Peppers, Smith, Okoye, Williams
by distant_texans_fan on Feb 23, 2010 4:09 PM CST
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So, given that we have already established the need for a D-lineman, we already have Antonio Smith coming to the DT position on occasion, and While we have Barwin, he isn't quite there yet.....
Does anyone else wonder if we are going to see the those four names on our starting line next year?
We could sign Peppers to a two or three year deal, put him opposite Super Mario, and watch them go nuts!!! Its not a long term solution, and do we really want to spend more money on a free agent D-Lineman. But am I the only person to think of this so far? Or just the only one crazy even to share?
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Once upon a time...
the Houston Texans could have (and should have) made Julius Peppers the 1st pick in franchise history.
Peppers wants to play in a 3-4 system (that’s the rumor). However, I would be THRILLED if Peppers and Mario were the DEs. Screw getting a DT.
I think about this
All the time.
Damn you mittens.
by Jordann on Feb 23, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Any post that states...
damn you mittens deserves a rec.
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
then again
had we had peppers…then we mite not have had mario…maybe vy or bush…
DONT BAN ME
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 23, 2010 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
In this scenario
We’d probably have to release Smith to keep close to the self-imposed cap.
That said, it’d assuredly get rid of Dunta. So that’s a plus.
Can’t say I’m against the idea. Might not be logical enough to work given how Barwin was pushing hard for time last year. But it’s fun to think about.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
I say why not.
Pick up Peppers and trade out of the first round if possible for 2 reasons. 1. The talent we are talking about taking at 20th in the first round and 20th in the second is not that far apart (disclaimer – this assumes Williams is off the board at 20) and 2. This way you avoid paying any first round money to any player drafted.
Then you can start loading the boat with o-line, cb’s, rb’s and of course TE’s thoughout the remainder of the draft. I actually really like this.
Sign Pollard and Meco to long term deals, F- tag OD and resign D-rob on the cheap or let him walk if thinks he can do better somewhere else. Could Barwin work at WLB??? The guy is versitile and athletic so maybe you could get some competition going between him and Diles for the position. Just a thought……
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
Can't see Barwin in coverage....
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Diles/Adibi don't really cover either.
WLB comes out in passing situations for us.
That said, yea. He’s not really ideal for the role. I’d love to see us throw in some 3-4 action from time to time though, just for kicks. Obviously we have no NT for it, but Okoye could try out some 3-4 end, and Barwin-Diles-DeMeco-Cushing would be a nice 3-4 LB core. If only they’d be so creative…
by Nashmeister on Feb 23, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
which means
we are perpetually in the nickel against Paytun.
I think speed at WLB needs to be a priority so we can keep that damn TE of the colts from breakin records every time they play us.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
You're not really going to be taking Cushing or Ryans off the field.
So really what you’re saying is that we need a linebacker who covers better so you can actually run the 4-3 instead of nickel…
Except the Texans already have that guy, and his name is Xavier Adibi, and they didn’t play him.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Feb 27, 2010 2:38 AM CST up reply actions
agree on Adibi
and that is what I am saying, yes.
Get Taylor Mays, make him a OLB for the Colts games. Tell him to follow Dallas Clark around and see what he eats.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
I'd love to see a few changeups there too.
In fact, I would say that if Bush randomized maybe 15% of his playcalls, our defense would be much more effective regardless of the results. Get some new things for other teams to think about instead of letting the DB’s be sitting ducks.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Feb 27, 2010 2:37 AM CST up reply actions
There’s really no chance Barwin could play WLB… Maybe he could play a 3-4 SLB, but I don’t think he could even play a 4-3 SLB to be honest… In this scheme his best fit is where he is now, as a speed rushing end.
I’ve never really cared much for Peppers. Sure he makes some big plays, but he’s always been hot or cold as a player. He’s the kind of player who puts up alot of statistics and shows up on alot of highlight film, but when you add in all the plays he took off, he won’t really make your defense significantly better by himself. You’re right that teams can’t double both Peppers and Williams, but teams don’t have to double Peppers every time out anyway, especially if he’s going against an agile LT because after all this time he still doesn’t have much except for speed moves off the edge.
