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I voted that I disapprove

but I don’t disagree with anything you wrote.
Can I wait till after the next 4 games and re-vote?

by trex76 on Dec 9, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I couldn’t agree more. We’ve become a team that can hang with any other team in the league… if our defense would ever slow them down. Veteran DC and OC playcalling is a must.

by H-TownHero on Dec 9, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Gotta rec'd that.

I see it the same way you do, DC.

Looking back from 05 to now, he’s done a lot of things that improved this team. Grant it, we’re not there yet. But eventually, with a better defense, we will.

"Eff you mothereffer!"

-Bernard Pollard-

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm frankly amazed...

…based on the predominant tone of the postings here that it’s only two-to-one against… I really didn’t think he still had that level of support on this board.

I do confess to momentary lapses of support, the Jets aftermath being the most vivid… But I just think we are short a Defensive Coordinator to be a dominant team.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do..."

by DilloTex on Dec 9, 2010 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

i got on here and was going to say

We wouldnt be having this conversation at all if Kubiak had a good DC on staff but you beat me to it.

My body has built a tolerance to bleach. My favorite flavor is Lemon.

by BattleRedHusker on Dec 10, 2010 4:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Some personality types are absolutely incapable of relinquishing authority

because they simply will never trust someone else’s judgement over their own. This may be why Kubiak still insists on burying his head in the play chart rather than managing the game. Did Gundy volunteer to do it, or did he do it because it was the only way he could avoid being fired? McNair can say do it, but unless Kubiak can really believe it, REALLY BELIEVE IT, he may never get to the point where he needs to be to be a top tier NFL HC. Personally I would like him to do it because our offense is outstanding and I’m confident that it would remain so even if he stops clutching and obsessing over the multi-colored laminated chart.

Despite our slim playoff chances, Kubiak deserves praise for not losing control of the team as evidenced by an honest effort by the players in every game. We may need a little more than that to bring home a W on Monday, but I’m confident we will not lose for lack of effort. Maybe lack of defensive imagination, but that’s another story. I’m still wondering WTF happened in Philly after we took the lead.

It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are due to get to the big dance...Go Texans!!!!!

by oiler-texan diehard on Dec 10, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I said no

Choosing Frank Bush for DC is enough of a mistake to basically erase all the offensive progress we’ve made. Actually, it DID erase it.

by WhiskeyR on Dec 9, 2010 3:36 PM CST reply actions  

Rec'd

Like DC’s comment, I agree on all points.

"Eff you mothereffer!"

-Bernard Pollard-

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup... what he said.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do..."

by DilloTex on Dec 9, 2010 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep, what they all said.

"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli

by texanslady on Dec 9, 2010 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with this fully

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by The Night Owl on Dec 9, 2010 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe that he has done a great job.

All he needs is a competent DC and we are set. I’d hate for him to leave and then some other coach comes In and wins a super bowl with a team he built. I’d be estatic but also would credit him.

by fgp on Dec 9, 2010 4:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I’m with KuKu

unless Bush is here next year. Bush needs to be gone.

by doogiehowserMD on Dec 9, 2010 4:07 PM CST reply actions  

wish there was a maybe button

i agree with what TexansDc said, Kub looks so frustrated in press game interviews he needs to hand over the defensive playbook to(hate to say it but) frank bush or the next guy who comes in now that hes on the field instead of the box..This team can play with any team in the league and beat` em too just need that X factor

Kub takes the blame when its really not his fault honestly dunta robinson should have stay so they stuck with the youngest secondary next to the patriots.demeco got hurt so now who makes the adjustments??just bad luck to me

If Kub get fired we have to get a top notch coach to make up for it and not settle for a
bullshitter.

by irephou on Dec 9, 2010 4:16 PM CST reply actions  

The HC

is responsible for both sides of football. Kubiak is on pace to have NFL’s worst defense in history = can’t approve of him.

"You don't have bad luck. Bad things happen to you because you are a dumbass" - That 70's Show. Fire Frank Bush!

by RocketsAstros on Dec 9, 2010 4:29 PM CST reply actions  

45 voted yes?

Wow. Glad im not the only one who thinks that.

"Eff you mothereffer!"

-Bernard Pollard-

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2010 4:34 PM CST reply actions  

Just think...

What if we hired a competent Defensive Coordinator two years ago, instead of Frank Bush?

I hate these kinds of mistakes. That’s a 2 year setback.

And its Kubiak’s error.

by WhiskeyR on Dec 9, 2010 4:36 PM CST reply actions  

Not entirely his fault.

Who else was available as DC? Who saw Frank Bush being worse than Richard Smith? Well, I did, but you can’t fault the man for being optimistic and promoting from within.

"Eff you mothereffer!"

-Bernard Pollard-

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Ummm....Gregg Williams was available

Kubiak didn’t even interview him. He went to New Orleans instead and they haven’t stopped partying here since

by LouisianaTexan on Dec 9, 2010 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Williams didn't interview anywhere but NO

because of his family relations there. In the end, Kubiak never got the chance to even think about interviewing him.

"Eat Well, Stay Fit, Die Anyway" - Ancient Chinese Proverb

by Hugh Jarce on Dec 9, 2010 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Rod Marinelli

What happened to Rod Marinelli when theygot a chance to interview him?
Rod Marinelli >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank ‘worst effensive coordinator in NFL history’ Bush.
It seems Gary was already set on F Bush and just want to go through the motions of interviewing other coaches.
My perception only though.

by b0wse on Dec 10, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh.

Marinelli had ties to Chicago (Lovie Smith). I don’t think we had a great shot at him, anyways.

by Nashmeister on Dec 10, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, it was certainly a mistake.

And we can either hold that against him and fire him, despite the other positives he brings to the table (having built a team that is able to hang with most other teams over the past two seasons even with an incompetent DC), or we can fix that problem, then see how the team fairs with Kubiak’s offensive genius + a solid defense.

Maybe Kubiak is incapable of coaching a good defense and it’s more his fault than Bush or the players, but I don’t buy that.

by Nashmeister on Dec 9, 2010 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

If he had fired Bush

then i would have voted yes

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

by Joe25 on Dec 9, 2010 4:37 PM CST reply actions  

He cut Petey Faggins

and David Carr. Was that not enough for you?!

"Eff you mothereffer!"

-Bernard Pollard-

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I voted yes. but he still needs to cut Wilson & fire Bush

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by The Night Owl on Dec 9, 2010 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

But bush is just that bad

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

by Joe25 on Dec 9, 2010 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

"Eff you mothereffer!"

-Bernard Pollard-

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2010 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

In other news..

Jerimiah Johnson signed with Denver

by fgp on Dec 9, 2010 4:37 PM CST reply actions  

Damn, oh well

We’ve been doing pretty good with Foster & Ward

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by The Night Owl on Dec 9, 2010 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Kubiak in a vacuum

You can’t judge Kubiak’s performance in a vacuum. Sure, the team is much better however we have to look at what other organizations have been able to accomplish in less time. It wasn’t that long ago that we were checking off Baltimore as an easy win. Then they brought in Harbaugh and are now a perennial playoff team.

The next question you have to ask is if the team is getting better?

Lastly, can you see a clear path and concise plan to get the team to a championship level?

Based on this criteria there is no way I can approve of the job that he has done.

It's Our Time.... or something...

by bennprince on Dec 9, 2010 4:44 PM CST via mobile reply actions   2 recs

Baltimore was never an easy win.

IMO. They have a solid core of players and a great defense. The only thing Ozzie and Harbaugh needed was an offense. And they have that now.

"Eff you mothereffer!"

-Bernard Pollard-

by Jordann on Dec 9, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

VERY late to this post.....

but was looking for a place to put this.

I just don’t know how to interpret the numbers we have in front of us…..we all admit Kubiak took over a shitty ass team….yet he wrung a 6-10 season out of that shitty ass team. The FO has given him better players (or he has gotten better players, which ever theory you subscribe to) and the BEST we have been able to accomplish is 9-7?

Someone put up a stat that the Texans have been 5-7 after 12 games, every year Kubiak has been here. Or was it every yr since his first year…..I don’t even know where to go look it up. Regardless, what does that say about this team…..players or coaching?

I have been on this blog for last season and this season and been watching the Texans since their inception…..and I said before I got on the blog and since I got on here we continue to say the same thing…..the team NEVER looks prepared! THAT is squarely on the coaches.

I think it comes back to Kubiak…..an teams attitude starts at the top.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Dec 14, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I disapprove of the job Kubiak is doing.

However, I still think he has potential and this team has come a long way under him. If we could do something to improve the damn defense, the question of firing him or not becomes moot.

Bush must go. In fact, short of sending him to Tennessee or Indianapolis, I think we need to dress him up as a giant Jimmy Dean breakfast sausage and toss him head-first into a pit of hungry hyenas.

I would give Kubiak one final chance to get his defense in order, by hiring a proven, capable defensive coordinator. If he screws the pooch again, I say toss him and damn the consequences; because then it becomes a question of his decision-making skills.

I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!

by UprootedTexan on Dec 9, 2010 4:50 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Minor edit needed

In fact, short of sending him to Tennessee or Indianapolis, I think we need to dress him up as a giant Jimmy Dean breakfast sausage and toss him head-first into a pit of hungry hyenas a Cowboys fan & have him take a long walk through Philadelphia.

