Bob McNair "Close" To Extending Gary Kubiak

Posted it

after logging on and seeing no one posted it…then after i finish, i see your port so i deleted my fanpost…

anyway i approve!

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 1, 2010 9:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I dont approve and i dont see the reasoning either.

The last weeks of the season McNair would not comment on Kubiak’s status and made it seem like Kubes had a chance of being dismissed. Now, after one winning season, after proving nothing since his job was in major jeopardy he is getting an extension?? If the Texans lost the last 4, or 3 of the last 4, Kubiak would probably be gone, but because he had a good December (like every year) he is suddenly extremely safe. Kubiak has still not proven he can win in the first 3 months of the season and he does not deserve an extension for another good December.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Feb 1, 2010 9:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

He wouldn't comment on it much during the season

But if you go back and look at his responses to the media when they were trying to goade him into saying something they could make a story out of, he mentioned that he thought the team was always well prepared, said that you couldn’t blame the coaching entirely, and said that he felt the team’s best chance of winning is with the coaching staff they had… He didn’t make any definitive statements, but all of the talk about McNair firing Kubiak came from either the media or fans. McNair has pretty much always supported Kubiak, I don’t think he would have extended him if they didn’t finish with a winning record, but I doubt very seriously he’d have been fired unless they really spiraled out of control and finished 6-10 or something.

by Bryan72076 on Feb 1, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"made it seem like Kubes had a chance of being dismissed"

I think people read too much into that. Because the owner doesn’t wanna say something, it doesn’t necessarily mean he’s being shady and that he wants to fire Kubiak. Like what Bryan said, I think the media just wanted to get a story down so they read too much in between the lines so they can write something about it.

by Jordann on Feb 2, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with both of yall to an extent

but there is no need for an extension through 2013 or 2014. If McNair is worried about the lockout than he should sign him through 2011, but with the long term extension McNair is saying he accepts mediocrity with hope. If the Texans go 32-32 over the next 4 seasons with no playoff appearances what happens to Kubiak? It would be hard to fire a coach who did better over his last 4 seasons than his first 4 seasons.

Its not the extension Im angry with, its the length of the extension and the image McNair is portraying with the extension to a coach who has a losing record and no playoff appearances.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Feb 2, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's his first coaching gig.

And it’s not like he’s ridiculously below the .500 mark. He inherited a mess that Capers and Casserly made. The only season he’s been under the .500 mark was his first ever season as a coach. If you strike that off his record then he’ll be above .500. He practically built this team from the ground up and to have this much success in such a short amount of time is pretty insane.

And as for the length of the contract, you can’t give a coach a one year intention. Somebody mentioned(I think it was TB) that it would seem like a joke if you give somebody a one year extension. It’s somewhere in the comments section here, and I agree with it completely.

by Jordann on Feb 2, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, he inherited a mess, but he has made his share of mistakes....

but, show me a coach that hasn’t made mistakes. There is no such thing. Sometimes we focus more on the mistakes than the accomplishments. I know one thing. He has the support of the players; all the players. That is a good thing.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Feb 2, 2010 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Here in BRB

We always focus on the mistakes.

by Jordann on Feb 3, 2010 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of... How's your mom doing?

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Feb 4, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

She's doing alright.

Still not a vegetarian.

Im so proud of her.

by Jordann on Feb 4, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Like you had to tell Beef that...

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Feb 9, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I see the reasoning...

Jerah Jones extended Wade because of the potential lockout – this was discussed endlessly on ESPN. You want to have some stability…a system in place….blah, blah, blah.

For that reasoning, I understand the move. Do I approve it? Well, I think we’re jumping the gun here as I would have rather seen Gary coach with urgency in 2010.

I don’t care what goes on behind the scenes. I think everyone in Houston knows what the deal is in 2010: Playoffs or bust.

by TexansDC on Feb 1, 2010 10:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I agree with about 90% of this

Only disagreement is with the idea that we have to make the playoffs for Gary to keep his job. Last season (‘08) the Pats won ten games and missed the playoffs. Our schedule is shaping up to be a lot tougher next year. Instead of setting a goal as playoffs or nothing else, I would be happy if we didn’t manage to continually invent new and more excruciating ways to lose. If we put away teams when we had them down. That kind of thing.

But I agree that the reasoning is understandable even if I think Kubes would benefit from a year of coaching for his job. Then again, if things go really well and his contract expires, Bob will have to break the bank in order to keep him (assuming no lockout, obv). So I suppose it’s the least bad option there is now that Bob has determined that he wants to keep Kubes.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 2, 2010 12:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I see what you guys are saying but you gotta remember it is the NFL. And while contracts may exist, the owner can decide at anytime to void that contract. Yes he may have to pay a little bit, but the reality is that no job is safe with or without a contract extension.

I personally support the move because I think Kubes has done a good job improving the team and has the team on the right track.

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by BigNate7 on Feb 2, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

see

Dick Jauron

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by nolander on Feb 2, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think

that this move is to give the organization stability so the players feel better about their positions with the team going forward even if Koobs is let go after next season. That said I think Bob McNair is looking at some of the other organizations, and sees the value of a long term system for making a successful franchise.

You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB

by Texans-Brocos on Feb 1, 2010 10:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Wouldnt Kubes being fired one year after getting an extension

lose all stability with the team and make the players less confidant about the team?