I’d trade down for sure if it’s possible and given that there was value in the trade down… I wouldn’t trade down just to trade down though, that wouldn’t make alot of sense. At #19 or 20, there’s a pretty good chance that Sean Weatherspoon is available, and if he is I think we should pick him regardless of any other need because he’s a guy with top 10 talent who’ll slide to the late 1st because he is limited to playing the 4-3 WLB role in the NFL. However, he is a perfect fit for the system we run, and that combined with him falling below where his talent level should have him drafted would make him an absolute steal for us with a #20 overall pick.
Hot and cold
Whenever I see you use that phrase, it seems to be on someone who I think would improve the Texans. Does this mean I like inconsistency or does it mean you overvalue “steady” players?
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Feb 27, 2010 2:41 AM CST up reply actions
I read the title of this post
and suddenly knew what it felt like to fall in love.
I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.
by MDC on Feb 23, 2010 6:27 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
You've got me a little worried.
Are you in love with me or the four defensive linemen?
by distant_texans_fan on Feb 24, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
He could be...
as we learned in another post, if you are an oiled naked dwarf, than he just might be in love with you distant_texans_fan.
Miss-placed Houstonian living and going to school in the wilderness of Wyoming. Fresno St. 28 - Wyoming 35 (2 OT)!!! Hands down best game I have ever been to.
The linemen.
(As far as you know.)
I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.
Thanks, I think
I’ll sleep a little easier tonight.
by distant_texans_fan on Feb 25, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
So I guess I get to be the guy who reminds everyone
That Julius Peppers is a fucking moron. I mean complete and utter moron on so many levels. Questions about his work ethic etc. Just not the kind of guy I want to give the kind of money he is going to ask for.
www.manningface.com
But nolander...
You can’t double-team both Mario and Peppers…think of that awesome situation of Peyton cowering in fear because his line can’t block both of them.
cowering in fear?
Or, down on his ass most of the time?
I doubt that the Texans will go after him though, since we’re still in the process of developing Barwin.
by typhoon.infamous on Feb 24, 2010 1:37 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, I know all of that.
But we both know how obsessive and infatuated I am with mutants in the NFL.
I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.
I thought we were talking about Julius, not Brian? Although Julius does have those freaky ears.
www.manningface.com
I meant mutant...
in the Mario Williams mold. Freakishly large individuals who are far too fast/strong to be 100% human. It’s the same reason I wanted DR-C, Sean Smith, and Calais Campbell.
I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.
Yes, exactly
He’s an ego trip and his greed would make Dunta look easy…
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I have to agree with that logic.
Any guy who has problems with work ethic is not worth the risk/money/headache. Plus, we’re not the kind of team who can handle the diva act. Take for instance the Patriots and Moss. They have the talent around the rest of the team to where if Moss does start dogging it (like suggested last season), then they don’t lose too much. If Peppers were to sign in Houston, then decide that he only wants to try every other down, we’re stuck. I would rather develop Barwin and have Smith holding that position opposite Williams.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Feb 23, 2010 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
That 2.5-sack season frightens me.
Anybody who can just turn it off like that in what aught to be the prime of their career definitely aught to have question-marks surrounding them.
by Nashmeister on Feb 23, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
Too much money must be spent to get him, and the dude doesn’t even like football. He’s clearly one of those players who sees the game purely as a job and doesn’t understand that he gets many many millions to play football for a living. People have talked about Mario “disappearing” for short stretches, well Peppers needs a fucking helicopter and foot search party to find him sometimes.
He’s not Texans material.
by BigTexBD on Feb 24, 2010 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Clearly not.
At least not based on how our DCs have approached the game.
I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.
2.5 sack seasons from a guy with that many sacks should scare the shit out of you.
www.manningface.com
It doesn't...
he more than made up for it every other year.
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
oh, and his 2.5 sacks
came in his 3 year in the league.
10.5
14.5
2.5
13.0
10.5
11.0
7
12
Not bad at all. I would never be scared to have 2 Mario Williams type players starting on my defensive line. Ever.
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
You did that backwards.
They came in his 6th year.
by Nashmeister on Feb 24, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Woops
Sorry about that and thanks for catching it.