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by The Night Owl on Dec 9, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I like that one!

Currently searching for a better signature.

by einman77 on Dec 9, 2010 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I much as I hate Philly..

I wouldn’t wish that on my worst Enemy…

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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 12, 2010 8:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Hiring a DC and

Sombody taking him by the hand and guiding him where the game and play clock live and teaching him how time-outs work. Maybe… just maybe putting a single sideline aimed route into the playbook. I mean other than the D, the clock management is my major complaint. Yes, I’m on decaf now and no zima in sight. Sorry ya’ll.

Houston Texans - Once again proving it's possible to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

by DTango on Dec 9, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

50/50.....kinda like Gary's record

Without a Neutral option this one was tough. First, I have always given Kubiak credit for the good he’s done, like tossing Carr to the curb and bringing in Schaub, who he turned into a Pro Bowl MVP (since he taught little Shanny everything he knows about OC’ing I give Kubiak credit here).

He’s given us a top flight offense, our first winning season in franchise history, and the current NFL rushing leader. Those are things that can’t be discounted.

BUT……..I had to vote no here, for the simple reason of sticking with Frank Bush. I can give him a pass for the clock management issues and other coaching quirks, but I absolutely cannot stomach his stubbornness to let Bush run our season straight into the ground. Being a head coach means making the toughest decisions, and firing a good friend is as tough as it gets.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Dec 9, 2010 4:54 PM CST reply actions  

Your last sentence sums it up

Very well but. I’d Rec if I wasnt on my devil phone!

by AllenOU on Dec 9, 2010 5:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

No, we haven't

You’re absolutely right, we should be blowing out weaker teams but we always manage to play even those games too close. Good teams know how to put bad teams away and we simply don’t do that when we should.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Dec 9, 2010 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Ditto

…and Alan Burge’s take on this subject is why I voted No as well.

by b0wse on Dec 10, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Too Conservative

Have to be behind to play good. Have to behind going into the 4th quarter to have a chance. Not a good coach.

On another note, this might be the only time in history I will ever root for the Cowgirls and Traitors in a one week span. SUCK IT PEYTON. :)

by forloveofthegam3 on Dec 9, 2010 5:36 PM CST reply actions  

Have y'all seen the bowl game gift baskets

Okie state is getting hooked the fuck up!

What are the horns getting….. Wait…..

by AllenOU on Dec 9, 2010 5:37 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Christmas & New Year's Day off

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by The Night Owl on Dec 9, 2010 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

a new OC

And that is worth more than any gift basket.

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by Shake on Dec 10, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I had to say yes...

because Gary Kubiak drug us out of the sewer, but he has put us in some ugly clothes.

GO TEXANS!!!!

Our time will come...

by Texanmaniac on Dec 9, 2010 7:38 PM CST reply actions  

I agree with a lot of what has been said here.

It reminds me of how I felt last year. I’ve been a Kubiak supporter all the way and realistically I have no idea who can replace him and not lose offensive ground. But I also think he is holding us back with bad game time decisions as well as other things like hiring Frank Bush.

Each year he’s put a better product on the field until this year.
 
The regression of our young players, as has been noted on this blog, is a direct result of poor coaching and this is the most alarming thing for this team.

When I see this team struggle, with all the talent we have, I see coaching mistakes. I see people who are in over their heads and as much as I like Kubiak, he either needs to straighten things out or we need a new coach. The bottom line is that this team lacks guidance.

To me, this year was his chance.

by WhiskeyR on Dec 9, 2010 9:30 PM CST reply actions  

If the offense carries this efense into the playoffs, Kubiak should stay

But Frank Bush should be fired regardless unless he pulls what the Colts defense did in their Super Bowl run. Even then he’d be on thin ice

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by The Night Owl on Dec 9, 2010 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I have voted yes

because I think he is a competent DC away from having a great team. I do not think Kubiak has neglected the defense. We consistently invest our draft picks, and free agents on defense. But, sadly, his DC hires have been pathetic.

Going forward, Kubiak needs to learn from this and let someone else hire him a competent DC. Kubiak can be in the loop, but should not be the one to pull the trigger. If he is unwilling to do this then my answer changes to a big emphatic NO.

Assmass alone does not a NT make.

by kaizer on Dec 9, 2010 9:47 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

i said no but am willing to change this if he can get his clock management problems/play calling worked out and he needs to get a proven DC. Also get out of the talent evalutating because we passed on willis for okoye…. theres no excuse for that lol. if all this happens and there is no lock out next year we have a shot to go far into the playoffs i bet.

Texans fan and Proud.

by Botarix on Dec 9, 2010 10:25 PM CST reply actions  

Kubiak not improving as a coach

He needed to get rid of Frank Bush 6 games ago. With a weak defense, the first Indy game should have taught him to run 70% and pass 30% until they stop you. He hasn’t learned clock management after 5 years.

They’ve lost five games where they had a shot in the fourth quarter. A medicre coash would have won 2 of those, a good cach 3 and a great coach. Kubiak isn’t even mediocre.

by Gabmucs on Dec 9, 2010 10:45 PM CST reply actions  

I voted yes...

mostly because Our offense has improved ever since he got here. And finding a competent DC is difficult, though I thought about a no because of the Frank Bush fiasco, now if Bush is still our dC at the beginning of the Season I will demand Kubes wife for my pleasure because Bush is horrid! Why is it when our d has aggressive play calling we look ok but when it starts working bush goes right back to the cover 2 which with our Safeties has been worse than having a child with a tits fan and having it grow up to be a cowbitch fan.

I heard Brian Cushing like to do it with girls in a really uncomfortable place and i am not talking about the back seat of a Volkswagen
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Dec 10, 2010 12:16 AM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't mind having a child with a woman who a tits fan

Tits are a wonderful thing to hold and caress. As long as she’s not a Cowturd or BESF fan, she’s alright in my book

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by The Night Owl on Dec 10, 2010 1:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Kubiak is a bigfatfail

I wanted a playoff appearance by now and I don’t see one. There is nothing else for me to consider before placing my vote.

I dub the Ravens...... Flaccid!

by Rip Jersey on Dec 10, 2010 7:24 AM CST reply actions  

But the vote is now

I dub the Ravens...... Flaccid!

by Rip Jersey on Dec 10, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

And I think that it's going to be a very valuable poll to have on record...

…in the extremely unlikely event that the Texans make the playoffs. I’d be really interested to see what the poll numbers looked like then. (Currently 2-1 for “Crucify him! Crucify him!”)

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do..."

by DilloTex on Dec 10, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Too many years of mediocrity

I voted no, because I just can’t stand the mediocre product that Kubiak puts on the field week in and week out. There are two ways you can go when you’re in the middle, and that’s either up or down. After two seasons of 8-8, and one at 9-7, all three having their highs and lows, it seems we’ve regressed this year.

The Texans are a pretty talented team (no ‘home team talent’ bias here, I’m from Canada haha)…but they commit the small errors that lose games. These errors point to deficiencies in coaching. Good coaching is what makes the difference when the team comes out of the tunnel and smashes the other team in the mouth, then closes the game by stifling the other team.

Under Kubiak, we generally see one to two good quarters of football (sometimes three!), but there is never a consistent effort across the board. This leads to winning some games based on talent, but losing the close games because of poor coaching. Yes, I just credited the winning to the talent and blamed the coach for losing, but that’s the way I see it.

Bottom line, Kubes may be a good offensive mind, but as a coach I think he’s lacking.

by MaloneyPony on Dec 10, 2010 8:06 AM CST reply actions  

This is a very good point
Under Kubiak, we generally see one to two good quarters of football (sometimes three!), but there is never a consistent effort across the board.

It’s what drives me crazy the most. Why is it that we can NEVER play a full 60 minutes of good football?? Seriously.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

inconsistent, inconsistent, inconsistent.....

is there an echo in here?

I dub the Ravens...... Flaccid!

by Rip Jersey on Dec 10, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Ever thought that most of us here

tends to magnify the little shit into a massive bowl of poop when we see something bad happen during the game?

"Eff you mothereffer!"

-Bernard Pollard-

by Jordann on Dec 10, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Consistency in being inconsistent?

I believe that the Texans need to score 40 points in every game to be competetive because of efense.

by Barryfromtexas on Dec 10, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't expect

the offense to dominate every quarter of the game personally. If they score points, it doesn’t matter when. The Colts last night had a couple field goals in the second half and that was it, but they scored 30 points over all and their defense did enough to win the game, that is what we are missing. Our offense puts up enough points to win games, regardless of when they do it. We just can’t rely on our defense to stop anyone.

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

yes

which is less than 30. So enough to win the game. Unlike our defense who will let Mark Sanchez drive down the field in 48 seconds when we have a lead. Besides that last TN score was a gimme with no time on the clock.

Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, perhaps we should think about scoring 30 points more often.

Because with a TD on that last drive against San Diego and a field-goal as time expired against Jax, we’d be winning the division.

by Nashmeister on Dec 10, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Or a defense who didnt give up 25+ points a game

and we would be winning the division. Our offense scores enough points to win games.

Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Having one of the youngest starting rosters in football tends to do that.

Young players are inconsistent (well, not Kareem Jackson—he’s consistently awful). That’s how it goes.

