What Would You Be Willing To Give To Get Nnamdi Asomugha in a Texans Uniform?
by Mike Kerns on Mar 10, 2010 8:02 AM CST
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For about two hours yesterday, while at the office, I listened to Sports Radio 610 as Rich Lord and Robert Henslee took calls from people on what they would be willing to give to have the Oakland Raiders' Nnamdi Asomugha on your Houston Texans.
Long story short, if you've listened to local talk radio, you know what kind of idiot callers call in there. There were people willing to give up their entire draft for the guy. There was even one guy who said to forget Nnamdi and get Brandon Marshall AND Anquan Boldin (I guess he missed the memo on Boldin) to pair with Andre Johnson. Yeah, I think that guy has been playing too much fantasy football. But back to Nnamdi. It got me to thinking what he would be worth.
Before I get too far into this, we all know Houston isn't going to go after Nnamdi and his insane contract. But, in a hypothetical sense, say Bob McNair got a wild hair up his ass to make a huge splash and wanted to go get Nnamdi. What would you give up?
First, we have to look at the contract that we would be inheriting. Asomugha was given a three year, $45.3 million contract by Oakland in 2009. The richest ever for a defensive back. The first two years, worth $28.5 million, are fully guaranteed. In the third year of the contract, it must pay him the average of the top five highest-paid quarterbacks or $16.875 million, whichever is higher. If the team fails to pick up the option, Asomugha will become a free agent and the team will not have the ability to tag him again. Wow...Al Davis at his finest right there...
So, on top of paying the guy around around $32 million for two seasons, Al is rumored to be asking for "high" draft considerations as well.
Look, Naamdi is one of, if not the, best cover corner(s) in the game. We all remember him shutting down Andre Johnson in 2008. But is he really worth that much money AND probably a variation of first and second round draft picks? Only way I would even consider it is if Asomugha would be willing to void the old contract and work out a long term deal anew. And I see no reason why he would be willing to do that. Maybe just the chance to get out of the misery that is the Oakland football franchise. Possible, but highly unlikely.
Asomugha would solve a big, big problem in the Houston secondary. There's no question there. But when you got DeMeco Ryans, Owen Daniels and Mario WIlliams needing to get locked up in the next couple years, I believe that money is better well spent internally. What say you, BRB Nation? Would you make a deal for Nnamdi? And at what cost?
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Having only read the title of this post...
my answer is: my left kidney; three years off the end of my life; $500; and a handy to a random trucker in West Lafayette, Indiana.
texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.
" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown
by MDC on Mar 10, 2010 8:08 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
took the words right out of my mouth. and hand.
Restructure the contract so that he’s still the highest paid CB but only by $1 Mil more /year than the next highest paid, and give Crazy Al our first rounder, extra 4th, extra 6th.
Gotta Re-Do That Contract
Totally agree, Kerns. In terms of what I’d give up for him? BigTexBD’s proposal works for me, but I’m not sure it’d be enough. Might have to turn that fourth rounder into a three.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
i think
This year first and 3rd rounder and next years 2nd rounder, but most important redo contract.
Contract Restructure is a dealbreaker
If I had to give up early picks, I would want to split them up over two drafts. Maybe a 2nd this year and a 1st next year or something like that. Or Vice Versa.
But it is all moot for his current contract. A restructure would be MANDATORY.
I think it would be a good idea for 1st of next year
because they traded away their first. That or trade them this year’s first so Crazy Al could have a chance at Taylor Mays. I still don’t know what I would pay for him. I think I would pay a first at most. To have to restructure that contract, plus Asomugha being 29 at the beginning of the season, we would get possibly 7 seasons out of that first round draft pick. Who knows how long he can play at that top level before he starts to break down. Maybe he’s the piece that puts us over the edge on defense. But is he worth it?
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 10, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
The idiot callers are an extension of the idiot sports talk hosts, IMO
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Mar 10, 2010 8:35 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
You read my mind...
