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One of my best experiences at the Combine involved wading through the last day of interviews and hanging on all the way to the very end of the session, when Mike Mayock was finally made available to the media.  He was tired, we were tired, and it made for a good session in which neither side wanted to beat around the bush.

If you're anything like me, you wanted to know the basis behind his rationale for ranking Earl Thomas ahead of Eric Berry and Gerald McCoy ahead of Ndamukong Suh.  It took a bit of dancing, but we finally got this from him: "If you wanna be a little bit ahead of the curve as an evaluator of talent, I think you've gotta be looking at the point that it's a pass-first league.  It's not stop the run and run the football anymore.  You can just look around the league and see what's happening.  So, if I'm a defensive coordinator, and I'm an evaluator of talent, from the safety position, I think that position is becoming more important, okay?  When you start talking about 3, 4, 5 wide receivers, detached tight ends like Dallas Clark, what I wanna do is I wanna bring a safety up that's just as athletic, that will tackle.  And I'll give up a little bit in the run game to get a guy with better range and man-to-man capabilities.  And that's Eric Berry, and that's Earl Thomas from Texas.  Those are the two guys that I think are high first round picks."  He went on to say that he has McCoy over Suh because he thinks he is "more disruptive in the pass game."  

While I agree with the fundamentals of his statement, I'm not sure I want to rate Thomas and McCoy ahead of Berry and Suh just for the slight difference between them in the pass game.  I'd rather have the better overall player and then worry about drafting against the pass or against the run in the lower rounds.

More quotes after the jump, where Mayock summarizes the John Clayton is a (mentally challenged) manatee position for our very own TGC.

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On risk of #1 pick: "I don't think it's position oriented.  I look at that and I just say: Don't get carried away with the numbers, don't get carried away with the measurables, make sure if you're picking anywhere in the top 10, but especially #1, make sure you get a good football player."

On Golden Tate's struggles in the gauntlet drill: "The gauntlet drill is interesting because if you drop one and get caught up behind, you can drop six...I know what he is on tape.  If he dropped a couple in the gauntlet I don't get worried." 

On strengths of the draft: "That defensive tackle position, typically 7 or 8 go in the top 3 rounds. I've got 14 defensive tackles that I've given first, second, or third round grades to.  So what happens?  Are they good enough to push some of the offensive guys down, or does it even out like it usually does in the draft where some of those guys with third round defensive tackle grades get pushed into the fourth and fifth rounds?  The defensive side of my board is heavy....on the offensive side, running back, tight end, is extremely good.  You can get guys in the fourth and fifth round that should have never got out of the third... Wide receiver is not top heavy but there's good depth.  Outside of quaterback and interior offensive linemen, I think this is a very good draft."

On Bruce Campbell: "He didn't deserve all-ACC...He's a boom or bust.  Seventeen starts in college football.  He sat on our desk yesterday and if you go to Webster's and look up offensive tackle, his picture should be there.  I've never seen a guy who looks that good in a pair of shorts as far as what a tackle should be.  But he's a junior with seventeen starts, and there's a lot of average tape on him...when I graded him out I gave him a second round pick based on upside.  Someone's going to get carried away with what they saw this weekend."  

On Kyle Wilson: "Most people have Haden #1, as do I.  After that I have Kyle Wilson from Boise #2, he's a guy I watched a lot of tape on, and I took a lot of heat going into the Senior Bowl because I had a first round grade on him and other people didn't, I think he showed footwork and change of direction skills that people didn't think he had....I think the NFL looks at him as a late one or mid two, and I see him a little higher than that."

On Devin McCourty: "He's a guy who I think will run well.  Asides from being a very good corner and a very physical corner, he might be the best special teams prospect in the whole draft.  And I mean from a return perspective, gunner, jammer, he makes tackles.  I think you get quite a package if your draft McCourty, which is pretty cool."

On Patrick Robinson: "He's got the best feet of any corner in the draft.  Six interceptions as a sophomore, only one since. On tape he's inconsistent.  One game he looks great, the next game it looks like he doesn't care."

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Mayock

is a fool. Nobody gives a rat’s ass that he thinks McCoy is better than Suh. example A: go to NFL.com and look at the survey. “Who will the Rams pick up with the first pick in the draft” or some such wording. 42% say Bradford. thats reasonable. 45% say it will be Suh. 8 % say it will be someone not listed as an option which puts Mayock’s man crush at 5% approval rating. 45% vs 5%. granted these are frothing fans and not alleged experts but it does not take a nuclear physicist to realize who’s better. Mayock says its a pass first league? what possible evidence is there that this makes McCoy a better choice?