And for the record, no team plays 60 minutes of good football. Everybody punts. Everybody gives up points every now and then. You’re not going to outscore the opposing team 21-0 in every single quarter.

by Nashmeister on Dec 10, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Rather surprised at the amount of support for Kubes here

I admit that I’ve wanted him gone for 2+ years now, but even I’m not as vicious about it as others have been. But I thought that this board was way more on the Fire Kubiak bandwagon than it appears. At least from the comments in this thread.

I even said to Tim the other day that perhaps Kubiak is coaching his ass off to consistently have us in these games late with our defense as shitastic as it has been.

Still, I’m in favor of a change.

by Mike Kerns on Dec 10, 2010 8:21 AM CST reply actions  

All the above is true

Effort isn’t the question. Kubiak works hard, no doubt. He prepares. It’s the results. It’s the total package. You can’t judge Kubiak based solely on the offense. He is the Head Coach. He oversees everything. To use that word, sh_ _ tic to describe a portion of the team is condemnation enough for me.

I dub the Ravens...... Flaccid!

by Rip Jersey on Dec 10, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know, Parcells would want to bring in his own people

Just look how he overhauled the coaching staff at Miami

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by The Night Owl on Dec 10, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

agree with Night Owl

Parcells would want to bring the wrecking ball in and tear it all down so he can rebuild with “his guys.” That would be fine if all is lost and the plan is a total rebuild, but not if we want to keep any of the existing pieces.

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

My Take..

I think TexansDC hit upon it up at the top.. One of the things that really bother me about Kubiak is he doesn’t concentrate on HIS job, which is to run the team (not the offense.. The coordinator should do that).. And consequently, I think his decision making suffers, badly.. The lack of improvement in gameplanning, clock management, and critical decision making (reviews, when to kick a FG, or go for it) is grounds, alone, for letting the guy go, not to mention the lack of favorable results..

He should have been fired after the SD game, when he went for it on 4th and 1 from the Chargers 17 yard line (instead of kicking the FG), when we were winning 23-21 with 9 minutes left in the game.. We lost that game by 3 points..

If he had any football sense, at all, then that should have been enough for Bob McNair..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 11:00 AM CST reply actions  

I think his time management problem stems from the fact he's doing the offensive playcalling

You can get too distracted by calling plays to pay attention to the clock. I believe Chris Petersen at Boise State said once he let his OC take over the play calling, it gave him more time to focus on other things like time management

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by The Night Owl on Dec 10, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed..

By the way, how do you guys include the quotes from the bottom of your posts?.. I have one I wanna start using on all my posts..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Go to your profile & edit from there

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by The Night Owl on Dec 10, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

OK, testing..

Let’s see if this works?..

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by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm actually surprised at alot of the positive comments

and on another note, those who are faulting him for not firing Bush mid season there are a few things you need to consider. First, we don’t know if McNair prevents that from happening with his stance of not making changes during the year. Secondly, there won’t be a good option for a replacement on the street during a football season. Lastly, there isn’t a legitimate replacement option on staff. So his hands are kinda tied.

Now if they do like they did with Richard Smith and fire Bush right after the season, then we know they were planning it all along. If they keep Bush on until next year, then I will lose my faith in him. They need to bring in a guy with proven success with no ties to Kubiak’s past in Denver. I like the ideas of Marvin Lewis, he molded Ray Lewis and those good Baltimore defenses.

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by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 11:07 AM CST reply actions  

I disagree with this part
there isn’t a legitimate replacement option on staff

Ray Rhodes is more than capable, and if he doesn’t want to take over then fire him too because we don’t need people that only want to ride in the back seat.

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Ray Rhodes

doesn’t want to do it because of Health reasons. We knew that when we brought him in. He shouldn’t be fired for that. He’s been a coordinator before, thats not what he’s here for now.

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by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

what exactly is he here for then?

The secondary is the biggest problem of the entire defense, and that’s his responsibility is it not?

Like I said, if he doesn’t want to be an interim fix then he needs to go too.

(of course all of this pointless now that the season is almost over and a change now wouldn’t do any good anyway)

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he's basically an adviser

Now if Frank Bush doesn’t take his advice, that’s not Rhodes’ fault

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by The Night Owl on Dec 10, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

basically as a consultant

He is the Senior Defensive Assistant. Basically a fancy way of saying adviser. He’s here to give his wealth of experience without getting into a stressful position that will risk his health condition. We knew this when we hired him. He hasn’t been in charge of the secondary since 2008 I believe.

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by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

like I said

His advice hasn’t been worth shit then so we might as well can him too.

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

maybe so

but I’m just showing why he isn’t viable as a replacement DC.

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by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly, we don't want to be the first team in NFL history to have a coach die on the sidelines

Unless it was Frank Bush “accidentally” getting trampled on. That one I could accept

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by The Night Owl on Dec 10, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

LMAO

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

lulz

a bird in the hand > a Bush

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by texanslady on Dec 10, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I think kubes has done a pretty good job on the whole.

 But the big elephant in the room is the playoffs.
He has made some mistakes and that has also put us back a few years.
People are pretty hungry for that promised land.

by AlDe2356 on Dec 10, 2010 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

I voted no.

But it doesn’t mean I really want Kubes gone.

What I figure, is he will be one of the coaches that leaves his first team, gets a new slate and then takes the next team to the Super Bowl in 2 years. Meanwhile we either get some big headed big name guy that dismantles all that is good starts rebuilding and never gets us anywhere. I know that is pessimistic.

People think that Kubes does not want a new DC because he says he believes in Bush. Really, what else can he say in the middle of the season, when he doesn’t think the Texans get a new one. What kind of effort would he get from his players if he said he did not believe in him.

While I do not approve oh how he has done – I do not think it is smart to get rid of him at the end of the season – all things considered.

I believe that the Texans need to score 40 points in every game to be competetive because of efense.

by Barryfromtexas on Dec 10, 2010 11:27 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Right

If Kubiak gets canned that means a total rebuild is in progress again. That may make a lot of people happy at first, but only until they realize that it will likely be another 3-4 years before we see the end result, and even that’s not a guarantee. New coaching staff, new schemes, new players, etc.

Since the offense is already established as one of the tops in the league, I would rather see the first step be a new DC only, and let Kubiak stay. Give him the chance to prove himself worth with a legitimate defense. If he can’t do it by the end of his extension then shit can the whole thing and start the rebuild.

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

^^AMEN TO THIS !! Can I get a Hallelujah!

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by texanslady on Dec 10, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd...

…because I agree and had two extra recs that were about to pass their “freshness date”.

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by DilloTex on Dec 10, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Another thought I had...about why I've made a decision to want to retain Kubes for 1 more year...

There’s not really a realistic head coaching candidate that could take this team and elevate them in 2011.

There are a bunch of good defensive coordinator candidates though that could spark a turnaround.

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by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 11:34 AM CST reply actions  

get on board

the Marvin Lewis train.

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by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Why?..

Talk about pathetic coach… Geez!..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

pathetic head coach

but he was a pretty damn good DC, and he couldn’t be worse than Bush.

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Eh..

When, a decade ago?.. And what exactly was his huge insight in calling Tampa cover 2 90% of the time?..

We can do better.. Wade Phillips is better than Lewis..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Phillips is a 3-4 coach

This has been discussed to death. We don’t have the personnel for a 3-4 so Phillips isn’t a good choice unless the plan is a total rebuild. If that’s the case then there are FAR better options anyway.

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Hear me out..

1. We most certainly have the personnel to switch schemes..

2. Phillips runs a hybrid defense, not an exclusive 3-4..

3. As bad as this defense is, welcoming a little rebuilding shouldn’t be a problem.. In other words, it cannot get any worse..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

we do not have the personnel for a 3-4

not even close. No NT. Mario would be a terrible 3-4 DE. Not enough linebackers. Don’t even say move Barwin to OLB, He has never played linebacker at any level, it would just be stupid. We need someone who can get the talent we have now working right, not rebuild the defense for the next 3 years. We need it fixed in the immediate future.

Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I disagree..

Mario would be a very good 5 technique, 3-4 DE.. He would certainly not get the stats he does, now, but he would be about as good as any other 5 technique DE in the league..

What’s laughable is that you would actively campaign for a coach who has been every bit as pathetic as Kubiak (for DC).. I’m tired of incompetence, and Marvin Lewis is the epitome of that..

BTW, I’m not calling for a scheme change, just pointing out that Phillips is a much better DC than Lewis..

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by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Im campaigning

for a DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR. not a head coach. Lewis told the Ravens from dead last in total defense to 2nd ranked for 3 straight years. He was on a super bowl winning team that had absolutely no offense. He runs a 4-3. He knows how to groom leadership in the linebacking core. I don’t care how bad of a head coach he was, many good coordinators can not be good head coaches.

Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, Yeah..

He groomed the shit out of Odell Thurman, didn’t he?.. Once again, he’s crap..

And it’s LBing CORPS, not core..

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by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

keep hating with nothing to back up your opinion

all you can say is no way he sucks With nothing backing up that opinion. Guess who coached the defense with the lowest rushing yards and lowest points allowed in a 16 game season? Its that guy who sucks.

Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Not trying to Hate..

I just think he is marginal, at best.. OK, let’s say he is a terrific DC.. He isn’t the only one, right?.. Then why would you settle for a guy who had 7-8 years to build a team, and couldn’t do it?..

We need a known commodity, and I just think Lewis is not that..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

explain

how he is marginal? I’ve given alot of examples of the good defensive coaching he has done in his history. The only thing you keep bringing up is his failure as a head coach. So I don’t understand how he is not a known commodity. he coached possibly the best defense in modern football.

