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BRB From The NFL Combine: Day 1

Unfortunately, I think this qualifies as somewhat of a disappointment.

We have the media credentials, but from what I can gather, we're not allowed to watch the workouts.  All the speakers gather at podiums and answer whoever shouts loudest, and after that you might be able to grab them as they're going off stage for a few minutes.  There are practically no scouts or anything of that nature in the crowd, it's all media guys.  Food is not free.  Indianapolis is in the midst of a chilly wind that burned my hands walking the one block back to my hotel.  My dog got ran over.  Etc, etc.

As someone who came in today with rather different expectations of things (big lists of questions for a few prospects, Texans scouts, GM types, etc.), I think I'll be doing a lot of re-inventing overnight here.  But fear not, BRB, we will make the most of it.

Star-divide

Today the interviewed prospects included tight ends, offensive linemen, kickers, and punters.  Early in the morning we were able to have a few separate GMs, coaches, and personnel men.  The most interesting tidbits out of these were from Steelers director of player personnel Kevin Colbert.  Colbert said that he thought the overwhelming size of offensive linemen was a factor in smaller pass rushers becoming more en vogue, since they can win the leverage battle.  He also deftly dodged a Brandon Graham-LaMarr Woodley comparison.  However, he did say that he thought that this was the deepest class of defensive linemen he had remembered seeing in his 26 years in the business.

The most charismatic coach was Jim Schwarz of the Lions, who when asked about where his team needed to improve, replied, "We have a lot of needs.  Our #1 need is talent.  Once we get that, I can reduce my Lipitor."  

I spent most of the time shadowing offensive linemen, with my pet question being how familiar they were with a zone blocking scheme and whether their college used it a lot.  Some guys, such as Utah's Zane Beadles, were convincing enough to make me think they understood the system.  Others, like Idaho guard Mike Iupati, were much more carefully scripted and said they liked moving up to the next level instead of answering the question.  

Zoltan Mesko, the Michigan punter, was my favorite interviewee of the day.  Someone asked him what the hardest question a team had asked him was, and he said that both the Falcons and Steelers Special Team coaches asked him to tell a joke.  He went off on some variation of "Two guys in a bar..." and then intimated that he had to profusely apologize to them because they weren't pleased with the answer.  He also told the story of how he came into kicking:  He was playing soccer as a kid (more popular in Romania) when he broke a gym light.  The coach told him to either pay for it, or play for the football team.  

One thing that I think this interview format is good for is you can pretty quickly tell who is outgoing naturally and who has had it coached into them to some extent.  Anthony Davis and Iupati both seemed to be of the quiet giant variety, expounding on a question only when it hit something they remembered to talk about.  Iupati in particular came off as really coached when he mentioned how he was trying too hard at the Senior Bowl, which led to all the holding he did.  He was playing out of his normal position, that didn't really need to be tacked on.  They both had funny moments but they came sheepishly and were of a "what do you want me to say?" variety.  

Basically, this event was formatted with 3 different podiums, and they would announce who was available at what podium and the reporters asked for around 15 minutes.  Then we'd all scamper off.  That was the entirety of the event.

I have to go get some food to eat, as I avoided Aramark food and prices at Lucas Oil, so I'm going to leave this in the hands of the you fine folk and I'll check back in sometime tomorrow morning to follow up on comments.

In the mean time:  Tomorrow we have quarterbacks, running backs, and wide receivers.  I figure I might get in about two questions a player, so if you've got any, fire away.  I'll use the best you can give me.  If you want to know impressions on some other people (player or otherwise) I may or may not have talked to today, I'll also answer those.  Tomorrow I'll bring the whole laptop and try and fire off a few updates (or have a continually updated post) while I'm there.  Today was much more of a test run to see just what exactly I should be expecting. 

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can't watch the workouts?

as in, you won’t be let in the stadium during the drills?

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on Feb 25, 2010 4:17 PM CST reply actions  

You would at least think

they would provide a live feed to the media room.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Feb 25, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Media room is completely isolated from the rest of the stadium

I do think there will be live workout feeds. I hope, anyway.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Feb 25, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

they'll have it on

the NFL Network for their coverage.

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on Feb 25, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Ask Colt...