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Lopez
has completely ruined that morning show. Not that it was ever perfect, but Vandermeer was listenable. But he has picked up on Lopez’s bad habits now, too. Sad story.
Well...since we are going there
Rich Lourde is the master of the “talk-over.” He likes to finish the other guys thoughts, sentences, stories…the other guy can’t even start a story without Lourde spoiling his lead-in.
I could stand Lopez when he was teamed with Ted Deluca, because Deluca gave that show a good balance and kept it on the side of being sane and informative. Yes, now, seems like Lopez is always trying to push the limits just to do it, to get Vandermeer to react, which is often disgust. So, no, not a good pairing.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Did you know
he was picked 31 st in 2003 draft , now teams say he is the man. Why did he drop so far in that draft anyone knows? and how was oakland the 31st team to to pick, was this the year they went to the superbowl?
IIRC
He was a safety coming out of Cal and the knock, ironically enough, was that he didn’t cover well enough to play FS (and was not big enough to play SS).
texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.
" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown
Al Davis outsmarted the rest of the NFL?
Does not compute
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
That was a deep draft year
i mean first and formost it’s the birth of ANDRE THE F—KING GIANT IN THE NFL.
Honestly? Not much. Hear me out.
You could have PATRICK WILLIS’ COVERER ASPECT floating around in the backfield, but if you have no pass rush an NFL quarterback is going to find an open receiver given time.
Until we shore up the DLINE, any changes we make to the secondary are only band-aids.
Yes I would LOVE to see him as a Texan, but only if we first address the pass rush.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Mar 10, 2010 10:08 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
must agree with this
we need to generate some pass rush, and until then, we wont sniff the second round or further of the playoffs.
"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"
Can I translate all this?
re: need a pass rush, otherwise doesn’t matter how good you cover, talk
Does that mean that Dunta might have been worth what he signed for at Atlanta?
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Jabari Greer and Darelle Revis
were #7 and #2 respectively at the CB position on the #32 and #31 ranked PASS RUSH teams in the league.
So I can make two arguments. One, there’s an exception (this case there’s three exceptions: Jabari, Darelle, and Dunta) to every rule, and Dunta is a stud. Two, there’s no correlation.
I’m going with the latter, statistically speaking. And we all love statistics.
source: profootballfocus.com
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
But if that were true...
then Houston has the 10th best pass rush. And we all know that’s a lie since we were 25th in sacks.
are you refuting
statistical evidence, with written, internetifyable proof?
I assume you have evidence to the contrary, besides one random statistic to prove your case, right?
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
Are you seriously saying that there is no correlation between pass rush and the success of a CB?
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 10, 2010 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
but my proof
uses statistics. That’s gotta count for something, right?
What I am saying is it is possible to have a good year as a CB with a poor pass rush in front of you.
It is equally as possible to have a bad year as a CB with a good pass rush in front of you.
If you don’t believe this, I cannot help you.
Does a good pass rush help any CB, all other things being equal? Yes. Do I like asking myself questions and answering them? No.
Do I have a point here, or am I just trying to say Fuck Dunta!? I gotta go cure some breast cancer, I’ll have to answer that another time.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
I question the proof
Can you explain how PFF comes up with these rankings? It’s hard for me to believe that the Chiefs and Texans have a better pass rush than 22 other teams. Looking at that list, I see the Saints and Jets as the two bottom teams. Their teams were known for blitzing. Maybe PFF has some method of calculating whenever a team blitzes to getting a sack. However, that would be kind of dumb to not include some kind of additional points for pressuring the QB or causing a turnover. I just think that is a flawed system.
And to compare, FO has the Jets pass rush ranked 14th best and the Saints 17th best. Now, I’m not saying that I entirely go with FO on this one, but for such a difference between the two, you have to question which one is off. Seeing KC, JAC, and DET at the bottom of the list and seeing MIA, PIT, SF, and MIN at top. I think that makes more sense.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 10, 2010 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
I don’t put a lot of weight into statistics.
