It's March 25, 2010: Who Do You Want Your Houston Texans To Take At No. 20?
About this time last year, we began running a weekly feature where we asked everyone to sound off, via poll and the Comments, who they wanted the Texans to take with their first round pick. As it can never be said that I'm above beating an idea into the ground, we're resurrecting that tired schtick thoughtful, interactive feature. The details are after the jump.
In order to make this work, we've got to operate under a few assumptions. Take it away, me from a year ago, with edits made by future/current me:
First and foremost, assume the Texans cannot trade the pick; assume they have to make a pick at No.1520. Second, we're operating under the assumption that several players you might love having in the steel blue, battle red, and liberty white are off the board. For example, I might give a limb to seeB.J. RajiNdamukong Suh as a Texan; unfortunately, there's only an infinitesimal chance he drops out of the TopTenThree, so it doesn't make much sense to vote for him to be the choice at No.1520. Obviously, he'd be close to a no-brainer if he was there; if we take a deep breath and look at things objectively, however, we know he won't be there. As such, don't vote for anyone you truly do not think will be there when the Texans go on the clock. The listed players are intended to be guys who have a legitimate shot at being available at No.1520. If you think one or more of them have little to no chance of actually being there, let us know why you think that. Finally, everyone who votes forMark SanchezJimmy Claussen must disclose their mailing address so hired goons can show up at your home at dinnertime to kick you square in the pills.
Last year, the clear favorite throughout the process was Clay Matthews. For reasons unbeknownst to me, Smithiak disregarded science in favor of drafting Brian Cushing, which seems to have worked out fine, I guess.
Have at it, BRB. Vote in the poll below and let us know why you voted the way you did in the Comments.
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My 3 choices
Realistically, I’m beginning to wonder if Dan Williams will really make it to us. If so then he’s the pick.
However, if he’s not then it should be Kyle Wilson. We need a starting CB and he’s 1 or 2 depending on who you talk to. He’s got good speed, good instincts, and has the potential to be one of the best in the league. He’s an instant upgrade.
Should both men not be available then my pick would be Maurkice Pouncey. Everyone’s worried about Ragdoll especially with all the 3-4s we’ll see this year. Well, Pouncey doesn’t get pushed around. Whether it’s him at the C or him allowing Wade Smith to play C (for now), he would really help our offensive line woes. He could be a All-Pro type starter for the next 12-15 years. Great teams usually win upfront.
I too like building the fronts
but I favor Iupati over Pouncey. His athleticism, size and wingspan tell me that he too will be a high level starter for 10+ years. Wade Smith can play center and Iupati can start at RG.
If both he an Dan Williams are on the board then the choice is tough. I like the depth at CB and see us getting a good one in round 2.
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by oiler-texan diehard on Mar 26, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
But can Iupati fit into a ZBS?
That is my one question about the guy.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 26, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I may be mistaken here but ZBS places a premium on footwork, agility and speed
I must admit I only saw Iupati in his bowl game, but he looked excellent that day. He was staying on his feet and blocking on multiple levels. I understand that he was not as impressive at the Senior Bowl, but I’m sold on his physical gifts.
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by oiler-texan diehard on Mar 26, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
His physical gifts are enticing
it is why I would be would be alright if the coaches thought he was the choice. Yeah, he did get exposed in pass coverage at the Senior Bowl. It sounds like many scouts though think he can be coached up in that part. The thing it did prove is that he probably cannot move to OT.
However, I have to wonder which OTs will be available at our pick. Duane Brown has to step it up this season.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 26, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
If we didn't have other areas more pressing than OT, I wouldn't mind seeing us
use a high pick on a franchise LT and move Duane to Guard. I have read here that some think he may not be strong enough to play G, but his agility works in the ZBS & I think he may make a better guard than tackle. For this year though, it looks like he has Matt’s back and you’re right, he needs to step it up big time this season. He got better from year 1 to year 2, so no reason not to expect more from him in year 3.
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by oiler-texan diehard on Mar 26, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
in a perfect world, we’d be sitting at 20 and gladly waiting for a trade down so that we could pick up Pouncey or Iupati. Pouncey seems like the better fit, but I wouldn’t be ticked either way. Too bad we need a corner :/
The thing about OTs
is that if we are going to work on the O-line, do you take OG or OT? If we are talking first round talent, it might as well be OT. However, the part that needs to be evaluated would be if that 4th/5th OT in the first would be as good as the #1 OG? However, we cannot say that OT is not a priority. Duane Brown is slowly learning the position but protecting Schaub is an importance. How will our offense fair without Schaub? I don’t want to find out. Brown may be given the year to prove himself, but if he doesn’t, I think he could make the move inside if he had to. But as a LT, he gets beat by speed rushers and we cannot run a stretch to the left side.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 26, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
What you said there
is why I would like a CB (provided Williams is gone). We have depth at CB, but do we have a guy who can take care of #1 WRs?
Glover? Can he make the big improvement in year 2 like so many others have??
If so I think he can be that guy.
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by oiler-texan diehard on Mar 26, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
If he's not
then is he the answer at FS?
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 26, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You're not the first to suggest that and if we had more quality corners
that would be a good possibility. On this year’s team I think he is more valuable at CB, but that could change down the line.
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by oiler-texan diehard on Mar 26, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, many have mentioned that
and I think it would be a good move for Quin. We may find out more depending on who we draft. If we draft Kyle Wilson (or a 2nd round CB) along with a fourth round CB (I’m liking Javier Arenas) but no FS, Quin may be moving after these guys get some experience. I like that certain players give us that kind of flexibility.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 26, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
How Bout This?
Give up the 187-6th, 197-6th & 227-7th round Picks to get Suh or McCoy early and then get Kyle Wilson with the 20th pick. draft Nate Allen, Toby Gerhart or Jon Dwyer @ 51. Get Morgan Burnett or Ben Tate @ 81. Then for picks 118, 150, shore up depth or get the best athletes available
Giving up too much? I think its worth it to get a beast at DT and I think they easily have a top ten defense getting a Suh or McCoy and Wilson
No matter how the Texans go, I am very confident in the Organization during draft season and this should be an exciting draft
what planet are you living on
where someone would give you the 2nd overall pick in the draft for 3 scrub ass picks at the tail end of the draft?
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
re: what planet
The same planet where Toby Gerhart is a good pick in the 2nd?
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Is that right?
