DRAFT Q?: What 3 Upgrades (K aside) would've ==> the most W's this past season?
by Smittybaby on Feb 4, 2010 12:17 PM CST
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PrintI know there are many lenses through which one can analyse the Texan draft needs for 2010...but the one I keep coming back to involves this question: If we had a significant upgrade at 3 positions talent-wise this past season, which 3 upgrades would've translated to the most W's (from those six games where we were in it, but came up just short)? Honestly, I might be missing something, but I am not coming up with Defensive positions.
Ok so Kicker is easy...take a flyer in the 6th or 7th if we see kicker gold...so let's set that aside...
Now its easy to say our offense is this team's strength, but I think improving the short-yardage running game is the single facet of our game that could have improved 2009 & would improve next year's record by the most Ws. For years now, I have seen an inability to force the ball one single yard at will (when everyone knew we needed to)...and this failing has made a difference in every one of our losses (save perhaps the Jets). We faced 3rd & 1 or 4th & goal in every contest...and will again next year especially should we make it to the playoffs...it is necessary for any team in the playoffs to sustain drives, eat clock, keep potent offenses (err Peyton) from having a chance to comeback, and of course, its just plain awesome stuffing it down someone throat.
Its pure BS speculation, but my guess is shiney a new CB & DT & SAFETY probably would have netted this year's Texans a single additional win (maybe two) taking us to a respectable 10-6 & the playoffs. BUT, my best BS speculation is that a couple versitile OLmen say one C/G, one G/T and a SURE-HANDED short-yardage RB would have netted this year's team as many as 4 additional wins.
As such, I'd really like to see 3 of our top 4 rd picks to be a C/G, a G/T & a gritty short-yardage back. Perhaps pepper in a CB from the 2nd (where the mock value at least looks good) and a Kicker in the 6th and we've got a HUGE improvement in next years record. Any thoughts?
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If two of the three were versatile and all were talented and had a mean streak in them
I would be enthusiastic. I would still like a RB who can hold onto the damn rock and push forward between the Tackles for short yardage. I don’t want our staff to have to be so damn creative on 3rd & 2 in their redzone.
Echo on those picks!
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I'll go the entire LT LG C RG
We went 1-5 in the South. We gave up 12 (out of a total 25) sacks in those 6 games. We had 11 turnovers in those 6 games. I can’t say for certainity that it was due to the increased pressure, but I wouldn’t be wrong if I claimed that.
The lack of a running game also doesn’t help the lines case.
While I do want Dan Williams in round 1 (followed by the best available CB in round 2 and Baylor C JD Walton in round 3), I wouldn’t be mad if they went USC OT Charles Brown or Iowa OT Brian Bulaga in round 1. I can definitely see the need to improve the offensive line. If the Texans could somehow snag an extra 2nd round pick then the draft could look like this.
1 – OT
2 – CB
2 – G or C
3 – Whatever they didn’t take
4 – NT
5 – RB
6 – G
7 – K?
We come out with a good OT who either can play OG while adjusting to the league or force Duane Brown to guard…we have depth at G, and we pick up a C that could force Ragdoll to the bench. Our line could be significantly overhauled which could help the running backs and Schaub stay healthy.
As for what I would do
1st round, pick 20- NT Dan Williams
Trade TE Owen Daniels for a 2010 2nd Rounder and a 2011 conditional pick to Cleveland who needs some offensive weapons.
2nd round, pick 7 – CB Kyle Wilson
2nd round, pick 20- CB Parrish Cox
3rd round – C J.D. Walton
4th round – G Mitch Petrus
5th round – S Harry Coleman
5th round, conditional pick for Travis Johnson (not sure if it’s here or in the 6th) – P Zoltan Mesko
6th round- WR Marcus Easley
7th round – RB Lonyae Miller
There’s no K worth drafting and Turk’s unsigned so I took the Zoltan.
what id do
1 – NT (williams)
2 – CB (Cox/Wilson)
3 – OL (Whoever)
4 – RB (Gerhart? Dixon?)
5 – S
6 – WR
6 – K
7 – LB
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 4, 2010 2:00 PM CST reply actions
OK
1. Defensive coordinator
2. OG
3. CB1
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 4, 2010 2:20 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
turn this post green
the man is speaking the truth
by typhoon.infamous on Feb 4, 2010 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
By defensive coordinator
he meant beer battered tacos.
by Jordann on Feb 5, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Beer battered tacos???
I think I just texted myself.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 5, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think I can see it
Nice beer batter on a taco.
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If you're going to keep hanging around w/ Jordann
Then make sure the wife ups the insurance policy on you…..and adds me as a beneficiary
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
When me and BFD start our own deep fried beer battered taco stand.