That being said, if Kubes is let go after next season it would be partially due to the players and they should worry about their position on the team.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Feb 1, 2010 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bottom line:

Progress every year. He is obviously building a strong team that will be a contender every year. After 2-14 how fast did we think it would happen? I think he’s done the job better than anyone else could have.

by WhiskeyR on Feb 1, 2010 10:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

yes, he has done a great job.

but i still am not convinced that he is worth extending. i was for the texans firing kubes and possibly getting leslie frazier as the next head coach. i am giving kubes one more year, then i am not giving him any more chances. we are as playoff ready as anyone in the league (yes, the colts and bengals screwed us this year by giving NYJ a free pass) and if we are going to make the playoffs, we cannot lose like 5 or 6 games decided by less than a TD. (2 on the dam goal line!!). one more year kubes, prove me wrong please.

Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
Texans>>>>>>>Titans
Super Mario>>>>>>>Vince Young

by Rockets 4 Life on Feb 1, 2010 10:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Reflecting on the season...

It makes a lot of sense that we lost close games. We’re a young team that had to learn how to win because we really don’t know how to do that.

That four-game winning streak showed me something:

Seattle – We won a blowout and didn’t let up. (How many games have we blown by getting up early?)
St. Louis – We came out awful, but we managed to pull through (The Saints had a similar game against St. Louis this season) (How many games that we “shoulda won” have we lost?)
Miami – We won a must-win game on the road and held on. (How often have we sucked it up on the road?)
New England – We battled back against a good team and won. (How often have we ever beaten a playoff-calibur team?)

Obviously, we didn’t end up where we wanted, but I can say this team learned a lot. Will it pay off? I hope so, and we’ll learn next year if it did.

We’re closer to being a great team than we’ve ever been before. Progress has been made, as Whiskey said, and I have faith in Gary for 2010.

by TexansDC on Feb 1, 2010 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That 4 game winning streak showed me something too...

Gary Kubiak is a good coach when the players are worried about their own or their coaches’ jobs. Every season Kubiak has been head coach we have had a great December/January. This last one proves nothing more to me than the previous 3, Kubiak is a poor coach in the first 3 months of the season but a great coach the last month. Too much stock is being placed in Kubiak’s December/January record.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Feb 1, 2010 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

He’s great when there is nothing on the line…

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by Mike Kerns on Feb 2, 2010 8:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Didn't know that

playoffs meant nothing on the line.

by Jordann on Feb 2, 2010 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Yes, J, but...

You don’t find it ridiculous that every season we finish strong? When it appears we are out of the playoffs?

It isn’t like when we were 5-7 anyone believed that everyone else would lose and we would have a slim shot at getting in on the last week. I think that is an unfair measuring stick.

However, the last two games (Miami and New England) were big games and we won them. So I was kay with Kubes finishing his contract. Or even adding a small extension of a year or so. But THREE? Nah…

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by Mike Kerns on Feb 2, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Kerns

Look, You can’t sign a 1 year contract, no one, including the coach will beleive it is lagit. 3 years is kinda the min for it to be are real contract. a 1 year contract would have done nothing but say "You are on probation, better not F*** it up)

You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB

by Texans-Brocos on Feb 2, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's pretty ridiculous, I admit.

But I also consider it a good thing because it sets a tone for the next season. It also shows that the players and coaches are still taking their jobs seriously, that they’re not just gonna take the game off because there is nothing on the line. I consider great work ethic as one of the foundations for success. And that’s what the team is aiming for.

I believed that it was still possible for us to make the playoffs. And it’s also apparent that the players and coaches believed that they will too because they never let up. They didn’t let a three game losing streak against divisional rivals define their season. This IS the NFL and anything CAN happen. Watching these guys play hard without losing faith even if there was only a slim chance of them making the playoffs says a lot about this team. And that’s what Kubiak brought to this franchise. A never give up, never back down attitude even when the odds are against them. Now pair that with better personnel, what’s that smell you say? Success. Playoffs. Superbowl.

by Jordann on Feb 2, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Chance.

We didn’t suddenly just solve all of our season-long problems at the end of the year. Running backs were still fumbling, and Kris Brown got even worse. Fact of the matter is, we had a few bounces go our way. We’re a mid-level team talent-wise. We’re not going to win every game. Sometimes, Fred Taylor is going to cough one up right into Pollard’s arms in the end-zone. Other times, Moats is going to fumble one on the goal-line one inch from being out-of-bounds.

It’s a game of inches (or several yards, in Kris Brown’s case). Had one of our players made one less mistake, this poll would probably be skewed at about 90%-10%. Hell, if Jim Caldwell had made the decision to go for the perfect season, the numbers would probably be that way as well, despite the fact that Kubiak’s performance would have been identical.

The way I see it, we have a coach who has improved the team statistically every year, his winning % is average despite inheriting the worst team in the NFL, and the players respect him and like playing for him. I approve.

by Nashmeister on Feb 2, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pardon me....

I put out a FanPost when the team was 5-7 and showed that it was very possible that the Texans would make the playoffs. It all transpired almost to the T, with the exception of the Division clinchers taking the last two weeks off and allowing the Jets to get in.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Feb 2, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I personally hope the last couple of games this year, with us playing with a very real chance of making the playoffs shows we have turned a corner on important games. We will just have to wait 8 months to find out!

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by nolander on Feb 2, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You can't point to any one thing that stopped them this year

But, you can collectively point at field goal kicking; lack of a run game (read O-line); the learning curve of putting in a new defensive scheme along with the addition of someone who could tackle at SS and a rookie LB taking over after no training camp; a Pro-Bowl TE having a career season ended by injury; AND, game-plans that plan for a close game and resulted in the Jeckyll and Hyde halfs. Fix those issues and you have a team that can be resting their starters next year in the final two weeks of the regular season.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Feb 3, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Was our defense really that different?

