2009 Shadow Draft: One Year Later
Waaaay back in the infancy of me actually writing about the Texans instead of just watching them, I had some inspiration from one of John Sickels' pet projects: his shadow draft. Every year, he drafts along with the Minnesota Twins pick-for-pick in the MLB Draft. Seeing as how the NFL draft is both shorter and easier to scout, this seemed like a no-brainer idea for me. So I did one. And here we are a year later, with you indulging me by reviewing it and pretending I am not an idiot. Good times? Good times.
The rules:
1) No trading down. If I was running the draft board, the Texans would trade down a LOT. But considering the amount of hypotheticals you create by opening the door to fake trades, there is just way too much guesswork involved. If the Texans do happen to pull off a trade, I have to adjust my board to that.
2) I can't assume anyone we've picked will last to our next pick. It's just common sense.
3) On the other hand, I will assume that we've gathered enough draft intelligence to know who will be coming off the board by the time our next pick happens. This is so I don't get stuck with overdrafts of guys that I like that came off the board later than I would have expected.
Enough rules, times for the actual analysis
Round 1, PIck 15
Texans selected: Brian Cushing, LB, USC
Shadow draft selected: Michael Oher, T, Ole Miss
I think it might be piling on at this point to say that we collectively underestimated Brian Cushing, who was a big score for Smithiak (and Bush if you give him that credit). However, considering how weak the offensive line has been, how poorly Duane Brown continues to be in pass protection, and Cushing's lengthy injury history, this is a closer debate then you might think going forward. Oher did struggle some as a left tackle, but I can't just discount all his pass blocking stats (+4.5 at PFF) because he didn't do as well as a LT. At worst, he would've been a massive improvement on Brown. For now though, the Texans found the defensive rookie of the year and one of the best linebackers in the league at the 15th overall pick. I'd say that's a good value.
Other picks that enjoyed some instant success between 1 and 2: Alex Mack, Clay Matthews, Jr. (do you want the tackler or the pass rusher?), Jairus Byrd, Hakeem Nicks, and Vontae Davis.
EDGE: Texans.
Round 2, Pick 46
Texans selected: Connor Barwin, DE/LB, Cincinnati
Shadow draft selected: Connor Barwin, DE/LB, Cincinnati
From my DL in review post:
Barwin's progression was pretty much what you'd expect for someone who'd played just one year of defensive end in college: downright ugly in the first couple of games, but he was a solid contributor from then on, albeit one who made some mental mistakes. I don't think he's average against the run yet, but he's already the second best pass rusher of this lot. Like most of the Texans rookies, expect Barwin to benefit from a full year of OTAs and training camp.
The long-term future is somewhat more up in the air. I'm not sure the coaches will let him overtake Smith, and I'm also not sure he'll be able to stick at linebacker for more than a few gimmick sets. He looked lost the few times I saw him have to play coverage. I'm hoping he gets more snaps this year, but there isn't a clear answer to where they come as long as Smith is on the team. Perhaps to run with my Okoye idea, the Texans can run some more sets with Smith kicked inside and Barwin at his end spot.
So, was he the best pick here? For the future, the answer very well may be yes, considering the impact pass rushers have on the game today. For last year, there are a handful of picks that were probably better. MDC mancrush Sean Smith did some great things in Miami, Sebastian Vollmer blossomed in New England, the Jaguars found a powerful nose in Terrance Knighton, and 2 stellar RB's left the board in Shonn Greene and LeSean McCoy. Of those picks, I think Vollmer and Smith probably were the best ones, in that order. Barwin was always going to be a long-term project, so I'm not willing to concede anything about this pick yet, but Smith sure would look nice right now given the cornerback bind we find ourselves in.
EDGE: Same pick.
Round 3, Pick 77
Texans selected: Antoine Caldwell, C, Alabama
Shadow draft selected: Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama
Impossible to really compare these two in present value because Johnson didn't play much at all last season, although with Antrel Rolle leaving for New York, that could change this coming season. Perhaps it also says something that the Cardinals were willing to let him walk. Caldwell was probably the best interior offensive lineman the Texans had all year, which is damning with faint praise, but things probably would've looked even worse if he had washed out completely.
As far as best players to come off the board between this and the first fourth round pick, Jerraud Powers had a nice rookie season for the Colts, and Mike Wallace dodged many 60 Minutes jokes to become a solid third receiver for the Steelers much earlier than expected.. The best selection out of all of them was probably Baltimore's LaDarius Webb, who was a stud in limited time.