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by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

OK..

A defense that had Ray Lewis, Peter Boulware, Sam Adams, Tony Siragusa, Carnell Lake, Rod Woodson, and many others.. These guys were so good, that Lewis just sat back and called the same defense 90% of the time..

Can’t do that, here..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

so your evidence

that he is a marginal coach is that he had good players? Seriously?

Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, that, and..

His lack of success, since.. In other words, if it was the coach, it would have been duplicated in Cincy, right?..

Look, there’s a reason why your “hire Lewis as DC” train has no passengers, bro.. LOL..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

actually there are others who think the same

I take it you haven’t read the Possible Defensive Coordinators thread. And why oh why do you keep bringing up Cincy, he was not the defensive coordinator there. Why do you not get this through your head. Zimmer is their defensive coordinator, and guess what, he is widely thought of as a head coaching candidate.

Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

actually

I think it’s a viable option. He’s right, Lewis was an excellent DC, and given the right situation I have no doubt he could be again.

It would be fairly easy for him to turn Mario, Meco, Cush, and Pollard into a similar group as the one he put together with Lewis, Boulware, Goose, etc.

I’ll take a ticket on the train because ANYONE is better than Bush.

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd be good with Lewis as a DC...

I just think HC was too much for him. Too many moving parts.

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by DilloTex on Dec 10, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

when Lewis left Baltimore

we went to Washington in 2002 and they had the 5th ranked defense under him.

Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL..

Can we get some results from sometime other than the distant past, brother?…

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

8 years ago is not the distant past

Some how I don’t think defense in the NFL has changed by lightyears in 8 years. Wannstedt was last a DC in 1999, but you supported him just below this, so just admit you have nothing to base your dislike of Marin Lewis on other than you don’t like the Bengals.

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by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, it is..

Quit fooling yourself..

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by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

no

its relaly not. Lewis is a good DC. You can make all the arguments you have made against Lewis about Phillips.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah.

Dallas has had mostly respectable defenses under Phillips. Cincinnati has had one good defense in seven years (that got exposed and destroyed in the second-half of the season) and then promptly went back to being awful.

by Nashmeister on Dec 10, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

All was wrong

I meant in general as a head coach he wasn’t all that great at his job., not specifically about his D while he was there.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

And Another Thing..

I don’t want Lewis as the DC, because I thinks he’s proven that he’s a bungling mess as a coach (pardon the pun).. I watch the games, and I’m shocked the guy wasn’t canned 3 years ago.. The only reason he wasn’t, is because his owner is the cheapest bastard in the league..

I smoke 5 blunts a day, at least, and I’m way more organized than Marvin Lewis.. Once again, we can do better..

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by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

You really need to realize

that there is a huge difference between being a coordinator and a coach.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

"You Really Need To Realize"..

Thanks, but I’ve been watching the NFL for about 35 years, so I know the difference..

And thanks for talking to me like I’m 12 years old… That’s always such a nice experience..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Smoke weed for 35 years now too?

It shows with the way you argue, Cheech.

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-Bernard Pollard-

by Jordann on Dec 10, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Anyone that tries to talk about 2002...

…like it’s ancient history has the maturity level of a 6-year-old, so take that being treated like a 12-year-old as an example of the courtesy of the community.

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by DilloTex on Dec 10, 2010 8:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Correct

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

He did in Baltimore..

Which is what I was speaking of..

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by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

He had Siragusa and fucking Sam Adams

as DTs. They do not fit your typical tampa 2 mold AT ALL.

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by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I went to school with Sam Adams..

And yes, Lewis ran a base cover 2 scheme in Baltimore..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

cover 2

is not always tampa 2.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL..

Yeah… The MLB drops a little deeper, thanks..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually no

saying Tampa 2 also implies a lot about the type of LBs and DTs that are on your team.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Wrong..

The Tampa Cover 2 scheme is actually a cover 3 scheme, because the MLB drops much deeper.. That’s the difference..

But go ahead and say I’m wrong..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

You're wrong
The Tampa 2 scheme relies heavily on extremely speedy defensive players and a hard hitting secondary that loves to gang tackle. Further, the Tampa 2 expects everyone to tackle in the run game; the safeties, the cornerbacks, and everyone in between.

- Article on Tampa 2

While the MLB does cover more field, the defensive scheme calls for faster players (traditionally smaller) players.

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by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Watch it now

roo has watched football for 35 YEARS

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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL..

You realize that was in response to someone basically saying I don’t know the difference between a HC, and a DC, right?..

I mean, lol, never mind that he was speaking to me like I was a 12 year old, right, it’s let’s attack roo day!..

Hilarious..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

you keep saying that his success or failures as a head coach predicate whether or not he will be successful as a DC. Its simply not true, and I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I NEVER SAID THAT!..

Jesus Christ!… When did I say anything like that, you ***king imbecile?..

I swear to God, you people have to be the dumbest idiots on the face of the planet!..

I said we could do better!..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

pretty close
I don’t want Lewis as the DC, because I thinks he’s proven that he’s a bungling mess as a coach (pardon the pun)

So you didn’t outright say it, but most anyone with a brain will interpret the way I did.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Or..

It could be interpreted that Lewis has to rebuild his reputation, a bit, before he can get another coveted job.. Which may be overstating it, a bit, with the Texans DC position (LOL), but that’s the way I feel about it..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Putting Words Itno My Mouth Is Infinitely Worse..

Than hurting my feelings.. Quit doing that shit!..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, 'cause all those words are crowding his feet.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do..."

by DilloTex on Dec 10, 2010 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally

I see condescension in only one direction.

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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

+1

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh My God..

Lemme get this straight, the MLB does drop deeper, and cover more ground, but I’m wrong?..

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!.. It’s worse than I thought, around here!..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

You are ignoring everything else

about the DTs and LBs that was brought up. No one is claiming that the MLB doesn’t drop back deeper, but we are claiming that there is more to the tampa 2 then that.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

You're Talking Parts..

And I’m talking scheme.. The only difference between a cover 2 scheme, and the Tampa Cover 2, is the drop of the MLB..

I was actually quite correct..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Now you are trying to win the argument

on technicalities?

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I won the argument an hour ago..

The only scematic difference between the 2, is the drop of the MLB..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Again...

Roo: “The Tampa Cover 2 scheme is actually a cover 3 scheme, because the MLB drops much deeper.. That’s the difference..”

Proof above says otherwise. In said instance, you were wrong that the MLB’s coverage responsibilities were the only difference.

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by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

It is the Only Scematic Difference..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

No

he didn’t

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

the defense

that will be whooping our asses on monday night is a product of Marvin Lewis.

Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL... Huh?..

Dude, only 2 players on that defense were there when Lewis was the defensive co-ordinator.. And to tell you the truth, I’m not sure if Ed Reed was there when Lewis was.. Maybe for a year..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

ya that Ray Lewis guy

is just some unimportant dude. He won a super bowl with a dominant defense with Trent Dilfer at QB. TRENT MOTHER FING DILFER.

Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL.. OK..

The 2000 Ravens defense was a product of Marvin Lewis… Not the defense that’s coming in on Monday.. You’re talking about 11 years, brother..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes

I’m sure he did nothing to leave his mark on a defense that went from the basement of the NFL in the 90s to one of the top 3 for a decade in the 2000s, especially considering their best current player was groomed by Lewis. Here’s an interesting fact, the year after he left Baltimore their defense went from 2nd to 22nd before getting back on track the following year. You think the guy doesn’t know how to coach a defense?

Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that was 2000..

And this is 2010.. And yes, other than last season, I haven’t seen much in the Bengals defense that would make me need to do this..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

your head sure is thick

He is not the defensive coordinator for the Bengals, that would be Zimmer. Why does it matter how he has done as a head coach, that is not what we want him for.

Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

You keep saying that..

I know he is a HC.. But he was hired for his defense, and he works with the defense..

That’s like saying the Texans offense isn’t a product of Gary Kubiak, which is patently stupid..

But go ahead, call me thick headed, just because I disagree with you.. LOL..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

There are plenty of head coaches

who do not run either the defense or the offense and actually let their coordinators handle those things. Just because Kubiak doesn’t doesn’t man no one does.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

So, Give Him a Pass, Then?..

He had nothing to do with it, even though he’s the Head Fricken Coach, and he was hired for his defensive prowess?..

“Cause I Know That the Hypnotized Never Lie”..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

explain Dom Capers then

Pretty terrible HC while he was here in Houston but went back to being a top notch DC in Green Bay immediately after.

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, For Christ's Sake!..

What does anybody else have to do with it?!.. If you wanna talk Marvin Lewis, then why the heck would you bring up Dom Capers?..

Hello?.. Marvin Lewis has fielded a defense every fricken Sunday for the last decade!.. There’s PLENTY of data on him and his defenses, and there’s no reason to have to use thr trasitive property defense..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

you're talking yourself in circles man

tripping over your own logic

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

How's that, exactly?..

Here’s battle red blog “logic” for you… Marvin Lewis was a HC, so his defense wasn’t his resposibility, even though he was hired for his defense, and he’s been there for 8 years, now!..

We can just chalk that up as being the HC, and therefore, not responsible!..

