Free Agent Running Backs Thread
Jerome Harrison, Cleveland Browns (27) – Restricted FA (UFA-CBA)
Aside from a single 100 yard performance back in Week 4, there wasn’t anything impressive about Jerome Harrison’s year coming into the final three weeks of the season. He then broke off a 286 yard total against the Chiefs, nearly breaking the NFL record, then subsequently went on rush for 275 more yards over the next two weeks. Due somewhat to the revival of the running game, the Browns managed to reel off four consecutive victories, while Harrison will has earned the respect of Mike Holmgren, which will likely lead to a large paycheck.
via http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/rb.html
Mike Bell, New Orleans Saints (27) – Restricted FA (UFA-CBA)
Splitting time with Pierre Thomas, Mike Bell has been an effective inside power-runner for the Saints as he was for the Broncos in his rookie season. Both Bell and Thomas provide a simple, but effective running game. If New Orleans unloads Reggie Bush’s $13.5 million cap charge by next season, they’ll have plenty of room to return Bell and Thomas, back to The Big Easy, while still having plenty of money left over. He could also become expendable if they decide to renegotiate with Reggie Bush and promote Lynell Hamilton to Bell’s role in the offense.
via http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/rb.html
Jerious Norwood, Atlanta Falcons (27) – Restricted FA (UFA-CBA)
This was Norwood’s most unproductive season to date with only 252 rushing yards on 3.3 yards per carry. He battled injuries all season long, which once again brings durability to the forefront. Norwood can’t be counted on as an every down back, but will sign a contract indicative of his role as it’s been in Atlanta. He’s a back-up with plenty speed to put a scare into defenses and the hands to help get the check down game going.
via http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/rb.html
After reading Mike Kern's post on Steve Slaton, I am officially giving up all hope on seeing Stevie Wonder tear up the opposing defense for the 2010 season. I started looking up viable free agent RB's that are going to be UFA's when the CBA is renewed(Yes, I'm still under the impression that they will get a new deal done) and came up with three of them that I would like to see in a Texans uniform this coming season.
So what say you BRBers, which running back would you like to see in a Texan's uniform this season coming season. And if they are RFA's give us a reason why they would be worth that compensation.
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I'm anti-RFA
I’m more willing to let Foster go solo than give up premium draft picks.
I think the solution is to grab a back in the draft. I’m not saying it’s a bigger need than what has been discussed around here, but I’d now want to see it addressed early on day 3 (rounds 4-7).
by TexansDC on Feb 5, 2010 11:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I want first two picks on D, next two picks O-line and RB.
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by nolander on Feb 5, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with DC and nolander
Except I like O-line over D.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Feb 5, 2010 1:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
If you had it your way...
What linemen would the Texans take in the draft (or even FA)?
by TexansDC on Feb 5, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Iuputa is available at 20 and we take him I would have no problem. I still think we can get a plenty good CB in the 2nd, and there are suddenly options in the 3rd for NT that might be able to have an impact.
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by nolander on Feb 5, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am too.
But the players that I listed will be UFA’s is the CBA gets renewed. And it will happen.
by Jordann on Feb 5, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we should probably talk about the CBA, then....
All the rumors I have heard lately is that there will be a league stoppage to some degree and the guesses generally run from the first preaseason game until the first regular season game. So, if that happens, I suppose the will be no CBA during the free agent signing period and therefore the players you think could be UFAs will be RFAs during that period.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Feb 5, 2010 1:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
i really like
This guy: Joique Bell from Wayne State. Yes, it’s a small school. But his numbers would fit great as a part of a 2/3-headed “monster”..
Height: 5-11. Weight: 223.
Projected 40 Time: 4.57.
Year GP Rush Yds. Avg. TD
Career 33 855 4644 5.43 59
Or else… LeGarrette Blount would be good too..
and both of them projected in the 4-5s..
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by zala on Feb 10, 2010 3:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there really is no good backs coming out i mean they might be good but who knows but i know i did like miss st rb forgot his name but he is a big back. Another back we should take a good long look at is chester taylor i know he is getting tired of being adrian backup.
by southpaw70 on Feb 5, 2010 12:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I know it won't be funny...
