Texans' Free Agency: Consternation? Or Fiscally Prudent?
by bigfatdrunk on Mar 20, 2010 9:16 AM CDT
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There seems to be much consternation about the Texans' lack of free agency activity this year. Compared to the Bears or Falcons, we've been downright boring. Just look at the (ridiculous) contracts handed out to guys like Julius Peppers, Chester Taylor, and some guy named Dunta Robinson.
I think this is why Moneyball is the least understood book in sports history. The book was never about walks or OBP or finding players with bad scouting reports who put up good numbers. It was always about finding market inefficiencies and exploiting them. It's a business book, not a sports book.
No matter what, we are still working under a set of financial restraints, cap or not. Uncle Bob may be rich, but he’s not crazy.
Over the next couple of years, we have a boatload of players we need to re-sign, including DeMeco Ryans, Owen Daniels, and Mario Williams. So, we have a choice: sign FAs when they’re at their earning, but not necessarily playing, peaks. OR, we can continue to build via the draft and the occasional smart trade. Spending huge amounts on FA (see the Bears), you are potentially hamstringing yourself down the line. Does anybody really think the Bears will be that much better after their drunken sailor spending spree this off-season? There is a huge risk tied up in the Peppers and Taylor contracts, and I guess I'm just not seeing the reward justifying the risk. In addition, there seems (I have no proof) to be higher guaranteed dollars this year. For example, there's no way Antrel Rolle is in the conversation for best free safeties, but he's now the top paid at his position with a whopping $15MM of that guaranteed.
You sign the big FAs when they’re the last guy or two to put you over the top. I think Antonio Smith was that kind of guy last year. But aside from Leigh Bodden, and only kinda, the only guy I really want is Rob Sims. Why Sims? Because he's young and he has his peak years ahead, not behind, of him. Otherwise, you can have your overpriced Peppers and Taylors and Rolles and the rest.
Yes, it’s kind of boring, but it’s also financially prudent. You simply just can’t go spending max dollars and receive minimum efficiencies.
The only other case I see where the Texans' FO might have tripped up is when Antonio Cromartie was traded for pennies to the Jets. So now, I ask you: where do you see where the Texans messed/are messing up in free agency? And why?
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Preaching to the choir....
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Amen
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Mar 20, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Most definitely fiscally prudent. I’m with you on all counts, Geoff. If you’re preaching to the choir, then it just means the readers here are smart. I of course am a regular, but in the last month, I’ve had no time to read here – much less WRITE on my own blog, hahaha.
So, I haven’t really been able to feel the pulse of BRB lately, but I kind of figured most of us would be in agreement on this.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Mar 20, 2010 9:31 AM CDT reply actions
Who's Geoff?
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Someone cooler than you.
"I'm just looking forward to something great happening in the city of Houston" - Tracy McGrady
Still waiting...
I think you meant uglier
And stupider.
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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 20, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
right
that = cooler in the intertubes
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
This is consternating...
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I can't be mad at them not wanting to overpay or get into bad contracts
As I saw when I did my value post, Smith has been good about minimizing bad contracts. Aside from the Chester Pitts saga (he says it’s HOU, DET, or SF in the mix), I don’t see them making any other moves pre-draft. They’ll probably make final touches post-draft if they are any holes left (though there won’t be if they draft smart).
I’ll be mad if they go RB in rounds 1 or 2 of the draft. It can wait til round 3. We got bigger fish to fry.
Those are resonable thoughts
I think most of us would like to see the Texans build their team so they are competitive every season. Those that want or need one great season, with the management getting crazy in free agency, are risking many down seasons as the team tries to dig themselves out of their mistakes. Plus the likelihood that you can go out and buy a Super Bowl in the NFL has been dis-proven by the Daniel Snyders of the league. There is absolutely no predictability that you can buy a Super Bowl.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Rec'd
I just don’t see how throwing money at a bunch of high-dollar free agents, when the Texans have so many of their own players to worry about in the next two years, would’ve made much sense this year.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
Why we didn't sign Cromartie
http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/antonio-cromarties-facebook-leaked-already-posted-1343164/
ALSO
There are the SEVEN children he has and has paternity payments for. The jets had to give the guy a 500,000 dollar advance.