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by nolander on Feb 3, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I still think that losing OD eventually made us better

By not having OD, Schaub had to turn elsewhere….whether that was looking at Andre first or eventually turning to David “Welkaaaaaah” Anderson or Jacoby Jones…Joel even got better the more he was on the field. I felt like we became a better offense without OD on the field.

by TexansDC on Feb 3, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh...and we don't have to shell out a big contract to OD

…and can use that money elsewhere while at the same time now being able to move OD for an additional draft pick or two if we should choose.

by TexansDC on Feb 3, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would argue against that one all day long

The team was not better without OD….

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Feb 3, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He didn’t say it was, he said it would be eventually, and in many ways I agree. Schuab got to the point where he would simply throw to AJ or OD only. I would think learning to get more of the offense involved would be a good thing(minus C(K)hris Brown).

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by nolander on Feb 3, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No, that's not what he said.

He said losing OD eventually made us better; not, would be eventually. Read English, nolander.

If OD was not lost, I can safely say he would have made a 3 to 7 point difference in the Texans favor in at least one or two of the four mid-season Divisional games that they lost in their four-game losing streak; and, the Texans would have ended up 10-6 or 11-5. That would have been the difference between not making and making the playoffs. That is better.

The Texans did not get better by losing OD.

And, you nolander. You add to the ridiculousness by stating that Schaub only threw to AJ and OD.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Feb 3, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Let's start with the stats...

PFF’s offensive rating:
First 8 games: -6.7
Last 8 games: 40.0

OD did not play in the last 8. That’s the simple statistical side. Offensively, we exploded without OD.

And Rip, you’re right. I said we’re a better team without the great pass catcher, but mediocre blocking TE. How can you prove that he would’ve scored a TD to win one of those games? This is a guy who had a career high of 5 TDs. Just magically stating that he would’ve scored doesn’t make it true. If we’re that dependent on a tight end then there’s no hope for this team ever.

Of course Schaub keyed in on OD a lot. Look at the season statistics. OD’s numbers are 4th in receptions, 3rd in yards, 3rd in TDs. He played half a season. His YPG is 2nd on the team. Heck, compare AJ to him after 7 full games (OD went down in game 8)

39 catches, 497 yards, 5 TDs
38 catches, 634 yards, 4 TDs

Best WR in the game and we can’t get him the ball more than the TE. We all know what happened without OD: David Anderson and Jacoby Jones emerged while Andre flat-out dominated.

Do keep in mind that the 4 game losing streak consisted of 9 turnovers, 3 missed FGs, and 10 sacks (as opposed to 15 in the other 12 games). I don’t see how OD would’ve helped with any of that other than add to the ridiculousness.

by TexansDC on Feb 3, 2010 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OD is a game-changer

and, the Texans suffered four straight losses (games they could have won if OD was there) against divisional opponents without him. That was the difference in making the playoffs and not making the playoffs.

The fact that you wasted your entire evening looking up stats trying to prove otherwise speaks to your clouded opinion and makes me laugh. Thanks for that!

No OD, four losses, dude. There’s my stat. Those were four losses against divisional opponents that the Texans could have won…that the Texans needed to get into the playoffs.

Despite the missed field goals, sacks and turnovers, OD would have made the difference. The team would have been ten to twenty yards closer for the field goals. The fumble wouldn’t have been made because they had an easy first down thanks to a pass to OD. The sacks wouldn’t have occurred because of drives that were sustained due to passes to OD.

Dude, you are beyond ridiculous. There is a reason why OD was in the game on nearly every offensive down. He was a threat. He opened the field. He made the team better. He prolonged drives. He set up easy field goals. He scored key TDs on third downs. For you to believe otherwise is one of the funniest things I have ever heard of. Where do these people come from?

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Feb 4, 2010 7:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

One TE prevents all of that?

Thanks for letting me know that you’re a joke and not worth taking seriously.

by TexansDC on Feb 4, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Forget the fact that we also won 4 games at the end of the year without him. Rip doesn’t use logic or facts when he doesn’t have to, so don’t worry about it.

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by nolander on Feb 4, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

DC

You don’t like OD, that’s fine. I can accept that you have no logic. At the time of his injury, OD was in the running for MVP of the Texans. How you can think that the team was better with him injured is a preposterous idea. Your position is a joke. It isn’t even worth discussing anymore. If you hit a rock repeatedly with a hammer, eventually it will break open and all you will find inside is rock. That’s how discussing this subject is with you. Joke? The joke is that you wasted an entire evening trying to find some statistics that support your idea that the Texans are a better team without OD. God, that makes me laugh.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Feb 5, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What makes me laugh is that you think a TE wins games. I guess that’s why ~~Ozzie Newsome~~ ~~Tony Gonzalez~~ ~~Kellen Winslow~~ Shannon Sharpe is polishing those Super Bowl rings that ~~Terrell Davis and Ray Lewis won him~~ he single-handedly won.

I’m open to a debate. The rockhead is you who believes this team crumbled without Daniels. I mean you claim that Daniels equals wins yet ignore nolander’s point that we won 4 straight (5 overall) with him on IR. This is Daniels’ 3rd ACL tear in his football career, and this is the guy you think makes the Texans a contender? You really want to put it all on a 3-time torn ACL?

