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Then And Now: BRB On The Ahman Green Signing

Lest you think the Smithiak Era has been all home runs, I direct you to March 4, 2007, also known as "The Day The Texans Signed Ahman Green." My post from that dark day is found here, with the hilarious following excerpt immortalized for all eternity:

I think I like this deal; I'm not sure yet. It would seem that Green's best days are behind him, but is he an upgrade over the four-headed monster of '06 that was Ron Dayne, Samkon Gado, Wali Lundy, and Chris Taylor? Probably so. Regardless, you'd have to think that this signing paves the way for the Texans to release Domanick Davis-Williams, right?

Oh, self. You sure are dumb, especially when compared to BFD, who sagely commented as follows:

OK, here goes....

I know I'm in the minority on this one, and that's cool, but I don't like this signing. It reminds me of when the Stros re-signed Bagwell well past his prime, and Bags was unable to fulfill the back-end of his contract. I guess the good news is the amount guaranteed to Green is roughly 1/3 of the total.

OK, Mr. Jerky Jerk, why don't you like this signing? Green is a 30 year old RB with 11,000 total yards on his body. Running backs, especially those with a ton of miles like Green, have a tendency to age poorly. This is little chance he will be a meaningful player by the third year of this contract.

Next, over the last couple of years, Green has averaged below 4 yards/carry. Last year, when he was "healthy" and behind a decent Green Bay o-line? 4.0 avg. Ron Dayne behind the Texans? 4.1. Vernand Morency, who got the bulk of the other GB carries, averaged 4.6/carry. Boy, do I miss Vernand now!

Is Green a real improvement over the four-headed monster from last year? I dunno, but I don't think so. Plus, if the Colts taught us nothing else (and they didn't), wasn't it that having two feature backs is better than one? Alllegedly. Anyway, Green is better at catching the ball out of the backfield, and since we know Carr can't throw the ball more than 10 yards down field, that might be good. But, I can't help but feel like the Texans just signed...Ron Dayne.

So, yeah yeah, I can nay-say and criticize, but what do I suggest? Green was acquired from Seattle by GB for almost nothing. Are we looking to make a deal like that? Especially in Kubiak's system, I strongly believe many RBs could thrive. Next, and we've talked about this before, but spending money on either younger free agents or at positions that need to be addressed more drastically (DBs) would be more helpful.

If the Texans just needed to plug the hole at RB for one year to get us into the playoffs? That's one thing. But there are sooooo many holes to fill, that I don't believe that signing a 30 yo RB helps us either in the short-, or especially, long-term.

*ducks*

To be fair, I nearly immediately developed a case of buyer's remorse (see here) and grew increasingly bitter as the 2007 season progressed (see, e.g., here, here, and here). I was positive that the Ahman Green Era in H-Town would be a one-year nightmare; Ahman and/or his people, to their credit, likely saw the writing on the wall and restructured his deal in August of 2008. That drastically decreased exposure allowed Smithiak to keep Green around in '08; Ahman showed flashes of competence as a relief option for Steve Slaton before his season ended due to...wait for it...injury. Ahman Green's tenure as a Texan finally ended via waiver almost exactly one year ago. At the time, I wrote:

Under any analysis, the Ahman Green Era in H-Town has to be considered a spectactular failure. He was here less than two (2) years and contributed a whopping 709 total yards and 5 TD during his time in Houston. The only thing that makes the bitter pill of abject failure slightly more tolerable is the knowledge that Smithiak wised up and forced him to renegotiate his contract prior to this past season, so the damage was somewhat mitigated. Still, Ahman Green joins such luminaries as Todd Wade and The Corpse Formerly Known As Anthony Weaver on the Council of Freaking Terrible Free Agent Contracts Bestowed by Texans Management.

Any time a Texan can count Todd Wade and Anthony Weaver as brothers-in-arms, it's fair to say things didn't work out as they should have. Enough reminiscing from me. What did you think about the Ahman Green signing? When did you know it wouldn't work out?

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Tim, I think it's fair to say...

you are smarter now than you used to be…

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Feb 16, 2010 5:26 PM CST reply actions  

I can't believe that there responses seemed tame...

There was no one going flat out crazy against it (as we saw with LT with people not even wanting to consider it…in part due to “Ahmad”).

I love seeing the past…even though we still have question marks about the RBs (and secondary as Shake mentioned then).

by TexansDC on Feb 16, 2010 5:47 PM CST reply actions  

I remember not really understanding the point of throwing that much money at green, but otherwise being fairly meh on the whole thing.

www.manningface.com

by nolander on Feb 16, 2010 6:00 PM CST reply actions  

I wasn't on here then...