EDGE: Texans.
Round 4, Pick 112
Texans selected: Glover Quin, CB, New Mexico
Shadow draft selected: Chip Vaughn, S, Wake Forest
Not that I had much choice here, with only 10 picks between this one and the next pick, but this turned out comically bad. Quin was one of the steals of the draft, and showed exactly how good the Texans scouting department is by becoming a solid starting corner right off the bat. Chip Vaughn went straight to IR in spring and never emerged. DJ Moore, another popular draftnik sleeper, didn't play a down of football for the Bears. Probably the best non-Quin pick in the 10 was Denver safety David Bruton, who barely played but looked like he belonged when he did.
EDGE: Texans.
Round 4, Pick 122
Texans selected: Anthony Hill, TE, North Carolina State
Shadow draft selected: Andre Brown, RB, North Carolna State
Anthony Hill showed flashes in training camp and briefly in games, but ultimately was a spectator for the majority of the season. Andre Brown immediately blew out his knee after getting drafted. Right now, I think I'd take Brown going forward, especially considering the Texans need for a RB and their relative depth at tight end. For the moment, however, they added about the same amount of nothing to their respective teams last year.
Better picks would've included: the wide receiver trio of Austin Collie (I guess, if you think he isn't a system guy), Johnny Knox, and Louis Murphy. Nobody else really stands out between here and the fifth round, although Jasper Brinkley held up pretty well for someone who was tossed into the fire.
EDGE: Push
Round 5, Pick 152
Texans selected: James Casey, TE, Rice
Shadow draft selected: James Casey, TE, Rice
Casey fits the Owen Daniels mold, although he's a bit more versatile. He's much better catching balls than he is blocking; in fact, I'm a bit puzzled as to why exactly he had such a rough time getting on the field in passing downs after Daniels went down. Casey's season in a microcosm came in a Week 15 play against the Rams. The Texans ran a play-action pass, Schaub came out on the bootleg, Andre Johnson was double or triple covered deep, Vonta Leach was one-on-one in the flat, and Casey was wide open about 10 yards downfield. Schaub throws to Leach, who catches it and goes nowhere, and Casey looks around after the play trying to figure out who was covering him, only to find no one near him.
You have to think Casey's role will grow next season, right? But I really can't see it happening. It's not that he's not talented, but he doesn't bring anything to the field right now that the Texans don't already have. If he's going to be split off the line, the Texans have better receivers and he's not as good as Daniels. If he's going to be on the line, he can't block, and Daniels is again better. If I were him, I'd spend the whole summer learning to block and show I can do that better than anyone else on the team during training camp, because right now, that is his ticket onto the field. Well, that or Daniels holding out or getting hurt again.
Were there better picks? Macho Harris would look nice in retrospect, given the Texans' newfound CB hole. Jamon Meredith played well in limited action for the Bills. The Jacksonville Zach Miller also played a credible tight end, and was much more involved than Casey was over the course of the season. Thomas Morstead provided the Saints with reliable punting. I'd say there were a few better players out there, but again, not many.
EDGE: Same pick.
Round 6, Pick 188
Texans selected: Brice McCain, CB, Utah
Shadow draft selected: AQ Shipley, C, Penn State
McCain was a fairly okay dime back for most of the season after turning heads in training camp, another great find by Smithiak in the sixth round. AQ Shipley hit the Steelers practice squad, was waived, and then was signed up by the Eagles practice squad. I still have a good feeling about him, but it sure didn't happen this year.
The Texans might have been better off selecting Devin McCourty's brother, Jason, who slipped into enemy hands and plays in Tennessee. Myron Pryor didn't look overmatched in his small sample sizes as a Patriots defensive tackle. Bernard Scott and James Davis were a pair of solid committee RBs while healthy.
EDGE: Texans
Round 7, Pick 223
Texans selected: Troy Nolan, S, Arizona State
Shadow draft selected: Chris Baker, DT, Hampton
Finally I can claim semi-victory! Chris Baker went undrafted but spent almost all year on the Denver active roster. Nolan got hurt in training camp and spent the year on IR.
Julian Edelman would've been a better pick than either of them, as would LaRod Stevens-Howling and Rashad Jennings, who I only passed up on because I'd already picked a RB.