I think we are better without him. That is my opinion. You think we need him. That’s fine. I’ve yet to see a reason why from you. Other than he’d have scored TDs – which isn’t logical in the least.

I’ve given logic here by pointing out the OLs crap play during those games. You’re the one who’s running around saying the OL needs to improve, I point out stats (that take about 10 minutes to pull together if you’re able to use a search engine) that suggest the OL should get more blame for those losses, and you claim OD would be the difference?

My entire point, from the beginning, was that the team doesn’t suffer too much without Daniels. That trading him for an early 2nd rounder could improve this team overall. That draft pick could come in, fill another hole, and contibute while the Texans still maintain TE depth.

The joke here is just your hypocritical, short-sighted self.

by TexansDC on Feb 5, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

Based on ODs performance until he went down, he could have been a very handy guy to have in the red zone for the rest of the year. He had 5 TDs in 7 games before that injury.

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by nolander on Feb 5, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's not like we were setting the world on fire with him.

4-3 in those games.

Injuries are part of the game. Fact is this guy has torn his ACL 3 times. As good as he is, why wouldn’t we want to get something for him before he makes it a 4th tear?

JD was coming into his own as a player. Was he a OD-level pass catcher? No, but he was becoming effective as he improved every game (to his 6 catch 81 yard 1 TD game against the Pats)

I’d take a downgrade from an A level TE to a B-minus level if it meant we could take an extra pick and fill in another hole. Considering how deep this class is, If we could pick up a 2010 2nd or 3rd (with a 2011 conditional) then we’re getting another good player.

Possible situation: Who’s running the show in Cleveland? Mike Holgrem – a guy who has always had a good TE on his teams. Why not offer OD for a 2nd + conditional? If they take it then we can grab a CB (possible names there would be Kyle Wilson, Brandon Ghee) and then grab another at 20 (Parrish Cox?). Dunta can walk, and we’ve vastly improved our CBs for the next 4-5 years.

As for Rip, I don’t mean to sling insults with him, but instead of going back and forth on this and having a smart football debate…he wants to sit and make insults. 4 straight losses without him…well, as I said above, we were 4-3 with him so fI ail to see how it hurt us since we went 5-4 without him. Sounds like we ended up being the same kind of team.

by TexansDC on Feb 5, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sorry but thats ridiculous

Losing OD might have made Schaub better over the long haul, and Jacoby also, but it did not make the team better. The timing of losing OD was horrible and it single handedly killed our season. The 4 game divisional losing streak was right after OD went down and Dreessen was not ready to step up then. If OD didnt get hurt we probably win one of those 4 games and we go to the playoffs. That one win means we are better with OD. Of course, a Brown could have negated the should have been win during the 4 game losing streak and thus we would not be better, oh wait, that did happen.

As for signing OD, that is a must and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to get checked. He is a Pro-Bowl TE who needs some time to recover but if he does recover he is a big upgrade over Dreessen that makes the entire team better.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Feb 3, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ha! Took the words right out of my mouth! Thx!

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Feb 3, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He's an upgrade in the passing game...

but he’s a worse blocker. JD can still be a factor in the receiving game while being a better blocker.

by TexansDC on Feb 3, 2010 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And what would you rather have...

a good blocker and average receiver or a great receiver and a little below average blocker?

With the current offensive line we have, a good blocking TE does not make a huge difference, but a great receiving TE can make a bigger impact and help take pressure off the running game.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Feb 3, 2010 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Honestly...

I’d rather see the WRs worked in more than the TEs. Jacoby, DA, KW can lead to move explosive plays than the TEs.

The more JD played, the more confident he got, the better his numbers. He was great against Miami and New England. I think he’d only continute to improve with more time, and we’d get to see Casey out more as the back-up.

Is JD better? No, but does he kill our offense? Not at all. I’d find it more valuable to trade OD and pick up a 2nd rounder so we can fill another hole. Think of what we could do with a 1, 2, 2, and 3: I mean our needs are NT, CB, FS, G/C…you’re talking about filling another hole with a quality player while not dropping off too significantly.

As I said above, we didn’t lose because we lost OD. We lost those 4 games because of 9 turnovers, 3 missed FGs, and more allowed pressure on Schaub with10 allowed sacks as opposed to 15 in the other 12 games. We shot ourselves in the foot.

by TexansDC on Feb 4, 2010 1:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Marginally.

If you’re talking about working Anthony Hill into the game, then that’s one thing. But Dreessen isn’t anything better than mediocre when it comes to blocking.

by Nashmeister on Feb 3, 2010 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't take it personal, J...

Kerns just had to get his “dick” comment out of the way early. He’s good now.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Feb 2, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No dick comment.

Just a very fired up response from a die hard sports fan.

by Jordann on Feb 2, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Kerns hopefully knows by now that I'm just hackin' on him, Chavez.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Feb 2, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I love how when my opinion differs from Beef's

I am making a “dick comment.” Brilliant insight, beef. Thanks.

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by Mike Kerns on Feb 3, 2010 7:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

FIGHT! FIGHT!

by Jordann on Feb 3, 2010 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Me? Lawyer fucked me.

Everybody’s innocent in here. You didn’t know that?

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Feb 4, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs

Rec'd

Shawshank, bitches

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Feb 4, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I always rec references to Shawshank.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 6, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That four-game winning streak showed me something too

Seattle: 5-11
St. Louis: 1-15
Miami: 7-9
New England: 10-6, but played Jed Hoyer in crucial moments and obviously rested most of it’s starters at one point.