What the hell is up with your shoulder? Why so much mystery since the NCG? Dr. Andrews advising you not to throw doesn’t give us confidence; what did he tell you that convinced you not to throw?

And, for shiggles, ask Dez Bryant how Deion’s ass tastes.

by BigTexBD on Feb 25, 2010 4:57 PM CST reply actions  

Any word

On how fat or unfat Terrence Cody is?

www.manningface.com

by nolander on Feb 25, 2010 5:13 PM CST reply actions  

well

I meant relative to the Senior Bowel. His weightspeed is all out of wack.

www.manningface.com

by nolander on Feb 25, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

For a player like Cody, Assmass is what’s really important….any weightspeed he has is just a bonus.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Feb 26, 2010 8:46 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

If thats true

He might actually have worked himself back into first round talk.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Feb 26, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

someone should have told him

he would make $100k for each pound he lost.

It would work for me.

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on Feb 26, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

IMO if he is back at 350, he might even be a top 15 pick.

Miss-placed Houstonian living and going to school in the wilderness of Wyoming. Fresno St. 28 - Wyoming 35 (2 OT)!!! Hands down best game I have ever been to.

by BigNate7 on Feb 26, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

So, if he does that

That would decrease his weight, but might increase his speed? So his weightspeed would be unaffected?

A Texas Wannabe, born and raised in New Zealand. Currently located 7539 miles South west of Houston.

by distant_texans_fan on Feb 26, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Its a delicate balance.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Feb 26, 2010 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Running backs

The obvious one would be, “Do you see yourself fitting into a ZBS?”

Qbs, meh. Ask them which pro QBs do they see themselves resembling? Their opinion on VY and Teh Schaub? Will they retire 20 times like Favre?

WRs…ask them if they wish they could play with Schaub? (Obviously, I’m only concerned with RBs).

by TexansDC on Feb 25, 2010 5:18 PM CST reply actions  

Running Backs,
How comfortable are they and/or did they pass block a lot in college. That seems to be where rookie RB’s have trouble in a pro offense.

QB’s
Do they think they can out perform Orlovsky in training camp and become the chief clipboard holder for teh Schaub?

A Texas Wannabe, born and raised in New Zealand. Currently located 7539 miles South west of Houston.

by distant_texans_fan on Feb 25, 2010 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Ask Colt McCoy

If he’s going to a chiropractor now that his other Dr. has seemingly cost him a chance to show off at the combine.

It just drives me nuts that stuff that is totally treatable by chiropractic is not sent to a chiropractor. If Colt had started to see a chiropractor immediately after his injury at the national championships we would get to see his throwing arm in action at the combine.

And whether you opt for my question or not, this article of yours is an excellent insider’s glance at what is going on. Thank you so much for taking the time and spending the money to go to the combine. I hope it gets even better for you up there.

Best of luck ! And keep up the great work!

=)

by BattleRedFan on Feb 25, 2010 5:29 PM CST reply actions  

no way

there has to be some preacher in texas who could do faith healing on McCoy.

by killtacular on Feb 25, 2010 7:12 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I do not want to offend, b/c I don't pretend to know, but aren't chiropractors kinda glamourized masseuses?

B/C it seems like someone in Colt’s position should at least consult a Doctor of Osteopathic medicine from a major hospital, right? I’m no medical doctor, but it seems like his insurance wouldn’t let anyone who hasn’t passed a state Medical Board Exam (and deep pockets) within a mile of him.

by Smittybaby on Feb 26, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

no I am just a really big fan of chiropractic treatments

they never cut you open
they gradually align your spine back to what is healthy.
they are more than massage therapists.
massage therapists never take an xray of your spine. chiropractors do take Xrays. they build a treatment plan that will most likely take time but it will realign your spine to better health if you follow the plan.

even if insurance doesn’t pay for it, I think it’s worth looking into ESPECIALLY to avoid surgery. For some Drs the only solution is surgery. Chiropractors are at least an alernative they can’t cure everything but they do help ALOT.

by BattleRedFan on Feb 27, 2010 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

and I don't know the first thing about the various certifications

I just know that chiropractors study as much as medical doctors (or so the chiropractic schools say) =)

by BattleRedFan on Feb 27, 2010 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I think I should have said they are different from massage therapists not more than

but if I could only afford

1 visit to a chiropractor
or
1 visit to a massage therapist

I’d go with chiropractor. Don’t get me wrong. I wish I could afford both =D because both are awesome.