EDGE: Push
Welp, the Texans have cleaned my clock after year one. I guess that's the difference between being a professional organization that has tons of tape and a college student who mainly gets draft information on the internet. It'll be interesting to see how these guys continue to develop going forward, and who else emerges from the late round shuffle with a little time to grow. Anyone I missed? Thoughts? Regrets going forward with Barwin over Smith, MDC?
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I think it’d be fun to do one of these this year. Hilarity is guaranteed to ensue.
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There will be one.
At this point I am just hoping to keep it in the same ballpark.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Mar 11, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
I remember reading this back in your site.
Im expecting another one next year after the season is over!
Re: Barwin over Smith
Eh…maybe. (How’s THAT for taking a stand?)
My problem with Barwin is that I don’t think you spend a second-round pick on a situational/limited-role player, especially when there are guys available who fill far more pressing needs. We’d signed Antonio Smith, we’d just drafted Brian Cushing…getting a guy who wasn’t quite solid enough to supplant either of them still seems odd. That said, if he becomes a Dumervil type of third-down monster, it’d be hard to argue that he was a “bad” pick. At the same time, being a pedestrian third-down rusher and having a part-time role in that bizarre 3-3 nickel package ran from time to time isn’t what I want from a R2 pick.
On the flip side, and in the spirit of intellectual honesty, I do admit that my love for Sean Smith (which I still have, Sean…call me) was as a safety. Even I didn’t think he’d be the CB that he is. Though, jeez, can you imagine having that kind of coverage ability with your free safety? For those who didn’t really see Smith much last year, it was because teams just stopped throwing his way whenever possible. The guy is giant for a CB, too, so his lockdown ability is amplified by the fact that he’s as big as the WR you are throwing to generally. Still, I’d like to think that, even if we’d taken Smith as a safety, the powers-that-be would have seen his coverage ability and moved him to CB. /lying to self
So…yeah. I’ll stick with “maybe.” In 2009, I would have rather had Smith. In 2010, maybe Barwin’s physical tools make that decision a little tougher.
texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.
" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown
Have you seen our pash rush
Cause we don’t have one. We need another pass rusher still…
by AllenOU on Mar 11, 2010 10:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
This is true
but it’s not really germane to the comment.
texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.
" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown
your right
i just like to point that out as if yall allready dont know.
you could say, hey, look at the hot piece of ass walking down the street… and ill say, but yeah, have you seen her pash rush.
its like the word fuck. interchangeable in all facets of life!
"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"
This makes more sense than it probably should.
Fuck.
texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.
" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown
by MDC on Mar 11, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Good point
But I think in the end Barwin’s porn stache gives him the edge.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 11, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it's a HUGE step to suggest that they saw him as a CB
I mean, they saw Glover as one.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Mar 11, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Smush Parker?
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Mar 11, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
What a coincidence. I woke up this morning thinking two things 1) I have to pee 2) The NFL network could create a show soley based on past draft/player analysis and showing what scouts/pundits thought of the kids coming out of school and conversely how they actually ended up in the NFL and why. Great post
The closes I've seen
Is ESPN and SI usually do a redraft at the end of the year of the first round.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
The biggest takeaway from this article for me
Is that the Texans have pretty good scouts.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Sure seems like it.
I’d love to see one of them go MoveTheSticks on us.
At this rate, none of them should be fired though.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Mar 11, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
On Brian Cushing
I now everyone was and probably still is, afraid of his being prone to injuries, but from his rookie season, I think unless he breaks something below the waist or tears something, the kid will be on the field playing his heart out. This season alone he was playing with messed up ribs, broken finger and who knows what else. I could even see him with a cast on his arm breaking necks and cashing checks as my friend says all the time. The last time I had a hard on for a LB was my boy Dat Nguyen who finally left the cowgirls to coach at TAMU. Gig ’EM!!!! Maybe TAMU will get back to that scary D they had when Dat played there…. one can only dream!
77-0
that is all
"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"
by Allen-OU on Mar 11, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't give a shit about either team...
but I will ALWAYS rec a solid “scoreboard” argument.
texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.
" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown
Not when it's about ou
Never.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
by bigfatdrunk on Mar 11, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
oh and 65-10 this year
means the ags probably win the game next year
college station is the #1 college football venue in the BIG 12….. and it isnt even close.
love that place, its like a fucking church of football
"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"
If you like your churches filled with mouth-breathing klansmen, that is.