What about Chris Brown from OU? He’s a round 5-7 guy, but 2 years ago he had 1200+ rushing yards (I’ll give him a pass for this past season without a good passing game/offensive line). I know some people swear off the name, but he may be worth the late round pick….
by TexansDC on Feb 5, 2010 12:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've been thinking the same thing.
But the name does turn me off.
He would be a good 3rd or 4th rd pick.
by Jordann on Feb 5, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Texans are really concerned about Slaton, there is one answer almost exactly like him...

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by riversmccown on Feb 5, 2010 2:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Aren't all these guys?
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by riversmccown on Feb 5, 2010 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If they don't get a new CBA going
Then yes.
by Jordann on Feb 5, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the Chargers and all who play for them.
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by nolander on Feb 5, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pass on all three.
Mike Bell got relegated to FB when he was with the Broncos because he’s slower than Ron Dayne. The only two 100-yard games of his career came against 2006 Indianapolis and 2009 Detroit.
Harrison lit it up, but he’s going to get a high tender, methinks.
Norwood has blazing speed and big-play ability, but he can’t take the load without a bruiser to soften things up for him.
I think we argued about this earlier, but the only free agent RB I’m interested in is Chester Taylor. It’s a rough year for backs. Sure would have been nice to get Shonn Greene last year… Eep. Better hope Slaton gets it together and Foster picks up where he left off.
by Nashmeister on Feb 5, 2010 2:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Like you said its a rough year
Which means we might have to overpay for Taylor, which I would not see any point to at his age.
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by nolander on Feb 5, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pass on all of those guys.
denver/houston (koobahan ball really) is predicated on finding a “steal” later in the draft. i don’t ever see us drafting a RB in the early rounds, not when NT and FS (#1 CB as well) are pressing needs. having said that, if that’s the best that’s out there, we would do better to give the keys to foster and let him get a chance.
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by chrisd21 on Feb 5, 2010 3:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Leon Washington
to replace Steve
living the Texas dream
by Joe25 on Feb 5, 2010 4:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
what about LT?
why aren’t we talking about him? a true franchise back, from texas, a legitimate pro bowler who would do well in this system.
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by chrisd21 on Feb 5, 2010 4:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Because he's completely washed up.
That’d be my guess.
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by riversmccown on Feb 5, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That can’t be it.
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by nolander on Feb 5, 2010 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You say that
but he’s a better goal-line back than any we have. Plus with his ability to catch, pass, and pass block, you can’t write someone off without giving them an opportunity. When Marcus Allen was cut by the Raiders, everyone thought he was washed up, but then spend another 5 good years with the Chiefs (in his last year he was not as effective but still found the end zone 11 times).
by theaxeeffect4311 on Feb 5, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize that the Chargers basically shot themselves in the foot against the Jets
By letting Tomlinson run instead of Sproles, right? 12 rushes for 24 yards?
As far as the rest of this stuff. His success rate continues to fall out of starting RB range. He had a -31.2% DVOA on catches this year, worst of any RB in the league who caught more than 25 balls. PFF has him with negative value on throwing balls and pass blocking. And -10.8 overall. If his name was “Jacob Hester” instead of “LaDanian Tomlinson”, there’s a good chance the Chargers don’t even give him 200 carries.
Marcus Allen was a freak of nature. Even then, it wasn’t like he was a franchise back for the Chiefs. He never even broke 900 yards for them. Tomlinson is on pace to be more like Edge James.
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by riversmccown on Feb 5, 2010 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Chargers lost because they can't play defense.