I’d rather trip over my own logic, than be a half wit..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Its simple

you are saying he couldn’t possibly be a good DC, because his defense with the Bengals isn’t good while he is a head coach. Dom Capers also ran a team with a shitty defense, but proved that he could be a good DC after no longer being a head coach. Its a pretty good parallel.

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by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 2:54 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You could say the same about Romeo Crennel

Struggled as a head coach in Cleveland, but the Kansas City defense is turning around with him as a coordinator.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you

I wasn’t going to waste my time explaining it

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

The Transitive Property, Once Again!..

You guys are just pathetic..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

then go somewhere else

pretty simple

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahh..

Is roo not playing nice?..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

thats...

not the transative property. At all.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes it is..

You’re trying to justify your point by giving examples, when none of those people have anything to do with Lewis.. Yes, it would be stupid of me to say he could not be successful as a DC again, but that’s not what I said.. I said his performance at his job over the last 8 years has been pathetic, and that we can do better..

Now, it is a given that that’s my opinion.. It should be taken as such, and not attacked, and accused of having no facts, when I’m the only one using current fricken data!..

Oh, but I forgot.. He was only the HC.. The defense wasn’t his responsibility!.. LMAO!..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

a = b =c

therefore a = c is an example of the transative property. Giving examples have people who have been in the same situation and him and have gone on to succeed does not have anything to do with that.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

What examples would count?

you just claim anything that doesn’t support you is wrong because its wrong. Dom Capers and Romeo Cornell are pretty recent examples and count as current data by most intelligent standards.

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by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Huh?..

I never said I wasn’t wrong… You see, this is your problem..

It’s just an opinion..

And your contention about Capers and Crennel would be valid, IN MY OPINION, if my contention was Lewis’ performance in Cincy warranted him to be black balled from ever having another job..

I simply have stated time and again, that I think there is better.. That we can do better..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I never said any of that..

Just because you read it that way, doesn’t mean I said that.. I said we can do better..

You are the ones trying to prove some unprovable point..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

What is your reasoning for why we can do better then?

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I have stated that, already..

Not gonna waste anymore time with you..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Marvin Lewis was one of the best DC

in the league before he became a head coach. You seem to have 3 arguments

1) He was only good because of his players. To which I would say you could make the same arguments about any DC.
2)His defense with the Bengals has been bad. To which we argued that he isn’t very hands on with the defense, and used Dom Capers and Romeo Cornell as coaches had bad defenses, yet went back to being good coordinators when they left.
3)He can’t be good anymore becuase its been a long time since he did it last.

Yet you seem to claim you have a 4th argument that we have all missed. Please enlighten us.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Jesus..

First of all, #3 must’ve come from the left field bleachers, cause I never said any such thing.. My point was there is far more current data on Lewis, and his defenses, than 10 years ago.. But whatever..

Yes, I think he had a very good squad in Baltimore, which I think everyone would agree, makes playcalling a little bit easier..

And yes, I mock the "he was the HC, not the DC, because it’s just plain stupid.. Sorry if that bothers you..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

First of all, #3 must’ve come from the left field bleachers, cause I never said any such thing.. My point was there is far more current data on Lewis, and his defenses, than 10 years ago.. But whatever..

fair enough, but that goes back to the other points whereby we disagree that his xp as hc does not mean he can’t be a good dc.

he was the HC, not the DC

You can mock me all you want about it, but its a simple fact.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

He did have a very good squad in Baltimore

but I feel you’re discrediting the job Lewis did in coaching them up. It’s not as if he stepped in to an established defense. Lewis was there in 1996 and helped build those guys as they were drafted in.

Phenomenal talents? Yes, but all the talent in the world is meaningless without good coaching.

Do I want Marvin Lewis as coordinator? No. I’m probably on the John Fox bandwagon, but I think you’re selling his abilities short.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude

stop talking down to Roo. He has way to much experience sitting on a couch watching football to be treated this way.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL..

I have experience in other areas, too..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe So..

But I know that there has to better a hotter, if not better commodity, than Lewis.. I believe there has to be consequences for his falling star..

I would be thrilled with John Fox..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

There will probably be a bit of consequences for being lost in Cincinnati

Personally, given the history of the Bengals under Owner/GM Mike Brown…I can’t fault Lewis too much. Brown’s proven that all he knows how to do is lose (career .357 winning percentage as owner/GM). Whether there should be consequences or not is another matter altogether.

John Fox is my guy though. Seeing what he’s done defensively with the lack of front office support, I think he could do wonders if Uncle Bob opened the checkbook for him.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Isn't Fox basically the same example as Lewis?

Both were very good DC’s that went on to be not very good HC’s……yet one would be a good candidate and the other is shit?

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Well fox did take his team to the super bowl

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by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

True but

Lewis has won his division and not everyone can make the Super Bowl.

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Based on how you judge them

both can be seen as successful head coaches.

Lewis led Cincinnati to its only 2 playoff births since 1990 and has only had 3 losing seasons in 8 years in Cincy.

Fox has a conference title, 2 division titles, another playoff birth, and only one season under 7 wins in his time with Carolina.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

And here in lies the crux of your argument....
But I know that there has to better a hotter, if not better commodity, than Lewis

I don’t give a flying flip about if they are a “hotter” commodity…..can he field a good defense….history says a resounding YES!

Too many people get hung up on the latest “hot” commodity…..I would prefer a proven commodity….and yes his performance 8 yrs ago is proof.

Just my $.02
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by txknight on Dec 14, 2010 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Like my quote says...

“I know that the hypnotized never lie”.. LOL.. Think about it, brother..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually Not

Marvin Lewis was not the designer of the multiple front defense used by the Ravens

I believe that the Texans need to score 40 points in every game to be competetive because of efense.

by Barryfromtexas on Dec 10, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Now, I like this Idea..

He is an excellent coach.. A terrific defensive mind, and whoever hires him, will be doing a service to their franchise..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

like Norv Turner

He was never a great HC but his defenses were pretty stout. Plus he’s a 4-3 guy and he’s available.

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

edit

I know Turner was an OC. I’m comparing their head coaching abilities only.

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

You just discredited your own argument

Wannstedt hasn’t done DC in nearly 20 years.

And he couldn’t succeed in the Big East.

He’s more outdated than Marvin Lewis.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

what argument?

It was a statement

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

nm

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

You Guys are Just Stupid, Jesus..

How did I invalidate anything?.. My contention was, and is that Marvin Lewis’ defenses haven’t exactly set the world on fire lately.. What does Dave Wannstedt have to do with that?..

There is PLENTY of data to work wityh, concerning Lewis, SINCE HE HAS FIELDED A DEFENSE EVERY SUNDAY FOR THE LAST DECADE.. So, why in the world would you need to look elsewhere for data?.. Huh, idiots?.. I never said Lewis was “outdated”.. I said he wasn’t very good..

And BTW, Wannstedt, IMHO, did an amazing job at Pitt.. About as good as could be done.. But whatever..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

you need to simmer down

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Am I Wrong?..

I’m sorry I get a little pissed when someone puts words in my mouth, or attacks me cause I disagree… It bothers me..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

You are the one doing the attacking

Switching to the 3-4 is a huge risk, and yes you can find one or two examples where it worked quickly, and a ton of other ones where the defense was absolutely horrible the next year.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't see anyone else calling names

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahuh..

I call it like I see it, bro.. When you make asinine analogies, and disregard facts, and put words in my mouth, I tend to get a little upset.. I don’t suffer fools, lightly (or at all, actually)..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

This isn't the NFL message boards

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL... This is what I mean by Stupid..

I never advocated a scheme change… I simply stated that Wade Phillips would be a better choice, than Marvin Lewis.. I never said Wade’s our guy, or he’s the only option (unlike the other side of the argument, who is hell bent on a mediocre coach)..

And just how could it get any worse, man?.. There’s gotta be at least 8-10 “rebuilding” defenses in the NFL that are doing better than we are, right now!..

Quit assuming things..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

dude

you seriously need to chill with the personal attacks. If you’re going to insist that people are “stupid” because they don’t support your opinions then maybe you’re in the wrong place to begin with.

.02

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by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Calling people stupid or idiots isn't going to help your cause.

You shot down someone telling you Lewis’ history as a defensive coordinator because the information came from 2000, 2001, 2002, etc.

However, you lavish praise on Wannstedt whose claim to DC glory comes from 1992.

I merely pointed that out.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually..

Wannstedt has impressed the shit out of me, at Pitt.. I thought he was becoming a very good HC while he was in Miami, as well.. But hey, NICE ASSUMPTION!.. (***king idiot).. And my basis for analysis on Lewis has come from his pourous defenses with the Bengals…

But hey, thanks for getting absolutely everything wrong about what I’ve been saying.. Oh, and I know… Lewis was the Head Coach in Cincy, not the Defensive coordinator).. LMAO..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

It’s easy to get everything wrong about what you’re saying when everything you say has no factual basis.

You’re shooting yourself in the foot, but hey that’s your right I guess.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice retort..

Fact’s?… I thought this was the transitive property comment section?.. LOL..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

You have no facts to support any of your claims.

Your only argument is your own opinion which you claim is undisputed because of the amount of time you spend watching football.

You support a head coach that could never outright win the worst AQ conference because “he impressed the shit out of [you].” The same coach who “left” Pitt and got fired from 2 NFL jobs. You lauded his defensive genius, but that “genius” was built nearly 20 years ago.