But I didn’t like it. Knew he was having injury problems before leaving GB.

Also, I have a friend who is a huge GB fan. He was giving me grief about Texans getting GB leftovers. I didn’t like that comment very much. The bastard.

by HoustonTransplant on Feb 16, 2010 6:12 PM CST reply actions  

Which reminds me...

I went to the Texans game at Lambeau with him. Oh sweet sweet revenge for all his shit talk. :D

by HoustonTransplant on Feb 16, 2010 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Washington Caps?

Wow, I’m gonna have to unfriend you now.

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com

by bigfatdrunk on Feb 16, 2010 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

So are you going to unfriend me too?

I mean, assuming I cared about hockey – I’d care about my hometown Caps baby!

I miss the days of $5 nosebleed seats, beer, and bad hockey.

by DisplacedTexan on Feb 16, 2010 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Nothing beats minor league hockey

I’d much rather watch the Aeros play than the Caps. In fact, having seen both teams play more than once, I can say this with full authority.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 17, 2010 8:09 AM CST up reply actions  

College club hockey

Violence+Alcohol+Ice= Win. Obviously.

by JimboTexan on Feb 17, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Aeros games are great

I used to go back in middle school. Of course I didn’t fully appreciate the glorious impact alcohol has on the enjoyment of hockey, but those games were great.

I call bullshit on your assessment of the Caps. They’re doing great this season – best team in the NHL and Ovechkin is so good he actually makes me want to root for them.

by DisplacedTexan on Feb 17, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Well

I don’t happen to live in the DC area anymore, now do I? Although I must admit that Ovechkin is awesome.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 17, 2010 11:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Excuses excuses

PS: I’m returning to your motherland shortly after the bar. I’ll try and catch an in-3rd-place Ajax game.

by DisplacedTexan on Feb 17, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Let me know if you want to

I can hook you up with some folks who are regulars at the ArenA.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 17, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

PS

At least Ajax aren’t in sixth.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 17, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Rock the Red baby!

At least I’m not a Stars supporter :p

by HoustonTransplant on Feb 17, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Welcome, HT

Look forward to reading more from you.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 16, 2010 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?
…contributed a whopping 709 total yards and 5 TD…

I hadn’t realized he had even done that much. I’m a little amazed by those numbers.

by Mark Y on Feb 16, 2010 6:39 PM CST reply actions  

Same here,

I remember him being injured around 80-95% of the time. The anti-Patrick Willis if you must.

by typhoon.infamous on Feb 17, 2010 1:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Brothers In Dumb

I liked the signing, too. Silliness.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Feb 16, 2010 8:22 PM CST reply actions  

Proof of things said in the past sucks

But I stand by my assertion that the structure of the contract and release of Davis-Williams (and his contract) made this a good signing at the time.

It’s not my fault the dumbasses didn’t cut him 1 year earlier than they did.

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Feb 16, 2010 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Sun Shines, Dog's Arse

And all that.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 16, 2010 9:05 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I didn't just like it

I was EXCITED about it…….

Our RBs were sooooo bad

but now when I think of it it feels like someone is rubbing steel wool on my eyeball

by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2010 11:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I don't think I was against it, persay

I mean, 4 years, 22 million, and only 6.5 in guarantees isn’t exactly breaking the vault wide open.

I didn’t really expect anything out of Green though. It was one of those moves where as a die-hard fan who studied things I would’ve been more displeased with it, but as a more casual fan, eh, what’s the worst that could happen?

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Feb 17, 2010 2:01 AM CST reply actions  

SMACK!

right in the mouth Suckas! that’s how Ahman Green signing feels to me now.

GO TEXANS!!!!

Our time will come...

by Texanmaniac on Feb 17, 2010 4:54 AM CST reply actions  

More like.

Pow ! Right in the kisser.

You are banned from Music City Miracles.
Happy Now Tits?
You are banned from Blogging The Boys.
Vince Young - Suicide Doors

by CFHTim on Feb 17, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I was less positive on it than I was the Schaub trade

I will say that he did some very useful work for us before his last injury. Unfortunately, it was as a third down back. Even if he didn’t put up big numbers, he did convert some important third downs.