Detroit might be stupid enough to take the scrub picks…anyway It was not sarcasm I was only daydreaming of getting Suh or McCoy plus a Kyle Wilson. The rest of the picks were an after thought, so don’t stress it, it’s not like I work for the organization, though I do live next door to Kubes, and i think he would have taken my advice on the 2nd round pick, but is still mad at me because i have not given back the weed eater I borrowed from him last week…it is a bit weak, but still qualifies for sarcasm :)
Day dreaming is fine, but you might be borderline for being institutionalised.
Check out
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670
or
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php
The value of those three picks is a combined 43
The value of the number two pick overall is …..2600.
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by distant_texans_fan on Mar 28, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Understood...
As you can see I don’t follow the draft processes that close.
I asked the question way down below. Assuming the Texans stay within their draft order; Will they go after a DT and if so who and what round? I Would like to see a large man with violent intentions on the interior line.
Last year I prayed for a nasty, hard hitting, snaggle toothed, crusty toed Safety and my prayers were answered. Will my prayers be answered this year?
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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If Haden is there, the Texans should jump at him
If he’s not, Wilson should be the next option
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
Agree
I just don’t think Haden will be there.
Also, Dez Bryant???
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I won’t lie. The idea of a Andre, Dez Bryant, Kevin Walter, Jacoby Jones formation makes me giddy.
I wouldn’t advocate it, but that would be quite the passing game.
Only reason I can see us drafting Bryant is to trade him for something
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by The Night Owl on Mar 25, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like his interviews have been horrible
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I don't think we'll draft him
since we’ve just extended KW’s contract, plus i heard DB isn’t one of those high-character guys.
by typhoon.infamous on Mar 25, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Dez is a Dumb. Ass.
I was listening to Geoff Ketchum on The Drive on 104.9 (not sure if you listen or not), and he’s really into the whole recruiting scene. He interviewed Dez in high school and used words like “retarded,” “talking to a wall,” and “there’s nothing going on up there” to describe the experience. I doubt he got any smarter in his 3 years as a football player at Okie State.
As an example, he’s not working out for scouts at his university. Rather, he chose to hold his workout at his high school. In Lufkin.
Geoff Ketchum
is a joke and a complete tool on the recruiting bend. He didn’t work out at OSU because he wasn’t allowed to.
Stumpy: It's called the '80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground.
Did gundy disallow it?
I feel like that’s something I would’ve heard about somehow.
And the fact that ketch is a tool and joke doesn’t prevent him from getting interviews with recruits. He has access, and after the hundereds of athletes he’s talked to Dez stuck out for the reasons mentioned above.
I got the sense from being there at his combine interview
That he was just awkward in general.
I don’t know how that translates to him learning plays or anything, and I don’t think his talent can be disputed.
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by riversmccown on Mar 30, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
What Night Owl said
You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB
by Texans-Brocos on Mar 25, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
With that list
You’d think a few of those guys will be gone. I have a feeling Haden and possibly Mathews won’t be there so out of that, I went with Earl Thomas. Maybe I’ve got “Okoye will do better this year” syndrome but I want a good safety (for once).
Re: Too Many Options
We’ll pare down the list as we get closer for sure.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
I think his Assmass could work well on the Texans D-Line
But I think weightspeed takes priority with Frank Bush’s scheme
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by The Night Owl on Mar 25, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd
For obvious reasons.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 25, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Perfect Assmass

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by The Night Owl on Mar 25, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
do not try to take this man's food !
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
Perfect Weightspeed

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by The Night Owl on Mar 25, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yes
This man was a beast in his time.
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agreed on the goo'd
though I still prefer the Tyler Rose
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Exactly papa
I freely admit Longhorn bias, but Earl in his prime is the greatest there ever was IMHO. He was also the most entertaining to watch, because noone ever combined size, speed and pure nastiness better than he did. It’s unfortunate that his prime was so shortlived. He was victimized by his own agression.
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by oiler-texan diehard on Mar 26, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Earl Campbell as much as the next guy, but there's only one thing to question
Did Campbell weigh as much as Christian Okoye in his prime. If he didn’t, then Okoye is the prime example of Weightspeed
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by The Night Owl on Mar 28, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
From nfl.com
Earl Campbell is listed at 5’11" 232#
The Nightmare is listed at 6’1" 253#
ESPN lists Earl at 244 and quotes Barry Swizer as saying he was “The greatest player that ever suited up”. They list his 40 yd time at 4.6.
I checked a few sites and Okoye’s 40 times were 4.4 to 4.5.
I was surprised to see that. I have many memories of Campbell running away from safeties. He had tremendous gamespeed. It appears that Okoye may have had more "weightspeed’, but I don’t remeber him making that many long TD runs.
No question that Earl was the beter football player.
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by oiler-texan diehard on Mar 28, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Earl the better football player
No disagreement to that, but Okoye is & always will be the prime example of weightspeed
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by The Night Owl on Mar 29, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Okoye only played 6 years due to a bad knee but
good stat line
6 Years 1987 – 1992 Att: 1,246 Yds: 4,897 Avg: 3.9 TD: 40
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
What happened to the people
who wanted to draft cody in the 1st round before? If he was still available by our 2nd round pick, would the Texans take him?
by typhoon.infamous on Mar 29, 2010 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
IF he is still there in the 2nd, we might. However it's very unlikely he's still there at that point
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by The Night Owl on Mar 29, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
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by riversmccown on Mar 30, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I have to say,
Cody wouldn’t be a bad pick, but i am only going to swing that way if Williams is not there…And the closer and closer to draft it looks like he might be there… but who knows, I also think that Al Davis will eff up this draft like he has in the past, and pick something outrageous, maybe this year it will be a 1st round draft pick
agree - why would you want a skinny NT ?
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
I just don't understand....
A safety isn’t responsible for covering anyone while a CB is. How is FS even a consideration when we’ve been lacking a starting CB for a few years now? I really wanna understand the people who want Earl Thomas because I feel like I’m not getting something.
The Ryan Mathews people, well…That’s just dumb. Mathews isn’t special, he wouldn’t be guaranteed to start, and a first round pick needs to be a real improvement.
So are you pushing for Haden or Wilson?
Because I think everyone would agree on Haden.
However, I would take Earl Thomas over Kyle Wilson at the 20 spot. If those two were the only two choices.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 25, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Haden's a no-brainer but I don't think he'll be there
I like Williams because I think he really would help that defensive line look like the one in Minnesota – dominant. I dunno if he’ll be there, so realisitcally I’m on the Kyle Wilson bandwagon. It’s hard not to be when you see stuff like this everywhere
Haden may be the most well-rounded cornerback in this class, but Wilson could have the best lockdown potential. He’ll be debited by some teams because he’s not very strong in run support. However, he can turn his hips and trail receivers downfield in a way that almost brings Darrelle Revis to mind.