Your argument against Lewis is because “his” defenses failed in Cincinnati – a place where success has been historically minimal due to an inept front office.

No one’s asking for agreement, but the insults make it appear that you can’t go back and forth with someone on a subject.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I never said anything was undisputed..

And I have stated many “facts”… The “you have no facts” tact is that of a beaten man (and always has been)..

And yes, from being here and reading your comments, and articles, I would say that yes, I know infinitely more about football than you ever will.. Here endth the lesson..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Plus

You’ve been watching football for 35 YEARS!!!! Holy cow! That makes you an expert on everything football related

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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

omgwtfbbq?

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

It's true!

See the 42 claims above! And his first post here.

So, if you haven’t been watching football for 35 years!!! (WOW, 35 whole gigantuan embiggened years!) then you should just STFU and listen to the wise wisdom.

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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Once Again..

That was in response to another idiot poster, who claimed I didn’t know the difference between a head coach, and a defensive co-ordinator… But hey, trample all over the context, like idiots like to do..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Hooray!

More personal insults from roo! Kick ass! You win the argument AGAIN!

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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Tims gonna be angry....

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Kick me Out, then...

It’s not like there much stimulation going on, around here, anyways..

What Tim should do is hire me to write articles.. Then, maybe, you’d guys know enough to speak intelligently about the game..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Sample

I HAVE WATCHED FOOTBALL FOR 35 YEARS!!!! You will all listen to me only. You are all stupid. I win the argument.

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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL..

Once again, that was in response to nolander saying I don’t know the difference between a head coach, and a coordinator.. It was never used in the context that you say I used it..

I never said, or asserted that I have been watching football for 35 years, so I know more.. That is you twisting around what I said..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh really?

You seem to disagree with that statement.

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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Oops, sorry

It was this comment.

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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Another desperado..

Can we get a thread from this month, please?..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, why? I don't see much change in attitude from that entry.

"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli

by texanslady on Dec 10, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

My Attitude?..

I have been attacked because I have the gaul to think that Lewis’ current coaching performance should preclude him from getting the job.. I was told that him being the HC has nothing to do with the defense, even though it’s his defense, and always has been, and I’ve even mentioned that I think Lewis is disorganized, and marginal..

And for that, I’m hated?.. Oh, no, it’s because I said giving him a pass is stupidity?..

I’m sorry, but I tell it like I see it..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

May be his defensive scheme

but he’s not the coordinator. He’s not running or calling the defense. He lets Mike Zimmer do that.

As for his coaching record, he’s won 2 division titles and has performed well above any other head coach in the Mike Brown Era (as evidenced by his record and division championships).

Even disregarding the actual content of the argument, you’re hated because you continually spout personal insults at people who disagree. Whether those people have been correct or not, you act the same…as if your opinion is the one true beacon of correctness. Of course people aren’t gonna respond favorably to you when you act like an ass.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

LMAO..

You’re desperate, yo..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh really?

Roo today:

I never said, or asserted that I have been watching football for 35 years, so I know more.

Roo then:

Trust me, pal… I have been watching pro football for close to 35 years, and I can promise you I know more about the game, than you

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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

A thread from November?..

You’re responding to something I wrote 31 days ago?..

My God, get laid, dude..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Does "never" have an expiration date?

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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Whatever... You guys can have this shit blog, anyways..

It’s about as successful, and well rounded as the Texans..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Complete disregard of proof.

Sign of a beaten man.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Good-Bye..

I should have left when I came here after the SD game, and y’all were talking about everything EXCEPT Kubiak not kicking the FG when it was 23-21 with 9 minutes left.. I should have known, then, that y’all were comeplete idiots about the game..

BTW, that decision probably cost us our season, but y’all would never know it..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

A FG would have made the difference in a 6 point loss.

Okay.

See ya in a few weeks when you return after your dramatic teenage walkoff.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Well, Let's See..

That FG, if made, would have made the score 26-21, and considering we got into FG position TWICE LATE IN THE GAME, but had to go for it SINCE WE WERE DOWN 6 POINTS , instead of 3 (DUH-DUH-DUH-DURR), Then I guess not kicking that FG was pretty God Damn important, wasn’t it?!..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought you said you were leaving...

"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli

by texanslady on Dec 10, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I am.. Good-bye..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

He'll be back

He loves the attention.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably true.

"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli

by texanslady on Dec 10, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, go then... quit replying

"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli

by texanslady on Dec 10, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Dearest texanslady,

Because I don’t want you to get too upset over this, here’s a special link just for you. :-)

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot

by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I appreciate you looking out for me, but I'm really not upset.

Thanks for the link anyway.

"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli

by texanslady on Dec 10, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

The flaw in this logic is

You’re assuming that the rest of the game plays out the same way despite the fact that you’re changing an event.

Assuming doesn’t win you an argument.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

And The Reason I'm Leaving..

Is because you and everyone else is too stupid to understand why not kicking that FG cost us..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

RAGE QUIT!!!

For the fail !!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Your EXACT words were....
Thanks, but I’ve been watching the NFL for about 35 years, so I know the difference..

,but you’ve

never said, or asserted that I have been watching football for 35 years

Oh I see…..we’ve all missed what you put on the end,

so I know more
, but that is how your posts come off…..that you do know more than everyone else.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Dec 14, 2010 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Apparently so, yes.

Of course, I was going to Oilers games when he was in diapers, but I haven’t mentioned that. :-)

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot

by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps

next time act like you know the difference then? Just a thought.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeppers..

You’re the one who said it to me, in a most condescending way, I might add..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

you must have been pretty good on a debate team during those 35 years

“Mr Roo your counter argument?”
“Fuck you guys you are all stupid”

Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 3:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Funny You Should Mention That..

I was actually very good at debate, and I judged them for years..

You see, in debate, you cannot twist people’s words around without getting smacked down in rebuttal… So you guys would have problems..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, you're continuing to sling insults

So I think I know who’s beaten here.

Also, you continued to ignore the Tampa 2 retort, so I know who is beaten there as well.

Thanks for reading.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

endth?

Is the verbiage suppose to add weight to your argument?

by CjScuba on Dec 11, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Some people are not here for civil discourse

they come to the message boards to scream their opinions out loud and then act hurt and offended when other attempt to have a civil discourse with them because they don’t bow down and acknowledge their genius. Oddly enough these people seem to come out most when things are going poorly, and go into hibernation when the team is doing good.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe those type of people are defined as "trolls", are they not?

"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli

by texanslady on Dec 10, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I really dislike trolls!

"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli

by texanslady on Dec 10, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, ma'am

And I keep feeding them. Terribly sorry. I’ll be good.

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot

by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Just checking to make sure I had my terms correct.

"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli

by texanslady on Dec 10, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

OMG, the vitriol that has appeared on this post today

is giving me hearburn.

"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli

by texanslady on Dec 10, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Not necessarily

They aren’t here to make other people angry, just to bitch and “inform” us all. Some of them do turn into trolls.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I've gotta' say that watching the carnage...

…when the BRB community gets tired of being called “idiots” is a beautiful thing to behold. This thread was a surgical smackdown.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do..."

by DilloTex on Dec 10, 2010 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

It really was.

Im quite sad that I missed it.

"Eff you mothereffer!"

-Bernard Pollard-

by Jordann on Dec 10, 2010 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

??????????????????

I have gotten the exact same read as TexansDC on your arguments…..so evidently there is something in your posts that lead people to that “assumption”.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Dec 14, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I've not decided whether I want Lewis or Fox

but it’ll be one of those two. I think their backgrounds, careers as a coordinator, and experience is what the franchise needs.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

It'll probably be Fox though

as he’s got a lot of experience in developing good DBs.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Nothing against Marvin Lewis

I’m not going to say he’s a “crap” coach or anything, he’d probably be better than any other DC we’ve had…

But the coach i’d like to be Houston’s new DC is the guy who worked under Lewis with the Bengals recently, Mike Zimmer. Regardless of what the Bengals have done this year, Zimmer has a pretty good history of putting out some good defenses. He was the Cowboys’ DC through multiple head coaching changes and even adapted to the 3-4 when Parcells was hired… That alone shows he has the ability to adapt with the times as needed and a deep understanding of how to make a defense work regardless of base formation. He’s coached small and speedy defenses, and he’s coached big and plodding defenses and everything inbetween and has gotten at least moderate success from them all.

It’s possible he’ll be available this year because of the mess in Cincy, and because they’ve struggled this year he might not be high on teams’ lists of possible head coaches… The truth of the matter is, it’s probably unlikely that Houston could lure a big name as a DC under Kubiak, but Zimmer is a guy while maybe a little less known is probably about as talented a DC as there’ll be available this year. We’d probably have to overpay for him as he’s sure to get offers elsewhere as a DC, but I think he’s our best shot at turning our defense around quickly.

by Bryan72076 on Dec 11, 2010 6:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Zimmer has been a DC for 10-11 years or so in the NFL

And 3 of those seasons his team finished ranked in the top 5 in yards allowed… with three different defensive systems… He’s about as diverse a DC as there is in the league.

by Bryan72076 on Dec 11, 2010 8:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Thing is

They’re both likely to be fairly well sought after this year as DCs, I don’t think it’s likely either would come aboard for less a role.

And of the two i’d take Zimmer because Lewis is the type of coach who has his own system he’s going to bring with him and it’s a matter of getting personnel to fit whereas Zimmer has shown the ability in the past to create a scheme to fit the team’s personnel and coaching philosophies… I think the Texans have some pretty good talent on defense, with a few holes for sure, but enough talent to build a scheme around and then fill the holes…

I could see Zimmer doing something like that while Lewis and most of the other “names” would bring in their defense and try to force the current roster to fit and bring in new additions to fill in holes… Because of that I think Zimmer would have a better chance of getting production early rather than having a slight rebuilding process when people are already getting restless over the team not reaching “the next level”.

by Bryan72076 on Dec 11, 2010 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Also

It’ll be a little difficult to pair an established coach with head coaching experience with a young coach like Kubiak who is somewhat on the hotseat… It could create tension if the team struggles during the year as talk heats up that the head coach should be fired and job given to his assistant and you don’t want players on the team wondering who’s in charge.

I think it best to go a little under the radar but still nab an established DC with a proven track record, and Zimmer fits that bill almost perfectly.

by Bryan72076 on Dec 11, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

You have me thinking about possible scenarios

If Kubiak stays and the DC is the new face. With Kubiak still on the hot seat, per say, how is that a desirable situation for a new DC…. unless he has aspirations to be the guy who is elevated to HC. Just thinking here. Why would a big-time former HC with a strong DC resume want to come here otherwise, not know what will happen down the line if the current HC is on a short leash? It’s a situation that the team is going to have to deal with, because aren’t we all assuming that at the least, Frank Bush is going? Possibly Gary Kubiak stays and just gets a new DC?

I dub the Ravens...... Flaccid!

by Rip Jersey on Dec 11, 2010 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Yea

But if you’re going to hire a potential replacement for Kubiak, you might as well just get it over with now. If you want to give him a chance to succeed, you have to protect him a little from situations like that, even if it means passing on some of those big named coordinators.

That’s why i’d rather go after talented coordinators that don’t come with the clout that a Phillips or Lewis would… As we’ve seen with the Cowboys, having a replacement coach on staff isn’t always the best way to motivate a head coach. That team became a mess because no one knew who was running the team and ultimately Phillips lost the respect of his team because of it.

It’s possible to get a talented DC who won’t butt heads with Kubiak or threaten his role as top coach on the team. Zimmer is one of those coaches who’s meant to be a coordinator and seems pretty comfortable with it and just happens to be pretty darn good at the job. In my opinion that’s better than a guy who even if he does light the world on fire as a DC here in Houston, will soon thereafter be leaving for some head coaching gig or another leaving us in the exact same position as he’d also likely take most of his defensive assistants with him.

by Bryan72076 on Dec 11, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

If there is a new HC

That new HC would likely want to bring his guy in as DC,

If no new HC, with Kubiak’s shaky grip on the HC job, new DCs might be hesitant to come here if they are happy to be the subordinate, because, where is the security? If things don’t go well, they will eventually sooner than later be out also when the new HC comes in to take Kubiaks place down the road.

If Kubiak stays on for now and a DC comes in with HC aspirations that could work out for him or not. The team does well, Kubiak may never leave and he’s stuck as DC. The team does poorly, Kubiak is out, but that may also be a reflection on the DC, or not. It may be a similar situation like the Cowpukes where that guy is the HC in waiting. Life is a gamble.

I dub the Ravens...... Flaccid!

by Rip Jersey on Dec 11, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll admit up front I don't know Zimmer at all.....

but you’ve given me food for thought. To me a great coach uses the players available to him to get the best result…..not try and force square pegs into round holes until he can bring in the players that fit “his” philosophy.

If Zimmer has actually done this, I would buy a ticket on that train.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Dec 14, 2010 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I think its more likely

Zimmer would be interviewing for HC jobs vice looking at lateral moves on other teams.

Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.

by DaGoaT on Dec 11, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

True

But there’s likely to be a coaching change in cincy, which could leave him out of work there if the new coach brings in his own DC or whatever. It’s definitely a chance that he won’t even be available, but i’d consider his availability a possibility at the least and i’m not sure he’d be a strong candidate for head coach this year.

by Bryan72076 on Dec 11, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Rumor is...

Zimmer’s likely going to replace Lewis in Cincinnati.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 11, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

jim harbaugh

and a 3-4 D of….

mario, NT, antonio
barwin,sharpton,meco,cush
quin,pollard,FS,allen

kjax as nickel

we need a NT and a FS, and we are at the very least

mario and barwin would be great as a DE and OLB respectively in a 3-4

and we would need LB depth, but could grab one in the fourth and sixth and be fine

NO TE in this draft PLEASE

by AllenOU on Dec 10, 2010 11:55 AM CST reply actions  

Okoye/Mitchell instead of Mario at DE, imo.

Mario has size, but he doesn’t play up to it like Antonio Smith does. Trade him for a NT and a draft pick (not that player-for-player trades ever happen… But it’d be nice).

Also, let’s not forget signing Champ Bailey or J. Joseph. Makes that whole secondary look a tad better.

by Nashmeister on Dec 10, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll take Harbaugh as a HC candidate if Kubiak is fired

But I’ll do without the 3-4. We’ve got 90% of the pieces we need for a stout 4-3 already.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

?

We are one player away from a stout 4-3?

"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK

by texanphil on Dec 10, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea.

Just one space-eating hybrid DT-LB-CB-FS who can simultaneously occupy four blockers, rush the QB, and cover three WRs and a TE.

In other words: Patrick Willis.

by Nashmeister on Dec 11, 2010 12:26 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

There is only one Patrick Willis

He has no clone….

I dub the Ravens...... Flaccid!

by Rip Jersey on Dec 11, 2010 8:19 AM CST up reply actions  

No

We’re one DC away from a stout 4-3…..“pieces” isn’t necessarily confined to players.

We already have quality depth at most positions. Outside of NT and FS, the rest just need to be polished or slightly upgraded.

Two stud LB’s and some decent back ups.

A stud DE and one grinder DE, with a possible pass rush specialist in the wings

A quick, agile DT that could potentially get consistent pressure in the backfield if he had a big beef eater NT next to him.

A run stopping SS that could use a little more polish on wrap up tackling, but otherwise fits the perfect mold for a 4-3 SS, assuming he has a ball hawk FS that can cover the back end.

Several very young, but talented DB’s that could potentially excel if they weren’t in such a shit system with shit coaching.

So yeah, I’d say most of the pieces are already there but they need to be shaped, molded, and utilized better by a reals DC. We’re WAY closer to being a stout 4-3 that a 3-4.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Dec 11, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

3 to 4 at least

Both Safeties, one OLB and one DT away from a stout 4-3.

Thats 66-73%, imo.

"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK

by texanphil on Dec 11, 2010 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

He's actuallly saying.....

all we NEED is a NT and a good coverage FS.

The rest of the pieces are already in place. I will try and put names on this, but would be my opinion, hydro may be thinking of other player.

Two stud LB’s and some decent back ups. Meco and Cushing

A stud DE and one grinder DE, with a possible pass rush specialist in the wings Mario, but not sure who else he is talking about, Smith possibly, and the rookie we just drafted Shepard?

A quick, agile DT that could potentially get consistent pressure in the backfield if he had a big beef eater NT next to him. Okoye?

A run stopping SS that could use a little more polish on wrap up tackling, but otherwise fits the perfect mold for a 4-3 SS, assuming he has a ball hawk FS that can cover the back end. Pollard

Several very young, but talented DB’s that could potentially excel if they weren’t in such a shit system with shit coaching. I’m going to put Jackson in here, but that is MY personal opinion, quin possibly, mcmanis.

Feel free to correct me there hydro.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Dec 14, 2010 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

no 3-4 without rebuild

Barwin isn’t a linebacker and has never played the position. We have no NT. Mario is an outside speed rusher, not a 3-4 DE. Thats way too many holes to expect a good defense out of right away. That is a rebuilding program.

Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 12:08 PM CST reply actions  

Very few college players have played 3-4 OLB...

And Barwin, as you might remember, has barely even played DE. He’s a quick-learner, and he’s the perfect physical specimen for the position.

Truth is, as long as Mario is playing RDE for some ungodly reason, Barwin doesn’t have a big enough role on this team for his talent. And until he’s an every-down player, I don’t think this defense is ever going to succeed as a 4-3 (unless one of the DTs suddenly decides to start getting QB pressure routinely). If they can’t get pressure with a 4-3 base of Mario, Okoye, _, and Smith, then this scheme is hopeless for us.

by Nashmeister on Dec 10, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

We don't need to be reteaching players a new position

This isn’t a rebuild. They spent the last two years teaching Barwin to be a DE, now you want to move him to a position he has never played? Barwin getting hurt really hurt us as he was the pass rushing specialist we needed opposite Mario. There was no one to fill that void. Lots of defenses are successful in a 4-3 front. We just need someone who knows how to scheme them properly.

Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

one dominant NT

would solve that problem

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

NT

tend to struggle similarly to CBs in their first year from what I understand.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

so we're

lookin forward to the 2012 season already, then?