I’m going to break it down for you all using 2009’s statistics.
Tackles: Suh 85 over McCoy’s 34.
Tackles for Loss: Suh 20.5 over McCoy’s 15.5
Sacks: Suh 12 over McCoy’s 6
QB Hurries: Suh 19 over McCoy’s 12
Batted Passes: Suh 10 over McCoy’s 2. (10… while being double teamed in the middle of the trenches… insane)
Blocked Kicks: Suh 3 over McCoy’s 0
Interceptions: Suh 1 (almost 3) over McCoy’s 0
Forced Fumbles: Suh 1 tied with McCoy’s 1

i’m hard pressed to find something Suh DIDN"T do better in. oh.. and according to Suh who is a very educated humble man, his job on the line was to eat double teams so his teammates could make the plays, otherwise be responsible for his gaps in the line. all the QB terror and his goal was never “Get after the QB”. oh also McCoy put up 22 on the bench. wtf is that? 22? really?

Mike Mayock is a steaming pile of shit. the end.

Looking forward to not having an 8-8 year!

by BattleRedHusker on Mar 4, 2010 10:17 AM CST reply actions  

Umm....wow.

But I definitely admire your Nebraska loyalty.

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Mar 4, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Nebraska CornHuskers unite!

/did not go to Nebraska for college

by Jordann on Mar 4, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

nothing happens here… so between tumbleweeds blowing across the road, if something actually credit worthy happens here, we’re all savage animals to defend it

Winning season... Check. Higher expectation bar... big Check.

by BattleRedHusker on Mar 4, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I get it

I just don’t want to see follow down the path of the VY-fanboys. Because they all started with calling Hoge a flaming pile of shit when he said numerous times that VY’s skills were great for CFB, but would not translate to the NFL.

I guess the main difference here is that Suh should actually be one hell of an NFL DT/UT.

But still, is it worth all the name calling because of who might go first in the top 10 picks of the draft?

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Mar 4, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

no :(

but Vince Young just wins games. Suh Just is Beast. i suppose they’re not so different. cries

Winning season... Check. Higher expectation bar... big Check.

by BattleRedHusker on Mar 4, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't... forget... to... breathe...

Leave aside for one moment what he said about DonkeyKong. Everything else he said made a certain amount of sense. Now, I personally believe that if we are in a pass-first era (and iirc MDC did some research that indicates that this premise is false, but stick with me) then there is some logic to the way he values the safeties. I happen to believe that a good pass rush is as useful, if not more so, than a good secondary, but a good secondary is definitely a plus.

As to his feelings about Suh, that’s, like his opinion, which is backed up with who knows how much tape study. At least he has that going for him as opposed the manatee, which just makes shit up.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 4, 2010 11:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

i'll drink to that

clayton is a tard.

Winning season... Check. Higher expectation bar... big Check.

by BattleRedHusker on Mar 4, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I disagree with the pass-first era

but could you link to that post or tell me more about it because I do not recall this.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 4, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I found it

Here you go. Basically, the ratio between passing plays and running plays has not changed significantly in a long time.

So perhaps the manatees have gotten a hold of Mayock, too.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 5, 2010 1:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd suggest

That a breakdown of numbers between winning teams and losing teams

Might be a bit more relevant to Mayock’s argument.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 5, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

True

I also think it is more that the passing game has evolved to utilize more options….not that it necessarily has increased in percentage.

But your theory certainly has me intrigued. Just not as much as the 18 year old girl from Arkansas did.

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Mar 5, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

IIRC

According to FO, what changes is not the frequency with which winning teams run the football, but when they do it (i.e. later in the half/game).

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 6, 2010 2:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I made a comment

I made a comment during the big 12 championship that I would give my right nut if it meant a boy named Suh ended up on the Texans. So I’m with you in thinking that Suh>McCoy. That being said they are both damn good football players and are both likely to go very high in the draft. Is it really worth getting that upset over the handful of people who have McCoy rated better than Suh?

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Mar 4, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

replace upset and insert new word “Passionate”. and then the answer is yes. granted im still debating if Mayock is a ‘person’

Winning season... Check. Higher expectation bar... big Check.

by BattleRedHusker on Mar 4, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow, uh, a little harsh there

I’d take Suh over McCoy too.

Tape is important though, it’s not just about stats.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 4, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

not gonna lie.

didn’t see too much of McCoy but my tape knowledge on Suh is pretty good as i watch every husker game :)

Winning season... Check. Higher expectation bar... big Check.

by BattleRedHusker on Mar 4, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Suh is going to be a bust.

The guy has a great engine but will be injured within 6 months.

Also his run stopping skills are good, but McCoy is a better “football” player.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related

by TexansForever on Mar 4, 2010 10:35 AM CST reply actions  

was on IR once so therefor is injury prone?

because i’m not sure if you realize… he has had one injury in his career. which was in 2005 and is why he had the medical redshirt as a freshman. dinged his knee in 07 but didn’t miss any playing time and had a great season. sorry if this seems like jumping all over you but all you said was “Going to be a bust” with the only possible supporting reason being your prediction that he gets hurt. his run stopping skills are phenomenal but do not actually take away from his pass rushing skills which are ferocious. ok so maybe i jumped on you a little but i felt it necessary to try to inform you of where i thought you may be misguided.

Winning season... Check. Higher expectation bar... big Check.

by BattleRedHusker on Mar 4, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

ROFL......TOUCHDOWN!!!!!

I was just baiting you man…bored at the office.

Suh’s a monster.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related

by TexansForever on Mar 4, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

rofl

i actually was going to say “are you just messing with me?” lol but the fanboy inside my heart, at gun point, made me say those words

Winning season... Check. Higher expectation bar... big Check.

by BattleRedHusker on Mar 4, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Can you defend what you say?

I just want to know why you think Suh will be a bust or why McCoy is a better football player.

I like Mayock but like any media, he has to attract attention. Every year, he points out one player who people do not as high, and he heaps praise on that player. This year he chose McCoy (and Thomas apparently). I see the two DTs playing two different games, so I think it is hard to say who is better. But I would put Suh ahead of McCoy, but it may be because he better fills the need in our defense.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 4, 2010 11:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

this
I like Mayock but like any media, he has to attract attention

Last year, he had Darrius Heyward-Bey 4th! Can you believe it? He easily proved that he was worthy of that top 10 pick!

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on Mar 4, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Errr

I think that was 4th out of all the wide receivers.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 4, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah thats what I meant

my sarcastic post was poorly written, as usual.

I totally agree with axe about the media, however. I just like to see what these dudes said in years past to see if any of them are any good.

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on Mar 4, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

O.K.

I’ll take Mayock over Freddie Munster ( Kiper) anyday.

by jxjx on Mar 4, 2010 10:38 AM CST reply actions  

at least mayock's hair (what little there is) moves when he does.

Kiper’s hair scares the piss out of me

Winning season... Check. Higher expectation bar... big Check.

by BattleRedHusker on Mar 4, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

This is great stuff...

I feel like what he said about Campbell can be applied to JPP.

I now am rooting for Wilson or McCourty in Houston (somehow).

by TexansDC on Mar 4, 2010 10:44 AM CST reply actions  

McCourty

Is the one that is growing on me.

Especially if Walter leaves and Jacoby’s role is expanded…McCourty could help pick up the slack on special teams.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 4, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

I dunno...

I like him better in the slot as a huge mismatch.

by TexansDC on Mar 4, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

A comment involving 15 year old women?

We’ve gotta goo that.

Sorry Chris Hansen.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 4, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

The women or the comment?

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Mar 4, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

OK here boys, I must chime in

As a die hard sooner fan, i get where mayock is coming from. I love GK mccoy. he could very well be better than suh is. its a wash in my opinon.

but if i had to choose, shit im taking SUH all day, especially if i were the rams.

i think bradford will be a superstar, but not with the rams lol!

and huskerfan, where have all you guys been the last 5 years when we would kick the crap out of you guys…. just comin out the woodwork cause you got screwed in the big 12 title game i guess.

but i think….

bradford > suh > mccoy… and only because Qb is the most important

"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"

by Allen-OU on Mar 4, 2010 12:22 PM CST reply actions  

Bill Callahan

set us back pretty hard. ruined alot of longstanding husker records. oh well. with Pelini we’ll be alot more competitive as people are starting to find out. hopefully OU and the Huskers can have good games for years to come

Winning season... Check. Higher expectation bar... big Check.

by BattleRedHusker on Mar 4, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I agree

The callahan era was not to kind to you or even fans of my team. My fav place to se a game is on lincoln. Just something special when these two teams meet

I loved the pelini hire, and I think once the offense comes around y’all will be pretty nasty

if rather share success with NEB than these pesky horn fans lol!

by AllenOU on Mar 4, 2010 3:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

+1

for everything you just said. OU – NE is a rivalry that transcends hatred and has become just a spectacular event. horns and buffalos share the top spot of my hate pool in the big 12

Winning season... Check. Higher expectation bar... big Check.

by BattleRedHusker on Mar 5, 2010 7:06 AM CST up reply actions  

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