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
too expensive and not really a position of need. Let the Redskins overpay him. Pass.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
Of course it is a position of need
The D-Line and TE are always a needs position for the Texans.
by distant_texans_fan on Feb 23, 2010 9:26 PM CST up reply actions
DE, specifically
is like 6th behind CB, DT, OG, C, FS.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
Correct that sir
DE is 7th…..TE is 1st. Always grab the TE 1st (and 2nd…grab a value TE in round 4 and a sleeper in round 7).
as much as we like to clown about TEs, it came in quite handy when 2 of our 4 TEs were hurt last year.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
I know
I remember thinking that at the time, who’d have thought all those TE’s would come in useful.
by distant_texans_fan on Feb 24, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Anytime
you can add a guy capable of 10-15 sacks….especially since you see Fivehead 2 times a year….you consider it. Even if Peppers is too expensive.
However…
If the Texans paid Peppers (as someone else said) then they can A) let Dunta walk B) trade back a bit to secure an extra pick and CB Brandon Ghee (much cheaper than the 19/20 pick) and C) put Peyton on his ass with a 4 man rush.
It’s just….a thought to pass the offseason.
Since we're talking about dream scenarios
I just saw a mock draft where a guy was also trying to predict FA signings. He had Dunta going to Tennessee. If only.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Feb 23, 2010 11:09 PM CST reply actions
Should we start a "Sarper, Pollard" safety thread?
by distant_texans_fan on Feb 24, 2010 8:06 PM CST reply actions
That was awesome
How about a “Sharper, Pollard” thread as well?
by distant_texans_fan on Feb 24, 2010 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Packer fan here
Peppers wants to play in the 3-4. No, I am not interested in him. Anyhow, the reason for my post is this: instead of Peppers, how about Aaron Kampman? If we can’t reach a deal for Kampman, I’d love to see him in Houston opposite side of Mario Williams. That would be an intimidating defensive line. It would stink to see him go, but I wish him the best and would love to watch him play on a team with an already elite DE in Mario Williams.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
by Jabooty on Feb 24, 2010 10:42 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Your ideas are intriguing to me
and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.
I have heard his name mentioned
as the other premier DE that could hit the market. I imagine he’ll be a little cheaper than Peppers and it does fit in more with McNairs attitude towards Free Agents. (He likes to pick guys up for their second contract when they are still improving as players, rather than aging veterans looking the last big pay day)
A Texas Wannabe, born and raised in New Zealand. Currently located 7539 miles South west of Houston.
by distant_texans_fan on Feb 25, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
as long as Smith
is helping us as an every down DT next to Okoye.
If that assumption is incorrect, its a waste of money, imo. Antonio had a good year last year at DE, and we’re not paying his contract to backup Kampman.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
M.Williams - Okoye - D.Williams/T.Cody - Kampman
Cover your eyes, cause Matt’s boner is coming out.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Feb 27, 2010 2:44 AM CST up reply actions
Kampman will be a lot less expensive than Peppers
The only red flag is that Kampman is coming off a season in which he tore his ACL. That is serious, but he is I believe ranked #3 in sacks in the last 5 seasons. He’s somewhere in that area I believe. Another thing about him is he is a great leader on and off the field. You will never have to worry about him getting into trouble.
Man if this happened though, I think I can firmly say that Houston would be my 2nd team. I like Houston right now, but adding Kampman would make me want to follow.
It’s something to think about though, you get a player a lot less expensive then Peppers and he puts his team in front of himself unlike Peppers. For example: we all knew that Kampman was not happy with our transition to the 3-4, but he kept his mouth shut and just played football. He never openly criticized the team for this move, so for that I have a lot of respect for him. I wish we could resign him, but I just don’t see it happening.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Do. Not. Want.
Peppers doesn’t really want to play football all that much, fits better in a 3-4, would cost a metric shitload of money and strengthens the part of our line where we are relatively the strongest. An effective NT found in the draft will do more to free up Mario and whoever rushes the other edge and will therefore improve our pass rush significantly and for much less money.
He may not have as many sacks as Peppers next year, but Barwin will be pretty close I suspect, and he costs a fraction of what Peppers will command.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 26, 2010 9:28 AM CST reply actions
Even better, we could make use of his omnipotent powers
Willis, Willis, Willis, Willis.
A Texas Wannabe, born and raised in New Zealand. Currently located 7539 miles South west of Houston.
by distant_texans_fan on Mar 1, 2010 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
Speaking of D-line
Corey Williams may be cut by the Browns because of his high salary. He excelled when he was part of Green Bay’s 4-3 defense and even though he’s a big guy (6’4", 320 lbs), he does pretty well rushing the passer. Anyone interested?
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 1, 2010 10:39 PM CST reply actions
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