Wade Smith: Where Are We Going With This?
The Texans' first journey into non-futures free agency came last week as they inked ex-Chiefs guard Wade Smith to a 4 year, $12 million contract with $4.25 million in guarantees. We had a nice little FanPost on the subject, but it was sort of hijacked by an argument along the lines of "Duane Brown is bad." "Nuh uh!" "Yuh huh!" and so on. So lets spend a little time talking about what Smith will bring to the team.
Kuharsky's AFC South blog on the subject linked to Scouts, Inc's take on him, so let's start with that:
Smith had been pretty much a career backup up until he started seven games in 2008. He is athletic with good short-area quickness, agility, balance and body control. His most glaring weakness is his inability to stop powerful bull rushers on the inside. He understands angles and can react to movement and adjust to counter moves. He is more of a finesse blocker than a road-grader. He gives the Chiefs solid depth in that he can back up multiple positions.
The good side of this is that he sounds like a fit for the zone blocking scheme, which is pretty much what you'd expect from a Texans OL addition. The bad side is that the "inability to stop powerful bull rushers on the inside" made me think of Chris Myers, which just made me go into convulsions. Jaohhhh...okay, okay, better.
Next, I solicited a take on the subject from our sister Chiefs SBN site, Arrowhead Pride. The general consensus among their commenters is that they liked Smith but didn't think he was worth the money that he got. Here is what I got out of Joel Thorman from AP:
Wade Smith is one of those guys that you won't miss until they're gone. He's seemed to fit a lot of the criteria the Chiefs head coach and GM are looking for in players so his release was a little confusing (until I saw the contract).
Smith was actually a backup heading into the season but because of injuries ended up seeing time at center, left tackle, left guard and quite a bit of time at right guard. He's versatile, tough and quietly does his job.
The Chiefs line was terrible so admittedly it's hard to say he's a great player but he did rise above the other Chiefs at times.
I'd like to thank Joel for that tidbit, and you can check out their other stories on Smith here. It's hard to fault the Chiefs and their fans for not wanting to overpay for an older player at a non-core position, especially given how Pioli works to cut costs and how they may be more than a few pieces away from being competitive again.
As far as the roster juggling goes, Kasey Studdard probably should be the one looking in his locker for red slips to send him down to the practice squad based on performance, but the coaches' unrequited love for him probably means Chris White is the favorite to be wandering the streets around Reliant shouting, "THEY TOOK R JERBS!"
From a statistical standpoint, White and Smith both performed about equally in their part time duty. The difference, last year, was what they were better at. Take it away, Pro Football Focus:
So this does appear, by the statistics, to be a run game fix. Of course, if you ask Football Outsiders (and who doesn't these days?) the Chiefs' offensive line was abysmal up the gut in 2009, finishing 30th in ALY on runs to the middle and 32nd on runs to right tackle. In 2008, they finished 30th in ALY on runs to the middle and 31st to right tackle. At least they were consistent. Of course, these could be due to surrounding Smith with Rudy Niswanger (a net -26 the last two years by PFF), Ryan O'Callaghan (a stunning -20.2 last year at RT), and Damian McIntosh in 2008 (-10.8 at RT in 2008), but FO refuses to speculate on individual offensive linemen. Either way, it's pretty clear that Smith was not surrounded by optimal talent on the KC offensive line.
Gary Kubiak has said that he'll compete to start at all three offensive line slots. My gut feeling is that the path of least resistance is at left guard. While the Texans aren't a completely transparent organization, if Antoine Caldwell is your presumptive starting right guard, that tells me they still have faith in Myers. And if they still have faith in Myers, that means that Studdard, Smith, White, and Mike Brisiel will compete at left guard, with two of the losers sticking around to man the bench and one of them heading to the practice squad or another team.
Bottom line: I'm not completely in love with the Smith signing, but it's essentially low-risk, medium-reward. The worst case scenario is that he ends up being line depth while the Texans suffer no injuries, essentially making him a highly paid binky that we can claim keeps tigers away and the offensive line healthy. The best case scenario for the signing is probably that he starts at left guard, revitalizes the run game, and makes Studdard a reserve. Either way, the Texans have bought themselves better interior stability at a slight markup. Were there more important issues? I suspect most fans would say cornerback is a bigger need to address. But the Texans have stuck to their guns on who was worth what in the opening week, for better or for worse.