I don’t mean to use this to disparage old Koobs, because while I’m not littering the streets with confetti now that he’s going to be locked up, I’m not about to kick a trash can over because of it either. But all that 4 game winning streak tells me is the same thing that the three game streak over the 49ers, Bengals, and Bills showed: It’s easier to get on a roll when you’re eating up on some delicious cupcakes.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Feb 2, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh come on...

How many people here were going, “We’ll probably lose to the Rams, we always drop a game we’re supposed to win,” hmm? And how many people freaked when we started ugly? They didn’t have anything, but they grinded it out.

Knock Miami’s record all you want, but they were fighting for a playoff spot too.

New England was weird…they went back and forth on player packages.

by TexansDC on Feb 2, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You do realize that

The Texans coming out flat on the road against the Rams isn’t exactly something that bolsters the point that Kubiak did a good job, right?

They won that game in spite of him benching Arian Foster, continuing to stick by Kris Brown, and letting Keith Null go mostly unblitzed. I wouldn’t exactly call that his watershed moment as a head coach.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Feb 2, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He doesn’t run the defense or call defensive plays. That’s on Frank Bush running that damned red carpet zone defense.

Sticking by Kris Brown is something I can’t knock when there was no one out there to replace him. Shaun Suisham…that was the best FA Kicker available. Kris Brown sucked it up, but who could you replace him with during the season?

Kubes isn’t the greatest coach ever despite the greatest season ever in franchise history…and he doesn’t deserve the 3 year extension (yet)…but I like him as a coach – because of the continued progress here, and because rookie head coach usually means starting all over again.

by TexansDC on Feb 2, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good. That's all I need to hear

“He doesn’t deserve the 3 year extension (yet)”.

That’s the only point I’m trying to make here.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Feb 2, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Rivers, you can rest easy

Because I think I agree with you.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 2, 2010 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That game...

Was a perfect example of going conservative because you know you have the better team. Nobody likes to squeak by a crappy team, but then again, it sure beats losing to a one-win team because you took unnecessary risks. The only way we were going to lose that game was if we made stupid mistakes.

by Nashmeister on Feb 2, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and you're tellin me you think the Texans wouldnt make stupid mistakes??

With the team we had that game (the Browns and Foster) we were due for mistakes just like we had every other game. Yes we would probably only lose due to stupid mistakes, but if you come out to win those stupid mistakes would mean less. Because we were the superior team we should have been able to make a few mistakes and still win if we were playing to win. We were not playing to win and our stupid mistakes almost cost us.

You dont play to not lose the game, “You play to win the game.”

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Feb 2, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And they won the game.

by Jordann on Feb 2, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Unimpressively and in spite of poor coaching.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Feb 2, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

From what I remember

A couple of teams struggled against the Rams also.

by Jordann on Feb 2, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

But 14

Managed to pull out the win, so I think that says something about the Rams.

by JimboTexan on Feb 2, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

???

If other teams struggled and beat them anyways, and we struggled and beat them, does that make us a bad team?

www.manningface.com

by nolander on Feb 2, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No

It makes the Rams a bad team. That was my point. It seemed to me he was trying to build up the Rams. I was suggesting that they are not good at football in light of their horrific regular season record. Having made that point, I would concur with Rivers’ assertion that our victory over them was unimpressive.

by JimboTexan on Feb 2, 2010 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The point is

The even game the saints trouble at one point. They may not be able to win many games, but that doesn’t mean they don’t show up to play sometimes.

www.manningface.com

by nolander on Feb 2, 2010 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Okay well

My point is that if we’d played that game against anyone else, we’d be 8-8 and everyone would be wanting him fired right now.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Feb 2, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

But it wasn't anyone else...

That was the entire point of my argument. There are bad teams out there. Beating the Rams by fifty points wouldn’t have gotten us any closer to the playoffs. There’s no reason to try anything risky or give other teams game-tape of your creative plays if you can beat a team with your vanilla offense and defense.

by Nashmeister on Feb 2, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Uh, I think you have your Hoyers mixed up.

Brian Hoyer is the Pats backup QB.

Jed Hoyer is the former Red Sox assistant GM and current Padres GM.

by hishta7 on Feb 3, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think it's a great move

Not only have we improved every season under Kubiak, but they players love playing for him and his system at least offensively works very well. I bet if you could poll the players off the record so they wouldn’t have to give typical responses, they’d pretty much all be happy with Kubiak being extended.. that says alot.

by Bryan72076 on Feb 1, 2010 11:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Meh

I understand the move, but wish he coached the last year of the contract before getting an extension. The uncapped year and potential lockout are changing everything already.

by BigTexBD on Feb 2, 2010 8:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I know it's a big shocker, but...

HATE IT.

I was fine with letting him ride out at least the end of his contract. But an extension? No, no, no…

www.DontMessWithTexans.com

by Mike Kerns on Feb 2, 2010 8:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

You texted me, and here's my response:

I agree with you nd what others (BTBD, TexansHoosier) have said. You could see a sense of urgency in the team the last four games that weren’t there the previous four. This is a little to “gimme” for me and not enough “earn.” And I was never on the fire Kubiak bandwagon, either.

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com

by bigfatdrunk on Feb 2, 2010 8:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nice grammar and spelling

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com

by bigfatdrunk on Feb 2, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What do you expect

From an MCM wannabe?

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 2, 2010 9:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

ewww, texting!

Miss-placed Houstonian living and going to school in the wilderness of Wyoming. Fresno St. 28 - Wyoming 35 (2 OT)!!! Hands down best game I have ever been to.

by BigNate7 on Feb 2, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And that's how you get cooties.