I’m tempted not to say that I was joking, just for giggles.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 11, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
TGC I am too dark to join the Klan...
I tried they said that i walked the walk and talked the talk but my skin kept me from gettin in!!!!
like the rhyme?
Even v. aTm?
Actually…I suppose that would be like you rec’ing a comment about Ohio State beating someone, huh? My bad.
texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.
" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown
ohio state never beats anyone though
except themselves……BURN
"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"
If forced to choose
atm > ou
chugging bleach > atm > ou
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
by bigfatdrunk on Mar 11, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
hey at least OU puts some quality offensive player in the NFL
roy williams…..come on..
KY….. come one
benson is the exception after this year.
NAME ONE WR out of texas that hasnt been a complete bust.
they do put quality TEs in the nfl though
"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"
Earl Campbell
thinks that Adrian Peterson is a pussy
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
And he's right.
I love my uncle Earl.
texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.
" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown
Let's keep it in the last 10 years
Earl was great. But he is like 50
and that’s all you got
AP need to cure his fumbleitis i agree
Marc Clayton thinks Roy Williams is a bitch. And he is
by AllenOU on Mar 11, 2010 2:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Right...typical land thief
I understand now. You are changing the boundaries of the discussion as follows:
- Only discuss WRs, since that is the position that OU has put out a lot more NFL talent than Texas. And make sure we disregard other positions, especially OL, DL, LB, DB since Texas as put out some serious motherfuggin talent at those positions.
- Only discuss the last 10 years, because we wouldn’t want guys like Earl in the conversation as a trump card.
Thank you for the clarification surrounding this discussion. I have noted it, and chosen to ignore it. Please expect a visit from Casey Hampton, Derrick Johnson, and Brian Orakpo soon.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
all in all both programs are pretty equal
the reason i narrowed it to ten years is i want to only include mack brown and bob stoops era.
im 4th gen houstonian and MY ENTIRE FAMILY except me, literally everyone went to UT… it is just to much fun.
orakpo has played one year, but he is a stud.
tommie harris was a stud and now is just lazy.
and in my eyes troy aikman was never a sooner….fuck him.
the one surprise for me is jamal charles…..dude is legit and in my eyes is what mr kardashian should have been….
but yes i will steal your land and you will like it, SOONER rather than later
"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"
by Allen-OU on Mar 11, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I rec'd this because:
1. You didn’t take my comment like Bryan would have
2. Jamaal Charles is from the town where I was born, and brought me great joy when I watched him rush for nearly 300 yards against Nebraska
3. Fuck Troy Aikman
4. Fuck Barry Switzer
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
by Shake on Mar 11, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Unlike Dunta (as far as I know),
“Fuck Troy Aikman” can be an insult or an entry on some dude’s To Do list.
texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.
" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown
by MDC on Mar 11, 2010 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I hate Joe Buck
eom
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I can't believe no one else has rec'd this.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 12, 2010 8:21 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with all you said
But even though Switzer is a bitch, anyone that gives his players automatic guns is cool in my book!!!
And I don’t take comments hard. It’s all In good fun.
All I can say is it is a shame Jamarcus Russell didn’t to UT. That would have been sweeeet!
by AllenOU on Mar 11, 2010 4:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Except on game day
In good fun goes out the window when the two big 12 powerhouses meet on the field.
And no ATM isn’t one of them
by AllenOU on Mar 11, 2010 5:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
By the way
I was at that neb game with my GF at the time who cried!!!
I didn’t know who to root for, so I just cheered when anyone did anything good
by AllenOU on Mar 11, 2010 4:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
How many pros has EITHER school had in Falconry?
Well, then… shut the fuck up!
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
GAWD
Allen you are killing me smalls…..
I am talking about the Future not the past… lol..
Plus you must admit the Aggie D of the mid to late 90’s was scary….
oh hell yeah
and i root for the ags actaully…. but the 77-0 game i was in the student section, and we threw a rope over the top of the stadium, had pledges tie a 30 pack of keystone to it, and hauled it up into the student section. IT WAS THE BEST FOOTBALL GAME IVE BEEN TO, quickly followed by a 2 hour stint in the back of a norman police squad car.
seriously true story
i also met the love of my life for the next three years at the game so it has sentimental value…
"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"
This is fucking priceless
Even better in high school. Everyone did this shit in college.