Really, it’s stupid that anyone would lose to the Jets. They do three things on offense:
1. Run the ball
2. Run the wildcat
3. Bootleg/Play-Action
Point being that you should always have someone blitzing from the right to eliminate the bootleg. On top of that, Shonn Greene ran the ball 23 times for 128 yards + Thomas Jones ran 14 times for 41 carries + 2 more carries by none running backs (one being a bootleg run by Sanchez). No one should run the ball on your defense 39 times. The corners should be up pressing Braylon Edwards because the only passes he catches are deep balls off bootlegs/play action and quick slants. Their actual real threat is Keller but he should be bumped at the line as well. I couldn’t believe that he got a free release on that bootleg.
As far as the Chargers offense, Norv Turner is a moron. I don’t know why they kept sending in LT when Sproles was more effective. I don’t know why they kept trying to run the ball when the Jets rank 8th against the rushing defense and the Chargers rank 31st. Obviously, their O-linemen are just as bad as ours. However, that didn’t stop LT from rushing for 12 touchdowns this season. They should have just kept throwing to the slot receiver and Gates because they were having success with that. But when you’re an offensive “genius” like Norv, then you can’t keep doing what works. You got to shake things up. However, it’s because of LT running the ball and not Philip Rivers throwing two picks that cost the Chargers the game. I could throw in the Rhodes sack/fumble but who could have guessed that a safety on the line of scrimmage in a Rex Ryan defense means he’s going to blitz. Or the fact that Pro Bowl kicker Kaeding missed 2 manageable field goals.
Look, I don’t know you are getting so pissy when someone mentions LT, but people are going to talk about him, so get used to it. I’m not saying we should hand a fat contract to LT and make him the starter. I just said that he is a pretty good goal-line back, which we don’t have. Will we draft a RB? More than likely.
But the question becomes, do the Texans really need a “feature” back? We had the fourth ranked offense without a “feature” back last season, so what do we need a feature back for? What the Texans need is to score more touchdowns in the red zone. So one way to help that, we need to get a good goal-line back who won’t fumble into the end zone whether that is through free agency or the draft.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Feb 5, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You get points
for using paragraphs. I have no other opinion on what you have said.
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by nolander on Feb 5, 2010 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Truly my method was to wow him with size and paragraphs. That is all.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Feb 5, 2010 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And unneccessary quotes around the word "feature."
That gets ’em every time.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 6, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was to draw away from the facts.
I cannot tell it worked yet. I think it just confused him because he did not respond to that part.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Feb 6, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Confusion is usually the result when people use paragraphs here
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Feb 7, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't see how it's pissy to backup your point, but okay...
Chargers defense-Jets offense is irrelevant, my only point was that letting Tomlinson be the primary back in a close game cost them big.
“Obviously their offensive lineman were worse than ours”—How do you explain Sproles success all year in comparison to Tomlinson then?
“That didn’t stop LT from rushing for 12 TD’s this season”-TD’s have zero predicative value from year to year and scoring them doesn’t mean a damn thing. The Chargers scored a lot of points because of Rivers, Jackson, and Gates. Tomlinson shouldn’t get full credit for being the one to get the last 3 yards.
If you want to keep bringing it back to that game, perhaps the Chargers wouldn’t have had to throw almost every down if they had a running back who wasn’t toast.
I don’t mind if people want to talk about him, but I’m also going to take a dump on him every chance I get. He was horrendous and there’s no reason to believe he’s any better for us next year than Chris Brown was this year. If the Texans bring him in, it’s going to have a negative impact on their chances of winning in my opinion.
If the Texans want to get better in the red zone, they need better blockers up front, not some specialized fat goal line back that doesn’t fit the one-cut zone scheme. If there’s a good power back for cheap, then by all means the Texans should be interested. Tomlinson, of course, is not a goal line back. Not a 3rd down back. Not really an anything anymore. Washed up. Do not want.
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by riversmccown on Feb 5, 2010 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly!
We need a better O-line! And I’m being serious here. That is what I’ve been pushing because we also need to protect Matt Schaub along with open running lanes. But answer me this, what is it that you actually want. Do you want a running game, win games, better red zone offense, or a certain rookie?
Sproles was more successful than Tomlinson? Sproles averaged 3.7 yards per carry while Tomlinson averaged 3.3 yards per carry. Not that much better. The only thing that Sproles did great was catching passes out of the backfield, so let me know how much that was on the O-line.