I’ll make sure that we take extra special care of your order.
Someone needs to start a FA post
Start looking into possible FA, possible RFAs, and who the Texans might actually move on. For instance, if the Saints decide to keep Bush and Pierre Thomas, MIke Bell could become a FA. If he does, he should be a fit since he played under Dennison’s system in Denver. He’s a guy who can at least run between the tackles and not fumble the ball.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Feb 5, 2010 2:18 AM CST up reply actions
UFA RBs...
Are pushing 30 and over. There’s no one out there that would improve the team.
http://walterfootball.com/freeagents.php
There’s a good list and rank of FAs with their status.
Thing I learned? This was OD’s 3rd ACL tear of his football career. I did not know that…it also makes me want to trade him while we can get something for him.
RB is just one example
I brought up Mike Bell because he was with us at the start of the 2008 season then we cut him. Big mistake on our part because he was pretty consistent for the Saints this season and we could have used that when Slaton was fumbling. However, we could also look into FA NTs, CBs, and O-linemen. Plus, just because a player is RFA does not make them off-limits. It all depends on the tender the team puts on the player.
However, it does look like LT will be cut and the Texans should at least give him a look. He may not be what he used to be, but he still knows how to get it in at the goal line, great at pass blocking, and could be a good teacher for Slaton. Plus, he handles the ball pretty well.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Feb 5, 2010 4:06 AM CST up reply actions
I'm anti-RFA
I feel as if, 1-7, we can get quality players to fill a lot of needs. I wouldn’t want to take a flyer on some dude (because there really are no marquee names).
1. TE
2. TE
3. TE
4. TE
5. TE
6. TE
6. TE
7. TE (who can kick)
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by BigNate7 on Feb 4, 2010 3:24 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I don't think the question is who should we draft
But what positions would have helped us the most this past year had we the ability to improve production at those positions. I’d say…
- FS- After wilson went down, free safety was a major weakness for pretty much the entire season
- CB2- As much as we all appreciate Quinn playing as well as he did as a rookie, there were quite a few games where he was picked on constantly and it led to many a scoring drive against us.
- CB1- Robinson for the most part had a pretty solid year, but the perception was he really sucked it up, because when he screwed up, he screwed up royal. He didn’t just get beat, he got beat BAD.
I didn’t include offensive line positions because the offense worked pretty well even if it couldn’t run out of a paper bag. Our pass protection was pretty good, and the last few games of the year we did much better in run blocking. I just don’t think a better running game would have added that many more wins, we were still moving the football with the best of them. We didn’t have the best red zone offense, but this scheme hardly ever has good red zone offense. What killed us in my opinion was our inability to cover anybody. The corners looked pretty bad at times, but I think alot of that was poor safety help, corners just always look like the culprit whether they actually are or not… but I still can’t think of any other position that would have netted more wins with improvements than CBs after safety.
Or your real answer...
is defensive backs in general are the need.
FS may be weak, but I feel like corners would trump a FS. A FS roams about, but corners are responsible for someone.
A good FS can help both CBs though.
If we had somebody with coverage skills and 4.30 time roaming around the secondary, I think it would really allow all of our CBs to play tight coverage, knowing they’ve got safety help up top if they get beat deep.
Also, I think Earl Thomas (assuming he’s available at #20) is significantly better than any FS who might be available around our pick in the 2nd, whereas there aren’t many CBs who warrant going in the late 1st/early 2nd right now.
It’ll all change a great deal by the time the draft comes around, but that’s the way I see it right now at least.
That makes a lot of sense.
I’d still take a CB over a FS though simply because of the fact that Dunta was worse than Eugene. On the whole, I agree that we need someone speedy in the secondary. I feel like once our DBs get behind that we’re done.
I wasn't going into need.
I was answering the question asked in this thread, which was “If we had a significant upgrade at 3 positions talent-wise this past season, which 3 upgrades would’ve translated to the most W’s”. I don’t think safety is our biggest need this offseason, but I do feel it was the position that if improved on at starter would have netted us the most wins. I think if we had better FS, and both CBs, our defense would have been pretty stiff later in the season as Pollard and Cushing settled in, therefore would have given us more added wins than if we improved our rushing attack. Moving the football wasn’t a problem for us. You could say redzone scoring was, but I think that’s more a schematic thing than personnel. Because of our zone blocking scheme, we have Offensive linement who aren’t particularly suited for short yardage cram it down their throats type of offense, if we “improved” the O-line by getting linement that could do that, then we’d more than likely have inferior production on the line on every other down. We need to find a way to score in the red zone with this scheme, not play a completely different offense when we get within 10 yards of the goal line.