Chiropractors treat pinched nerves (as in realign the spine back to normal) all the time. And then the patient doesn’t HAVE to ever go back once they’re done treating it. Many find that they like maintenance anyway .

My own chiropractor used to treat , former Olympic athlete, Dominique Moceaneu when she was training for the Olympics. He kept alot of the gymnasts in good alignment.

That’s why I was sad that they had Slaton go under the knife. Surgery is something I’d want to avoid if at all possible. And from family and friends that I’ve seen treated by Chiropractic (people who walk in with numbness or inability to adequately use limbs . . .after enough adjustments over the course of a few weeks they walk out healthy – full range of motion, numbness gone. They actually walk out “good as new” and without undergoing surgery . . . )

Just from my experience, pinched nerves are so easy for chiropractors to fix. It should be the first course of action.

by BattleRedFan on Feb 27, 2010 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I echo these sentiments

Thank you for going, Rivers!

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Feb 26, 2010 6:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Ask Tim Tebow

what would happen if he met Patrick Willis in the open field.

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on Feb 25, 2010 7:54 PM CST reply actions  

^This

One million times this.

I always assumed "You're The Reason God Made Oklahoma" would be some sort of country music diss track. Live and learn, I guess.

by MDC on Feb 26, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

YES YES YES……maybe even pretend to start speaking in tongues too.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Feb 26, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, be that "naked dancing man" that bfd turned us onto...

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Feb 26, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Or maybe throw a snake up there?

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 26, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Ask if you can tackle his Mom too.

A Texas Wannabe, born and raised in New Zealand. Currently located 7539 miles South west of Houston.

by distant_texans_fan on Feb 26, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Ask why she didn't have an abortion

I’m still unclear on this issue

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Feb 26, 2010 9:49 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Why do they have the combine in Indianapolis exactly?

You’d think they’d have the good sense to put it in somewhere warm like they do the superbowl when there’s not a new stadium to celebrate.

Personally, I like the undercoached guys more. Mostly just because I think they’re more confident and that’s important. Probably not as important as bench presses though, so whatever.

by JimboTexan on Feb 25, 2010 9:01 PM CST reply actions  

Tradition?

I guess?

I talked to the hotel clerk earlier and he said they’re already sold out for the Super Bowl here (think it’s 2012?). After seeing the public transportation and the area…I think this may make for the smuggest Bill Simmons column yet if he makes that trip.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Feb 26, 2010 12:39 AM CST up reply actions  

No specific questions

But I am wondering about possession WRs who are good route runners. We might need one of them later in the draft …

by killtacular on Feb 25, 2010 11:20 PM CST reply actions  

that

would be fantastic. I watched the humanitarian bowl, and he owned (even if bowling green lost).

But unfortunately, he isn’t at the combine, so I doubt rivers will score an interview :).

(and, seriously, he isn’t at the combine? they don’t invite the single-season record holder for receptions?)

by killtacular on Feb 25, 2010 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Re: Barnes

Sssshhhhhh. Love that dude.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 25, 2010 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Barnes

can’t be that hyped, if he doesn’t even get a combine invite.

by killtacular on Feb 25, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Re: Combine Invite

Great article (on I think ESPN.com) today about players who don’t get invited to the Combine. Wes Welker, Jay Ratliff, etc.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Feb 25, 2010 11:34 PM CST up reply actions  

not bad!

oh ya, doesn’t mean they can’t be good (I’d bet a lot of the UFAs who have success in the NFL weren’t necessarily combine invites either), but it probably means not a lot of teams are looking at him. Right?

by killtacular on Feb 25, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably not if he didn't get an invite

Hell, on some draft board (online, mockers of course), hes a 5th/6th round pick at best.