However, you were the one that brought up that game.
Since you don’t like Tomlinson, Taylor, or Washington, who do you suggest?
And just so you know, I don’t want Tomlinson. Some team is going to offer him a lot of money and I don’t wan the Texans in the running for that. I just mentioned that we need to look at all the options. And saying that he’s a better goal-line back than anyone we have is still true. Oh, I forgot to mention this before, Tomlinson only had 20 catches on the season, so your DVOA ratings had it wrong since he should not be in the same category those who caught 25 catches on the season.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Feb 6, 2010 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Passes, not catches
He didn’t snag them all.
.4 a carry is a pretty big difference. Screens out of the backfield do involve the o-line.
I suggest that all of these FA backs have too much mileage and the Texans would be better off with their regular RB acquisition plan.
Will get into the rest of this when I’m not rushing out the door.
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by riversmccown on Feb 6, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My mistake
I’m sorry, I thought it was catches because that is what you said in your response to my first post. I brought that up because these websites do make mistakes. Take Andre Johnson for example. On FootballOutsiders, they say he was targeted 171 times and rank him 13th overall. However, ProFootballFocus says Johnson was targeted 152 times and ranked him 5th overall. Someone is wrong because these numbers should be relatively close, if not the same.
3.7 or 3.3 are both bad because no starting RB should average under 4 yards a carry. So either the Charger’s O-line sucks just like ours or both Sproles and Tomlinson are not starting RBs. ProFootballFocus shows that they both sucked. They rank the Texans:
-7.2 in Pass Block, -10 in Run Block, and 15.5 in Screens
and -2.2 in Rushing
Chargers: -8.5 in Pass Block, -12.1 in Run Block, and 12.0 in Screens
and -9.2 in Rushing
If you rely on ProFootballFocus, then the Chargers O-line is worse than the Texans.
I agree that some of the FA RBs are long in the tooth. I also agree that Tomlinson and Sproles are not the answer. However, that does not mean that some FA RB cannot give us one decent season. If Slaton cannot go week 1, we will need someone to accompany Foster and the rookie RB in the backfield. This all hinges on whether or not Slaton will be ready week 1 because if he is, we should be good with just Slaton, Foster, and a rookie RB.
It sucks that you have to rush out the door. I’d wait for you, but I have to flip some pancakes.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Feb 6, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The target difference might involve adjusting for throws that were just Schuab throwing it away and not actually trying to complete a pass to AJ.
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by nolander on Feb 6, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, sorry about the confusion there.
The targets thing is very subjective, PFF and FO have a lot of difference on those things. They differentiate on Pass Rush stats as well.
The thing is, I haven’t watched the Chargers games. I’m not quite as certain they had a bad line as I am that the Texans do. I also think that Tomlinson’s aging is the easiest solution there, because the San Diego O-Line has been much better in recent years at run blocking. Not to completely get them off the hook, I’m just saying, I doubt they are as bad as the Texans.
I am fine with bringing in Tomlinson or Taylor or whoever the flavor of the month is here…for the minimum, as bodies. But acting like they are difference makers or any better than Chris Brown was last year and they deserve actual money is a leap too far for me. I’ll stick to the young backs if it comes down to that.
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by riversmccown on Feb 8, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can agree with that.
Tomlinson or Taylor are not the answer to the RB situation. They are a stop gap at best. I am not sure how serviceable either one could be if the Texans needed to use them for any extension of time. However, there may be a need for someone to pick up the slack if Slaton cannot go week 1. I’m not sure that Foster can pick up the slack yet, so that is why I’m open to suggestions on FA RBs. The minimum I’m looking for is a 1 or 2 year contract tops. I could be persuaded into possibly even living with a 2 year, 2 mil each year kind of deal depending on the back. The only thing our running game needs is consistency. I think Dennison coming in will have a lot to do with that and that’s why we could use some extra bodies. His system is about carrying a stable of RBs, and no matter what running back comes into the game, they will contribute. I’m not sure how LT or Taylor would feel about sharing time or being a specialty back. I think they could contribute to in some fashion. However, I’m not sure that Rick Smith will want to put money into a back if Dennison can get his system going in one year. So we’ll see. Let’s just hope that Slaton will be back in action before week 1.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Feb 8, 2010 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd put money on him bouncing back next year.
