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20 O'Clock Stock Watch: T-Minus 6 Weeks To The NFL Draft

"Sure, we could throw up a mock draft."

*commenters start a fervent Suh-McCoy-Bradford argument*

"Wait, stop, my friends!  We could throw up a mock draft.  But that would be silly and needlessly all-encompassing! Besides, the hell if I know which speedy physical freak Al Davis is taking this year."

*commenters look confused, but are glad this isn't a musical number* 

So instead of a mock draft, I'm creating a stock watch for our first round pick, which thanks to losing a coin flip with Atlanta (still worth it since they took Dunta Robinson in the deal!) is #20 overall.  I'll divide the players into three categories: guys who could fall to us, guys who are being mentioned right around #20, and guys you'd probably trade down for for if you were maximizing value who will probably not be around for the Texans' second round pick at #50.  I tried to the best of my knowledge to put guys in the right areas on this board, but you may feel otherwise.  So keep in mind, these are also just one man's opinion.

I'll focus on the perceived need areas: RB, OL, DT, Weakside LB, and DB, with a few exceptions for sliding players.  These players will be divided into their classes, and then ranked in order by my desire for them to become Houston Texans.  In the interest of time, I'm going to assume that everyone knows that Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Eric Berry, and Russell Okung are the four best players at these need spots and that there is not a chance in hell of them donning a Texans uniform next season short of a blockbuster trade or catastrophic injury.  Deal?  Deal.  

Star-divide

SO YOU'RE SAYING THERES A CHANCE?

1) Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee (CBS) (Draft Countdown) (Age at start of 2010 season: 23)

After spending most of the draft process as a possible late first round pick, Williams has caught the draft expert helium and is being widely speculated to go to Miami at #12.  I think we've had about 300-400 total comments spilled on the nose tackle position just in the past month, so this ranking for Williams will tell you which side of that debate I am on.  He's got enough pass rush skill to keep people honest and not be a two-down player.  Is he the safest pick in the draft?  Probably not.  In fact, KC Joyner approved him only on the basis that the coaching staff drafting him would keep on him.  But the chance of having a great nose tackle is the kind of gamble I will gladly take.

2) Joe Haden, CB, Florida (CBS) (Age at start of 2010 season: 21)

On the other side of draft stock trading, Haden is down 3 3/4s after a sub-par showing in the 40 yard dash at the NFL Combine, which will clearly hurt him in the NFL when he takes off all of his pads pre-snap and then sprints 40 yards into the backfield.  I'm still really doubting that he slides as far as some think he will, but if he's there at 20 he'd be really hard to pass up.  There could be room for further refinement here given that he's only played cornerback for three years, he's one of the youngest guys on the board, and he started from day one at a major program.  After missing out on Leigh Bodden, I would fully understand if the Texans drafted him over Williams.

3) Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State (CBS) (Age at start of 2010 season: 22)

A mutant offense of Matt Schaub, Steve Slaton in the backfield, and Andre Johnson, Jacoby Jones, and Dez Bryant lined up wide with Owen Daniels freelancing in the middle.  Fun to think about, no?  Yeah, well, wake up.  Kevin Walter is back and this probably wasn't going to happen anyway.  You can't stop me from dreaming about it though. 

4) CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson (CBS) (Draft Countdown) (Age at start of 2010 season: 23)

Spiller just reminds me a little bit too much of Reggie Bush to get excited about him possibly falling into our laps.  Perhaps that's just bias based on the track star/hybrid RB/WR profile and not really a fair slam at all.  I wouldn't be mad if the Texans wound up with him in the first round, but I also don't think he's much different than Dexter McCluster, who probably could be had lower.  I would trust the Texans if they made the pick, because I'm sure they'd have to see something incredibly special in Spiller to take him, but personally I don't think he's going to be a special back, and you don't take backs that aren't special in the first round.

5) Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa (CBS) (Age at start of 2010 season: 21)

I think there are a lot more holes in Bulaga's game than any of these other four players at the collegiate level.  His perceived short arms may cause his stock to fall, and he also has a rather questionable history of injuries and maladies.  That said, a 21-year-old junior with his pedigree and a chance to push Duane Brown inside?  Yes please.

THE SWEET SPOT

1) Anthony Davis, LT, Rutgers (CBS) (Mocking The Draft) (Age at start of 2010 season: 20)

Davis is not the most well-polished or exciting pick in the draft, but I think he's a bonafide left tackle, which is more than I can say for Mike Iupati.  He's got the size, strength, and feet needed to excel at pass blocking, as well as a monstrous frame.  Give him an open competition with Duane Brown with the loser moving inside to left guard, and I think you'd see some offensive line improvement.  I also think Davis would win the competition.  

2) Earl Thomas, S, Texas (CBS) (Mocking The Draft) (Age at start of 2010 season: 21)

I've come around a lot on this pick.  I have no regrets about placing Williams over him in all the war room arguing that we did (and I would prefer we trade down and get Terrence Cody instead of drafting him still, for the same reasons I listed under Williams), but if we stay at this spot, I think Thomas is the best fit of value and need.  I'd much prefer him to the corners left on the board, I think he's a perfect complement to Bernard Pollard and would be extremely helpful in our matchups with Peyton Manning.  

3) Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State (CBS) (Draft Countdown) (One Bronco Nation Under God) (Mocking The Draft) (Age at start of 2010 season: 23)

Wilson drew compliments for his physical abilities at the Senior Bowl, but I don't think he's got the height to match up with true #1 wideouts.  He also has the gambler tag, which I'm not thrilled about.  I've used this comparison before, but he reminds me a lot of Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, who came in and needed a few years to really get a hang of the position before his numbers started catching up with his reputation.  Combine this with his perceived struggles in zone coverage and I'd rather trade down and nab Devin McCourty.  Wilson will have to settle for winning the coveted "most parentheses next to a players name in this article" award.

4) Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Missouri (CBS) (Draft Countdown) (Age at start of 2010 season: 22)

Here is how the Texans replace Dunta Robinson's "swagger":  by getting a loudmouthed weakside linebacker with a penchant for calling out peoples mommas.  

Everything about Weatherspoon makes me think he is a better pick for the Texans than Wilson.  My main concern is that Frank Bush abandoned the 4-3 under to play nickel against the Colts, and it's hard to imagine the Texans spending a first round pick on a player who won't see the field against the best competition they have on the schedule twice a year.  

5) Mike Iupati, G, Idaho (CBS) (Draft Countdown) (Mocking The Draft) (Age at start of 2010 season: 23)

He may be the best guard to come out in the past X years, since Steve Hutchinson or whoever you want to compare him to.  But in the end, I don't think he can play tackle, so you're giving up a LOT of value for a guard.  It's a big time need for a big time franchise, but in the end he's still just a guard.  Rob Sims could be had for a 4th round pick, Wade Smith was in town recently and probably wouldn't cost much.  It's just not such a hard task to find a better guard than Kasey Studdard that it merits using a first round pick on one.

6) Ryan Mathews, RB, Fresno State (CBS) (Mocking The Draft) (Age at start of 2010 season: 23)

Here's John McClain's boy.  Or the people John McClain talks to's boy.  Whichever.  I actually do like him a lot as a pure runner, but I think I'm higher on Arian Foster than most and don't think the Texans need a running back bad enough to take one in the first round unless there's a chance he is a superlative talent.  Thus, he slips to the bottom of the chart here.  

TRADE DOWN, YOUNG MAN?

1) Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama (CBS) (Draft Countdown) (Age at start of 2010 season: 22)

I've heard the criticisms: takes plays off, solely a 3-4 nose, weight ballooning out of control.  Look at this another way:  This is one of the very few human beings on the planet capable of playing football at the weight he is at.  A complete and utter physical freak who is going to demand 2 blockers every snap.  Is he going to get much of a pass rush?  Maybe not, but he's going to change the way teams deal with the good pass rushers we already have.  I'll take the heat if I'm wrong on this, but I'd rather have him than anyone I've listed so far aside from Williams and Haden.  I wouldn't even be opposed to taking him straight up at #20.

2) Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers (CBS) (Draft Countdown) (Mocking The Draft) (Age at start of 2010 season: 23)

Of all the non-Haden corners, I think McCourty is the best fit for the Texans scheme and the one with the most overall value.  He might be the best zone corner in the first two rounds, he's a terrific kick returner, gunner, and designated kick blocker.  He doesn't do as well in man-to-man, nor does it seem like he has a lot of upside, but I think he's got the best chance of contributing right away out of any of the 2-3 blob of corners.

3) Taylor Mays, S, USC (CBS) (Draft Countdown) (Age at start of 2010 season: 22)

Another training lab specimen, despite the combine's best efforts to prove MDC's bet on his 40 time wrong.  The question is:  Is Mays a safety?  I think he is, and I think the concerns of his coverage are a little overstated.  It doesn't help that he's listed behind two safeties who dropped down and played corner at times last season.  Are his instincts lacking?  I think that's a fair criticism.  However, if he has the skill to come down and essentially be a third linebacker, I think that adds a lot to the Texans' defensive versatility.  I can't put him above Thomas since he's a lot like Pollard, but I would be happy with him if the Texans brass thinks he can cover well enough to be a safety.  

4) Brian Price, DT, UCLA (CBS) (Mocking The Draft) (Age at start of 2010 season: 21)

This one has grown on me as well.  Provided the Texans can't get a nose tackle, the next best thing might be adding someone who can replace Shaun Cody and Jeff Zgonina, two veterans who do admirable work but who no one outside of Bryan (bless his now commentless soul) thinks are an answer to anything up front.  Price could bulk up enough to play the 4-3 nose, has some extremely gaudy tackle numbers, and is one of the youngest DT's in the draft.  KC Joyner raves about him and gives him a seal of approval, while John Morgan over at Field Gulls does not.  Which side are you on?

5) Charles Brown, T, USC (CBS) (Draft Countdown) (Mocking The Draft) (Age at start of 2010 season: 23)

A converted tight-end, so you know he's got the agility and lateral quickness required by the zone blocking scheme.  Where Davis would be a high upside LT, Brown would be someone who fits what the Texans do a little better.  I just get Duane Brown vibes about this guy, with the converted tight-end similarity.  I also don't like that he sat behind someone for two of his four seasons, even if that someone did turn out to be as good as Sam Baker.  On the plus side, he probably will be a better pass protector than (Duane) Brown.

6) Daryl Washington, OLB, TCU (CBS) (Draft Countdown) (Mocking The Draft) (Age at start of 2010 season: 22)

Washington's best skill is his open-field tackling.  The Texans' WLB is called on to make many open-field tackles.  Zach Diles isn't nearly so good at this.  Thus, he'd be an obvious upgrade.  My concerns are that it took him some time to break into the starting lineup at TCU and that he wouldn't be on the field against the Colts unless Bush abandoned the nickel.

7) Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama (CBS) (Mocking The Draft) (Age at start of 2010 season: 22)

I like Jackson.  Anyone who starts most of the year as a true freshman at Alabama can't be that bad.  I just don't think he matches up with the Texans scheme anywhere near as well as McCourty, nor does he offer the same sort of special teams versatility.  He's much more physical than McCourty and played much more man-to-man in college, which leads me to believe he'd need some adjustment time to be completely happy with our zones.

8) Maurkice Pouncey, G/C, Florida (CBS) (Age at start of 2010 season: 21)

Certainly as premium a center prospect as you can find, and someone who would push Chris Myers out of the starting lineup is a happy (if unlikely) fantasy.  Like Iupati, I don't doubt the talent or the need, I just think this isn't a position you should be spending first round picks on unless you've got a stacked team at all the important areas. The Texans aren't there yet.  

9) Dexter McCluster, RB, Ole Miss (CBS) (Mocking The Draft) (Age at start of 2010 season: 22)

Before his sub-par time running the 40 at the combine, I was convinced that McCluster was going to be gone before the Texans second pick.  Now, that's up in the air a bit, but I'll include him here anyway because I still think there's a good chance he'll be gone before that.  Very shifty, a plus receiver to the point that he could shift out of the backfield on a regular basis, and the only knock against him is size.  Plus, he was extremely productive in the SEC, a place that tends to produce good NFL running backs.  I like him a lot, and I think his skills in the pass game are better than Slaton's, which means he adds a facet that the other backs that are oft-mentioned to us do not.    

10) Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State (CBS) (Draft Countdown) (Mocking The Draft) (Age at start of 2010 season: 22)

Odrick brings versatility, but I'm not anywhere near as high on him as I am on the other guys in this class.  Between the so-so production and lack of bulk, I think the Texans can do better with the other defensive linemen around the late first-early second.

11) Jahvid Best, RB, California (CBS) (Mocking The Draft) (Age at start of 2010 season: 21)

I'm no injury expert, but when a guy misses more than half of a season with concussions, that's an enormous red flag to me.  He might be the most talented back in the draft, but his health is too much of a concern for me to pick him before the second round starts.  I'll let someone else take that chance.

Your thoughts, BRB?  Who have I missed?

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okay

i read the first couple paragraphs

and they are depressing. you never know we could get suh or berry.

someone didnt eat their wheaties this morning….

"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"

by Allen-OU on Mar 9, 2010 2:07 PM CST reply actions  

dont think you missed anyone worth mentioning

im really not high on kyle wilson, and would much rather have mccourty or ghee.

i will disagree on spiller…. not that i want us to take him at 20, but i think he will be a special back and alot better than mr kardashian will ever be.

my first choice is pouncey with a trade down netting us an extra third, which i would use on hardesty.

would you rather have dan williams, kyle wilson, or pouncey AND hardesty.

then find your corner in the second.

great write up!!!!!

"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"

by Allen-OU on Mar 9, 2010 2:15 PM CST reply actions  

A lot of people are speculating...

Joe Haden pulls a Malcolm Jenkins and slips due to that 40 speed. I hope to Durga he does. It’d be the easiest 1st round pick in the world.

After that I’d go Williams, Weatherspoon, and trade back for Charles Brown (if nothing but to anger Colt fans who covet him).

by TexansDC on Mar 9, 2010 2:16 PM CST reply actions  

And by speculating I of course mean...

talking out of their ass with no real fact to back it up. Right, Pancakes?

by TexansDC on Mar 9, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah, there are some people I actually trust on that wagon

Who knows if it happens or not, but it would be a wonderful confluence of the fates for Haden to fall to 20.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 9, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh it could happen

I just think it’s ridiculous to base it on a 40 yard dash as opposed to all of those game tapes. I would be dancing down the streets if he fell to 20.

by TexansDC on Mar 9, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll say again

I know it’s just a time and everything, but that was a shitty 40. I’m honestly not excited about Haden. I like freaks.

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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 9, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

We know you do, BFD

But you will be able to get a second look at Haden running at his pro day.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 9, 2010 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I know I'm on the short bus on this one

And that’s cool. Nothing scares me more than slow CBs. Except maybe Tebow at QB.

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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 9, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

For whatever reason

I don’t think Tebow is going to be as much of a train wreck as others. I think there is still hope for him. Here is a good right up someone did on BuffaloRumblings:
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/12/17/1204204/a-closer-look-at-tim-tebow

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Mar 9, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Tebow is the Hypnotoad

The closer you get, the more you think he’s going to be special regardless of the flaws.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 9, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

This might anger some people, but I have always liked Futurama more then the Simpsons

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Mar 9, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I really hope this doesn't give someone a seizure

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Mar 9, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Futurama has a built-in advantage

i.e. it went off the air before it could become a series of redone plots and stole all Family Guy’s crappy current events jokes without the ability to segue them into stupid mini-segments.

Now if you take Simpons at it’s peak vs Futurama at it’s peak…I think the Simpsons wins, but it’s close. Futurama has better sad episodes.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 9, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree

I’m finally getting to the last five or so seasons of the Simpsons, and while there are some good ones, there are no great ones. And the worst. shows. ever. seem to be more common.

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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 9, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Admittedly I have not even tried for the last 6 or 7 or 8 seasons

But the last decent Simpsons is the spelling bee/ribwich one.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 9, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

You mean had

since its coming back in a couple months. Even at their peaks I still prefer Futurama, maybe its just the sci fi geek in me.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Mar 9, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

True

I am really not looking forward to Futurama coming back.

The movies, outside of the last half of Beast With A Billion Backs, were just awful in comparison to the show.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 9, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

family guy is TERRIBLE.

i never understand why people like that show. it’s so sacriligious and all they do is make fun of the 80’s…their jokes get overplayed and stale after a while.

by wiseonekms on Mar 16, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Made me nauseous

Does that count?

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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 9, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't.....stop.....looking.....

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related

by TexansForever on Mar 10, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know if he will be special

I think a lot of people are getting all wrapped up in his work ethic, and at some point you need more then just work ethic and running ability to be a good QB in the NFL.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Mar 9, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

Too bad it was written before the combine. Been downhill for him since.

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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 9, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

He has yet to throw. Until he does its still a big mystery.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Mar 9, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Pancakes has an insider somewhere....

I think maybe he ate him…

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Mar 9, 2010 3:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

i know i might ne a tad homerish wth this

but CB franks ran a 4.47 40 at OUs pro day today.

i think he could be great value in the third, and could come in and play right away. i hung out with the guy when he was a freshman and i was a 4th year soph lol!

nice guy and really looks the part

if haden falls to 20, i will streak around reliant

"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"

by Allen-OU on Mar 9, 2010 2:23 PM CST reply actions  

i’ve seen him in the first round in some mocks.. and Packers should be very high on him.. don’t think he falls to the third round..

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by zala on Mar 9, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Packers ????

Why is that

and if not the third than maybe the second

by AllenOU on Mar 9, 2010 2:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

with time to replace the two old dogs..

he’s got the size the packers like

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by zala on Mar 9, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

He's 6 feet tall and maybe 190 on a good day

I’d love to see him in a texans uni

by AllenOU on Mar 9, 2010 3:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Wouldn't the point of upgrading at OLB

Be that we wouldn’t NEED to play nickel all the goddamn time? If we actually had a OLB who we could trust to defend the pass?

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Mar 9, 2010 2:30 PM CST reply actions  

In theory

But when you match up against a team that bases out of the 3 wide and does a lot of no-huddle, having even a good coverage 3rd LB out there means you’re running mostly short zones and counting on a safety to cover a wideout while leaving just one deep safety.

Personally I would love to see more aggressive defense against Peyton, I wasn’t impressed with his deep balls last year. But I really can’t see Bush abandoning the shell against that offensive formation when they can go no-huddle at any moment.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 9, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Daryl Washington is a beast!

The only reason he didn’t start more than his senior year was because of the linebackers in front of him both started for 3 or 4 years and got drafted. I wouldn’t mind trading down and taking him in the second if hes still available.

by jroberts5 on Mar 9, 2010 2:40 PM CST reply actions  

I rec'd this

I haven’t even finished reading it. But I know that there is a quote from Lloyd Christmas. So it’s rec’d.

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Mar 9, 2010 2:50 PM CST reply actions  

Rec'd

for cross-bloggernization

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Mar 9, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

You took Dunta

You can have whoever else you’d like. Bless you, good sir.

Reading the comments over there, DE is probably the last place we’d spend a high pick on other than QB, given Williams, Antonio Smith’s big deal, and Barwin in the second round last year.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 9, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

eh

I’d love to have Weatherspoon, but there are about six other positions I feel are higher priority (DT, CB, FS, DT, OG, OT, DT, C, DT).

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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 9, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

coin toss

rivers said the coin toss was evened out by the Falcons taking D-Rob…

Well they pick ahead of us, and they still need a CB, so thanks for overpaying, but don’t take one of the CBs we actually want to play for us this time.

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on Mar 9, 2010 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

kinda off topic

bodden just signed the pats deal

JasonLaCanfora
  
CB Leigh Bodden’s deal w/ Pats is for 5 yrs/$28.5 M! $10 M guaranteed. More on NFL.com

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by zala on Mar 9, 2010 3:03 PM CST reply actions  

Now hang your head and say d'oh

D’oh.

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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 9, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

D'oh, indeed.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Mar 10, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Why so down on k dub

I love JJ, but I’d rather him be the slot receiver and get the better matchups.

I think k dun will surpass 1000 yards this year and score a TD in the playoffs. Against Leigh bodden…

by AllenOU on Mar 9, 2010 3:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

It's not a matter of being down on him as a player

I just think it was a panic contract given to someone who wasn’t as good as JJ and who will take too many of his snaps away because of how they value KW’s blocking.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 9, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

It's

The Anthony Hill syndrome. Kubiak places way too much value in players who can block.

by JimboTexan on Mar 9, 2010 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

The Problem Is

With JJ it’s either feast or famine. Kubiak said at a press conference, that while he loves JJ, and thinks he could be a star, his lack of maturity holds him back. In order to start, he has to be consistent. While Walter isn’t flashy, he does what he is supposed to do every play.

by kozanack on Mar 9, 2010 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm aware of this

But re-signing Walter just gives them another excuse NOT to play him.

I think they would’ve been better off using Anderson or a cheaper FA as motivation.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 9, 2010 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

What I think are our biggest priorities, if anyone cares(which you don't)

1)CB
2)OL
2)NT
3)OLB
4)S depth

How I feel we should draft assuming the right players fall to us
1)NT
2)CB
3)OL
4)S

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Mar 9, 2010 3:10 PM CST reply actions  

Not RB at all?

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by zala on Mar 9, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha

Well Fine then
1)CB
2)OL
2)NT
3a)RB
3b)OLB
4)S depth

draft:
1)NT
2)CB
3)OL
4)S
5)RB

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Mar 9, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I think oline is a much bigger need than RB

There should be some good ones in the third as RBs go

oline and CB seem to me the two most glaring needs.

I would love a center and guard with caldwell playing at one of the G spots.

Ragdoll and VYs naked friend need to be backups AT BEST

by AllenOU on Mar 9, 2010 3:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

C and G you say?

Trade back for Florida C Maurkice Pouncey. Use a 3rd round pick on Alabama OG Mike Johnson.

by TexansDC on Mar 9, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha i said g spots lol!

Sorry if I turned anyone on

and I’m totally with you TDC

if we get pouncey and Johnson I don’t really see a need for another back actaully

by AllenOU on Mar 9, 2010 3:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The holes would be big enough...

for me to hit.

And you want to talk about acceleration. Whew! I can still run a 4.65 40 just like I did in HS.

Of course, it now means 4.65 hours.

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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 9, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Geez BFD

What does doesn’t happen in your bedroom is none of our business!

by Jordann on Mar 9, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

My poor, poor wife

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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 9, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I’ve seen Maurkice Pouncey to the Steelers with #18 a lot of places.. even Mike Mayock has him going there.. being used as a guard. I think he’s really talented!

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by zala on Mar 9, 2010 3:19 PM CST reply actions  

my draft

Trade down for a 1 and 4….

1 – Kyle Wilson (CB)
2 – Cam Thomas (NT)
3 – Mryon Rolle (S)
4 – Ben Tate (RB)
4 – Mike Johnson (G)
5 – Perry Riley (OLB)
6 – K
6 – More OL
7 – BPA

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Mar 9, 2010 5:07 PM CST reply actions  

another option

1 – Thomas (S)
2 – Ghee (CB)
3 – Jon Asamoah (G)
4 – Arthur Jones (DT)
5 – RB
6 – OLB, K
7 – BPA

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Mar 9, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Broncos signed Jamal Williams

Some of the mocks I’ve seen have them taking Dan Williams with their pick. Maybe signing Jamal allows Dan to slide to us?

Though, oddly, Price intrigues me. He had 34 reps on the press, and he’s 310 or so. Dan had 27. Seems like Price can make up the weight difference with his strength.

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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 9, 2010 5:30 PM CST reply actions  

Re: Price

I know Rivers is intrigued by him. I remain skeptical that he’d be a better fit than a massive DT.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Mar 9, 2010 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

No way would I draft Price over Williams or Cody

But if they aren’t there…I think he’s a solid pick.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 9, 2010 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Cody will be there

but I don’t see Kubiak taking him. He may fit, I just don’t see him fitting in with a Smithiak draft.

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on Mar 10, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I dunno...

He’s gone from 370 to 354 to 349….he keeps this up and he’ll be small enough for Smithiak.

by TexansDC on Mar 10, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

349?

When did this happen?

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Mar 10, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Today was the Alabama Pro Day

He weighed in at 349 (his agent, Alvin Keels, disputes this and says 348…as if it matters). He’s really getting himself in shape.

by TexansDC on Mar 10, 2010 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I actually think Price may go before us

to the Giants. I guess the same could be said about Williams to Miami or whatever 3-4 team needing a NT. But we’ll see.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 10, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm still with you...

though I do admit to softening my anti-Price stance when he put up 34 reps for exactly the reason bfd says. Well, that reason plus a fear that Bush is going to stick with the “I’m using a small NT because fuck you, that’s why” approach.

texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.

" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown

by MDC on Mar 9, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Is that related to his

"I’m using a zone because fuck you, that’s why" approach?

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Mar 9, 2010 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

"Fuck you, that's why"

Can be roughly translated to “BEST DEFENSE IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!!!!11”

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 9, 2010 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

the bench for the big guys....

Is more about stamina than strength.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Mar 10, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

If the steelers take pouncey at 18

I’m goin rapelessburger on someone

by AllenOU on Mar 9, 2010 6:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

haha

pouncey would be a solid pick at 20…not as sexy as a DB or trading up i presume :/

by wiseonekms on Mar 16, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad to see

Some love for Cody. I know he’s fat, but my god, if 350 or so is his ideal playing weight and we can get him there, can you imagine what he could do? Hell, if I weighed 375 I wouldn’t be able to jog across the living room let alone play football.

If we could trade down and get him and a good CB at 50, I’d be a happy camper. That said, our regime has never seemed keen on nose tackles, so I’m pretty sure it won’t happen.

by JimboTexan on Mar 9, 2010 7:48 PM CST reply actions  

I've read that

the Browns might trade Shaun Rogers… Don’t you think for maybe a 4th and a conditional next year, or even better they would trade?

by WhimpyJimmy on Mar 9, 2010 8:47 PM CST reply actions  

Not sure...

But I don’t think we make a deal like that. Look at JimboTexan’s comment above.

I think it’s why I, personally, am starting to…I can’t think of the word…reconcile? the fact we’re taking Price with #20 unless something happens. Even if Williams or Cody or Thomas are on the board, I think that’s who Smithiak takes merely for the fact that they don’t like true NTs.

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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 9, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

IMO

I think smithiak is going to take a true NT, to give it a try. Especially after last year not being able to get to the QB enough. I feel that that is the one thing keeping Our DL from destroying Five Head, VY, and Tim Tebow next year. But all I really want for Xmas is to see Tony Romo crying on Wade’s shoulder because Mario gave him a “boo boo.”


Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Mar 9, 2010 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

if they do

it proves they read BRB, and we can start to have an impact.

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on Mar 10, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be amazing...

And if you are reading this Kubiak, I would like to have my name mentioned in a press conference….

My name is We :D

~~DREAMS COME TRUE~~


Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Mar 11, 2010 12:24 AM CST up reply actions  

If that's all they wanted

I think it would’ve been done somewhere by now.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 10, 2010 3:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Dunno.

It’s not like you can just snap your fingers and find one of these guys. If there’s one word I would use to describe Smithiak, it’s “conservative.” They’re committed to building through the draft and augmenting with free agents. By definition, this means they have to take a long view of things. So if there are no free agents available at the right price, and there are no NTs available at the right price for where the Texans pick, then they’ll wait for a good NT.

In other words, I don’t view the fact that they haven’t used a high-round pick on a NT as a sign that they are diametrically opposed to doing so.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 10, 2010 7:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree...

They did draft Okam, if you recall. Granted, it didn’t pan out, but it’s not like they picked him just because he went to texas, as many here would think.
Those guys are hard to find, and I don’t recall one being available and us passing on him. Had Raji fallen a bit further last year, maybe we’d have seen it happen.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Mar 10, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Especially with all the teams playing in 3-4 or going to a 3-4

I don’t know how Rogers would not be at the top of the list for that kind of price.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Mar 10, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Jared Odrick

I have to disagree with your opinion of JO. Granted, I’m a PSU alum, so I’m biased, but I don’t think you give him enough credit. His tackles count isn’t as high as some, but his number of TFL and sacks are pretty impressive, especially when you consider a) he was the only real threat on the PSU D-line this year and b) that means he double-teamed on pretty much every single play.

Speaking of PSU guys, another guys in the “trade down” category would Navorro Bowman, who’s a beastly weakside linebacker and could still be there in 2nd round.

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Mar 10, 2010 1:24 PM CST reply actions  

I love Bowman

eom

texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.

" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown

by MDC on Mar 10, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

If Bowman is there in the 2nd

That would be the third piece of an awesome LB trio…

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Mar 10, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

eom?

badass.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Mar 10, 2010 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

running back

what do you think about picking up toby gerhart in the 2nd or third round?

by Justin Chatagnier on Mar 11, 2010 1:15 AM CST reply actions  

Welcome aboard J

I’m not opposed to him as a third round selection. The question is: can he make quick enough cuts to play in the zone blocking scheme? That is a weakness for him.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 11, 2010 1:40 AM CST up reply actions  

If you're taking a 3rd round back

You gotta go with the guy described for the ZBS: Montario Hardesty.

I don’t think Gerhart can make that cut and go. He seems better suited for Miami or the Jets…teams that have big offensive lines and run straight downhill. Heck, a part of me thinks Detroit takes him in the 3rd round due to Schwartz wanting to develop a physical style of play there.

by TexansDC on Mar 11, 2010 2:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree on Hardesty.

Like him a lot in the third to the extent I like any RBs anywhere in this draft.

texanphil is smart and I’m a retard.

" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown

by MDC on Mar 11, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't understand why you would want Cody.

I’m not a big fan of Cody’s. Forget the fact that he’s constantly overweight, but other than consuming space, what can he do? He’s not quick enough to get into the backfield and create havoc, nor is he nimble enough to pursue a qb once he’s there. If a center gets his hands around his pads, it’s over, he’s washed out for the entire play. It’s not like he’s got an intense motor or anything. He’s just a big guy who can’t keep his weight down who played for a big school ala Fili Moala. Plus, he doesn’t fit Kollar’s system of “attacking.”

 I love the idea of moving down in this draft if Earl, Berry, or Haden are gone to pick up Matthews. He’s excelled at the college level, and really impressed at the combine. I do like Wilson only as a trade down option, and def agree w/ ur assessment on Kareem Jackson. He seems to be a perfect “steal” candidate. Oh, and people seem to not talk about Jordan Shipley enough. If he’s available in the 3rd or we trade down and pick up an extra third….i would be thrilled if the Texans drafted him. It’ll add some value to Special Teams along w/ putting some pressure on Jacoby to do something.

by wiseonekms on Mar 16, 2010 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Requires 2 blockers.

Leaves rest of DL one-on-one.

That is the summary of the argument.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Mar 18, 2010 4:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

pppppsssssshhhh

there are many more talented, disciplined, and valuable Dlinemen other than Terrence Cody. If he’s available in the third, I think grabbing Muckleroy out of UT is a beautiful steal. That is, assuming we can nab Earl Thomas/Ryan Matthews in the 1st and a CB in the 2nd. Cody’s overrated, and I can’t see him being useful for our D-line system. imo.

by wiseonekms on Mar 19, 2010 2:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

well, it is the nfl.

there isn’t much to say he’s going to amount to much in the nfl. Sure, there are 320+ lb guys in the league, but any decent guard in the nfl can grab into cody’s pads and take him out of a play entirely (one v one) w/o the help of a double team. I’m not saying Cody doesn’t have a shot to be good, but we already have frank okam….and how’s that working out? If we’re drafting a DT, it should be someone who can collapse the pocket or rush the passer. Cody is strictly there for his size, not sure if that’s enough to warrant a 1st round pick (ala Raji from last year.) i understand the argument, it’s just…cody’s weight seems like a red flag imo.

by wiseonekms on Mar 19, 2010 5:10 PM CDT reply actions  

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