"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK

by texanphil on Dec 10, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

You could...

in a hypothetical sense, ignoring the CBA situation….sign Pat Williams for like a year or two while drafting someone (like say….Stanford NT Sione Fua) to let the rook rotate and learn from a good NT. That would solve any rookie issue.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

No way man

That makes too much sense. ;)

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

If pat williams walks

Remember this offseason? There where all these exciting NTs that where going to come on the market… and then they all got new deals from their team or franchised.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Dec 10, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually.....

in a 3-4…..anyway the ones I can remember watching, the OLB’s get used as outside speed rushers allot…..only their called blitzes in that scheme.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Dec 14, 2010 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

No reason to go to 3-4

Each scheme has its merits and shortfalls. Knowing how to use the scheme is the key. A good DC adjusts to game situations where you may only see 2 or 3 linemen and maybe only 2 LB. It depends on the game situation.

I believe that the Texans need to score 40 points in every game to be competetive because of efense.

by Barryfromtexas on Dec 10, 2010 12:09 PM CST reply actions  

doing good is not good enough

yes we are better now than b4 kub got here, but we r not playing to the level of the talent on our team. do i think he is a good coach yes, do i think he is a good coach for the afc south…not yet.

by Elan8081 on Dec 10, 2010 12:13 PM CST reply actions  

Head Coach? Maybe not....

I don’t understand why Kubes gambles on things that don’t quite jive (betting on a young secondary; refusing to change a bad defensive scheme; keeps a pathetic back-up quarterback for this long and loyalty to other players /coaches that are consistently bad) and then seems to go conservative when he needs to lay it on the line. One of my main concerns is that he doesn’t seem able to go off-script and make mid-stream adjustments. Sure, have a game plan, but when balance becomes more important than actually winning, maybe it is time to rethink the approach.

by CjScuba on Dec 10, 2010 12:34 PM CST reply actions  

Betting on the young secondary.....

was probably the biggest mistake Kubiak could’ve made imo, and it could very well be the choice that gets him canned.

I’ve said this before but it’s worth noting again, I get the decision to let Dunta go but it was ridiculous not to keep at least one veteran CB to be a starter on this squad. I personally don’t think Reeves was bad enough to get rid of right away. At least not until Jackson had at least 1 season to prove himself.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Dec 10, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Results and expectations

What do we expect as fans of this franchise?

If we expect to “compete” and have a mediocre record every year, then I would approve of the job Kubiak has done.

I expect more. To me, its pass/fail. If you make the playoffs, you have a shot. We are the Boise State of the NFL. We don’t ever get a shot, but everybody always says we should be there.

I’ll look at the whole tenure and say the first three seasons are pass, based on what he inherited, I didn’t expect the playoffs. 2009 and especially 2010 are fail (unless we pull out a miracle, but I am asked the question as we sit last in the AFC South), and trending the wrong way.

I vote no.

"I'm trying to get a feel for Booty" - GK

by texanphil on Dec 10, 2010 2:51 PM CST reply actions  

Fuck You Very Much, Everybody..

The masses have always been stupid..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

is this

One of those ace rebuttals you were talking about?

Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 6:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do..."

by DilloTex on Dec 10, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Choo Choo! Get on board the Marvin Lewis train for 2011 Defensive Coordinator.

by DaGoaT on Dec 10, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Blah, blah, blah, whatever.

I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!

A word of advice for Texans fans. Remember John Milton's Paradise Lost: The mind is its own place. It can make a Hell of Heaven and a Heaven of Hell. Kinda sums up the last nine years, doesn't it?

by UprootedTexan on Dec 11, 2010 4:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Cause I Know That The Hypnotized Never Lie..

Think about it, minions..

"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..

by roo7227 on Dec 10, 2010 4:19 PM CST reply actions  

Dang I mised out on all the "fun"

How did that happen?

I believe that the Texans need to score 40 points in every game to be competetive because of efense.

by Barryfromtexas on Dec 10, 2010 4:58 PM CST reply actions  

May as well have missed it by 35 years

:)

I believe that the Texans need to score 40 points in every game to be competetive because of efense.

by Barryfromtexas on Dec 10, 2010 6:46 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Right now, roo is looking for his brown pants...

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do..."

by DilloTex on Dec 10, 2010 9:25 PM CST reply actions  

You know

I’ve been watching football for oh, I don’t know, ummmm 39 years or so, and if you want to talk technical stuff about Tampa 2s, West Coast, Ground and Pound, whatever, man, forget it. I will talk circles around all of you…..

I dub the Ravens...... Flaccid!

by Rip Jersey on Dec 10, 2010 10:41 PM CST reply actions  

Ground and Pound?

We’re talking Andre Johnson fighting techniques?

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Dec 10, 2010 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

My bedroom techniques?

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot

by bigfatdrunk on Dec 10, 2010 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, I was talking about what beverage I ned to have in the morning...

bedroom techniques? …..more like when you’re up alone late at night watching cinemax.

I dub the Ravens...... Flaccid!

by Rip Jersey on Dec 10, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Surprised that a third of the people voting voted Kubiak is doing his job.

It has been 5 years already. This year, the team has came out flat in most of the games. I think that last year we were a better team even without the rushing attack. There is no accountability in this organization from the owner down to the players. IF THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY, HOW ARE THESE COACHES AND PLAYERS GOING TO IMPROVE! Any normal person with a normal job knows that if they don’t do their jobs, that they will be replaced. I don’t see that in this team. I am one pissed off fan and I don’t understand how some fans in this blog actually believe that Kubiak is doing his job! Fire the nice fucker and the rest of his dumb ass staff. Peace!

by zitros on Dec 11, 2010 1:18 AM CST reply actions  

Last year

we had a way easier schedule. That’s why we seemed better. While we are the same underachieving team all along.

"You don't have bad luck. Bad things happen to you because you are a dumbass" - That 70's Show. Fire Frank Bush!

by RocketsAstros on Dec 11, 2010 7:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I would like to see the same poll, but for Frank Bush

then again, that could be just me…. and what does my opinion mean around here?

I dub the Ravens...... Flaccid!

by Rip Jersey on Dec 11, 2010 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

It is going to be

99-1 percent disapproving with Frank Bush’s family and the Colts refugee bloggers accounting for the 1%.

"You don't have bad luck. Bad things happen to you because you are a dumbass" - That 70's Show. Fire Frank Bush!

by RocketsAstros on Dec 11, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Ahhh, yes

We can’t discount the squatters. They aren’t real vocal outside of their designated territory, but they can sneak into and leave their impression in the polls….hmmmmm, wondering. They do poke around.

I dub the Ravens...... Flaccid!

by Rip Jersey on Dec 11, 2010 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I do that over at MCM

For instance, as a Texans fan, I truly do approve of the job Jeff Fisher is doing right now.

by WhiskeyR on Dec 11, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Vanilla is as Vanilla Does

How’s this for a poll?
All in favor of more vanilla raise your hand……..

by CjScuba on Dec 11, 2010 2:10 PM CST reply actions  

Unflavored non-fat ice milk for me

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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 11, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

"Oh... and bring me..."

wait for it…

“… my brown pants.”

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do..."

by DilloTex on Dec 11, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

If you google...

“frank bush ketchup” (no quotes) your avatar is way at the top of the listing. Funny, that.

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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 11, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

weird... I did it and "UprootedTexans"..

…ChairmanMeow image was way at the top… Of course I vainly scoured the page until I found my floppy ears at the bottom…

 /smooths ears back and strikes regal pose

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do..."

by DilloTex on Dec 11, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Also in googling:

If you type in “Amobi Okoye”, the second option that comes up (after his name straight-up) is “Amobi Okoye bust”.

by Nashmeister on Dec 11, 2010 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Just checking

It seems we felt this same way last year at 5-7. There were people calling for Kubes head then, also.

I want to hear from the 249 approvers.

Do you think we can improve on the 7-9 record we’re gonna end with this year? What evidence is there that this is possible?

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by texanphil on Dec 11, 2010 10:14 PM CST reply actions  

I voted yes..

and not because I am A ’Boyes fan… I think that you guys are just a couple of players and a good DC away from having a pretty good “D”…

 I have a Question though…Would you guys be support trading for Terrence Newman? if so you /what would you guys be willing to part with for him…

Also considering the Fact that Owen Daniels is consistantly injured which Tight end, Martellus Bennett or Jason Witten, would you rather have, and what would you give up to get them

also do you think that Roy Williams could be a good Addition to your Offense? Considering the Fact that he has performed admirly as our 3rd WR this year, do you think he would be succesful as ya’lls #2?

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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 12, 2010 8:48 AM CST reply actions  

Quick answers

1. Newman – I haven’t watched him much this year, so I don’t know. We need a veteran back there, but I’m not sure he’s the answer.

2. We have Joel Dreessen and Garret Graham at TE, as well, and I’d rather have them.

3. Our #2 WR has two primary responsibilities in our scheme: hands and blocking ability. Roy has neither of these necessary components (which I say as a UT fan). Plus, we have Kevin Walter signed to a long-term deal.

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by bigfatdrunk on Dec 12, 2010 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

#2. Plus the 6 Tight Ends will will draft next year...

…pre-emptive:

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do..."

by DilloTex on Dec 12, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That looks kinky!

"Eff you mothereffer!"

-Bernard Pollard-

by Jordann on Dec 12, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do..."

by DilloTex on Dec 12, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

This past off-season...

I think I’d have given up a 2nd-rounder for Newman.

This coming off-season? Not so much. Lotta options in free agency, and with Kareem and Quin having another off-season under their belts, free safety remains the biggest concern.

by Nashmeister on Dec 12, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

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