1,200+ rushing and 10+ TDs.
Unfortunately, it won’t be with us.
by Nashmeister on Feb 5, 2010 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How much money?
I will gladly take the under on both of these numbers.
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by riversmccown on Feb 5, 2010 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nash
I want some of that action on the under of “LDT=1,200 yards and 10+TDs in 2010” too.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Feb 5, 2010 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me three!
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 6, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Four!!
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Feb 7, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This hinges on where he signs.
If it’s somewhere like New England, where old RBs go to die during 75-carry seasons, I’m not sticking to it.
But if he goes to a team committed to running the ball, I think he’s got another productive season or two under his belt. He smells the finish line right now; methinks he’s gonna work his ass off to solidify himself as a HOFer.
by Nashmeister on Feb 6, 2010 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's already a HOF'er in my book
But do let me know when it happens, I’m dying to put money on this.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Feb 6, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a featured back...
but he could still be effective in situations.
Heck, he can throw a mean HB Pass. Heh heh heh.
by TexansDC on Feb 5, 2010 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
7 career TD passes.
I think that’s more than David Carr has.
by Nashmeister on Feb 5, 2010 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
He’d be great at kneeldowns.
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by riversmccown on Feb 5, 2010 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not a free agent
This post is about free agent RBs
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Feb 6, 2010 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we were picking up a back in free agency
Chester Taylor would be a pretty good fit for us, and I believe he’ll be a free agent next year. He’s a little long in the tooth, but he probably has another 2-3 good years at least and would be better than going into next season with Foster and rookies behind him if Slaton couldn’t go.
Leon Washington is a free agent as well I believe, and while he’s not much of a short yardage back and he’ll likely want a pretty big paycheck, he would give us the speed and quickness we’d be losing in Slaton.
The only other back really worth starting that’ll be a free agent this year is Willie Parker, and that’s a stretch I think. With his injuries the past few years, he’s probably nothing more than a solid backup at this point, but it’s “possible” that he could come back fit as a fiddle and have a few really good years left.
Of the three, i’d rather go with Taylor as I think he’s the best fit for our system and the most capable of being an every down back for us.
by Bryan72076 on Feb 5, 2010 6:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Taylor
Is 30 years old, but the past few years he hasn’t put many miles on his legs. I think he probably has more gas left in the tank than most backs at 30, I could even see him playing somewhat effectively for the next 5 years.
by Bryan72076 on Feb 5, 2010 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Washington is coming off his own injury
Pass on Taylor for reasons mentioned in a fairly recent thread I’m too lazy to dig up: he’s old, he fumbles, he hasn’t been that good despite only being in on third downs.
Megapass on Parker.
I’ll take the rookies.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Feb 5, 2010 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor
Fumbled 18 times in 1,028 carries so far in his career, that’s not really so bad. Frank Gore, who is a pretty good back in his own rights, has fumbled 22 times in 1,168 attempts…
Gore is 4 years younger than Taylor but has over 100 more carries so far…, that’s why I say Taylor’s age probably isn’t near the issue it was with Green or some of the other older backs in the league. 30 years isn’t an old man, what makes that age old for an NFL running back is the ammount of punishment their bodies usually take by that age. Taylor has had a few light years recently so probably isn’t near as beat up as most backs are at his age.
The one year Taylor played as an everydown back, he ran for 1200 yards and caught over 40 passes, and being replaced by Adrian Peterson is nothing to be ashamed of. I think if you can get him at a reasonable price, he’d greatly improve depth at the position even if he doesn’t win the starting job.
by Bryan72076 on Feb 6, 2010 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
. I think if you can get him at a reasonable price
I just don’t see that happening when he is probably the best back available.