Or AIDS.

by Jordann on Feb 2, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You should see the ones we don't print.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Feb 2, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Here's a big shocker

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 2, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs

AVAILABLE IN 7 SHOCKING COLORS?!

Thats pretty shocking yo!

by Jordann on Feb 2, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't hate the extension

But I do feel as though I would’ve rather have seen how the first month of the 2010 season played out before I was thinking “extension”.

by b0ng on Feb 2, 2010 9:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Always been in the Kubiak bandwagon.

Never changed my stance on Kubiak and his job. There’s been improvement every year under Kubes and nobody can deny that.

I understand the move. But like a couple of people here said, I wanted to see him coach with some sense of urgency. I wanted him to coach for that extension next season but this can be a good thing. Having a sense of stability for the players and a sense of comfort for the coaches can catapult us into great success for the years to come.

McNair understands how to build a winning franchise, he knows that you can’t take any shortcuts and that you can’t just fire a coach that goes through rough patches because everybody goes through that.

The players love playing for Kubiak. And with this extension, it might be easier to resign some of the players because they can see that they’ll be playing under the same coach that led them to success and respectability.

IMHO, it’s a good move on McNair’s part. Now it’s time for Rick to lock Meco down to a long-term contract.

by Jordann on Feb 2, 2010 9:47 AM CST reply actions 4 recs

Rec'd and Dito

You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB

by Texans-Brocos on Feb 2, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Mittens pretty much described what are my reasons for voting yes. I’m jumping on the Smithiak bandwagon now though I’ll let Bush sit on an ejection seat (if there’s one in a bandwagon) to remind him he better be creative on his schemes next year.

by b0wse on Feb 2, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Approved

Not just because I like the guy, and think he does have what it takes to take us to the promised land, but mainly because this really boils down to money, and daddy Mcnair has a shit ton of it. This is an endorsement to the entire organization of what Big Bob is willing to do if he believes in you. The players seem to love the Kubes, and his resume is only improving.
This in no way says Big Bob is a schmuck and pulled the trigger too early, when he should’ve been more “wait and see.” He can still fire him after breakfast if he wants. Money to burn, folks.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Feb 2, 2010 9:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Why?

Do we always set the bar so low? I had no problem with him riding his momentum into next year, but do we really need to commit to him through 2013? If we’d made the playoffs this year, sure. But we didn’t. In fact, I think Kubiak’s periodic fits of mind blowing incompetence probably cost us at least one game. (e.g. Brown, Chris, goal line running back/quaterback).

Granted, he’s responsible for a lot of wins too, and more wins than losses int he aggregate. I’m not saying fire him, but at least make him earn it. I still feel like the bottom could fall out on us next year, and I’m going to be really hacked when he’s tooe xpensive to fire.

by JimboTexan on Feb 2, 2010 10:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

too expensive.

by JimboTexan on Feb 2, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not possible.

Like Beefy mentioned, McNair has a shit ton of money. If they really stink up the joint next year, I’ll bet McNair will be more than happy to pay him to go away.

by Nashmeister on Feb 2, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So does

Drayton McClane, but the Astros…well, you know. Ok, ok- that’s a fallacy.
I don’t think McNair is in the habit of burning benjamins (though it would be hilarious). He’s not going to extend him and fire him next year, barring a complete meltdown.

by JimboTexan on Feb 2, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

McNair doesnt go crazy with his money in the NFL though.

What big time free agents have we signed due to offering them large contract? I believe its zero. Like Jimbo said, Kubes wont be fired unless its a complete meltdown, like 4-12 or 3-13, but Kubes would be fired in that situation extension or not. But if the Texans go 6-10 or 8-8 Kubiak would not be fired even though most fans would have turned on him and there is a real case for his firing.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Feb 3, 2010 1:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I will give Smithiak the credit on being money-smart

You can quickly ruin a team by being irresponsible with money. If you overspend on a star player who will never perform to that money-level, you are hurting another part of your team, somewhere else. Another thing, is in the locker room, money can hurt you. Bring in a high-paid free agent making more than he’s worth on the field is not going to go over well in the locker room either.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Feb 3, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with all of that

but risks do have to be made in the NFL. If Kubiak has such a firm hold on the locker room than the team should be able to handle a big ego. Its easy to have the locker room when there arent any huge egos in the locker room, like what we have (sans Dunta although he seems to be calming down some). At the same time though, not all big time free agents have big egos. If we can spend some money at the CB or DT position it will bring some veteran leadership to the team and help take care of a need. We always say how young we are and use that as an excuse for our mistakes occasionally. The reason we are so young is because we dont sign many free agents.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Feb 3, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Approved

IMO, Money doesn’t matter. Coaches salary doesn’t count against the salary cap. McNair is loaded and this franchise makes plenty of money. I don’t think the amount of money McNair spend on coaches is that big of an issue.
Kubiak has proven his offense is one of the best in the NFL. Is there room for Improvement? Absolutely, no doubt about it. However, the Texans have not had a losing record in three years, and they have improved every year under Kubiak. Franchises with continuity and proven systems win. We will make the playoffs with Kubiak, it’s just a matter of time. I’m growing impatient about the Playoffs, just as much as any fan, but I don’t see any other coaches out there, who would come in and improve our offense any more than Kubiak has already done.