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Can't be worse than myers
Just not possible
by AllenOU on Mar 16, 2010 2:31 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Major League reference? Check.
South Park reference? Check.
Well, you’ve met my criteria for rec’ing a post.
texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.
" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
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its still an upgrade
If its an upgrade whether he starts or hes depth, it still helps. I wish I knew what they see in Myers because he always looks like the weak link to me. I agree with you that Brisiel’s spot seems the most likely landing spot for Smith.
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I would be stunned
If the starting five isn’t
brown Caldwell smith breisel Winston
Stunned!
by AllenOU on Mar 16, 2010 3:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
it’s not like any of the Olineman stand out for any one of us to be “stunned” if the starting lineup gets shifted. although the money smith is making, there’s little doubt in my mind that the Texans are thinking: starter. However, i’m thinking Caldwell and Studdard are going to become the starting guards w/ Smith taking control of the Center position.
What happens if there is an injury?
This O-line is not built to withstand anything…. This is not good.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
The sad part is
as bad as Meyers can be…I still think he was an upgrade over what he replaced.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Only over Flanagan.
Compared to those two though, McKinney was a friggin’ HOFer. We never realized how good we had it with him and Weary…
Ugh, Flanagan
shudder
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by riversmccown on Mar 16, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I always found it funny....
people around me would blame McKinney for the once a game fumbled snaps, and not Zoolander. But ever since Schaub has been here, maybe one or two fumbled exchanges in total.
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This isn't about Duane Brown!!!
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
infocentral!
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@thetexans just officially announced the signing of free agent G/C Wade Smith. He’ll wear #74 in Houston
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Totally planned this
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by riversmccown on Mar 16, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty much matches my feeling on it
Taking the contract out of the equation for the moment. I would say there’s a pretty good chance he starts at one of the interior line positions improving us there, and if not he will definitely upgrade the bench. I doubt we have another season like a couple of years ago where all five lineman start 16 games so it’s a good solid move. The kind of move that doesn’t make big headlines, but that you need to build a great team.
Take the contract into account…and I still like it about the same. Overpaid? Probably, but 4.5 mill gauranteed isn’t going to hamstring us down the road. If he sees the full 12 mill that means he’s likely doing a good job and has maybe earned a really cool non-mocking nickname and won many VLKTFO awards. Not saying I wouldn’t have liked him to come a little cheaper, but it’s not outrageous IMO.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
What does other needs have to do with it
Do you think that their choice was sign this guy for o-line depth or sign a CB?
No.
Then what does it matter if they have other things to improve that can make more impact. They should work to improve where they can…the free agent market isn’t like Walmart. There is only so much available.
Agree
I don’t think it was an either or choice, and I don’t think that’s what Rivers is insinuating here. BUT, I think that’s what a lot of people are getting out of the signing. The CB talent, aside from Bodden – kinda – was negligible. I think we filled a pretty massive hole with a thoughtful signing.
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Maybe if Mcnair wasn't such a cheapass
And had paid Dunta some cash we would have our shutdown corner by now.
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We could have paid Atlanta-money for Dunta and still not had a shutdown corner...
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
no way
texans offered dunta nearly 20 mill guaranteed money along w/ franchising him last year. dunta got way too greedy for no reason. The Texans had no reason to warrant paying Dunta top 5 CB money when he isn’t even the best corner on this team: QQ is. I’ll admit Dunta was great for a good portion of his career, and was a leader on this defense, but his demands didn’t match his performance on the field. end of story. If Bodden came in here for 5 mil a year, imo, that’s an upgrade AND a bargain, but it didnt’ happen. Hope, the Texans draft two corners in this year’s draft (both early).
I’m not sure if I was being more sarcistic or more trolltastic, but I apoligize for making you think I actually wanted dunta back. :-p
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"ooohhhhh!!!!"
i say as i watch another joke sailing over my head.
He's always stealing mine, but I can't take credit for this one...
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I was just pointing it out
Because some people seemed to think the Texans were being cheap by not going harder after Bodden or any of the big name free agents….well, they did have a slight overpay. Just not at CB.
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by riversmccown on Mar 16, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
The way I see it
He can’t hurt us because he’s competing against Suddard and Ragdoll who are abominations, and it’s an uncapped year so I don’t care about the money. So you know. Whatever. Yay Wade Smith and stuff.