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by nolander on Feb 6, 2010 3:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure about that.
Houston is one of the few teams in the league that can offer him what he’s wanted the past several years, the chance to be a feature back. There’s no question that if he came here and played well, he would recieve the vast majority of snaps, and if Slaton continues to have injury issues, his competition for the starting job wouldn’t be that stiff.
There’s a chance a team drastically overpays for him, but he’s not really a high profile player or a “name” so to speak, so I think the chances of many teams being willing to overpay for him aren’t that strong. Only teams wanting him to immediately become the starter would do so, and even then only if they can see him going from a reserve to a 30+ year old feature back for the next 3-4 years at least. While I think he could do it, I don’t think many will be willing to bet the farm on it.
by Bryan72076 on Feb 6, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see us bringing him in and gaurenteeing him to be the feature back though.
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by nolander on Feb 6, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not going to get that guarunty from anyone
But a blind man can see thatthe Texans are a team that would give a starting caliber RB a very good chance of starting and getting a good ammount of snaps. So he might be more interested in the Texans than a team like say the 49ers even if the 49ers offered a little more money because he’d just be trading benches.
To go along with a strong opportunity to start, the Texans are also one of the top offenses in the league and with a winning season last year are on the verge of the playoffs and not too far from being a true contender. That I think would hold more appeal than going to teams like Seattle even though he could likely start there as well. We should be a pretty attractive team to any free agent RB as long as we’re not offering worlds less than what other teams are offering them.
by Bryan72076 on Feb 6, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
4 fumbles in his last 200 attempts
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Feb 6, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RBs don't usually
Magically turn into fumblers their 7th year in the league when they haven’t had a big issue with it before. That’s one of those cases you really can argue the statistics are a “fluke”.
by Bryan72076 on Feb 6, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was Slaton's year a fluke too then?
I’m of the opinion that it was. And if it was, this kills the whole “we need a reliable handed running back who won’t fumble!!!!” meme.
And if it isn’t, well, Taylor is just as fumble prone.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Feb 8, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference
Slaton had one year in the league before this season so hasn’t had time to set any trends. Taylor had 6 years of NFL experience and no real problems holding onto the football before those last 200 carries.
You can’t really compare the two. Slaton had one really good season and one really bad season, it’s anyone’s guess which one is closer to his true form. Taylor has had 6 1/2 NFL seasons not having ball control issues but has had more fumbles in the last 1 1/2 seasons than is typical for him…
Clearly it’s easier to guage the “norm” for a player with 8 years in the league than one with 2.
by Bryan72076 on Feb 8, 2010 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty ridiculous
Slaton had 0 fumbles in college. He’s got a pretty established reputation, and he played hurt and numb, which is a pretty big deal as far as figuring out where the ball is.
So I’m going to go ahead and compare the two, thanks.
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by riversmccown on Feb 8, 2010 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't translate college statistics to pro
Some players have amazing college production and are terrible in the NFL. The only data available on Slaton at the pro level are his two seasons in the league whereas Taylor has 8.
I’m also pretty sure Slaton did fumble in college. If you go to http://www.steveslaton.org/ a site dedicated to worshipping the ground Slaton walks on, they mention a game against Louisville in college where he had two fumbles on consecutive plays.
I’m not sure how many fumbles he had in college, as it’s difficult to find accurate college statistics, most college tracking sites don’t even keep track of fumbles, but it’s not true that he had 0 fumbles in college.
by Bryan72076 on Feb 9, 2010 12:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just did.
“Some players have amazing college production and are terrible in the NFL.” – Yes. Some players have amazing college production and are great in the NFL. In no way does this have a thing to do with fumble rates. Slaton did not come into the NFL with “BIG TIME FUMBLER” branded on his head as a Kiper weakpoint. Discounting all college statistics is just as asinine as relying on them as gospel.
I just looked at the college football ESPN stats. I had no idea that it was common to leave out fumbles as I don’t often go around the internet looking for college stats to prove points on comment threads.