FUCK.THAT.SHIT.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
That is freaking hilarious
And he has seven children? SEVEN?
I think that’s more times than Tim’s even had sex.
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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 20, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
But that # will go up once he gets married
/snickers
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
With people, you meant.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 20, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry I lied about the kids
He actually has NINE FUCKING KIDS.
Cromartie has nine children with eight women living in five states, and has been named in at least five paternity suits in the past two year
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Thanks for finding that so I did not have to
Cromartie is not worth what he was traded for. I don’t think we would have signed him even if he was a free agent.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 20, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget
He was a CB vastly overrated in coverage who couldn’t (or wouldn’t) play the run. Sound familiar?
ok thank you for the clear explanations
BFD, your explanations made lots of sense.
It’s just going to be a bit of a long boring wait ’til the draft then.
seriously long and boring . . .
a person just gets to thinking .. “everyone else made all these big moves and the Texans do …nada”
Anyways, thanks for the explanations.
HAHA!
Seriously, I don’t disagree. It IS boring.
I meant to add, but forgot, that I don’t want to go the Ed Wade rout, which is:
1. Sign a bunch of old, crappy players for a ton of money (Lyon, Feliz, etc.)
2. ???
3. PROFIT!
It has the appearance of doing something, but it doesn’t. You’re just shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic faster and faster, buying a few old, used expensive ones before the whole sucker sinks into the ocean, anyway. With the Texans FO, I can at least see and understand their plan. I don’t always agree, but it’s still a plan.
Contrast with Ed Wade. I’ll give you a moment…
….
….
Yeah.
Ed Wade delenda est (h/t DT).
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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 20, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Houston sports fans have the wide spectrum of GMs....
Daryl Morey (aggressive moves) to Rick Smith (patient, tempered building) to Ed Wade (garbage)
Don't forget the Dynamo GM!
What’s his/her name again?
"I'm just looking forward to something great happening in the city of Houston" - Tracy McGrady
Still waiting...
At least s/he's done something the other three haven't
brought championships to Houston
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Mar 20, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Technically
San Jose brought championships to Houston….they didn’t exactly have to start from scratch here
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Well, those championships are in Houston, not San Jose
So thanks for building a championship team & bringing them to Houston to win them
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Mar 22, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be none other than Oliver Luck.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 20, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Praetera censeo Cato the elder
Approves this message.
Very kind
To further my rallying cry. The Astros wont be saved until Wade goes and Uncle Drayton sells.
Sigh.
by DisplacedTexan on Mar 20, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Glass half full
One of these two could happen as soon as next year.
But sadly you are correct
by AllenOU on Mar 20, 2010 4:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
They are for sale, right?
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
MLB won't let Mark Cuban buy a team, & he's our best hope for an owner that wants to win
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Mar 22, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
For a league that needs an influx of excitement
I would think Mark Cuban would be on the shortlist. I like the idea of him taking over the Astros.
Wait. How did this thread turn into the soccer and baseball thread?
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
We need something to talk about in order to pass the time..
until Jakespeare makes another performance, or that draft thing everyone’s talking about.
by typhoon.infamous on Mar 24, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Drayton is selling the team like he demands Ed Wade run it
Buy high, sell low.
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by riversmccown on Mar 20, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Man I miss Dierker
Oh the good ole days of watching the ’Stros, They would do amazing but face the braves first round and out, then the one time we actually get to the Series, Chi-towns White sax spank us!!! I dont think i have really paid attention to the Stros the past couple years… sad
DUMB QUESTION OF THE DAY
What is FO, as in “With the Texans FO, I can at least see and understand their plan.”?
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Thx
The best I could come up with was Football Operations, but Front Office sounds better.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Fellatio Opportunities?
The Sex Cannon approves this message.
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by DaGoaT on Mar 21, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Mostly yes
The problem – and I thin this explains a lot of what the Bears did – is that fanbases and/or owners also have a “win immediately!” mentality. A lot of FOs or coaches fear that if they don’t make the playoffs THIS YEAR, they will be fired. If that is what you are facing, most of the free agents will be better than most of your rookies, and it may well make sense to go after them in order to win now, even if doing so will present lots of financial problems in the future.
Although, Thomas Jones for 5 million dollars over two years was pretty cheap …
I totally agree with Kiitacular here.
Our owner, coaches and GM have a long term view to their moves. They are keeping the core players together (and hopefully happy), they need to pay OD, DeMeco and whoever else is coming up to the end of their contracts.
I’d hate to see a big name player brought in to steal all the money away from the solid guys we already have.**
(** With the exception of my Peppers suggestion, but that was only to be a one or two year deal)
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by distant_texans_fan on Mar 20, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
good point on peppers
But they gave him $42MM!!!! guaranteed. How can anybody sane compete with that? But it takes just one owner/gm to do something really stupid.
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And that owners name is
Al Davis. Or Daniel Snyder.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 20, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Stupid Owner/GM...
Kellen Winslow’s agent disagrees with this entire premise.
The cocksucker.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Total agreement "geoff"
I wouldn’t mind giving up our second for marshall the cb from carolina, taking a FS or DT in the first and RB in the third.
It will never happen, but it would be nice to see. Marshall is better than every cb in the draft right now, and that what we need.
Maybe even look into Carlos Rogers and see if they’ll take a fourth or third next year for him
by AllenOU on Mar 20, 2010 1:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Second seems steep.
Is he really that good? In general though, I definitely would like to see us make a move for a tendered player. Yes, draft picks are valuable. But this year, quality players are going for absolutely nothing. Rhodes for a 4th and future 6th? Gimme a break. Now, I’d like to build through the draft as much as anyone, but this franchise is in a difficult position right now. I know we’ve said it for the past couple years, but it really is playoffs or bust right now, and it’s a mighty tough schedule we’ve got coming up.
I tend to like quiet off-seasons, but they need a quality contributor right now. If it takes a 2nd or 3rd-rounder and a big contract extension to bring in that guy at a position of need, then I think it’s definitely worth it.
I think he could be worth a second
And a Leigh bodden like contract. He is young and athletic and looked good in both games against the saints actually. It’s a gamble no doubt but if they thought he had potential to be a #1 cb than maybe you go for it. He can’t possibly want to stay in CAR so I bet he would work his ass off
by AllenOU on Mar 20, 2010 4:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Cromartie
has been pretty mediocre the last two season and also has off field issues. While it be nice to go into the draft without a gaping hoke in the secondary, I think passing on Cromartie was the right move for the Texans.
Agreed on all counts
And lets be honest, wouldn’t most of us completely lose our shit if we blew a ton of money in FA before locking up DeMeco and OD?
It depends on who gets that money...
but yeah, DeMeco and Pollard (and Schaub and Mario) deserve new deals before we blow money.
being active in FA isnt needed for success
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
by DaGoaT on Mar 20, 2010 9:42 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
-signed Colts, Pats, and Steelers
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
This is what I've been thinking
As the week wound down with no major Texans signings, I took a hard dose of reality. We aren’t trying to compete with the Bears or the Falcons. It sounds ridiculous, but you don’t emulate the bottom of the pack or even the mediocre of the pack, you emulate the leaders. The Alpha Wolves.
The Colts have remained nearly silent, resigning only one or two of their players and watching a few select (read: desperate) GMs and FOs throw unnecessarily high contracts at players whom they clearly consider not worth the amounts.
The last two or three seasons, this has been the MO of the Colts. Regardless your feelings on the matter, they are still one of the best teams in the league. They compete year in and year out, and they’ve built a team that lasts. They aren’t the one hit wonders, and for that, I respect them — even despite the obnoxious fans that litter their forums and other cough texans fan forums.
So if anything, those of you who are crying for the Texans to make some move, saying that mediocre won’t cut it anymore…take a step back. Examine the best teams in the league and what moves they are making. Nothing mind blowing that I’ve seen. Nothing that screams “necessary moves”.
Also, keep in mind that Smithiak signed Pollard after the regular FA period was over. They got him for dirt cheap, and was he not worth the wait?
I have to trust this FO, even in the face of the constant barrage of “mediocrity” critics.
I’d rather be competitive year in and year out, than have a one hit wonder. Sure, the SuperBowl is the best…but what good is it if you only can have it once. I want a dynasty. I want the rest of the league to hate us like they hate the Pats and the Colts.
The FO will make the moves necessary to take the next step. But it’s still early yet. There’s still time. (Goodness I have a tendency to ramble…)
by Fuzion on Mar 20, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Well said.
We’ve been saying the same up in Seattle, but yet our front office is now officially a shit sideshow.
Dancing bears are just around the corner.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Mar 22, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
There's always room...
On the Texans bandwagon for someone who dislikes their hometown FO. Lol. Just know that once you go Texans, you never go back.
Well, I picked you guys as my AFC team, but I'm not ready to go all the way.
It really was an easy choice in the AFC. Didn’t exist when we were in the AFC, a half-defeated fan base with a strange optimism despite it, and a fun and exciting team to watch, with a bald QB named Matt.
Easy choice.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Mar 22, 2010 2:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
teh Schaub
He prefers hair folliclely challenged.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
Rec'd
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by distant_texans_fan on Mar 20, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
"FA isn't needed for success"
Correct in a number of ways.
For the player or the team – The player makes more money, but there is no guarantee that he will go to his new team and have success. Case in point; last year’s big FA move was the Washington Redskins paying big bucks for Albert Haynesworth. In doing so, the Redskins addressed one need while overlooking several other big needs and proceeded to go 4-12. That move did not translate to success for the FA player or the team that acquired him. Of course, Albert Haynesworth is better able to feed his family, so they win in this scenario.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I’m pretty certain he ate his family.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
by DaGoaT on Mar 21, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That explains a few things
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by distant_texans_fan on Mar 21, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
And he will be a DE
In the 3-4 this year. What a waste.
I remember everyone around here wanting us to try and get him. Glad we passes on that crap
by AllenOU on Mar 21, 2010 4:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Would be Awesome!!!
Have we shown interest in Rob Sims?
He was originally a 4th rounder and that is all they have tendered for him.
Your occasional Hawk fan visitor here...
I was asked via email to comment on Sims a while back, and I apologize for the delay.
On Rob Sims… first, the Hawks are IDIOTS for not retaining this guy. Of course, the new Front Office appears to subscribe some alternative reality where overpaying and undervaluing are the new football equivalent to sabermetrics. We’ve decided to push him out without a ready-made replacement, while rebuilding, when we could at least plug him in for cheap and figure out later what to do. This off-season has been a comedy of errors, and I may just have to turn my full allegiance to my favorite AFC team given that we appear to be, as Emmitt might say, “getting debacled.”
Here’s a great thread if you want to read about our believed and perceived return to dark ages not seen since the Ken Behring ownership years. It’s bad. Real bad. Skull crushingly morbid. Each move a greater head-scratcher than the last.
And what’s more, I’ve moved back to WA, so now I get the damn gloomy constantly rainy days to add to my mood. I was looking forward to the M’s, but already Cliff Lee is injured, may need to spend the first 15 on the DL, and is suspended 5 games for being wild and possibly (but possibly) not throwing at the guy that injured him, while being on the field but not in the on deck circle, when the collision occurred.
Not a good spring.
Anyway, on Rob Sims. Sims is a bad fit in Alex Gibbs ZBS. He’s more of a mauler than a footwork-guy. But, that being said he is when healthy very solid in run blocking and not a complete embarrassment in pass protection. He’s been getting better too, and is IIRC only 26 years old. Personally, I’m mad as hell we’re going to let him go for, essentially, nothing. By only putting a 4th round tender on him, we basically guaranteed that SOMEONE is going to pick him up on the cheap.
Think about it. A 4th round pick (best case for us) for signing a guy who can immediately come in and start, and has at least 5 years of solid contribution barring injury. Jesus. My guess is someone will come in to offer a deal to sign him, and we’ll settle for a 7th rounder in 2018 for the right to let him go. He may never make the All Pro team, or even the Pro Bowl, but I promise you every year there will be at least 20 worse guards (LG/RG both taken into account) starting across the league, if not more.
Oh, also, he’s been locked out of our headquarters, so he isn’t going to be back. If someone gets serious about getting him, they could have him tomorrow for a modest contract and a 4th rounder. The Hawks, in a class maneuver changed his key card on him, which will certainly help us when it comes to bargaining.
Jesus, Petey, what are you doing to us?!?!
I’m hoping maybe we can deal him to you for your 4th string QB, who we then offer a 2 year 4 million dollar deal to compete with Charlie Fucking Whitehurst and the qb formerly known as Matt Hasselbeck.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Mar 22, 2010 12:07 AM CDT reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd
For the great information and the gloomy despair.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
So update...
the last two DE’s we started, Tapp and Cory Redding, were locked into multiyear contracts, we gave them both away for next to nothing.
The teams they signed with? Philly and Baltimore respectively.
Yep, they were “wrong” for the Hawks, but right for two of the best run franchises in football. But hey, at least it’s a good year to create need pre-draft— any pick you make has a chance to start right away.
I might start wishing for the worst record in football, and the rights to Jake Locker.
Yes, Jake IS that good.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Mar 23, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I think with Marshall it is a matter of cost.
The trade for Whitehurst may have spiked it. Instead of having the 40th (which was apparently deemed worthy by Denver for him) we moved down to 60, which according to them isn’t enough.
Not sure they’ll do any better than that, and I certainly don’t want to give them a 1st rounder. I imagine if we get creative with trade-downs there is a possibility we still trade for him, but most likely nothing until draft day. But right now any intelligent creative maneuvering would be more shocking than anything else.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Mar 26, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Would you want Jake Locker next season if Pete Carroll took Colt McCoy in the 2nd round in this draft?
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Mar 24, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes. Easy yes.
I love Locker. He’s better today than Colt, and one more year with Sark will elevate his passing game even more. He’s displayed greatly improved pocket presence, progressions and touch, and he already had the physical tools.
Colt just doesn’t have the kind of arm I want. I’m tired of noodle-arms, do you realize how long it has been since we had a deep threat QB? Colt is solid, and in the right West Coast Offense might be pretty damn good. But I’m tired of West Coast, and want to move forward into something more modern and vertical.
Of course, I think it’s null and void regardless. I don’t believe we’re going to select him. I’d expect more likely a Snead type in the later rounds. Now Shipley on the other hand might soon be a Hawk, we need WR’s and he’s more ready to play than most that will fall into the mid-rounds.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Mar 26, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
nice post
Thanks for dropping by, WC.
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I just want to hug you
and make you feel better.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
by nolander on Mar 22, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
About that 2018 7th-rounder.
Don’t judge your GM until at least 2022. It takes time to build a team through the draft.
Seriously though, I saw that one of the players the Rockets got in that Landry/Kevin Martin trade (Armstrong, I think) was originally acquired by the Kings for a 2016 conditional pick. The NBA is ridiculous.
Rec'd
Welcome WC… Nice post and sadly familiar perspective, although thankfully not recently familiar… much…
TO
TO would force teams to single cover him or AJ
Schaub would have a field day
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
TO....
Can’t run routes, drops a ton of passes, and doesn’t do any of the secondary things like block. Kevin Walter is a better #2 WR than TO, and JJ is a better #3 than TO.
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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 22, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I hate watching TO play. It just pisses me off to watch someone drop that many passes, knowing that later he is going to bitch about not being thrown to enough.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
by nolander on Mar 22, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm reccing this, definitely
TO’s sun has set, IMO…
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Yes, isn't that something that the Texans are good and deep at that position
that they don’t have to think twice about saying no to TO.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I'd look for Marvin Harrison first before ever taking a chance on T.O.
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Mar 24, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
TO has caught 143 TD's and has a nice smile
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
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