Brevity(and paragraphs) are the soul of wit.
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by nolander on Feb 5, 2010 1:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I knew it was only a matter of time
Before the grammar Nazi’s showed up. I’m not trying to write an essay or impress anyone with my writing, which has never been much more than mediocre, i’m just jotting down my thoughts on the topic freestyle. I’m sorry that i’m not anal enough about my writing for you.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
GRAMMAR NAZI? GRAMMAR? REALLY? GRAMMAR?
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by nolander on Feb 5, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
In all seriousness
If you actually want to be taken seriously, trying to pair it down a bit and at least hitting enter every once in a while would help. No one is expecting Shakespeare, but those wall of texts are just unreadable.
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I think it's fair
To demand respect whether i’m using perfect grammar or not, as long as i’m being respectful in turn. I don’t really care if you take me seriously or not, but if you don’t, why are you wasting your time responding to me so much?
respect?
I disrespected you by suggesting trying to be briefer and to use paragraphs? It was meant to be an honest suggestion that for some reason has sent you into looney land.
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Don't be foolish
You don’t say something like “Brevity(and paragraphs) are the soul of wit.” and intend it innocently has helpful advice, especially when used alone while ignoring everything I actually said. Your sole contribution was to tell me to use more paragraphs and be more concise.
If you really weren’t trying to take a dig, then you really are a “Grammar Nazi”, so no one else would really care enough to comment on it.
I said that because I had no interest in reading another wall of text. I’m sorry that I didn’t do it in a way that doesn’t hurt your fragile feelings.
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You could have...
You know, not read it. My comments weren’t directed at you, nor were you even in the conversation at the time as far as I know, so a response from you wasn’t required in the slightest.
If it would put you out too much to read my comments, simply don’t read them and continue on with your business. There’s no need to take shots, and if you do take shots then yes, you are being disrespectful as there’s no other reasoning behind it except to be contrary.
Using a famous quote to try to communicate my opinion is something I simply do not consider taking a shot at someone. Either way your use of paragraphs means I have already won bwahahaha.
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by nolander on Feb 5, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What did you win?
I didn’t even realize we were in competition. While I don’t usually worry about grammar much, when someone points it out, then i’m a little more aware of it for a while than i’d normally be.
That doesn’t change the fact that it’s totally assinine to point out flaws in others’ grammar in an informal forum.
Using quotes to take shots at someone, doesn’t change the fact that you’re taking shots at them. I wrote something that had nothing to do with you, in response to a comment that also had nothing to do with you. You decided my lack of paragraphs were too worrisome for you to even bother reading the post, but felt the need to tell me all about it?
It’s ammusing to me that you won’t admit to the animosity behind your own comments when it’s pretty evident to any who read them. It’s not as if anyone reading this (assuming anyone actually reads it) would think you were just giving innocent advice to help me with my poor penmanship. Why even bother with pretense?
You're horrible
But when you start a running-gag, you sure make certain to carry it through. Gotta admire such determination.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Well yeah
But you’d have to stop then, or else Patrick Willis would send Patrick Willis to stop you.
Normally he would just stop you with a thought, but it’s the offseason so he’s willing to make the trip….which is actually pretty easy since the motherfucker can teleport.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
In this case.
Patrick Willis sent me a bunch of clients and BFD to stop me =/
And he doesn’t even have to teleport you know? He just snaps his fingers and a cast of big time falcons carries him to wherever he needs to go.
I win because I got you to use paragraphs, which was half the point of the post that started this whole business.
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This started out innocently
But at this point it’s just turning into bickering.
Don’t let this part of the offseason destroy the community…we just have to get through 1 more week, and then the fun begins.
Call a truce, bitches. (see what I did there?)
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
What can I say?
I ruin shit. It’s what I’m good at.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Yes grammar.
Grammar can be used to describe an entire system of language, which would include paragraph structure. The dig about brevity was also a comment about my grammar, as if I had worded my sentences differently and shortened them, they’d be more concise.
Calling me a grammar nazi for asking you to hit enter once or twice makes you look like a huge tool. Just accept that and move on.
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Obviously I disagree
Every message board or blog has those who, when they can think of nothing else to say but still want to post something contrary in response, will resort to picking at the grammar used. I find it a little annoying whether i’m the subject of the grammar interrogation or not, so when I am i’ll usually say something about it.
Paragraphs.
We’re talking about using paragraphs. Not pointing out your grammar. I couldn’t care less if your grammar is bad because most likely mines are too.
It’s just so much easier to read if you hit enter once or twice on your replies.
by Jordann on Feb 5, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Grammar doesn't include structure?