If you’re so sure that Slaton is now Fumbler McFumbles forever because he had a bad year, perhaps we can have a wager. I’ll take Slaton and you can have Taylor, wherever he winds up. Whoever has the lowest fumbles/touches wins.
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by riversmccown on Feb 9, 2010 8:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not my point at all.
I was merely saying that Taylor has over 6 years in the NFL with no fumbling problems so the last year and a half or so is probably an anomalie.
You said that by that logic slaton’s year this season was a fluke and he was terrible at holding onto the ball, or that if I didn’t believe that then Taylor’s 6 1/2 good years mean nothing.
All i’m saying is there’s not enough data on Slaton at the pro level yet to say Steve Slaton is X…, but there’s plenty of data on Chester Taylor and over the course of his career on the whole, he hasn’t been known as a fumbler. I haven’t said anything negative about Slaton, so I don’t know where this is coming from.
I was responding to this post in which the question posed is if Slaton isn’t healthy enough to play much next season and we were to go after a free agent RB, who should it be? Of the Free Agent RBs Chester Taylor looks like the best fit for us…
As for checking up on his college stats, when I see someone put out a number like 0 fumbles in his entire college career, then yea i’ll check that out, just because that’s such an amazing stat I want to see if it’s actually true.
by Bryan72076 on Feb 9, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not.
They don’t track them well for some reason. Arian Foster is listed as having zero fumbles in college as well. In fact, just going through some big names… Peterson, Moreno, it seems that ESPN doesn’t track college fumbles at all.
As for Slaton… Odds are, 2008 was the aberration. Keep in mind, this is a guy who was projected to be a 3rd-down back at best, even by our GM and coaches. His rookie campaign was a nice surprise, but I think he’ll be hard-pressed to repeat those numbers, fumbles or not.
by Nashmeister on Feb 9, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
He’s somewhere between his first in second years’ production as a back, probably better suited as a 3rd down/situational back than to try to go every down.
He’s at his best when he’s on the lightside. He’ll never be a great between the tackles runner, but he has a place in the league for sure. I think trying to pack on weight hurt him almost as much as the injury did in terms of his production. He didn’t have near the same explosiveness he did last year.
That doesn’t mean we need a 240 lb RB to do the short yardage stuff. What we should do is look for an every down back and then allow Slaton to come in situationally so that we can take advantage of his strengths and avoid his weaknesses biting us in the arses.
Personally, I like how Foster runs with the ball and think he has the potential to be that back for us, but I also think it’d be foolish to bank on him becoming that guy next season without having a safety net. Looking at the draft prospects this year, there’s not many that really stand out to me enough to say “wow, we should get this guy!”, so i’m kind of leaning on going after a free agent back, Foster and Slaton are both still very young so it’s not as if signing a veteran back would be mortgaging our future.
by Bryan72076 on Feb 9, 2010 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still say...
LenDale White or maybe even reach on Selvin Young if it looks like Steve Slaton isn’t going to return. Then you can try and see if a player drops into the 4th round that might help at RB or just wait until next year. With the schedule we have in 2010, we can’t get too many development players as we will need all the “hit the field running” players we can get…
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by Robertpz on Feb 7, 2010 12:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Trying to gauge our season next year from our schedule as of now is a waste of time methinks.
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by nolander on Feb 8, 2010 12:40 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
the upside of a rookie far outweighs all the risk of one of these overpriced, older free agents.
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by DaGoaT on Feb 8, 2010 7:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This too.
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by riversmccown on Feb 8, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Texans DO NOT need this guy.
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by CFHTim on Feb 8, 2010 1:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Love Bell and Norwood.
Not as starters, mind you, but time-sharing with the rest of the guys. Both seem to hit the hole quickly, which is what we need, and both have speed to pull away in the open field. Plus, Bell went to UM, so MDC would be poppin’ boners like they were xanax.
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by beefy on Feb 10, 2010 9:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
nevermind...
Just re-read that they were RFA’s… No dice, Chino.
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