They say he comes from a system…although he was the only WR at the Senior Bowl who could consistently find open space…

System WR, good at finding open space, not invited to the combine….the comparison to Wes Welkah is strong.

by TexansDC on Feb 25, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

There is lots of disparity of opinion

Some say the Combine is just a publicity stunt by the NFL, which undeniably it is turning into more and more each year. Some say it is just an event for NFL scouts to hang their hats on as an out when a player turns into a post-draft bust, “Hey! He had a 42” vertical jump!" I thought YOU could teach him how to cover TEs!"

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Feb 26, 2010 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I can't deny all that you said. It's all true to some extent.

Even the Texans get caught up in the numbers. Just as an example, I give you, Mario Williams. He did not have a stellar college career that cried out number 1 overall pick. He was no slouch, but based on his stats and impact at the college level he did not warrant the number 1 pick. But, based on his workout measurables, he propelled himself to the number 1 spot. Am I wrong?

Last year, I would say that Connor Barwin might be another example of a project player that was selected by the Texans in round 2, based partly on the potential he showed during the season, but his Combine measurables greatly enhanced his attractiveness to be taken there.

So, what I am saying here, is supporting your statement that, “players get drafted based on the combine.” But, it doesn’t always end up as an “Al Davis” draft-day blunder (my words).

Of course, we are all watching and hoping for Barwin’s success this coming season.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Feb 26, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I had no intent to say the Texans(and every other team) haven’t gotten caught up in the measurements. Jacoby Jones, Jerome Mathis, and the rumored love affair with that fast WR the Vikings ended up drafting a few years ago are all probably good examples in addition to the ones you mentioned. With later round picks it’s probably worth it to take a flier, you just hope that with the first round picks the combine numbers just reinforce a feeling they had on a guy already.

I have no way to prove it, but I think in a lot of cases these huge jumps guys take on draft boards post-combine are sometimes only really big jumps on the Mel Kipers of the worlds boards. As much as a lot of us obsess over college players we don’t invest millions of dollars and have a scouting army at our service. It is simply impossible for any one person to gather the kind of information on players NFL teams have at their disposal. Sure guys might move up or down on a teams board, but I think teams have a much better feel for the players going into the combine than the general public.

I think Mario could be a good example of that. Most fans didn’t know a whole lot about him when the draft process started. He was playing for a team that didn’t get a ton of national media coverage(too busy jerking off Reggie Bush/Vince Young) so even though he was productive and had great size and speed for his position most fans didn’t know much about him. NFL scouts on ther other hand had probably had their eye on him for a while. I’m not saying that he didn’t improve his stock, only that his rise up the boards probably wasn’t as meteoric as some perceived it. Of course that could just be me trying to convince myself that Kubiak and the rest of the Texans staff are really better at this whole draft thing then what they are…and if anyone says anything about Casserly being the big reason we drafted Mario I will hunt them the fuck down, rip off their balls, and force them to watch while I feed his bloody testicles to his own mother.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Feb 26, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

So, I take it....

you don’t like to spend your Sunday afternoons watching James Brown and Charlie doing their little NFL Executive Corner thingy…..

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Feb 26, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I know for a fact

BigBadBrad said Casserly was the reason we drafted Mario.

If I had his address, I’d give it to you right here.

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on Feb 26, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd for the use of Jordann's nickname...

Tool Bag

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Feb 26, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I know...

I wanna remain quiet. I’m glad he didn’t get the combine invite…keeps his profile down.

by TexansDC on Feb 25, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

oh and on a note related to our common interest in Kyle Wilson :)

By far the worst game of his season was against BSU, where he got 4 receptions for 24 yards

by killtacular on Feb 25, 2010 11:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it should be our mission in life....

to get some talking head draft expert to refer to a players weightspeed at the combine, draft, senior bowl, etc.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Feb 26, 2010 8:50 AM CST reply actions  

I love how you

worked it in matter of factly, and moved on.

Very impresive start to legitimizing the term.

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on Feb 26, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Totally!!!!

See if you can get the question to a GM or something.

“We’ve heard T. Cody has lost a few pounds and is trying to get down to 320 pounds. Do you think that’ll have a positive or negative affect on his weightspeed? And do you feel that makes him more or less attractive to your team.?”

A Texas Wannabe, born and raised in New Zealand. Currently located 7539 miles South west of Houston.

by distant_texans_fan on Feb 26, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

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