“Grammar” involves all aspects of writing, so saying I need to be more concise and have more paragraphs is nitpicking over grammar.
Either way, you’re beaching and moaning about something just to beach and moan. My response wasn’t directed at you, nor should it have been offensive to anyone. If you can’t deal with my occasionally running off freestyle and for some reason you’re incapable of reading a response that isn’t broken into paragraphs…, simply don’t read it.
There’s no need to get snippity over grammar in other words, if you’re anal enough that mine bothers you, it’s your right to ignore it.
for the lulz
Nice paragraphs you got going on there Bryan!
by Jordann on Feb 5, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
don't make me pull this car over!
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My Actual Response.
I haven’t started bitchin and moanin yet. That’s for later on.
Now you on the other hand, have done nothing but bitch and moan about us suggesting that you use paragraphs on your replies so we can read it easier and give you a response.
And as for your “occasional running off freestyles”, you using paragprahs on your response above doesn’t balance out all those time that you never used on. It only makes it rarely, well more like hardly ever.
There’s no need to get snippity over us suggesting you to format your responses so we can respond to you and start a dialogue. If you’re anal enough that our suggestions bother you, it’s your right to ignore it.
This ^
And who thought it would be Jordann as the voice of reason in this pseudo-debate? Anyone? No? OK, then.
Bryan — Try to think about it this way. If we (Nolander in this case) didn’t care at all about reading what your thoughts are on a subject, then there never would have been a suggestion such as this.
From my side of the fence, I approve of his suggestion that you utilize ye ’ol Enter-key now & again. I say this because I think you have some great points to make, and I often pass over your comments because my eyes burn enough due to staring at a monitor for work. No seriously, I have a job. Yes, one that pays and everything. Stop rolling your eyes, Jordann.
If you utilize paragraphs a bit more often, then it creates even more dialogue regarding your perspective and the topic being discussed. And that is always good for BRB.
Bryan, you’ve been around BRB for a while now….and if a grammar/paragraph suggestion is the worst “insult” that you have to endure, then you are still doing pretty damn good.
Enjoy the Enter key, and the replies that follow because of it.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Thank you
I believe that Bryan actually does bring something to the table. There are plenty of other posters who I have simply chosen to completely ignore because a)Nothing they post makes any sense and b) If it did make sense, I have no ability to translate it into English.
If I want to insult someone, I really not that passive aggressive, nor do I really have the ability to be that subtle. Trust me, I’ve tried.
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The worst best was the post games when we lost and the “true fans” would come out from w/e rock they had been hiding under to make a few obligatory posts about how much everyone on the team sucks and needs to be fired. They of course would not use any punctuation, or capitalization(unless their caps lock was on of course). I long for those glorious days.
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I wasn't deeply offended
I was just calling a spade a spade. Nolander was being the Grammar police there, all I did was call it out. Then once it was denied, well I just have never been able to let a sleeping dog lie, personal failing of mine.
I know I have a hard time with paragraphs here, because I just sit down and type my thoughts out and hit “post”, very rarely do I think “enter” so the key often gets ignored.
I’m sure there’s no need to get snippity over people picking at my grammar, but nevertheless, it happens lol. If you figure out how to pick and choose pet peeves, let me know.
re: pick & choose
Get a wife. She’ll do that for you.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
My marraige is great!
I just don’t get laid. But can you blame her?
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FS was a major weakness
after Wilson AND Barber went down. We still need another competent backup though.
Our offense worked really well except when we had a lead or where on the 1 yard line with a chance to score to tie the game. Something tells me an offensive line that can run block would have changed this.
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Why not...
1. RB Coach (fuck fumbling)
2. OC
3. CB, because Fuck Dunta
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by Shake on Feb 4, 2010 4:37 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yea
That’s what happens when you go to an all-star game and outplay the two players projected to go higher than you. I think it’s logical in situations like this, that Thomas would either move up in projections or the other two would move down, or both. Because most people still like Williams, Thomas’ stock goes up significantly as he’s shown that he can play at the same level or higher than Williams as of now. If I haven’t seen or read anything about any of these NTs and just had the Senior Bowl to go from, i’d say Thomas was the best NT in the draft by leaps and bounds.
Apparently
Every Bills fan thinks we totally want to trade for Aaron Schobel(DE, pretty sure we have a few of those) and Kyle Williams(another Okoye type DT).
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In here
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2010/2/5/1296609/state-of-the-bills-roster-nose
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thanks
just put up a comment to back yours. yeah, I’m pretty sure I’d curl up into a ball and cry if we traded a day 1 pick for either of those guys.
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