We tend to do pretty well when it comes to evaluating talented mid-level players like this (though in my opinion, street agents are really Smith’s special skill) so I have faith inRick Smith that he’s adding something to the mix at what I think is a fairly reasonable price.
That said, if Wade Smith can’t displace Studdard he might want to consider commiting seppukku on general principle.
He'll compete for a starter position
He’ll either replace Studdard or Myers…hopefully.
I still feel like they need to add a bit of depth in the draft. A guard in round 4 (like Mitch Petrus, Mike Johnson, or Marshall Newhouse) and a tackle in round 6 or 7 (Dennis Landolt, Alonzo Durham, or James Williams).
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by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 17, 2010 5:04 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
That might even be too late.
If you’re drafting versatile offensive linemen, I’d say it’s worth spending a 2nd or 3rd round pick on one every single year. We’ve lost a lot of good linemen due to injuries (Spencer, Weary, Pitts, McKinney). If we’d had more talented guys backing them up and ready to step in, I think we probably would have made the playoffs by now.
Chris Brown sucks
But you can’t blame everything on him. If we get a push at all, he scores.
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by nolander on Mar 16, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn you
You remind me of my wife.
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I'm not sure how to take that
I’ll just assume its a compliment
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She complains about my push
Or lack thereof.
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but she doesn't blame you, okay...
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
The important thing
Is he won’t try to have sex with you
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by riversmccown on Mar 16, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Your sure sure of yourself hot tits!!
by AllenOU on Mar 16, 2010 10:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
COMPLETELY agree.
I think adding offensive lineman in the top 3 rounds is a MUST every year. The position is in particular high demand for a pass happy offense, and seeing as big guys heal alot slower, adding quality depth through the draft is very underrated especially on the offensive line. If you pay attention to the best teams, they address the interior offensive lineman early in the draft consistently. The Patriots drafted Vollmer from UH last year, as one example.
I have a lot of hope for our run game next year
Keep in mind Briesel’s specialty is run blocking, so either him or Smith or both(please let it happen) will already be an upgrade.
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So best case scenario.....
Brown – Smith – Caldwell – Briesel – Winston
Stenavich, Studdard, Myers/Helms, (need a G) and Butler
Something like that
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He took #74
Means Helms is gone?
I think they have him compete for C starter. I’d still like them to draft Walton however. Add some more depth and groom Walton for eventual start. Pushes Myers (hopefully) on down the totem pole.
by HoustonTransplant on Mar 16, 2010 5:04 PM CDT reply actions
eh..
ESPN and NFL.com has him listed as 74. I looked at mothership and they already updated Smith at 74.
Guess they already updated Helms’ number as well
by HoustonTransplant on Mar 16, 2010 5:18 PM CDT reply actions
we need to release myers.
put duane brown at LG, put caldwell at center (he played it in college), put smith at LT, winston at RT, and brisel at RG. since the scouting report on smith said he is a finesse blocker, i think we should put him at tackle, he would match up well with freeney. brown is a bit too big and slow for tackle, his strength is run blocking and i think he would flourish at guard. now we would have good size in our interior line which was our weakness last year.
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by nolander on Mar 16, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
interesting.
i’ve heard rumblings about moving duane brown to guard later on in his career, however, seeing as we lack any true tackle prospects w/in the organization, i don’t see this coming into fruition any time soon. Especially considering Duane Brown was drafted as “Kubiak’s wet dream trade-down, fill a need LT fantasy.” however, there’s no hiding or denying the fact that run blocking is the biggest glaring weakness of the Texans and must be addressed both by a RB and OL depth in the draft.
Yes, thank you!
We should be talking about Duane Brown! I don’t know WHY Rivers keeps putting this topic off…
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
We just had a 200+ comment thread on it
I figure we can let it simmer a little bit longer.
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by riversmccown on Mar 16, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I musta missed that one....
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Where the fuck was this!!!!
We need a pic thread for this one
by AllenOU on Mar 16, 2010 10:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Might have been at that other blog...what's it called?
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
we wouldn't want another 200 comment thread, either...
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Smith
is NOT a LT option.
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by riversmccown on Mar 16, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
What? You're crazy!
Obviously a 6-year back-up/rotational starting center/guard would be our answer at LT.
Plus,
he got game experience at LT last season for the Chiefs. He would be better than any OT we draft because he’d have experience.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 17, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Not forgotten, just not spoken of....
The Texans pretty much line up in that 5 TE set every down, don’t they? Isn’t being a former TE pretty much a prerequisite to being an O-lineman on this team?
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
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W Smith is a solid player and I think it was a good signing for you. A little off topic, but I’m curious to get your opinions on another Chief you aquired during the season: Pollard.
Has he really turned it around in Houston to become this great safety? Man, I just remember that guy being horrible in pass defense and missing tackles. He could lay the wood, but that was about it. I ask because Walterfootball gave him 4 freaking stars in their free agency analysis.
By the way, hope you guys get into the playoffs next season. I thought for sure it was going to happen last season. You guys should draft Kyle Wilson out of Boise State. He has what it takes between the ears to be a shutdown corner in the NFL. You made the right decision in not paying Dunta.
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2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and keep Dorsey
Pollard rocks!
Apparently a change of scenery was what he needed, ’cuz last season we definitely played better as a defense after he got into the lineup.
Now, there may be some folks that think that his insertion into the lineup just happened to coincide with Cushing and <the cornerback who’s name shall not be spoken> both finishing their in-season 4-game preseason, but I tend to think that Pollard made a big difference and I’m happy that we had him.
I see polLard as...
The Texans John Lynch…. Yeah I said it!!! Big hitter not great keepin up with them quick footed skinny legged guys who catch them balls….
I do agree a lil with hounddog… it is a little hard wether the big difference in our d was BP or the in season preseason… since both coincided
Pollard and Cushing turned the whole defense around.
They come to the stadium looking to knock the piss outta somebody. He actually wasn’t too awful in pass coverage, I think he led the team in interceptions. He picked off Brady and Manning and that is an accomplishment in itself.
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Cushing...
and him were tied in INT’s right?
Cushing also picked off manning, just not brady
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agreed
Pollard (and Cushing obviously) were two of the bigger reasons this defense improved down the stretch. For fans who have been deprived of any playmakers in the secondary for the past 5-6 years (lol….isn’t it sad when we can say Aaron Glenn has been our franchise’s best DB??). Pollard was a definite improvement. Oh man…if only Earl Thomas dropped to #20.
I haven't read all the comments
So it might be like “beating the dead horse” as you people say but I definitely thought Myers when I read that big bull rushers line too. If you’ve seen the berries and creme starburst commercial I made the sound the “lad” makes after hearing what kind of starbursts those guys were eating. The only thing is I made it in a bad way like with my eyes closed and more shuddering. Here’s the link if you haven’t seen it:
Around the 13 second mark is what I’m talking about.
I also agree with whoever had said this before about this signing giving the Texans too much confidence in their O-Line and thus not drafting some more talent in the trenches. It gives me the feeling that Dennison is proud about his abilities as a coach, which is a generally a good thing but it might be a little too much.
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“I’m a little lad that loves ragdoll and assraping???” lol jk… that comercial made me want to kick puppies when it was on tv… thanx for reintroducing it to my life…
I think that thought about the Texans taking O-line off their priorities
might be more the consensus…
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Ya but I felt like I should give credit where it's due
someone posted it and then everybody agreed aftwerwards
by Albiceleste on Mar 19, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Pollard
I think Pollard is a good, not great player, who primarily got cut from the Chiefs because of some trivial stuff where he wasn’t getting along with the new coaching staff.
It is possible that the Texans are using him better than the Chiefs did – doing a better job of putting him in a position to succeed and covering his flaws.
Also, his presence coincided with the improvement of the defense, so he gets all the credit, when in reality, it was a number of things. The defense’s key improvement after four games was at not giving up 50+ yard TDs on 3rd and long (also cutting way down the ridiculous percentage of 3rd and long 1st downs given up). So while the improvement drastically improved their success, it was a more subtle, not massive change.
This effect is just like how Sharper gets all the credit for the Saints, when Jabari Greer was clearly the key, IMO.
hes a nice backup and spot starter...but for that kind of money....look what KC paid ryan lilja...thats what wade should have been paid...
lilja…3 years…7.5 mil.
Jamaal "do it all" Charles
KC Will Trade Derrick Johnson
That's why some of us are questioning this signing.
It would be no problem if it wasn’t for the money.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 17, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
That's starter money!
He better be good….
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