- tyler

by bullpen116 on Feb 2, 2010 10:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I know this comment will catch a lot of flack but...

lets look at IMO one of the best run franchises in the history of the NFL. Yes, I am talking about the Steelers. They have had 3 coaches in 40 seasons. And while I agree that both Cowher and Tomlin were given the reins of good teams to start their careers, the only reason that happened was consistency and sticking to a plan developed by Noll. Did Noll make the playoffs every season as a HC? No. Did Noll have a winning record every season as HC? No. Did management stick with him and allow him to build a system for the team to be successful more often than not and continue to be successful after he was gone? Yes. Granted it helped they won 4 Superbowls in his first 10 years or so, but he also had a better team to start with. And it doesn’t hurt drafting 8 or so HOFers in your first 5 years.

Basically what I am saying is I believe Kubes has a plan and from what he has demonstrated in the past 4 seasons, he knows how to build and develop a winner. It may take longer than we all want. Yes I wish we would have already been to the playoffs just the same as you, but the Texans have not been the most inept team in NFL history (Saints 20 years of losing records in a row). I think McNair is making the smart choice by sticking with Kubes and extending his contract. And I know his faith will be rewarded sooner than later by both the fans and by Kubes getting us into the playoffs and winning there. And one day when Kubes steps down, I know this franchise will have a real plan and system in place that will continue to produce winners just like the Steelers have done regardless of who the coach is.

Miss-placed Houstonian living and going to school in the wilderness of Wyoming. Fresno St. 28 - Wyoming 35 (2 OT)!!! Hands down best game I have ever been to.

by BigNate7 on Feb 2, 2010 11:22 AM CST reply actions 3 recs

Well said.

I kept reverting back to “Chaz The Emperor” when people called for Kubiak’s head and for Cowher to be hired as our coach.

Couldn’t have said it any better man.

by Jordann on Feb 2, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I feel dirty but

I agree with almost everything Dicky says in this article.
Can someone please pass the Lava soap!

You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB

by Texans-Brocos on Feb 2, 2010 11:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

suddenly

I don’t like the extension…

www.manningface.com

by nolander on Feb 2, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Or...

it’s such an obviously good move that even the town idiot can see? (I assume by your comment that LDJA12 endorses the move…cause I refuse to read his crap).

by TexansDC on Feb 2, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

File under

Broken clock, right twice a day.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 2, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Linking to Justice

Flagged.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Feb 2, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you know guys

if we had a better kicker and cleaned up the fumbling issues we wouldnt even be having this conversation right now.

the thing that worries me is i dont want another 5 years of playing one half of football every week

THIS IS WHAT CONCERNS ME

"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"

by Allen-OU on Feb 2, 2010 11:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Well...

Chris Brown isn’t on the team anymore.

They’ve publicly said they’ll be bringing in additional kickers into camp…..

Rex Grossman isn’t on the team anymore…

Hey, we’re an improved team already!!!

by TexansDC on Feb 2, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

but kris brown and chris meyers are still on the team

and who ever took over steve slatons body is still on the team….

i would love to get chester taylor

"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"

by Allen-OU on Feb 2, 2010 1:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Exactly what role does Chester Taylor fill that our current backs don't?

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Feb 2, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The "not fumbling a shit-ton" role.

He’s no last-few-years Tiki Barber, but he’s pretty secure with the ball, and he’s got a great overall game. Short yardage, pass-protection, receiving, you name it. He has been healthy his entire career, and he hasn’t had a whole lot of carries (especially since Peterson got there). He’s probably the most reliable, reasonably-priced option on the market. I’d love to have him here alongside Slaton and Foster for 150 carries or so.

by Nashmeister on Feb 2, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Flipside

-He’s going to be 31 when the season starts.
-He rushed for 3.6 YPC last year despite being in a role that mostly called for him to take HB draws.
-Despite rushing the ball just 195 times the last two years, he had 4 fumbles. Not exactly bulletproof.

Good third down back? Ehhh. He probably pass protects better than the rest of our backs, but I don’t think he’s too far removed from being Chris Brown with the ability to catch a ball.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Feb 2, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

31 ain't all that old.

Especially for somebody who doesn’t have a history of injuries and has only had one real work-horse season. As for receiving; he averages 8 yards per catch over his career. He’s not going to take Slaton’s places there (assuming Stevie can bounce back), but he’s versatile to the point that the defense can’t just assume we’re running it up the gut every time he’s in the game. He’s not Marshall Faulk, but that’s why he’ll most likely sign for a relatively low price. I’d certainly shell out a few million to have one known commodity at RB.

by Nashmeister on Feb 2, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

31 is ancient for running backs.

As far as less mileage. Fair enough, but know that it’s not proven that it matters.

-Receiving: Slaton is better, Foster isn’t proven to be better but I think he can be as good if not better.
-The defense is never going to assume we are running it up the gut against them with this offensive line. Hahah.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Feb 2, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's a difficult study to do.

In his, he tends to compare HOFers against random scrubs for the most part and ignores injuries and crippling hits from Steve Atwater.

There’s not really anyone you can compare Chester Taylor to though. He’s a guy who has always given good production, and simply wound up in an interesting situation in Minnesota. There was no way they were passing on Adrian Peterson. He didn’t get replaced because he was bad or fading; he got replaced because a can’t-miss RB fell into their laps in the draft.

by Nashmeister on Feb 2, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

But what about his abliity to pass the ball? I bet he is lightyears ahead of Chris Brown and just the back we need to run the half back pass at the goal line next year.