I like to use them on here because its fun to show everyone how they can be used to explain anything you want.
But, honestly, I was being serious before when I said that if you want me to, I can look at the FO stats and find an area that their stats are egregiously incomprehensible(AJ 23rd best WR?), if that is a site you think is legit. My point is none of them are legit.
Arguing that one stat site is better than another just pisses me off enough I may actually go do the research. Or maybe not.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
Do whatever you want
you’re not going to pay attention to what I say anyway.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 10, 2010 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
are you gonna
take your ball and go home?
I guess to address your question, I have to agree or disagree that FO > PFF, would that be “paying attention” to what you say?
Ok, I disagree. They both have facepalm inducing statistics. If you found that FO was more correct, I could get all nitnoid and find how messed up they are in their rankings of WRs. I won’t stipulate that one stat site is more accurate than another.
And while we’re on paying attention, I replied above that
What I am saying is it is possible to have a good year as a CB with a poor pass rush in front of you.
It is equally as possible to have a bad year as a CB with a good pass rush in front of you.
Which is really what I’m trying to say. Arguing statistics just goes round n round, in my opinion.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
Childish remarks
How original. I’m not here to argue statistics. I’m just saying the proof is flawed. And you are trying to say the same thing as me except to prove the opposite. You were the one who wanted to say that statistics can be skewed to prove whatever point you want. The paying attention part was about you saying that I like one site over another when I thought I made it clear that I don’t like either. I guess I would be more inclined to believe FO on this one because it looks more realistic to how I believe last season went. You still did not say how PFF came up with their ratings scale for pass rush. So if we believe that both sites have their flaws, then I think we are sitting on common ground. So going back to your point:
What I am saying is it is possible to have a good year as a CB with a poor pass rush in front of you.
It is equally as possible to have a bad year as a CB with a good pass rush in front of you.
If you don’t believe this, I cannot help you.
Does a good pass rush help any CB, all other things being equal? Yes
From here, I still agree with you. What I would say that the probability to have a better year as a CB would be to improve the pass rush. And if we are going to throw out some CBs who are little experienced, a better pass rush gives us a greater probability of covering that problem up instead of letting our inexperienced CBs cover someone longer because we cannot put pressure on a QB.
And if you want to have fun with statistics, prove that Dunta is a stud.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 11, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
If he keeps showing you proof and evidence
and you keep saying they’re flawed…..
Then this conversation isn’t really going any isn’t it?
I'm bored
I assumed he was as well. You could join in if you like?
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 11, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Nah, i'll pass.
Im still recovering from reading Bryan’s thesis on how “Finding a true cover NT is vital to the success of your teams 4-3 Tampa Cover 2 Jimmy Johnson Style scheme”
Ah, the cover NT
I think if we asked for him to throw out a name for what he means, I think his head would have exploded. Literally.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 11, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
GodDAMNit!
Why didn’t anyone ask him to throw out a fucking name!??
texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.
" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown
by MDC on Mar 11, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We weren't able to make his head explode.
But we definitely shattered his ego into pieces.
I still consider that a WIN
The FAIL
While trying to announce your WIN is delicious.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
by nolander on Mar 11, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I re-read the back and forth
and I think you just missed my sarcasm when I talked about my proof.
I am not a big believer in statistics in the NFL.
Where my panties start to wad is when one stat site is considered flawed and another should be used instead. As you said, they are all flawed, so we either make shit up, or quote one of the flawed sites.
I do both. This time, I tried to use a source.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
We don't get a lot of sacks
but from what I remember we had a lot of pressures and knock downs
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Do you believe
that the Texans had a better pass rush than 22 other teams. Do you believe that the Chiefs had a better pass rush than the Texans?
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 11, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
I don’t have the stats on hurries and knockdowns. Its not just about sacks, and I know for sure that through a decent chunk of the season we were near the top of the league on those two stats. I also know, that half of the league bitches about how bad their pass rush is. I’m not saying these stats are perfect, but there is a reason that we ended up where we are in them.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Yes
everybody knows pass rush is more than just sacks. So how do you explain the Chiefs’ success?
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 11, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
I think you are missing my point
because you are too rapped up in this pissy little argument over PFF and FO.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
You're right
I’m sorry for skipping your point. Yes, every team complains about their pass rush. I do think our pass rush was better last season. It would be nice if Barwin could take the next step this season and be that third down pass rusher for us opposite of Williams. We’ll see. However, I would also like for us to invest in a strong DT who can plug the run and could take up two blockers, helping Williams be more free on plays.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 11, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
I agree
I would love a big DT, but I’ll take anyone who can improve our interior pass rush. I’m warming to the idea of Price, but any way we can improve our D line I am down.
In fact I think one of the reasons we had so many hurries but no real sacks is the QB could also just step up in the pocket. We have to get a push up the middle.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Very true
Step up is so annoying, especially when Williams looks like he’s so close, then the QB just walks forward and no more pressure. So sad.
Price is starting to get on my good side because while he does not have the greatest size, he does have strength and provides a pass rush. So it’ll be interesting to see who is chosen depending on who is still available.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 11, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't the profootballfocus the same site that said Chris White was a great center or something?
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Mar 10, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
statistics
you say potato, I say like we all can’t agree on who we should pick in the first round, we’ll never agree on a statistical site that is accurate. Its all statistics that can be bent whichever way you want to prove whatever you want.
Someone went to the trouble of compiling statistics and ranking players and teams in the NFL, which is more effort than I’m willing to go through, so I’ll trust that site enough to cite it as a point of reference in a discussion on an internet message board.
So give me a stat site that you trust, and I’ll dig deep to find one reason why I think it sucks. This game is fun.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
PFF has ragdoll as the #8 center
i think this proves the point…..just saying
"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"
Ya I think there were a few articles on espn or chron about the stats there being dubious.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Mar 11, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
ok
pick a site that you consider a reliable source for this info.
Then I’ll find an eye opener there.
If one person you consider to be overrated ruins the whole site for you, I doubt you can find one. But lets try. I’m up for it.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
I'm probably going to draft a post on this theory later
But generally, I agree with you. Scrabble is out of our league, I’m afraid.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 10, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
i couldnt send poor OD to OAK
that is just fucked up DC.
two things that can happen this year that are critical.
MARIO going on beast watch and playing like a fucking man. 18 TFS and 17 1/2 sacks. got to have it big guy, it is time to put KY and MR K in their place.
connor barwin is going to have to become a 8-12 sack guy. we just must have the production.
i dont know if this is possible, but as much as i hate to say this….. shaun rogers could really help… ALOT
"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"
Fine
OD can go elsewhere for draft picks (2/5)
Then we trade a 2011 1st and a 2010 2nd plus a 2011 conditional pick to Oakland for a restructed Scrabble.
If we want Scrabble then one of the big conracts have to go and OD makes the most sense since we have some depth at TE.
Of course, I doubt that we’d ever make that aggressive of a move. So just draft more defensive help, Rick.
im with you on trading OD
i think casey can be that guy sooner than later.
but shipping him to oakland….that is just way too fucked up. i would cry for him.
he would never restructure, even to get out of oakland….maybe we could get seymour too..
"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"
SCREW ASOMUGHA,,,,WE NEED TO TRADE ANDRE JOHNSON FOR THAT SPEED DEMON HEYWARD-BEY , STRAIGHT UP TRADE, MAYBE GIVE UP A 2ND ROUNDER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN……no i say asomugha contract is too big, instead we need seymour, if we could lock him up for 3-4 years it would be worth our first…a d-line of seymour, smith, williams and barwin on 3rd down sounds pretty damn elite to me….give barwin time, i think by mid-season he will start to surge…maybe we trade okoye and a 3rd, but i doubt they would go for it. The raiders are so fucking bad at drafting i dont realy think they value any picks , for al davis a 1st and 2nd round pick might be driving trucks in 10 years
Somewhere in that mass of poor punctuation and lowercase letters
Is a joke, right?
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 10, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Hell
I’ll take insane punctation over no punctuation any day. Especially since I have been known to bitch when there is none.
tl;dr Haters gonna hate :-p
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
The hell
is “tl;dr” anyway?
texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.
" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown
Too long; didn't read
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 10, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure how I missed this before...
but I absolutely love it.
texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.
" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown
Its the thing bryan needed to put
After every single on of his posts. A summary for those of us with short attention spans if you will.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
by nolander on Mar 10, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Tell me about it.
You read the first seven paragraphs of his reply and determine that it’s too long to read. But you get suckered in to reading the next 34 pages because somehow you’re hoping that he’ll wrap it up and get to the actual point.
rec'd
for kicking Bryan after he took his toys and went home.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
I bear him no resentment
but I have no patience for someone who so obviously wants his opinion to be heard, and then turns around and tries to pretends like he doesn’t care if anyone listens, just to try to justify being inflexible, and then gets their feelings hurt after refusing to take constructive criticism.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
you said it better than me
but thats what I meant and why I rec’d.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
waht
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Mar 10, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Trolling at its finest.
Well done.
After reading the all caps part, I yelled “TROLL!”
Then I read:
no i say asomugha contract is too big,
Ignoring the misuse of elipses and the complete lack of grammar and capitalization, I really thought you were on to something.
But after this:
instead we need seymour, if we could lock him up for 3-4 years it would be worth our first…a d-line of seymour, smith, williams and barwin on 3rd down sounds pretty damn elite to me….give barwin time, i think by mid-season he will start to surge…maybe we trade okoye and a 3rd, but i doubt they would go for it. The raiders are so fucking bad at drafting i dont realy think they value any picks , for al davis a 1st and 2nd round pick might be driving trucks in 10 years
I was in shock.
That was one heck of a trollercoaster ride. And for that, im not going to flag you.
Here's what I would do
Trade down either out of the first or to the end of the first, while picking up a third. Then use that third on D’Angelo Williams.
That is, if I wanted him, which I might.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 10, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
I will sell them my unborn child, and give al davis a HJ
But for cereal, as i have seen from some of the other BRB crazies, I would def restructure the contract, BTBD’s idea sounds great…. now where can I find virgins to sacrifice to the sun God
yeah there are few periods, the brilliance that flows from my brain-skull can not be slowed down with periods,there is no pause in what i am saying,it is one long thought,and if you dont think a proven pass rusher from the guard position is more important than a cornerback that will keep you from getting a contract done on any future free agent deserving of more that 5 million a year, please spend your sunday watching ice-skating, notice i use my hyphens with razor sharp accuracy . <——- the only thing wrong with locking up seymore is his age considering there will probably be no football in 2011, so in reality we would only get 2 quality seasons from him, then he should start to decline: would be around 35-36
by b4theproffit on Mar 10, 2010 12:40 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
My goodness.
We are not worthy! We are not worthy!
If you try to “rap” this instead of normally reading it, it makes perfect sense.
by Jordann on Mar 10, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I tried rapping it too
It did help
“pass rusher from the guard position”
Damn you Studdard from holding us back…wait, or was he helping by allowing all those rushers through. I’m confused.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
by papabear on Mar 10, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You are genius
Rec’d.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 10, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure what I would give
…but I think it’s important to remember that chances are a cap will be back in place (or at least it will need to be if we want to see football after this next season). We still have guys like Demeco and Mario who will need to get payed soon as well. You can only have so many guys being payed top dollar on one team. In a vacuum, yes I want nnamdi on the Texans. I’m not sure if the cost would be worth the benefit…especially when you consider that Nnamdi could hurt your ability to sign other players in the future. I would rather draft the next Nnamdi and have his services on the cheap, for the next few years. Easier said than done, I know.
Even without a cap McNair doesn’t have unlimited funds, although he’s got enough to throw a few mill my way to retire on….Bob if you’re reading this, and we all know you secretly are because you need our help running your business, just let me know and I’ll tell you where to mail the check.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Well done, I do spend many hours a week in intricate trolling battles.Though this is not a joke, if i had to take any player from that teams defense i would select Seymore. However if i could select any player from they’re team, I would have to take Russel at QB. Then we would finally have a proven leader on offense, and a decent backup in Schaub.
I have a third testicle I can spare
I call it dunta
by AllenOU on Mar 10, 2010 12:50 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I heard they wanted two first round picks.
That is too steep a price. If it was a one and a couple of 2nd day picks I would be ok with it. Maybe the pass rush would improve if we had a number 1 corner who was actually worthy of starting in the NFL, instead of Cunta.
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Keep the picks
Asomugha is great no doubt, but by no means is it worth paying the man ridiculous money AND forfeiting picks, especially if OD is part of the deal as well….def not the Texans style. Plus, we have to pay Demeco, OD, and Mario soon, save the space and build through the draft. Hey, who knows, maybe Joe Haden falls after a “bad” combine, and we can pick him up. GQ is a stud, i’d rather draft a FS than move him out of that CB slot. boy can tackle and cover. If Earl Thomas or Haden aren’t available at 20, i am very-pro trading down to pick up Ryan Matthews.
Texans have too many needs to forfeit draft picks.
Why take Matthews in the 1st when you can grab Hardesty in the 3rd?
If Haden & Thomas are gone, then we should target Cody or Iupati then grab Myron Rolle in the 2nd
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Mar 10, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
You're underplaying the RB position
You’re assuming the Texans value geting players like Cody and Iupati (who are outside the realm of our system) rather than picking up guys who DO fit our system. Cody can barely keep his weight in control, and Iupati is a mauler. Keep in mind that the biggest weakness on this team was turnovers from the RB position and a complete lack of a running game/goalline offense. If Matthews is available w/ no other DB: Haden, Berry, or Earl, then trading down, getting an extra pick and drafting Matthews is an excellent move. Matthews led the nation in rushing, is 218, 6’0 and fits the zone block scheme. Slaton is a change of pace back like Leon Washington. and by no means am i willing to risk our running game on Foster.
I, for one, am glad
that I trust Smithiak enough with our cap money and picks to not even give this a second thought.
Hell, we had like the 90th best CB at the CB1 position last season, and came within an idiot kicker of going to the playoffs.
We put Frenchy over there with rookie in the nickel and call it a day. We may get a stud RB with the third y’all are giving up, and for you fourth pick traders, we may get a pro-bowl TE with that pick, and the sixth? How about a starting WLB?
No, I say. I would give a first for Scrabble with a restructured deal. No more.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
We put Frenchy over there with rookie in the nickel and call it a day
If we just let Frenchy play man, I think he would be a sufficient number one to start the season with. Not great, but sufficient. This would a) be plenty fine for the season if we upgrade our pass rush or b) good enough to give a CB we hopefully pick up in the draft to grow into the role and take on more responsibility later
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Maybe Chris Brown gave Bennett those pictures on his way out the door
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Mar 10, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
LETS GET BRETT FARVE!! AMIRIGHT??!?!
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
It's favre buddy.
Jk!!!
Can he rush the passer????
by AllenOU on Mar 10, 2010 3:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If you think adding an elite WR like Boldin or Marshall
wouldnt help the team than you need to get out of your fantasy football bubble. While its not the most pressing need, we wouldnt have to worry as much about our running game if we had another elite WR to pair with Andre.
As for Nnamdi, Id give our 1st and 3rd.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
Reading Comprehension
. There was even one guy who said to forget Nnamdi and get Brandon Marshall AND Anquan Boldin (I guess he missed the memo on Boldin) to pair with Andre Johnson. Yeah, I think that guy has been playing too much fantasy football.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
You would be willing to give up our entire draft for them?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
he's saying
he was the caller, and Kerns offended him. way to go, Mike.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
by texanphil on Mar 10, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
nope
I missed the other “AND,” the bolded one.
But that doesnt change my point because I said one or the other.
As for giving up our entire draft for Boldin or Marshall, its not really like that. I would have given up our 3rd and 4th rounders for Boldin in a heartbeat. Im not as big a fan of Marshall and actually dont want him, but my point was that adding him would make the team better.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Mar 10, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with you
I really do. BUT
it is a luxury plain and simple. And with the glaring holes we have at DT, CB, DT, FS, DT, G, DT, C, and DT…. We can’t afford to give up our first or a third and fourth AND pay the guy, with OD, MW, and DR needing new contracts relatively soon.
You can’t tell me you’d rather have a Brandon Marshall than a wilfork, namdhi, or other supertar on D. And yes I know they aren’t available and marshall is. But he is a head case to say the least
by AllenOU on Mar 10, 2010 3:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Haha you made me laugh at that last comment
Of course I would love Wilfork AND Nnamdi AND another “Superstar” but that aint happening and its not really fair to compare 3 Pro Bowlers to 1. I also never said I wanted Marshall. There is no way I would give up our 1st for him. I would have easily given up our 3rd and 4th for a Pro Bowler in Boldin because the likelihood of finding a Pro Bowler there is slim.
Why do you think DT is such a bigger need than the secondary? Our D-line is much, much, much better than our secondary as a unit. Amobi is still developing, Mario is Mario, and Smith got better as the season went along. Pollard is a stud and thats it in the secondary. I understand the argument that if we get a huge NT than it will help our secondary, but if we get a stud CB it would help our secondary even more. With Pollard our run defense improved drastically but our pass d remained relatively the same. Improving our DL before improving our secondary would be like improving our TE before improving our OL, its adding to a good area before looking at the area where we actually struggled. I do think DT is a need, but it doesnt greatly overshadow the secondary as a whole like you write in your glaring holes.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
by TexasHoosier on Mar 10, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
What about...
Mean Eugene? I like Eugene Wilson at FS, I think he fits the roll well, but when he got hurt that also hurt our Pass D, because no one was able to fill his shoes… Quinn will be a good number 2 CB. I do think we need to pick up a FS, and a CB in the draft, but I am on the NT bandwagon.
Where did I say that?
I never said getting Boldin or Marshall wouldn’t help the team. I just think there are more pressing matters for the team to address with those draft picks. Be it in the draft or in a trade.
Yes!!!!
Another stud WR is a luxury we can’t afford
by AllenOU on Mar 10, 2010 3:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Its like buying new rims when the rims you already own are pretty fly, yet your tires need to be replaced. Sure you’ll look cool when you die in a car crash, but wouldn’t you prefer not to die?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
If I'm dying
I’m going out in style
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 10, 2010 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
Now you are just missing the point!!!!
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
No point in having a point
if u swangin on a slab that sittin on twinkies brighter than dem stars! you better beledat!
by Jordann on Mar 10, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well what if your slab was already sitting on twinkies brighter then dem stars(AJ Walter and JJ) do you really need to make it shine brighter then brighter then the stars?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I feel bad
for leaving out OD and DA and THOR.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
As you should
however, by tires, do you mean running back or O-line?
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 10, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
Lets say O-line. Our shocks(DT) also need to be replaced, and our mirrors(DBs) have had to be taped back on. The engine itself(Schuab) is quite good, as is the wonderful interior(LBs) . Strained metaphor is strained. RBs are our taillites and we have only one of those working!
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Hmm I see
I think if we got some taillight fluid, that’ll fix our RB problem.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 10, 2010 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
I "beledat" we have found a new BRB Glossary injury.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
we need to run our fastest players in the 40 year dash soon
so al davis can have updated times on the fastest players he can get. maybe we can trade brice mccain and jacoby jones for him.
Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
Texans>>>>>>>Titans
Super Mario>>>>>>>Vince Young
by Rockets 4 Life on Mar 10, 2010 11:02 PM CST reply actions
Trying to read Jacoby jones' Twitter
Is like trying to translate a foreign language…I didn’t think it was possible, but he makes Ocho Cinco seem like a scholar.
While we're talking about unlikely wishes...
I’d rather give up the house to get Donkey Kong.
How far would Eric Berry have to fall to be worth going after as our FS?
If
we’re trading picks for anyone, i think making a move for Namdi makes more sense dont u think cuz he’s young and proven? no question Berry looks promising, but unless he falls down to pick 12+ , there’s no need to relinquish any draft picks.
You mean the guy who is the same size
and plays the same position as Amobi and is actually older than Amobi as well?
Odd choice.
texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.
" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown
I still believe
In Okoye. The kid is going to be the same age or younger than most of this draft class…. but I think he proves himself this year!
Agree
Suh might be an upgrade over Amobi, but he’s a shit-ton more expensive and he will still have the same problems that Amobi did as long as we don’t have the Chrysler building playing NT next to him.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 11, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
It's all about UT DEPTH nowadays, Matt!!
It’s all ball-bearings and weightspeed, fucko!
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
I keep forgetting that part.
/shamed
texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.
" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown
Cover UT's.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Mar 11, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
There's one on Yahoo Sports saying that...
WalterFootball says that…..I think an ESPN bozo is saying that…..
Right now, it makes sense. We need a CB. It’s easy to just put us with the BA CB.
I wouldn’t mind if we went Kyle Wilson, Cam Thomas, Montario Hardesty, and BA OL in the 1st 4 rounds. It’d be a good draft.
However
do you consider Kyle Wilson to be worth the 20th spot? If we we choosing back in the first round I would be more happy about it, but at 20, it’s a reach. I don’t see him as a pick with a huge amount of potential to justify taking him early. Even thought the CB class is not weak, it can be considered weak with only one CB having a first round grade (Haden). Behind him, everyone should be second rounders. But maybe that’s just how I feel about the CBs in this year’s draft.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 12, 2010 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
I dunno
I like Wilson. I have all season. He can play CB, he play FS, he can return kicks…I know is junior year he had 3 TDs on punt returns so he has some speed. I do think he’s rising a bit too high and at 20 he’s a bit of a reach, but he’s experienced and should slide in a starter’s role.
I know Rivers likes McCourty. He’s definitely one of the fastest CBs. Does well in zone. Did well at the Senior Bowl.
Brandon Ghee’s my personal favorite. I think his upside is fantastic. A tick slower than McCourty but also a solid 6 footer.
Allen likes Dominique Franks. He’s not a bad choice.
MDC likes Donovan Warren. He’s slid from round 1 to 2 or 3…bit of a bad combine plus horrible Michigan team. I don’t like him cause WalterFootball makes this comparison (although that player doesn’t match the description).
Player Comparison: Dunta Robinson. Robinson is an athletic corner who excels in mirroring receivers and making plays on the ball.
I know Patrick Robinson has some fans here. I dunno why, but he does.
Personally, it comes down to choice and preference…if they pick a CB at 20 then it’s Wilson without a doubt. If they move back, I’d bet on McCourty….and if they wait til round 2 then I’m betting it is Ghee or Warren. I definitely think a CB will be taken in the 1st two rounds.
I agree
I like Wilson too. He reminds me alot of Aqib Talib. He’s lanky, athletic, can play the nickel, and return punts as well. Just like Talib, his athleticism and length is his greatest asset. By no means is he polished, but where we pick we could do alot worse. A player like him would make a smooth transition to safety in a few years if need be, so I’d rather take him with the trade down as well just b/c he’s not a SOLID cover corner yet. He’d def be a work in progress, but if Haden, Earl, and Berry are gone, he’s the only DB worth a look at 20. Again, i’d much rather trade down, get an extra pick and pick up Matthews. The kid’s a stud.
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