We even made sportscenter that week!!!
by AllenOU on Mar 11, 2010 6:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
HAHA
We had a “bar” operating during lunch in the cafeteria, 2 L sprite and Coke Bottles helped disguise the liquors.. the only reason we got shut down was because someone was stupid and took the jack and coke into class and left the cap off… I never got caught but a lot of others went down for it.
I have no doubts about Cushing's competitiveness
But he did miss some games in college. It wouldn’t surprise me if he missed some in the NFL as well.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Mar 11, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
See, also, missing a chunk of the preseason due to injury.
texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.
" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown
Allen iverson says this Is cool though
by AllenOU on Mar 11, 2010 2:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Allen iverson says this Is cool though
by AllenOU on Mar 11, 2010 2:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Allen iverson says this Is cool though
^Trifecta
by Jordann on Mar 11, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"i also met the love of my life for the next three years"
You’re only going to be around for three years (or less)?
Seize the day, man!
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 11, 2010 1:10 PM CST reply actions
she was a cheerleader and i got caught in the abyss
im making up for it in my late 20’s thats for sure!!
and i was there for 4 years……and another year…..oh and one more…….so 6 lol!
"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"
Isn't that standard for you state school guys?
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 12, 2010 8:23 AM CST up reply actions
Would anyone be interested
if I made this available for everyone to do?
I can put up a page with available players, and I could record everyone’s picks so we could see who beats Smithiak this time next year.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
by texanphil on Mar 11, 2010 3:15 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Would be awesome
I can’t wait to see what MDC’s sig will be next year.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
we could make it like a fantasy game
I collect $100 from you now, and then this time next year I’ll grade everyone’s picks and tell you who wins. Sounds fair, right?
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
Yeah, seems fair
In a Nigerian 419 scam sort of way.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
rule #3
if I’m gonna do this, I need to know some ground rules, and rule #3 is confusing to me. I’m not that bright.
On the other hand, I will assume that we’ve gathered enough draft intelligence to know who will be coming off the board by the time our next pick happens. This is so I don’t get stuck with overdrafts of guys that I like that came off the board later than I would have expected.
Can someone explain that to me?
And is there a list anywhere of all of the eligible players available to draft, or is it every human being who has been out of high school for 3 years and not currently under an NFL contract?
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
I think I found the list
And I think we should draft Derek Guggenberger - OLB Butler. I want to see that name on a Texans jersey.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
by texanphil on Mar 11, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll try
Basically Rule 3 is there so that you can pick anyone who went between this pick and the next pick. If you were forced to draft under the gun like the Texans were, you could select someone who goes a round (or rounds) later in the draft, because as fans we aren’t as well-informed about what other teams draft boards will look like.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Mar 11, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
so this wasn't done real time?
I figured you made the pick at the time they made it. You just made the picks sometime after the draft only being allowed to select players taken between our picks?
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
You make the pick for the first round after the second pick is made
by riversmccown on Mar 11, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
so
It could be done after the draft, under these rules, right?
I was thinking real time, then there would be no reason for rule #3. Is there something I’m missing?
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
by texanphil on Mar 11, 2010 4:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think so
If you do it in real time you might overdraft someone by a few rounds. It’s a failsafe I put in to keep myself from looking too stupid.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Mar 11, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
No
I’d hate you for stealing my UNIQUE SNOWFLAKE POST IDEA that I blatantly ripped off from someone else.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Mar 11, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
you could just record your picks here also
and then be the only one to write eloquently it, while taking subtle jabs at the Frank Bush era.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
If they're subtle
I’m not trying hard enough :(
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Mar 11, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
ahem
write eloquently it,
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
it would be ironic
If I was claiming I right elloquently
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
by texanphil on Mar 11, 2010 4:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
im in
can i make an early choice for chris brown as our #1 pick. he has a bad ass name, is from OU, AND can actually thrown a TD pass to his own guy.
"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"
Well, since Rhonda double-barreled both Browns...
I’d say this is out
by HoustonTransplant on Mar 11, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
Tiger woods approves of this comment
by AllenOU on Mar 11, 2010 6:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Rec for awesomeness
Can I get a tshirt!
by AllenOU on Mar 11, 2010 6:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I can get you something like it...
http://www.zazzle.com/i_wanna_be_like_tiger_tshirt-235277466683295033
Can’t use Tiger’s name or picture Copyright infringements and such!!!

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