Of course, that’s about all that can be said of him. The re-structured deal eased the sting, but still.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 17, 2010 8:11 AM CST reply actions  

I find him less

Offensive than Weaver. His corpsehood still haunts me.

by JimboTexan on Feb 17, 2010 10:37 AM CST reply actions  

Riddle me this

We pile on Weaver and Wade and those scrubs all the time – and don’t get me wrong, they’re total pants.

But how come we don’t hate on Tony Boselli more? He was – I think – one of the dumbest moves Casserly ever made.

by DisplacedTexan on Feb 17, 2010 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

boselli AT ONE TIME was good, wasnt he

weaver and wade in my eyes were always scrubs. we dont need no pigeons!!!

"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"

by Allen-OU on Feb 17, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

He was

The shoulder (I believe) injury wasn’t supposed to be as bad as advertised, but he couldn’t overcome the problem. PLUS, Boselli was an expansion draft guy, not a FA. Wade and Weaver were both FAs.

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com

by bigfatdrunk on Feb 17, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

That's all well and good

But didn’t he never actually suit up for a single Texans game?

And come on – if that’s the first move the franchise makes, taking an aging LT with shoulder problems… that’s not a good sign for the future.

And we took on his contract, no? Which was fairly ridiculous, iirc.

by DisplacedTexan on Feb 17, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Re: Boselli

I seem to remember that the Texans and Jags had an agreement that if the Texans took Boselli, the Jags wouldn’t pull a player back from the expansion list (which the rules allowed teams to do after they lost a player in the expansion draft). Thus, the Texans were able to draft three Jags—Boselli, Seth Payne, and Gary Walker—instead of only two.

Casserly figured the chance that Boselli could play, coupled with the ability to add two starters on the defensive line, was worth the risk that Boselli would never see the field again.

As many problems as I have with what Casserly did during his time in Houston, this is one I don’t take issue with.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 17, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Reasoned and fair

I just find it a bit frustrating since LT was an achilles heel for so long (and could still be depending on your take of Brown).

Though, if we’re going to weigh risk versus reward, I think crippling a critical spot like LT to take two defensive starters seems like a bit of a foolish gamble. I dunno – a team saying “Hey this guy is a solid LT, the shoulder aint that bad, but we really don’t want him anymore” shouldn’t pass the smell test.

by DisplacedTexan on Feb 17, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I have to say

I was kind of indifferent to Green, We had no running game and I kind of hope Ahman would bring something to the team, but i also knew he was injury prone.. I wasnt all go Green go but you get my point.


Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Feb 17, 2010 10:42 AM CST reply actions  

Wow..

We have received a lot of LOVEe on the NFL network. Well, except for Jaime Dukes.

by Jahon on Feb 17, 2010 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

Bah.

Last year FO predicted us to be the breakout team of the season. I truly don’t care what those bozos think. We’re going to have a very difficult time winning as many games as we did this year, imo.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 17, 2010 2:08 PM CST reply actions  

I agree with you

We could be alot better and be 8-8 with this schedule

I’d be happy with 5-11

with those wins over Titans and colts twice and cowboys lol!

by AllenOU on Feb 17, 2010 2:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Disagree.

There isn’t a game on our schedule that we shouldn’t win.

Philadelphia and San Diego look like some huge pieces may be leaving. San Diego is also Final 8’d.

Dallas? Final 8 rule prevents them from doing anything. Baltimore? Same plus their defense isn’t what it used to be. Ny Jets? Final 8’d.

Indy, Tits, Jags? Like we weren’t right there in all those games? Indy’s Final 8’d too.

Washington, Oakland, Kansas City?

Don’t start making excuses. This team doesn’t really have any. They are just as, if not more, talented as any team on our schedule.

by TexansDC on Feb 17, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Final 8?

Pardon my ignorance, but what does that mean?

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 17, 2010 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Er...

Meaning they are limited in what they can do this offseason. How, I’m not exactly sure.

by DisplacedTexan on Feb 17, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Their ability to sign players hinges on how many players they lose this offseason to other teams.

www.manningface.com

by nolander on Feb 17, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

What others have said

They are the final 8 playoff teams.

The conference final 4 can’t add any UFAs unless they get UFAs taken.
The divisional round 4 can add players but it gets into salary restrictions.

There’s just a lot of limits on what they can do which makes it hard for them to improve. So really, they’ll come back with their same rosters. Some of those teams could benefit from filling holes while Jerrah won’t be able to buy his way back to the playoffs.

by TexansDC on Feb 17, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok, got it.

Thanks again for the knowledge.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 18, 2010 4:33 AM CST up reply actions  

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