Miss-placed Houstonian living and going to school in the wilderness of Wyoming. Fresno St. 28 - Wyoming 35 (2 OT)!!! Hands down best game I have ever been to.

by BigNate7 on Feb 2, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Decent.

95.8 career QB rating.

by Nashmeister on Feb 2, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thoughts

I’m not really a fan.

Kubes has created a great offensive system, and he’s been instrumental in keeping the pieces around for that.

Literally everything else he’s done has been questionable. His defensive coordinators have been (IMO) vanilla and pathetic. His clock management ranges from abysmal to mediocre. His playcalling…well, I know this will probably incite another beefy argument, but, HB Pass. Nuff said.

While I think he did enough to save his job, I certainly don’t think he’s anywhere near the type of guy who should be locked up and cherished. I’ve argued on both sides of the fence on this one this year, and I think he has the potential to be a very good head coach. I don’t know that I want to be paying him like he already is when he hasn’t even been to the playoffs.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Feb 2, 2010 1:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

You're criticizing his playcalling based on 1 play?

There’s not one offensive genius who hasn’t called a perfect career. Even the all-mighty Bill Walsh and Bill Belichick have had some dumb offensive play calls.

As for his DCs, well, it’s saying something that this defense set franchises records in all things defense. It’s not a Kubes problem, but a problem that’s plagued the franchise since its inception. We haven’t had good team defense. It’s on the upswing though…and that should continue when we replace bums like Shaun Cody and Brian Russell.

Time management? At least, he’s not Les Miles of LSU? Okay, that he can improve on tremendously.

by TexansDC on Feb 2, 2010 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bit of a cheapshot, okay

How about this: I was less than impressed with his playcalling in quite a few games. For example, how about the first half of the first Colts game when he kept trying to throw the ball on a group of guys who can’t stop the run to save their lives? As soon as he started running and setting up the PA pass, the offense actually started to click there. How about the second half of the Dolphins game when we spent the whole second half throwing the same 5 yard out pass play on third and 8?

If he’s the head coach, he’s accountable for the defense. He picked Bush. Bush has not done the job very well IMO. My counter to “it’s on the upswing” would be that it’d be hard for it not to be after the three years preceding it. Years he coached and had Richard Smith in charge of things under his watch.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Feb 2, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That I agree with...

as well as the fact that our red zone offense is not as strong as it needs to be. Playoff teams score 7, not 3. I’ll criticize Kris Brown with the next guy, but I won’t blame him for the losses because it’s on the offense to score some more TDs. We’re too good of an offense to not score.

Of course, was it Kubiak or Baby Shan calling the plays? As with the defense, should Kubiak demand more from his coordinators?

My counter to the Smith/Bush thing would be that this defense set franchise records. That even goes back to the Capers days when all we had to hang our hat on was defense. On one hand, this is the best we’ve ever been and on the other hand, we’ve never been better than average. I guess that’s why I’d be okay with more early draft picks spent on the defense. It still needs more pieces, and the better our defense gets then the better the team should be.

I’m not a fan of the extension because I wanted this franchise to have a sense of urgency. However, I won’t say that Kubiak hasn’t done a good job because he essentially had to rebuild a 2-14 joke, and he’s done it fairly well. There’ve been bumps in the road, but I see Smithiak learn from their mistakes. Hopefully, there will still be some urgency for this franchise to start well and finish well – in a game and in a season.

by TexansDC on Feb 2, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of dead horses

This really just goes into how much of the defensive improvement you think is the talent of the defense and how much of it you think is the coaching. I offer my charting stops and my numerous viewings of John Busing and how well we played when he was not out there and say that the talent was much improved regardless of the coaching. I’m not carrying it any further than that cause we’ve had that thread before.

Kubes was hamstrung a bit in the red zone with how poor the interior run game was. Willing to give him somewhat of a pass for that, although not too big of one considering he willingly played Studdard over White/Caldwell all year.

Absolutely, Kubes should demand more from his coordinators.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Feb 2, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

About our offense...

Talentwise, I don’t think it’s entirely fair to say that we’re “too good to not score”. I spy Schaub, AJ, and a heap of mediocrity. There are probably twenty teams in the league with better offensive lines and 25 with better RBs. Once OD went down, the same could be said for TE. Outside of Andre, our receivers are all off of the scrap heap.

Without Pitts and OD for most of the season, this offense is near the bottom of the league in terms of talent. The fact that their production was excellent is truly a testament to the coaching.

by Nashmeister on Feb 2, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Playcalling.

I just want to mention that we’re beating a dead horse here.

With that being said, passing is our strong suit. We ran the ball less because we really had no reliable running back around that time. Our backs were fumbling left and right. You can’t blame the guy for sticking with what we’re good at. We passed to set up the PA pass for christ sakes because we had no reliable back. Im pretty damn sure that if we stuck with the run and fumbled, kubiak would be blamed for it. He made the decision and stuck with it.

As for the Miami game, I don’t remember it very well. All I remember is that we won the game. And that is the bottom line right?

by Jordann on Feb 2, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think you know by now that I'm not a bottom line guy when we've got a small sample size of games every year

For example, I’m more than willing to give Kubes extra credit for having to play the Colts twice a year and playing in a tough division.

The underlying trends of that game—going up 27-0 and almost losing, are not good.

Going into the Colts game and saying we didn’t have a reliable back is revisionist history. The week before, Moats had gone for 126 and 3 scores against a defense that also could not really stop the run.

And yes, this horse is very very dead after this season. We’re beating the horses bones at this point. (Not boners, BFD)

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Feb 2, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs