Reading The Tea Leaves Regarding Our First Round Pick
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 11, 2010 1:05 PM CDT
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Look, guys and gals, no one is more on board with the idea of taking Galacticus with the first pick than I am. I would love to have someone on the D-Line who can tie up multiple blockers and free up Mario Williams to perform unspeakable violence on the eternal souls of opposing quarterbacks. And the ability to destroy planets is always a plus; you never know when it's going to come in handy to have that skill in the back pocket.
Galacticus can destroy planets. And command double teams.
But it's not going to happen.
That sound you hear in the background is the wailing of pain and ultimate sorrow coming from bfd, MDC, Tim, Scott, Rivers, Kerns and the rest of us who really really want this to happen. It's the sound of ultimate suffering. Doesn't sound good, does it?
Now, you may be asking yourself why I have suddenly come to this conclusion. That's a good question. The more I think about it, the more obvious it seems.
Basically, it comes down to Bill Kollar. Here's what we know: We know that it is likely Smithiak has a history of deferring to position coaches or coordinators when it comes to drafting players. For example, Duane Brown was supposed to have been chosen by Alex Gibbs. We also know that Kollar isn't particularly known for working with large nose tackles who can distort the space time continuum by virtue of their impressive assmass. As Lance Z put it last year when Kollar was hired:
Kollar's hiring also signals to me that you can throw out the idea that the Texans will be looking for a great big space eater at NT.
Similarly, when introducing Kollar to BRB after he was hired, Jake said:
Gathers, Hall, Owens and Dronett were all similar players; tall, light under tackles who benefited from Kollar’s penetrating scheme. They ranged from 6’3" to 6’6" and yet not a single one was over 300 pounds. Every single one performed better for Kollar in Atlanta than any other team in their career, except for Dronett, who matched his two years in Denver.
Taking all this into consideration, it seems pretty clear to me that the Texans aren't going to go for a guy like Dan Williams even if he is available when we draft (which is unlikely in its own right, in my opinion). So where does that leave us?
Since we've already signed a free agent O-lineman, I don't think we look there in the first two rounds. Basically, in my mind, this leaves us looking to draft help for the backfield, either on defense or offense. This means either free safety, corner back, or running back.
Personally I'm against drafting any offensive player in the first two rounds, but then again, as has been pointed out in numerous places, a lot of people were against picking Cushing in Round One and that worked out fine (as an aside, I was pretty much neutral on that pick). Ultimately, if we do pick a running back first, I'll bite my tongue and hope that Smithiak is able to prove us wrong again.
So when we don't see a large NT's name next to ours on the draft board when draft day comes, don't say you had no idea it was coming.
Also, just so there is no doubt about this whatsoever: I hope that this post turns out to be the most spectacularly wrong prediction ever.
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Your last sentence in the post
Put me down for that.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
I Fear You're Right
And that makes me sad.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
I'd rather go with Juggernaut at NT
He would have no problem collapsing pockets, & may take care of the pesky Seyton Manning problem we tend to have
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
OH HELL YA
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
Maybe OT, but...
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I was actually thinking of using the Juggernaut as an example
But I ended up going with Galacticus because I thought that the ability to eat worlds was more of an asset than having the immortal power of the ruby of Cyttorak.
Kind of a judgment call, I guess.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 12, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Why do the Texans coaches
seems to value player production as a product of their “schemes” as opposed to god-given football ability? ZBS lineman, one-cut running backs, kollars D-line, frank bush shitty zone D, etc..apparently are all just “plug em’ in” positions according to Kubiak and co.’s philosophy. They seem to just never want to draft a straight up freak at alot of positions, i guess always looking for “value” (vomit).
I’ll trust Smithiak to make the right decision but at some point they’re gonna have to realize that great players who make great plays transcend the damn schemes and you need some straight up freaks to be a playoff caliber team.
Draft Williams if he’s there, he’ll make our D-line FREAKISH.
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 11, 2010 4:53 PM CDT reply actions
see Mario and Andre
Winning season... Check. Higher expectation bar... big Check.
by BattleRedHusker on Apr 11, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
um mario and andre
were not a product of smithiak.
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 11, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Mario was a Smithiak
Andre was Casserly’s. Miraculously.
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Smith came after Mario, sorry...technicality...
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Mario, Demeco, Winston, OD, & Whiteout were Casserly's last act here
For as much grief as we give Casserly, he hit the motherlode for his last act
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 11, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Bone Of Contention
Yes, Casserly was technically the GM for the 2006 Draft, but it’s very much unknown how much say he actually had that year; he was a lame duck at the time. It was Kubes’ first draft, and word is that taking Super Mario first overall was actually his call.
Similarly, it’s rumored that taking DeMeco with the first pick of the second round was the result of Johnny Holland going to bat for ’Meco.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Apr 11, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Giving Casserly too much credit,
never ends well.
by Jordann on Apr 12, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, the logic...
…that says, “He SUCKED the paint off the walls for his ENTIRE tenure here, but miraculously, in his lame duck draft, without ANY input from the new guy, he pulls a shining nugget of gold out of his… ear”, just escapes me.
by HoundDog76 on Apr 12, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
no even mario was casserly's
if you remember, he was the scapegoat for the whole “mario first overall instead of the godlike reggie bush” ordeal.
kubes was named coach right after that 2-14 season but smith wasn’t appointed until later that offseason after the draft.
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 11, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Mario = Kubiak's
MDC had a fantastic post about it on some other blog. As Tim mentions, Casserly was a lame duck, and McNair allowed Kubiak to basically make the pick. If rumor has it correct, Reggie Bust was Casserly’s guy. But, I will say with 100% confidence: Mario was not chosen by Casserly.
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 11, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Isn't the fact
That Mario Williams is a good football player evidence enough of this? Charles Casserly brought you David Carr, Travis Johnson and Jason Babin. Do you seriously think he could have drafted Mario Williams himself?
Casserly could only do that if he was blasted on horse tranquilizers and wrote down the wrong name on the card. Left to his own devices, a more like scenatio is that Casserly would have drafted Reggie and then traded all of our picks in that draft and the next to draft VY with the next pick, ruining our franchise for at least a decade, because unlike evaluating talent, that is something he’s good at.
by JimboTexan on Apr 12, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
HOLY CRAP!
A team of Reggie Bush AND Vince Young!?!
I bet Casserly would have felt like a genius if he pulled that off.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 12, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I cant say this enough...
I have hopes to see freekin Godzilla at NT, but i do agree that we are more likely to get a CB, or S with 1st rnd… I also think if Dan Williams is there he will be too hard to pass up. All we can do is wait hope and wonder right now..
What's really going to make you guys angry...
Is when they take a CB who is considered a reach in the first (after a run on CBs takes Haden and Wilson off the board), then an under tackle in the 2nd.
yep
I’m already preparing myself for this precise scenario.
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McCourty would be fine with me in the 1st....
Anyone else would be a reach.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Me too
According to Lance Z’s blog, some scouts say McCourty has more upside than Haden and Wilson.
I mean, I’d have to start writing angsty poetry and cutting myself if they pick Ghee in the first, but I don’t think I’d have any problem with McCourty
You know that there's gonna be a huge run on CB's this year.
Im just hoping that none of them are available(those that are considered 1st rd picks) when it comes the time for us to pick.
Why is that? So we have no choice but to draft a DT?
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 12, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
We shall see Kerns.
We shall see.
Patrick Robinson, Kyle Wilson and Joe Haden are gonna be gone in one fell swoop.
And we’re gonna end up drafting Ryan Matthews. MWAHAHHAHA
Wouldn't surprise me
But it wouldn’t shock me if three guys we want are there when we pick…and we take Ryan Mathews…
If there's a run on CBs, wouldn't logic say there's a chance a certain DT is still on the board?
I would still take Dan Williams over Ryan Matthews
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 13, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man Night Owl...
You and your logic….
I’m hoping that someone, somewhere sends Rick Smith a “Ben Tate Fan Club” Package so he can fall in love with Tate….and pass on Mathews…if that is, in fact, in his mind should Haden, Wilson, McCourty, D. Williams, Thomas, Pouncey, Iupati, C. Brown, Weatherspoon, etc not be on the board.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I'd rather pass on Tate & take either Gerhart or Hardesty
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 13, 2010 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I think most of us would rather not take a RB til round 3.
However, if Smithiak does want one early…then I’d be hoping for Ben Tate in round 2 as opposed to Mathews in round 1/anyone else in round 2.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I can't see the Texans drafting him...
The front office doesn’t seem like the type to invest in a player who has desire issues floating around him.
"Lord, beer me strength."
How about in the first 4 rounds.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Smithiak era
Where there questions about his desire going into the draft?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Not Carr
The only one I can think of with desire issues was/is Okam.
The dude just needs to quit football and go be a damn lawyer already. There are much worse fall-back jobs.
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re: degree
Yes, but he apparently killed the LSAT before entering the draft.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
For this same reason
I think Perrish Cox is out.
I think we would all be fine with drafting an undersized DT as long as they are good at stopping the run and command double teams. The point is that we need an upgrade at DT and allow Okoye to go back to shooting gaps instead of being the run stopper. I think a good comparison would be someone like the Eagles’ Bunkley. He’s not big, but he’s strong, stops the run, and holds the point.
Which means that if we are not looking at a NT, next prospects are Brian Price or Jared Odrick. Price has dropped to where he may not even be taken in the first round and Odrick can go as high as the Brown but will not get past the Patriots or Ravens. After that, I am not sure who is good at stopping the run. It’ll be interesting to see who Smithiak goes for.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 11, 2010 5:54 PM CDT reply actions
not sure about that
“It’s the sound of ultimate suffering.”
I think Inigo Montoya and the Man in Black disagree with ya there…
by grungedave on Apr 11, 2010 6:15 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Man In Black
the smoke monster from LOST???
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
DON'T
EVER think lost has anything to do with The Princess Bride…..that movie is pure gold, and lost is well…..trash compared to it.
Schlauton
You might be one of a few people who thinks that...
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Well....
The princess bride was awesome, and to be honest I have never seen lost, so I actually have no opinion on it. I just felt like overreacting.
Schlauton
Easy now...
Princess Bride is an awesome flick. But don’t be putting down LOST…
by Mike Kerns on Apr 12, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love Lost
and I feel bad for people who gave up on it in the 2nd and 3rd seasons. Poor saps.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
The funny thing is...
Going back and re-watching those early seasons….a lot of things make more sense. Even seasons 2 and 3.
"Lord, beer me strength."
You are correct
The lady and I started rewatching the first couple of seasons and we picked up on a LOT of stuff.
This would be more likely to offend my good taste then my feelings.
Also, my eyes have glazed over these comments and I just ignore them. I’m good at that. Don’t cater to me in a discussion thread 3 posts down.
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by riversmccown on Apr 13, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
DT
Well then Geno Atkins would be a perfect fit for our D-Line. 6’3 294 with awesome speed and athletic ability. Apparently he abused Mike Iupati at the Senior Bowl.
Rumplestiltskin
I have here that he's measured at 6'1"
Either way, it looks like he’s disruptive and had a good career at Georgia and put a scare into Tebow. His size seems very Okoye-like.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
"Thought for the Day"
If for no other reason, the Texans need a hoss DT, or two, so they can retire Zgonina.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
*sigh*
Why? Zgonina has been, by far, our best NT over the past couple of years. And he’s only 58 years old.
//bangs head on keyboard repeatedly//
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 12, 2010 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
We have to keep Zgonina
until we play the Vikings in the Super Bowl, then Zgonina will sack Favre and the combined age of their weightspeed with break the space time continuum.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
by DaGoaT on Apr 12, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
haha
zgonina leads the league in weightspeed
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 12, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
you mean
he leads the league in measureable weightspeed. Patrick Willis would lead if they could measure his. But they can’t because the ratio/number is too big for human heads to fathom.
WeightSpeedAge
I believe that is the statistic you are looking for in Zgonina
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Age has to be a serious multiplier here
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 12, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Cankle-age-mass?
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Apr 12, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cankles has been a good hand for us...
… and while I’d like an upgrade, I prefer to not be ungrateful for the guy that has done a pretty good job “filling in” until we get it fixed.
confused
if you hate him, why do you want to fuck him? Seems you might be sending him mixed signals.
Not really
Beef’s #1 turn-on are cankles.
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That's beside the point...
That limp dick promised me Marble Slab!!
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
I think we need a new term
something like ageacceleration
for when age speeds up the mind making everything else slow down around you resulting in a player playing better than their physical body should allow. Examples being Zgonina and Brett Favre, but Zgonina has greater ageacceleration because he’s better now than he was earlier in his career.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 12, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe the Benjamin Button effect
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 12, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm convinced
Jeff Zgonina is actually a zombie.
There could be another explaination
Maybe he ran into both Tim Tebow & Patrick Willis as children & the experience slowed down his aging cycle
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 12, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Zgonina
has actually died twice but Tebow brought him back to life each time.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
by DaGoaT on Apr 12, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think one of those times
Tebow was not even born yet. Only Tebow can do something like that.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 12, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
If tebow or VY
Are ever texans. I’m so quitting
by AllenOU on Apr 12, 2010 1:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So.
I was drinking a ZIMA, then I saw ZGONINA, so I flipped up my hooday, and call him mah HOMAY!! He was drinking purple drank, so he started to give me thank, cause I got him stuck on ZIMA, cause I gave him a good ol’ prank, and switched his purple drank, with that gooooood ooold ZIMA, so he prayed to good ol durga, for that good old ZIMA. Sing it with me now, ZIMA, ZGONINA, ZIMA, ZGONINA, ZGONINA loves his ZIMA!!
Sorry guys, I am just extremely high on life right now and I decided to write a rap about Zgonina and his first encounter with Zima. /badrap
Schlauton
by Schlauton on Apr 12, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I remain convinced
Of the truth of this post, and it also makes me sad. I just hope they go secondary instead of RB. That’s really my only possible consolation prize at this point. And with Earl Thomas rising up draft boards, even that would probably going to be less satisfying than I hoped.
The closer we get to the draft,
the more I believe that we’re not going to go DT with our first pick.
And I can live with that, as long as we address the issues on our defense first. WLB, CB, or even a S I don’t really care which one.
The only thing that will make my head essplode come draft day is if we take a RB with our first pick.
It could be worse
What if we drafted Tebow & moved him to TE, RB, or FB?
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 12, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Or if we drafted Tebow
And traded him for VY.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 12, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Best case scenario
We draft Tebow & trade him to Oakland for their second round pick & Scrabble
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 12, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I <3 this idea.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 12, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Ed Wade
Would trade him and all draft picks under 30 for Derrik Mason and Jamal Lewis, the cream of the crop of the 2004 pro bowl.
nah
You would have to play for a Philadelphia team before Ed Wade trades his entire farm system for you.
McNabb it is!
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by riversmccown on Apr 13, 2010 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions
but I fear if we drafted Tebow
he would quickly take over the QB position over teh Schaub as Kubiak will be stupified by his textbook quick release, prowess at making multiple reads and his divine gifts…
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 12, 2010 12:08 PM CDT reply actions
Maybe we could just have Tebow give Schaub & Slaton a blessing before we trade him off
Something along the line off keeping them injury & fumble free
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 12, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Tebow
will become the starter by ensuring Kubiak a free pass during the Rapture.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
The Rapture
is far more likely to occur before Tim Tebow wins a Super Bowl.
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 12, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey let's be fair
Tebow could “win” a SuperBowl as a backup. Which position he is backing up at that position in his career, only Tebow or Willis could decide that.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 12, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wanna fast forward to a month from now
So we can stop making jokes about the Texans drafting Tebow and start making jokes about The LA Jaguars placing Tebow over Garrard in the depth chart.
A month from now
I hope we traded Tebow for Scrabble
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 12, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
The Rapture
will be when people mysteriously disappear from their lives and end up at Jaguar games.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
Close, but not quite right
It will be when people disappear from their lives & reappear at a Super Bowl between the 49ers & the Tim Tebow led Oakland Raiders. Armageddon will happen at the precise moment of a high speed collision between Tebow & Patrick Willis at the 50 yard line
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 12, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't tell that to Jon Beason...he thinks he's on the same level as Willis.
“I don’t have a pen and a notebook or a tape recorder, but let me ask you a question: Do you think I’m in the same class as DeMeco Ryans, or better?” Beason told the Charlotte Observer. “The NFL’s done a good job of keeping myself and Patrick Willis joined at the hip. Whether he gets a deal first, or it happens to be me, the other one’s going to be right behind him.” …
"Lord, beer me strength."
Beason isn't a deity like Willis or Tebow
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 12, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Leave me out of this
I like “Galactus,” but I am all for a CB in round 1. Be it Kyle Wilson, Devin McCourty or miraculously Joe Haden. Earl Thomas would be my actual preference, but I’m trying to be realistic here.
Good post though, TGC
Consider yourself
Erased from history stricken from the record of those who want Galacticus.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 12, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was the sexy
[insert manly feature here]
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Go Texans!
Cankles
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 13, 2010 10:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Marshawn Lynch aka Moron on the trading block
I imagine the teams interest is about .1%
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Do they
Want to do a crazy Santonio style Marshawn for a sixth round pick? I could be down for that. We can give them the one we got from Travis.
Of course, no way that Kubiak would ever touch Marshawn with a ten foot pole…
Word on the street is
They are looking for player compensation, which I think rules us out. The suggested players on buffalorumblings where JJ, Okam or Deljuan. I don’t see us giving up JJ, and I don’t see them actually wanting the latter 2.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Okam has the size to play in a 3-4
and they need guys to help them transition. Not saying that I do want Lynch. I think the only thing Lynch would do for me would put me at ease that we would not draft a RB early.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 12, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah but okam is a fairy
and yeah thats all..
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 12, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Once again, my leet science skills are called upon to resolve this question.
This time…I will provide the formula only. You all must determine the answer.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
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by TexansForever on Apr 12, 2010 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 12 recs
You come strong
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 12, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Rick Smith on DTs
“It takes special qualities for a player to come in this league and impact the game at that position,” Smith said. “He’s got to be obviously very gifted athletically, and he’s got to be able to acclimate to our game and schemes, so it’s a tough position to come in and impact the game right away.” -Riok Smith on drafting DTs, from the Mothership
It’s becoming painfully obvious that these guys aren’t going to take a DT with 1st or 2nd pick..but i hope i’m wrong.
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 12, 2010 7:31 PM CDT reply actions
Just think though
maybe they found someone very gifted athletically and can acclimate to the Texans game and could make an impact right away. Maybe it’s a smokescreen and maybe not. Maybe they believe they see that in Williams or someone else and have them targeted and if they’re available then they pick them and if not they move to fill another need. What I read into this quote is that they will not reach on a DT if they don’t think he could make an immediate impact. I think they would build depth somewhere else like the o-line or secondary (and of course TE) as opposed to picking up another Frank Okham.
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#maybeimtrippinbut the hair that big ben is rockin does NOT help his cause lol #comeonman!
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Big Ben officially has rapist hair
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
unofficially, he's never been charged or convicted
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 13, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't say he WAS rapist
just that he has rapist hair.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Exactly, Ben has never been charged or convicted of having rapist hair
But David Carr’s hair is guilty as charged for raping the Texans for the money as the #1 pick, then raping the eyes of Texans fans for 5 years
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 14, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
dont forget our pocket books?
I am just glad i sold the Carr jersey on ebay the season prior to his greyhound trip to Carolina
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
Yes, he raped our wallets for 5 years as well
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 14, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I know its practically the gospel around here that a spaceating NT type DT
would “free up Okoye”…and while I think I appreciate the argument…but I think its ultimately flawed. I think the theory is sound enough (demands double teams/ clog middle/ creates gaps for Okoye to shoot), but I think to assume that Okoye will magically kick ass like he did during his first season really gives more credit to Okoye than I think he deserves. Despite his still being only a tween, I think we have to consider the possibility that we are facing a “sunk cost” senario with Okoye. I think that throwing 1st Round Assmass next to Okoye is not the silver bullet to this defense.
Now I do not have a problem with DT’s even in the 1st round, just this theory that doing so will make Okoye not look like he was overdrafted, b/c let’s face it he was. Not necessarily a bust, but noone in their right mind would redraft the guy in the first round.
What I want is a leader for both of our lines…I have a sense that neither our OL or DL has a true Cushing/Pollard type leader…that is what I want out of whoever we take…I haven’t heard anything todate to suggest that Williams is that type of leader, so while he might work talentwise, I don’t think he fits the bill for me for our first rounder for this team’s real need for leadership.
by Smittybaby on Apr 13, 2010 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
A big spaceating NT type DT
would take pressure off of Okoye and free him up to make more plays which in turn makes him better. His first season with us I think he had 4, maybe 5 sacks again which isn’t stellar but not shaby and I would be happy if we saw that again and the only way I think you have a possibilty for that is to draft a spaceating NT. Antonio Smith, Mario Williams, and a big NT could not all be double teamed on the same play and with those players someone would would be able to apply pressure to the QB. I really believe this.
BTW, the defense does have leadership. On the d-line it’s Williams and Smith. For LB’s it’s Ryans and Cushing and in the secondary it’s Pollard. We have plenty of leadership on the defense. Shaub is the leader on offense and his silent right hand man is AJ. This team has plenty of leadership, what it doesn’t have is a big spaceating NT that commands a double team.
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
Good thoughts
I might try to reply more when I’m at my computer, but Bobo has hit it on the head pretty well. I would also reinforce the idea that Mario is more of a leader than he gets credit for.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 13, 2010 10:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No...it would free up MARIO is the point.
Mario is the ONLY guy on our line commanding a double team. That is who we need to take pressure off.
Freeing up Okoye…did someone really say that? lol….
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by TexansForever on Apr 13, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
True
and I don’t care which one of those badazmofo’s gets to the QB. Mario, Antonio, Amobi, Barwin, Dan Williams, etc…. it’s all the same to me. I could care less if Mario had 5 sacks and Antonio had 15. We just need to find a way to the QB before our secondary has a chance to screw things up in coverage – something even a #1 CB can’t prevent from happening.
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
and if Okoye continues to suck...then we have just spent another first rounder
to clog the middle….which we coulda drafted in the fifth. My point is, draft a badass…not some intricate piece that on paper is gonna bring it all together, b/c it won’t. Okoye will be Okoye…just like a free safety will improve CB play and give the DL more time to get to the QB, the shit is all interelated.
The Cushing/Pollard examples you cite are exactly what I want from our first rounder in terms of leadership and I would argue that with as much 1st round talent as we’ve poured into the DL, to suggest Mario & Smith have demonstrated the kinda leadership that will take this team to the next level is just not very convincing…we have drafted two 1st round DT’s in the past five years and neither are worth their weight in popcorn. I just want to see that we actually get a potential gamechanger with this pick, wherever he plays. But regardless this Okoye argument is pure speculation. I heard the same stuff about Okam, but at least he wasn’t a 1st rounder.
Scenario...
defense plays lights out this year. We lead the lead in sacks, QB pressures, and 3 and outs. Dan Williams, Mario Williams and Antonio Smith are on every highlight reel and people say they might be the best 3 to play on one line but you don’t hear anything about Okoye. Is that a fail because it “supposedly” didn’t make AO into a prowbowler?
But if you stick in say a 3rd or 4th rd NT who plays like Okoye or Okam then you still have 2 guys in the middle that can’t get any pressure and so then once again you wasted a draft pick on the d-line and while this is going on your new expensive #1 FS or CB is getting burnt becasue the d-line can’t get any push or pressure becasue in reality you only have two guys with a chance of getting there – Mario Williams and Antonio Smith.
What kind of leadership do you want from Williams and Smith. They lead the d-line, Pollard leads the secondary and Ryans leads the whole group. You don’t need 10 leaders on the defense.
We’ll just agree to disagree on this.
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
Leadership comes in many forms
I happen to believe, based on comments made by Mario in the past (especially regarding Okoye) that he is less vocal, but no less a leader. When Amobi was hitting the rookie wall, Mario brought him over to his house to discuss the pressures that go with being a first round pick. He repeated that the following year, iirc, and basically told Amobi that he was there for him. I consider that a form of leadership, even if the mainstream media don’t pick up on it. It may not have turned Amobi into an All Star, but it certainly wasn’t for lack of leadership imo.
As far as the interrelation between coverage and pass rush, I happen to be of the school of thought that says that a good pass rush makes average corners look good. I believe there’s game-theoretical logic that backs this up, but I don’t want to go into all that right now. As an example, I would point out that when the Giants won their last Super Bowl, their defensive backfield basically consisted of bfd and Beefy after he’d been huffing bacon grease. It was their pass rush that did it. It’s not just about Amobi, either. Taking up double teams will allow Smith/Barwin/Mario to go one-on-one with their guys, which is generally favorable for us.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 13, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm really fuggin quick, though...
Just not in the good way.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
I'm going to have to disagree about having to agree to disagree
But otherwise, I hear ya!
Well I
disagree with your disagreement about having to agree to disagree.
Confucius says "man who stands on toilet, high on pot".
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