I just like Wilson’s potential, athleticism, and playmaking ability at a position that we really could use a legit starter at.
I get that FS is a need (want?) but if I could have Wilson in round 1 then Morgan Burnett in round 2, I’d be more than thrilled.
Yep, i just saw this
here video of K. Wilson, and he seems like he can be a potential starter at CB.
If Haden, or Williams were still on board by our pick, I’d immediately pick one of them over KW.
by typhoon.infamous on Mar 25, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if I'd compare Wilson to Revis
To me, Wilson looks like Ty Law at best (coverage wise). While Wilson does need to work on his tackling, he at least willing to throw his body in front of people. If we trade back and grab Wilson, I am more than fine with the selection. It’s just at 20 that gets me.
Burnett is definitely a guy I have been watching and it sucks that he’s risen so high that he could be taken in the second. Jerk. Making himself look better so he can make more money…
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 25, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed re: the Matthews votes.
My main reason for picking Thomas is because I think 20 is too high to take Kyle Wilson, and Haden won’t be there. If we can trade down a few spots and get Wilson, I’d be okay with that — but that’s not a choice in this poll.
by Pure Chapman on Mar 25, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Welcome
Though I think you’re only 82% Chapman.
I’m more and more down on Thomas, even as a ‘Horn. I’d rather have the pure CB, since that’s what we need more than safety. In my opinion.
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Don't you mean Myron Rolle?
Anyways I’m starting to think Houston might not be a good place for Rolle. He’d be too distracted by the hospitals here in Houston & might want to start his second career early
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by The Night Owl on Mar 25, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
HA!
No, TDC meant Lewis.
In the 4th round? Yeah, why not. I think I’m mostly with you in that it’s down to Wilson, DWilliams, and Price/Cody for me.
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Yup Night Owl
Meant Myron Lewis (CB/FS from Vanderbuilt). Bfd had a little fanpost about him. I talked about him in mine.
He could be interesting depth as a CB or FS (when Eugene Wilson gets hurt in week 10). I think it’d be a good plan. Get his feet wet with nickle, dime stuff….when Eugene goes down then he moves to FS.
A starting FS isn’t a need, per se. Depth is considering the only other safeties on the roster are Pollard and Barber at SS.
Earl Thomas
A safety does have coverage responsibilities (We just haven’t had one worth a piss ever so we can’t look inwards at what a good safety is) and all in all, I’d like Earl Thomas just so we can have somebody cover Dallas Clark twice a year. If he was able to do that twice a year (maybe 3 times!) then I’d consider that pick a slam fucking dunk.
The only reason Dallas Clark made all that noise is because Frank Bush thought it’d be a great idea for Cushing to cover him and he never changed that opinion.
Even if Clark were covered, there’s always Reggie Wayne. No offense to Glover Quin, but I just don’t see Quin as being the answer at #1 CB.
Miles Austin, Reggie Wayne, Vincent Jackson, Brandon Marshall (or Dez Bryant), Anquan Boldin, Mike Sims-Walker, Braylon Edwards…..it’d be nice to have someone like Haden or Wilson on the roster. I’m just saying.
Braylon Edwards really does suckass
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Because....
A good safety can cover up the weakness at CB. Prime example is Polamalu. Steeler defense took one giant shit when he went down. He covered up the weaknesses at CB. Is Earl Thomas a Polamalu? I don’t think so.
I’m just sayin’
by HoustonTransplant on Mar 26, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Teams are going to find a weakness
Safeties: I’ll try and be brief ;)
Safeties do have coverage responsibilty even if it’s not man coverage on a teams #1 or #2 WR. If your entire back end is not solid it doesn’t do much good to have Revis on a teams # 1 WR. Even if he locks him down they just pick on the rest of the secondary. Maybe with a better safety Bush takes Cush off of Clark (although I don’t know why he didn’t have Cush getting a jam in at the line more anyway). CB is definitely more important than a safety, but you have to have some balance in your secondary. Besides if we are going to keep playing so much zone then lockdown corner isn’t as much of a concern. Not that Zone is my favorite, but you can win with a defense that runs primarily zone.
It’s also important that there has been some discussion (though probably just from his agent) that Thomas could play CB. If you do have a safety who’s got enough cover skills it gives your defense a lot more options because they can stay in their base d if they choose when they might otherwise be forced into nickel.
It shouldn’t be a safety vs. CB discussion anyway. It should be a Thomas vs. Wilson/Haden/matthews/etc. discussion. It’s hard to compare guys who play different positions, but it comes down to which one you think is best. I don’t really know much about Matthews, but for the other DB’s listed it’s a toss up for me and I think you could make a case for any of them.If you start making picks because, I don’t know, maybe you need a 3-4 OLB…you end up with Jason Babin.
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by papabear on Mar 26, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
+1 for a good post
I’m not sold on Thomas as a CB, but I’d defer to bfd (the #1 supaHorns fan) to inform me on that point.
It should be about who makes the bigger impact. I just keep seeing the scouting reports that say Wilson has shutdown corner potential and is a ready-starter from day 1…and the team needs a CB..especially if he’s got that kind of potential.
good post
and about the “other DBs listed” being a toss up, I think that’s what separates us from Smithiak, and all the other guys who get paid to evaluate this stuff.
I have my opinions, too, but these guys actually look at the differences between all the “other DBs” so they are more in tune with which guys is a good value at a given pick.
But position does come in to play. I would put a lot of money that if the BPA was a DE we would not select said player in the first round.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
Voted "Other"
Come on man. Where the Tight Ends at?!
by Jordann on Mar 25, 2010 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Nothing more hilarious
Than a broken record stuck on a tragic truth.
"380 pounds of pure pirogi" ~ Cush
Not that it's not funny
but everyone does realise we’ve drafted like 4 TE’s in our entire hisotry, and never higher than round four other than Jopru in round two in ’03? I know two of them were last year, but they were in the 4th and 5th rounds.
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I'd say we draft a TE
AFTER drafting a starting Defensive Coordinator. Just saying.
by typhoon.infamous on Mar 25, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Monte Kiffin ain't available
he’s the only one worth it
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by The Night Owl on Mar 26, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Best defense in franchise history, etc. etc.
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by riversmccown on Mar 30, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who would be willing
To trade up to get Haden?
by WhimpyJimmy on Mar 25, 2010 3:44 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Probably not me
It would depend on the price, but I’d still strongly prefer to trade down.
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Trade down and get another pick
Sounds good.
by typhoon.infamous on Mar 25, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Depends on the price
I’d think hard about giving up a 3rd (with nothing else attached). I’d give up a 4th and 5th without blinking an eye.
Of course, I’m talking about from next year’s draft. This draft is too deep to trade out of.
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by riversmccown on Mar 30, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm surprised no one has at least joked about Tebow yet
Somehow I see him going in the second round to Oakland
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Tebow in the Black Hole...in gang-riddled Oakland? near fabulous San Francisco?
That sounds like a sitcom in the making.
Al Davis will blindly hope Tebow's work ethic can rub off on Jamarcus Russell
Also Tebow would look at it as an opportunity to save an entire city. Seeing as Crazy Al loves speedy WR & Tebow has always speedy WRs around him, it would be a perfect fit, not to mention it’s his best shot as a starting QB in the NFL
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by The Night Owl on Mar 25, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus he can hang out in the Castro on his off time.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 25, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Lord knows Tebow thinks there's a lot of souls to save there
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by The Night Owl on Mar 25, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Trust me, Oakland makes more sense, as crazy as that sounds
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by The Night Owl on Mar 26, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I voted Williams
But I doubt he’ll be there at 20.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 25, 2010 4:43 PM CDT reply actions
Obviously a lot of Texas fans going for the Longhorn
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
In fact
38 votes for Thomas is suspicious. Thats a TON of votes compared to the rest.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Home State Bias, I guess
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by The Night Owl on Mar 25, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t know, I feel like some Longhorns forum somewhere is bombing the poll. Its just way too many votes to be legit to me, especially based on the last two months of debate here
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I'm a Longhorn fan
but a lot of them don’t turn into good pros. Look at Okam and Studdard…Limas Sweed….Roy Williams…Derrick Johnson and Michael Huff are struggling…..VY finally became a starter again……Cedric finally had a breakout year…..I mean, the track record’s not stellar.
Orakpo had one good year, so he doesn’t count.
Honestly, Ricky’s the only one who’s been consistently good if you ignore his crazy years.
I agree with the premise, under the assumption of "last 10 years"
Because Earl just read this, and is on his way to your house in a golf cart to take a dump in your front yard.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
by Shake on Mar 26, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd!
Any reference to Earl and taking a dump in someone’s yard gets a Rec from me
by HoustonTransplant on Mar 26, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
That's funny, I'm not a Longhorn fan but
Jamaal Charles, Jeremichael Finley, Michael Griffin, Justin Blalock, Quinten Jammer, Casey Hampton, Bo Scaife.
Yes high profile players from UT tend to bust, but it’s not like they’ve never put a decent player into the first round.
Right
But you forgot 2008 Pro Football Hall of Fame inductee Vince Young.
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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 26, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I bleed orange
you forgot Aaron Ross. Dead on, and Derrick Johnson is solid. Roy Williams has had a good career considering he spent a majority of it in Detroit. He was ok last year in Dallas, but by no means are Texas players bust. How could you consider VY a bust?? I’m not saying he’s the greatest QB ever, but clearly the guy is a solid pro.
For what Vince has done with his career
He’s pretty much a bust with the #3 overall pick. People still don’t know if the dude gets it, or if he just gets bailed out by having a good defense and/or Chris Johnson.
He still makes a TON of mistakes for being as highly drafted as he is.
I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm you just saw fly over your head
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
lol
i really am a longhorn. And i’m not the biggest VY fan, but a bust would be a guy that clearly can’t produce. As much as we might hate to say, what Vince was capable of doing last season at the very least is deserving of the non-bust title…well, up to this point. He’s a solid pro, and while he hasn’t done anything super great, I’d be pressed to call him a bust yet. And i was serious about Aaron Ross, Derrick Johnson, and Roy Williams. not to mention Quentin Jammer and Michael Griffin. Too many people hate on Texas, we produce some really good talent on a yearly bassis.
crap beefy
seems I was wrong re: sarcasm of VY as a solid pro
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I went with Thomas
but I’d be okay with a corner, too. IMO, this is what our draft should look like:
1)DB 2)RB 3)DB 4)DT 5)O-line 6)O-line/OLB 7)TE (of course)
I went with Thomas because I think Michigan CB Donovan Warren should be there in the third, and he’d be a good value pick there. But if we were to take Haden in the first and someone like Chad Jones in the 3rd, that’d be fine with me. But I really do think we need to address the secondary early.
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by DrewRusse on Mar 25, 2010 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Warren's stock is slipping
Wilson in the 1st with Burnett in the 2nd and Hardesty in the 3rd is a better value overall.
For those of us who don't know all like the BRB writers
Any chance you can edit the poll options to show the players position and college?
I know of Earl Thomas, Dan Williams and Ryan Matthews, beyond that I am lost as to who goes where. Especially Other, is that his first name or last? What position is he?
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by distant_texans_fan on Mar 25, 2010 5:57 PM CDT reply actions
Yes, he just goes by Other
He played at the University of Parts Unknown, & can play any position. Would have been a lock for the #1 pick until he tested positive for Rabies and G&V
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Mar 25, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Give okoye a white pocket pussy
And draft Wilson or Haden and call it a day. Ben Tate in the second and another CB in the third
by AllenOU on Mar 25, 2010 9:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I like Haden and Williams the most...
…but I don’t think we can get them at #20. CB and DT are by far our biggest needs and an immediate starter at either would give us a huge boost in 2010. Since I don’t think we’ll get either, I’m voting for Earl Thomas. Everything I read about him makes me like him more and think of him as a great fit, even though safety isn’t a huge need, a first round talent to pair with Pollard would have us set there for years. I’m also rooting against taking a RB in round 1 (or any earlier than round 3). I still have a lot of faith in Slaton, and I think Foster will emerge as a solid backup.
Welcome, Loftin
Any thoughts about Wilson at CB?
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assuming everyone on that list in available at #20
I would like them in this order:
Haden
Williams
Thomas
Wilson
Pouncey
Price
Cody
Mathews
fk the rest
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
I voted Wilson
Being realistic. I like what I’ve read about him being able to turn and run fluidly. I’m not “that” concerned about his run support when we have Ryans and Cushing roaming around like rabid wolves.
CONTRACT RYANS NOW!!
damnit
by HoustonTransplant on Mar 26, 2010 8:37 AM CDT reply actions
Or Quinn playing on the other side
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Given the choices
Anthony Davis
But I’m not sure why he is on the list, because he is guaranteed to be gone in the first ten picks….
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Not necessarily
I’ve heard a lot of teams are disappointed in him for the problems with his pro day and his less than stellar Combine. There are questions surrounding him about his weight and maturity. He did reschedule his pro day to March 30th, so we’ll see what happens then. So if one of the top tackles were going to fall to us, it would be Davis.
However, what are your feelings about Charles Brown?
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 26, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know the circumstances on Anthony Davis' Pro Day
I thought Pro Days were scheduled by the team/school. They normally have more than one player participating. I think they may move the date to accommodate some players for injuries and the time needed to rehab. Maybe that is the case with Davis. Is he hurt? I don’t know. There are a lot of things that can be fixed at Pro Days that didn’t go so well at the Combine. I cite Joe Haden’s 40 time as evidence of that. Where he might have been questioned, now he seems to have recovered. My take on that is he does not have elite speed. He ran slower than more than a handful of other CBs on the same track at the same event. That is all I need to see.
Charles Brown fits the mold of a ZBS-scheme LT. The reports I have read on him have been saying that. He would be a great pick for the Texans.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
The Pro Day thing is just a bunch of misunderstandings from what I heard
Basically, Davis was not feeling well, so he did not show up. The school and coach knew, but not all the scouts knew. So scouts showed up, were upset that he was not there, threw a hissy fit to make him show up, he showed up looking overweight and out of shape, and then did not do anything because he did not feel well but the scouts saw it as him being immature and trying to hide that he had not been working out since the Combine. I think Davis even rescheduled beforehand with the school and coach, it just was not well communicated to scouts.
I’m not a big fan of the Combine or Pro Days so I may have oversimplified how that all went down. But that was basically what happened. Davis would be interesting because he could be a very good LT but with problems of work ethic, conditioning, physicality, and love of the game, if he was to fall to the Texans, would he be a good choice?
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 28, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
This has happened with a bunch of players
Where scouts get bad info and start badmouthing a player. Sucks.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Hey everyone. I like Mathews...
… but not enough to take him in the first. I say take care of the secondary early. If everyone were still on the board, Haden would top my Awesome-o-meter.
As far as drafting a RB. I´m not that high on Tate (or Dwyer for that matter). I might be wrong but didn´t he play a lot of options? I really like Hardesty. Runs between the tackles, zone blocking system and can really make people miss. Although I think Mayock said something about hist history of injuries. Is he projected to be available when we pick in the third?
Of course watching Tobey carry 3 defenders into the endzone would be wildly entertaining.
by Scruffy The Janitor on Mar 26, 2010 8:54 AM CDT reply actions
Toby doesn’t have the assmass to carry three NFL defenders into the endzone
by HoustonTransplant on Mar 26, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Assmass doesn't matter at RB, Weightspeed does, which Gerhart might have
Assmass applies to three positions only
FB (for blocking)
OL (for blocking)
NT (for taking out blockers)
That’s it
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Mar 26, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Refer to pictures above for differences between Assmass & Weightspeed
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Mar 26, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
point taken...
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Yes!
Another Hardesty fan! History of injuries? Nah, he had an ACL tear his freshman year. He’s bounced back. Should be a third rounder for us.
Hardesty fact: He never fumbled in college.
You've won me over
With your incessant pimping of Hardesty, and by posting his explosive single cut and go highlight reel.
"380 pounds of pure pirogi" ~ Cush
FINALLY!
…a reference to Gerhart! Although I’m not really sure who will be available for us at 20 (if we don’t trade down), I’d LOVE to see us draft Gerhart in the 2nd Round…it’d be even better if he fell to the 3rd but I think that is highly unlikely.
My vote above was for Kyle Wilson only because Haden and Thomas will both be gone and I don’t want another DT in the first round…no matter the Assmass OR Weightspeed!!!
by KingLoneStar on Mar 26, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Hardesty == Foster.
I don’t understand the love for this “Hardesty” guy. I’ve heard alot about him on this blog ever since the combine, but, I just feel that he’s not much different than Foster. If we’re using a pick in the top 3 rounds for a RB, i want someone who is a bruiser or significantly different than Foster and Slaton so that we have depth and variety to our RBs. Toby is an interesting choice in the 3rd, but…lol, man in comes my inner awkardness at the idea of seeing something so “different” at the RB position. Matthews seems to do the job, but if one of the corners or Earl are available at pick 20 we have to go there.
This is why you should like Hardesty
Positives/Negatives: Hardesty was a late bloomer at UT. After tearing his ACL as a true freshman, he battled nagging injuries throughout his sophomore and junior years before exploding in Lane Kiffin’s zone-blocking scheme. Holding off monster recruit Bryce Brown to be the Vols’ every-down back, Hardesty posted career highs in all categories en route to second-team All-SEC honors. A one-cut runner with surprising quickness for 225 pounds, Hardesty isn’t a bruiser like Dixon or Dwyer, but is a better bet to make defenders miss, offers top-notch versatility, and has shown the ability to carry a full load in a pro-style system. He possesses excellent vision, and runs behind his pads. Hardesty never lost a fumble in college and is a high-character person.
In the third round, that’s value considering the RB is going to split time with Foster/Slaton. Much better than this guy at pick 20:
Durability is a concern. Mathews suffered a concussion as a junior, and missed five games as well as parts of three others as a sophomore due to nerve damage in his knee. He has enough shake to make defenders miss, but runs with a high, upright style that leaves him susceptible to hits. Mathews caught just 19 passes in three college seasons (11 receptions in ’09 was his career high) and projects as only a two-down back initially.
hmm
originally i was high on matthews. but recently, the idea of picking up a solid back in the 3rd admittedly sounds alot better in terms of value. Again, i don’t know much about Hardesty. I’m just afraid if he’s Arian Foster all over again, why draft him? but 0 fumbles in college just got me a lil horny.
The 3rd round sounds like the right place to find a RB
unless that RB is an AP or LT. The short NFL life of a RB just does not make sense for anything higher than a third round pick.
Also, I don’t understand the comparison of Foster to Hardesty. Hardesty has speed, explosiveness, and versatility. However, Foster is not that bad considering how he started to look at the end of the season.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 26, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm
I do not think Hardesty lasts until where the Texans pick in the third. When the running backs start coming off the board, they will get going. Waiting until the third may be like waiting until the 3rd last year, and missing out on Coffee and Greene.
More important needs have to be addressed with 1 and 2?
Third is the best spot to address the RB spot. Between Tate, Gerhart, Hardesty, and McKnight, the Texans will have one RB fall to them in the third. Even Dwyer looks like he may end up in the third, and while he would be a horrible pick for the Texans, Dwyer in the third would be mean some team picking him over Hardesty.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 28, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
One of those guys will be available in the 3rd. Better value than Mathews at 20 when we can grab a starter at CB, FS, or DT.
The defense needs more talent. The offense will get its yards and points. We can take care of it with a 3rd round RB, 4th round OL…and be very set with things.
I voted Thomas
…which stings a bit, since I think Williams would be a badass here. That said, I don’t see any way to get Danny-boy here without trading up, and the Texans are still low enough on depth that I can’t see that being a smart move for at least 2-3 more drafts. I went with Thomas because a playmaker and leader at FS who can direct traffic helps the CB’s cover their glaring weaknesses. Is Earl Thomas that guy? Eh, I can’t guarentee a damn thing, but isn’t it worth it to grab a guy who might be able to do for the secondary what Cushing did for the LB’s last year?
Thomas here also
If scouts think he is a first round talent who can play either FS or CB, and we have a need at both of those positions, it seems like the best choice to me.
He gets two chances to upgrade the defense.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
Oh snap
Now, which one played some TE in college as well and boom, we got our choice.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 26, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Earl Thomas
To be fair to the Texans (at least in the Smithiak regime), ALWAYS address their #1 glaring need in the 1st round. It’s always happened: Mario boosted the pass rush, Okoye was an attempt at getting a young interior pass rush, Duane Brown was our “LT of the future,” and Cushing addressed the glaring need at OLB. This year, our biggest need is obviously CB. There is no doubt the Texans will address this w/ the 20th, or if they trade down they will eventually address it with their traded pick as they did w/ Duane. Haden is a no-question pick if he’s available, but he won’t be. Leaving the decision b/w Thomas and Wilson (if both are available.)
But, w/ that said, Earl is rare. He’s a free safety that has the ability to play corner and I think adding a playmaker to each level of our defense (line, lb’s and secondary) is a must. Asking a CB to come in and start from day 1 is a bit ambitious: especially in this division. If it weren’t for the Texans nose for corners in later rounds, I’d agree Wilson must be the pick, but, eh, this is a deep crop of CB’s….and I’m starting to fall in love w/ the idea of drafting Kareem Jackson in the 2nd round. Earl’s gotta be the pick here. He and Wilson both have dreads, or else that would have been my tiebreaker.
You don't draft a FS to play CB.
You may as well draft the better CB to play CB.
Wilson’s capable of being a shutdown corner. Jackson’s capable of being a nice corner. You draft the shutdown corner when you get a chance. There’s no such thing as a shutdown safety.
or
you could just draft the best player available if you have multiple needs. I’m not saying that Earl should be drafted w/ the intention to switch him to CB, but that if the Texans feel he is the overall better player at his position, then draft him. Versatility is just an added bonus. The fact that he can play a nickel corner if necessary should be a plus, not a negative when compared to Wilson. Wilson may have an opportunity to be great, fine, but if the Texans feel Thomas is better at his position, and we could use a FS, then draft him. Plus, Kareem Jackson in the 2nd is incredible value (if he’s there) imho.
The way I see it is:
Earl Thomas can help at FS (provided he beat out Eugene Wilson). That’s fine. He can cover the top of either WR.
Kyle Wilson can step in at CB (since there’s a starting position completely open). If he is what people say that he is…well, that FS isn’t going to have to worry about helping Wilson. He can focus on a TE or the #2 WR. If there’s a guy who can take out one side of the field then you’ve got more to play with as a defense.
I’m not saying Earl’s a bad player, but I think a guy like Morgan Burnett in round 2 is just as good as Earl. I just don’t see a guy like Dominque Franks or Kareem Jackson as good as Kyle Wilson (Who also can help in the return game with his 4.4 speed).
If Earl’s picked (if he’s there), I’ll trust in Smithiak. In terms of fantasy drafting, I want the CB. I’m still scarred from seeing Dunta get beat down the field by Tennessee…or burned by Teddy Ginn….or drawing a flag in every other game.
Let's not forget Dunta...
…dancing around loving him some him while Peyton was saying “Thank you very much” and running the next play.
I think it boils down to
how the Texans value their current players and positional value of the board. While we may seem someone is a better player or value than ‘x’, it’s clear that the Texans have a defined strategy on draft day (particularly in round 1) and do very little to stray from this philosophy. Last year, they wanted an OLB, particularly Cushing. The year before they wanted a zone-blocking OT and were willing to trade down and take the risk. IF, they feel that the same strategy must exist for this draft…that is: drafting a starting corner, then what you say is very true. If the Texans feel that Kyle Wilson has the capability to start from day #1 and is a better option than anyone else on the team, there’s no question he will be picked.
However, the problem with that is that there are at least 3 other positions that you can make an equal argument for: RB, FS, and OG. I’m sure you feel CB is more valuable than all three of these (especially where we pick in the 1st round), but I think it would behoove the Texans to nail the best available player to one of their positions. Meaning, IF Wilson is the best player available: bam, take him. The same applies for Earl.
I can understand CB, OG, FS...
RB in round 1 is a move I will never understand. Taking Ryan Mathews would be a horrible move, but I’m confident that Smithiak is merely tossing out a smokescreen to put some pressure on San Diego.
Re: Drafting FS and playing CB
This is exactly why Eric Berry is so highly regarded. He played S for a good portion of his career at Tenneessee (fuck spelling), but he made a TON of his plays lined up like a CB. I don’t think Thomas did that as much, but there is film of him manning up on a WR and playing it fine.
Can The Texans Take a Coach With a Clue at 25?
Talent is not the issue with the Texans!! Coaching decisions late in games has been the achilles heal of this team since the begining. Trade with Detroit and draft Suh. Detroit is looking to move down in the draft and Suh is a once in 10 years talent at DE. Put together a defensive line with a healthy Mario Williams on one side and Suh on the other and a potent offence and Kubiah might be able to get into the playoffs and screw it up, when the team is Superbowl worthy!! Trade away one of the fumble kings and Ryans, he is on the decline! This would also make Mario the head of the defense and put a !!! on the fact that no ones job is safe in the NFL (not for long)!!!
For a minute I thought you were being serious.
And then you said that Ryans is on the decline.
Well played, sir. You do a very good job of impersonating a crazy internet moron. Possibly the best I’ve ever seen.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 27, 2010 3:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
its pretty good
considering he thinks we pick at 25, he for some reason thinks Suh is a defensive end, and he actually suggested trading all the way up to the #2 pick.
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rec'd
Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
Texans>>>>>>>Titans
Super Mario>>>>>>>Vince Young
by Rockets 4 Life on Mar 28, 2010 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions
In 3-4
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
So is this a post for Baltimore
since they are spot 25 and a 3-4 team?
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 28, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m merely trying to help decipher the madness.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I understand
you have done your good deed for the day.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 28, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
it's unpossible to completely decipher the meaning of the madness.
we need to ask jakespeare to help us.
by typhoon.infamous on Mar 29, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions
portal reference
rec’d
Some people say "If you can't beat them, join them". I say "If you can't beat them, beat them", because they will be expecting you to join them, so you will have the element of surprise.
i wish
i sounded like that when i talked about football.
Let's do this Texan's
Give up the 187-6th, 197-6th & 227-7th round Picks to get Suh or McCoy early and then get Kyle Wilson with the 20th pick. draft Nate Allen, Toby Gerhart or Jon Dwyer @ 51. Get Morgan Burnett or Ben Tate @ 81. Then for picks 118, 150, shore up depth or get the best athletes available
Giving up too much? I think its worth it to get a beast at DT and I think they easily have a top ten defense getting a Suh or McCoy and Wilson
No matter how the Texans go, I am very confident in the Organization during draft season and this should be an exciting draft
copy and pasting
the same ball of retardedness twice in the same discussion reaches a new level of dumb.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
by DaGoaT on Mar 28, 2010 6:43 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
oops
I figured there were enough dumbass comments on this subject that nobody would notice. Sorry I didn’t live up to your intellectual expectations Like I commented up top, just some wishful thinking, bottom line is I would like to see lots of defense drafted.
So how about your insight on this; if the Texans stay with their draft order, do you think they will get a DT and if so who and what round. I would love to see a cannibal on the D-Line
Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter
Wow,
i love all of the longhorns on this site. Everyone voted for earl thomas. we dont need an upgrade at safety, we need it at corner, and kyle wilson will fall to us at 20. I’m not saying kyle wilson is the best CB in the draft, just saying joe haden wont fall to us. we have average safeties (one average, one above average actually) and our corners are very below average. frenchy is nowhere near being the number 1 or 2 corner. and neither is glover. i agree he showed great potential last year but what if he is the next fred bennett? if so, we are fucked at corner. hopefully we draft wilson.
Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
Texans>>>>>>>Titans
Super Mario>>>>>>>Vince Young
Interesting mock draft results
We’re getting ready to make our pick, and I know I’m excited. And we all know mock drafts have the accuracy of a JaMarcus Russell pass, but it’s still interesting.
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How far ahead of postings is the mock?
Because right now, the 13th pick was just posted online:
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/section/sb-nation-writers-mock-dra
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Don't know
A lot of people aren’t getting their write-ups in (or even drafting guys before the deadline cough MCM cough).
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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 28, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Oops, didn't answer your question
We just made ours, so I guess it’ll be posted on Tuesday-ish?
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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 28, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
How many rounds is this exercise?
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
The mock’s turning out well for us so far.
Earl Thomas is off the board…..I think Haden and Williams are both still there.
Correcting myself
Haden’s gone. Williams is still there though….and if he goes, Kyle Wilson is also there too.
That's common knowledge if you've been here awhile.
If Joe Haden is there at 20, and he was listed though he won’t be there at 20, common sense says draft him he’s the top rated corner and Glover Quinn can move to free safety with Bernard Pollard staying at strong safety. That just leaves a large defensive tackle for the 4-3 under 2 gap, and interior offensive linemen and tailback, which people forget Chris Henry is on the roster. He doesn’t have a lot of carries, so that he has 0 fumbles is suspect. That he has so few carries in 4 years could mean his ability is suspect. Brandon Carter will probably be available in the later rounds though he’s not ZBS Texans kinda guy he did play under Mike Leach in Techs spread offense so he has to be able to move.
They might be able to make do at defensive tackle with DelJuan Robinson, or starting Conner Barwin every down and move Antonio Smith inside permanently.
Not the most aggie friendly place, but sometimes they give you a break and don’t look for the largest stones first when they start throwing rocks. Peace out huh?
He went into the forest to concentrate on the sound of one hand slapping. Red cheeked he returned to his teacher claiming he failed to reach nirvana. His teacher explained he should concentrate on the sound of one hand clapping. –anonymous aggie Buddhist.
So I will Re-Phrase
What would it take and would it be worth trading up to get a Suh or G. McCoy? And still keep the 20th pick?
Sorry if I offended anybody on my initial posting and I certainly did not mean to do it twice.
You'd have to give up a king's ransom...
if you wanna keep that 20th overall pick.
I mean….I couldn’t put up quite the value, but it’d have to be some key starters or a boatload of picks. It’s just not really something I see happening.
Agreed,
Without giving up the 20th, You’d have to trade away Mario, Demeco and Cushing. Or something like that. Which makes it all kinds of not worth it. Maybe just out first round picks for the next three drafts and we can keep our players.
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by distant_texans_fan on Mar 29, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
In general, trading up is not worth it
It’s better to trade down. And it’s definitely not worth it to trade up for Suh when we already have a cheaper version of him on the roster in Okoye. Having Suh on the roster doesn’t change the problems that Okoye has, namely not having an aircraft carrier next to him to take up double teams.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 29, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
keeping the 20th
means that all of our remaining picks combined dont get close to the 2600 value of the #2 pick. We’d have to trade players with picks. Filling one hole by creating others isnt a good plan.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
There are some good ones
Cam Thomas (maybe, hopefully), Geno Atkins are probably the 2 better ones….Atkins is smaller but he regularly whipped Iupati’s ass at the Senior Bowl. Thomas is bigger, stronger, and able to take the double teams. I think they both could do well along the lines.
If those aren’t there then you could go Torrell Troup, Jay Ross, Linval Joseph in rounds 3-5.
That’s just going on the commonthink here that we need a DT with prescence and who can command some attention inside. Those 5 guys would probably be the better bets after round 1.
Troup
looks like a guy who could be a 4-3 NT. However, he would have to be taken the third and Hardesty already called dibs there. I wouldn’t mind Ross or Joseph either though.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 28, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
If we take Wilson in the 1st & Gerhart in the 2nd, Troup in the 3rd make sense
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by The Night Owl on Mar 28, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I really don't want Gerhart.
As bfd (i think?) mentioned, his running style is similar to that of a corpse known as Chris Brown. Would you want a few more years of that crap?
by typhoon.infamous on Mar 29, 2010 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions
ya but how is his arm?
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
now that you mention it..
he can split duties with tehSchaub and OD/Dressen/THOR.
Now, THAT combination will make Smithiak explode.
by typhoon.infamous on Mar 29, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
don't wanna reach that much
for a NT like Ross.. he’s a projected 6-7 round pick at most.. Joseph and Troup are both projected 3 rounders..
I’d say watch out for Corey Peters from Kentucky and Earl Mitchell from Arizona in the 5-6 round.. they are under the radar guys but very good and hustles!
This is Earl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FgzV4MRXcU
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and this is Peters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW6670-HTSA
Ran 4.90 at his pro day.. not bad.
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Sorry
I meant to grab them in their respective rounds. Ross is about a fifth/sixth round guy whereas Joseph could fall into the fourth. However, Mitchell and Peters are both under tackles like Okoye so they would not fill the need at NT.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 29, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
As is Price.. But where Okoye is great against the run, he’s not that good at rushing the.. i don’t essentially think that it’s a massive rock we need.. a quick DT with some great pass rush would be just as great. But that’s just my opinion.
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Some DTs with high sack totals......
Price……Geno Atkins in the 2nd may not be a bad choice…..Mike Neal…..Vince Oghobaase…..Earl Mitchell…..
Hmmm
So you guys don’t believe Brian Price UCLA, Terrence Cody Alabama or Tyson Alualu California will be around at 51?
At least not Price or Cody
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by The Night Owl on Mar 28, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
there will probably be more valuable players than him at that pick
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by The Night Owl on Mar 29, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
interesting Tid Bit
i was reading the Bio on Cam Thomas and reads that he has Two Daddys…He must have eatin’ one of them cause that dude is a big biscuit!
I don't remember who off the top of my head...
but there’s a draft prospect who slept with his sister….a prime candidate for the BE-SFs.
Ah, found it...
Tony Washington has first-round talent, but he reportedly had consensual sex with his biological 15-year-old sister when he was 16. As Borat would say, “Let’s make sexy time!” Washington’s act was definitely sick, but remember that this occurred seven years ago. Washington was just a child back then. He’s now 23 and hasn’t gotten into trouble in a long time.
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by distant_texans_fan on Mar 29, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
How can I never figure out how to post pics.
http://www.filehurricane.com/photo-viewer/6345
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by distant_texans_fan on Mar 29, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You were posting the webpage that the picture is on, not the actual link to the picture?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Same thoughts here....need to find the actual picture source....like this:

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
by Shake on Mar 29, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I was trying to post the actual picture.
I click on the little tree picture icon and put the web link in and it comes up blank.
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by distant_texans_fan on Mar 29, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
nope
you have to right click the image and copy image link or somesuch. If the link you are posting doesn’t end in .jpg you are doing it wrong.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I thought I did do that.
But obviously I wasn’t. Thanks, I’ll know for next time.
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by distant_texans_fan on Mar 29, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Its tricky business
We have all swung and miss on the image links at one point.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Use the preview button
that way you make sure the link works before posting. That’s what I do.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 29, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
He seems like a funny guy, too.
Can you imagine a locker-room with DA, Jakespeare, Pollard, Cushing, and Cam Thomas?
Hell, it’d be raining crawfish.
by typhoon.infamous on Mar 29, 2010 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions
If it hasn't been mentioned...
use the reply button at the bottom of the post you are… pause for dramatic effect…. replying to.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
That's F'd up...Must be from Arkansas
I had to drive through that state with my butt cheeks duck taped…Their be some horny bastards in that state (Clinton)
I don't really follow the draft that much, but
here’s something about Cam Thomas according to nfldraftscout.com.
I really don’t ask about my stock," Thomas said. “I really don’t want to know because I don’t want to get caught up in that stuff. I’m just every day working out, working hard. In April, that’s when everything falls into place.” Thomas, who is 6-foot-3 and 330 pounds, said he enjoys taking on two blockers when he’s playing nose. “I love guerilla warfare, baby,” he said. "That’s where you earn your stripes. I got my stripes. “I can anchor that thing. Not everyone can play that position.” Thomas said he benefits from the fact that Tar Heels coach Butch Davis and defensive line coach John Blake have extensive NFL coaching backgrounds. “Our defense is pro style, we’re attacking, we’re gap-scheming and stuff like that,” Thomas said. “Most of the stuff I’m already used to right now.”
by typhoon.infamous on Mar 29, 2010 1:29 AM CDT reply actions
"Not everyone can play that position."
Thanks for that helpful tidbit, Cam.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 29, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Whoa, never saw that I highlighted that.
Reminds me of that seahawks game after one of the RBs fumbled it, and Schaub was like, “when they had that fumble return, i was like omg, what am i doing?”
by typhoon.infamous on Mar 29, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Spoon
For a while, Weatherspoon was all the rage, and on this list he has less votes than Mt. Cody.
Did something happen to him that dropped his stock, or is he just that low?
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
probably just not as high on the need list
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by The Night Owl on Mar 29, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
people like him, but he is not a need at this point. He could be an upgrade, but that upgrade should wait until other positions are filled.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 29, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
BoneCrusher Ryans Mario and Cushing can cover all receivers and stop the run
and rush the QB all by themselves at the same time
Texans could draft a defensive player but it would be unfair to the rest of the NFL
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
by WarWolf on Mar 29, 2010 9:48 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
rec'd
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by distant_texans_fan on Mar 29, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
But wouldn't drafting another WR be unfair as well?
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by The Night Owl on Mar 30, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
My theory on the draft is
only NFL teams from state where players went to college should be allowed to draft them
so only the Texans and Cowpokes would be able to get a guy from Texas, Baylor, TT, A&M, TCU etc
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
Texans could still draft players from Kansas, Oklahoma, Oregon
and a lot of other states that have no NFL team )
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
I actually liked the USFL
I think that was it. They started up 6 teams with the idea of playing spring ball with ex college players not in the NFL. But they never got started as the recession hit before the inaugural season.
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by distant_texans_fan on Mar 29, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
When homerism goes retarded
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by nolander on Mar 29, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
All your Longhorns will be ours I say !
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
All your Longhorns are belong to us?
by HoustonTransplant on Mar 30, 2010 3:39 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
FS
I havent seen many people talking about E Thomas. It would be nice to have two play making safties back there.
well....
scratch that, seems like he has 41% of the votes right now. haha
Only cause most people think Williams and Wilson may be gone...
I dunno. Earl Thomas is nice, but I feel like there’s very little drop-off between him and the 2nd round FSs (Nate Allen and Morgan Burnett). Even a 3rd round FS (Darnell Stuckey) isn’t a bad deal. Heck, 4th round Myron Lewis is also a good deal.
Given Eugene Wilson, I don’t think a starting FS is a 1st round must, but rather something that could be addressed when it is convenient.

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