Finding The Positive: If Ryan Mathews Is Indeed The Pick
by Mike Kerns on Apr 18, 2010 9:31 PM CDT
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PrintWe've spent the past few weeks here on Battle Red Blog debating and voting on who we want Houston to take in the first round of the 2010 NFL Draft that kicks off this Thursday night.
But enough of that (for this post, at least) for now. I would say with confidence that an overwhelming amount (say, about 95%) of the readers and writers here are completely against the idea of drafting Fresno State running back Ryan Mathews with said pick in four days. And most of those reasons have been because of the desire for other positions to be addressed first. Or particular players (Earl Thomas, anyone?) because of where they played college ball maybe getting some of the bias here. Or maybe not (I'm not a UT homer but I think Earl would be an incredible fit here).
Regardless, the closer and closer we get to the draft, the name I keep hearing from more and more insiders is Ryan Mathews. Rumor is that Smithiak just absolutely loves the kid. He has worked out with the club and Daniel Jeremiah from Move The Sticks has said with certainty that if Mathews is there that he will be the pick.
The closer we get, the more and more I am thinking that this is going to happen. Now, this isn't a post where I'm going to throw my hands up in the air and fuss about how we all know more about football than Rick Smith or Gary Kubiak. Quite the opposite. A pretty big chunk of the Texans fan base was completely in "The Sky is Falling!" mode after the Brian Cushing pick last year. And that one worked out pretty well. So I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at this draft thing.
So, if Mathews is the pick and after we all get over it, how would he fit in the Texans backfield in 2010?
The phrase I keep hearing about Mathews and the Texans is "perfect fit." He is listed at 5′11″ and weighs in at 218 pounds. He’s got a strong, bulky frame and is very physical, which would help when it comes to blocking to help protect Matt Schaub. He doesn’t hop around or get happy feet when he carries the ball. He hits the hole with authority, which is great for the one cut and go method of the Zone Blocking Scheme Houston runs. Very quick, too, as he showed at the combine by posting a 4.45 in the 40-yard dash. He has great vision, a formidable stiff arm and amazing balance. He’s also been described as being very patient by letting blocks develop to create running lanes. He isn’t going to fake linebackers out of their shoes like Steve Slaton does/did, but he can read them pretty well. Many scouts are saying he could end up being the best back in this draft when it's all said and done.
"I’d have to say my strengths are my vision and being able to get north and south," says Mathews. "I’m not a finesse runner, but I can get the ball downfield and I can break for big yards."
Some of the cons against Mathews is that he is just a two-down back, he misses blocking assignments, and is very inconsistent in catching the ball out of the backfield. He also wasn’t very good at making people miss in the open field. Then there is the concerns about how he had a great offensive line playing against inferior competition while at Fresno State. All valid concerns, but in my opinion these are things that are coachable.
Of course I'd rather have C.J. Spiller if I had to take a RB in the first round this year, but that's about as unlikely as Joe Haden falling to us there. But, regardless of who you want, how do you think Ryan Mathews would fit as a Texan if the rumors turn out to be true and his name is called at #20 this Thursday night? Fire away in the comments below.
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i think id rather take matthews at 20 then best or dwyer in the 2nd…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Apr 18, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I personally like the idea of Matthews pairing up with Slaton and Foster in the backfield. Give’s us not only elite depth at the position but also we would have a RB that can eat up carries and take it the distance any play with Matthews, a RB that has been successful on 3rd down and as a receiver in Slaton and Foster who can do them both fairly well. All of them can pass protect decently and they would keep each other fresh and ready to go and all we have to do is follow the hot hand on game day.
One thing that bugs me about Mathews
Is his last three plays at Fresno State were getting stuffed at the 1 yard line in the New Mexico Bowl in overtime against freaking Wyoming…
o hell nah
‘’Wyoming stopped the nation’s leading rusher, Fresno State’s Ryan Mathews, on three rushing attempts from the 1 in the first overtime. The Bulldogs tried a quarterback sneak on third down, and Mathews came up short again on fourth down.’’
didnt kno that, this really concerns me now.. we cant waste a 1st for the same outcome
A first round pick for Chris Brown 2.0? Oh Hell No
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
To be fair
Albuquerque: A mile high.
Fresno: Almost sea level.
Laramie, Wyoming: Well over a mile high.
Wyoming clearly was simply better acclimated to playing in Albuquerque.
J/k, we’re screwed.
by JimboTexan on Apr 19, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jimbo,
Altitude has a lot to do with conditioning though.. living at 7000ft, when i go down to Phoenix, approx 1000 ft, or even back home to Houston almost sea level I can drink twice or three times as much, plus physical activities are easier to accomplish. Thus why Kenyan marathon runners do well bc they run in the mountains.
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
I only
Jest, I assure you. I would still contend Wyoming is not a very good football team- Fresno should have beat them and I don’t think altitude is an excuse for getting stuffed four times at the goal line. However, I lived in Albuquerque for a few months once and my running took a serious hit until I got used to it. Beautiful hiking once you’re not gasping for air all the time time though.
exactly.. most ppl were against the Cushing pick but I loved it
im glad the fans dont make the decisions, Ive gone on record thinkin that we will pick Mathews based off out 30th ranked rush O and MULTIPLE media outlets attaching his name to the Texans in most mocks
I jus dont see who else theyre gona pick unless a top prsospect fall to us, its a risk draftin a back this high but hey if it fills a GLARING hole then Im for it
And what if that GLARING hole was at the C/G spots?
Which, it absolutely was.
That’s like trying to fix the bent barrel of your gun by putting more bullets in it, no?
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Apr 19, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd
awesome analogy
We should definitely just get a higher-grain bullet, not fix the barrel.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
I just upped
from 165 to 185…. now my 3.5" .40 s&w kicks like a mule.
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
In that case
You should click on my Avatar and see if you can read the writing on the end of the barrel……
i think you will like it.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
I love it..
i wonder if i can get that done to my Springfield XD
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Go Texans!
If so, please send me the instructions
My XD9 is begging to be engraved
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
The only problem
With this analogy is that it makes the comparison, albeit negatively, of our offensive line to metal…
by JimboTexan on Apr 19, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe the barrel is made of lead...
heavy, but easily bent (malleable, for you science geeks)
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
My opinions are well documented...
My favorite stat of late: Out of 14 1st-round RBs [since 2007] only 4 rookies have put up 1,000 yard seasons (Peterson, C. Johnson, Joseph Addai, and Marshawn Lynch). 3 more have put up 1,000 yard seasons in general.
Here’s a good (for once) stat from the Comicle:
Thirty-two backs have been selected in the first round since 2000, including future Hall of Famer LaDainian Tomlinson and epic busts Chris Perry and William Green. During the same period, 27 backs have been selected in rounds two through seven; players such as Portis, Maurice Jones-Drew and Frank Gore have been major factors.
It turns out there isn’t much difference between the two groups in terms of production.
The average first-rounder was taken with the 17th pick overall. In his career, he’ll carry the ball 911 times for 3,867 yards and 30 touchdowns. Plus, he catches 123 balls for 1,067 yards and three TDs.
For those not drafted in the first round, the average draft slot comes out at No. 104, which would be Seattle’s selection in this year’s draft — the sixth pick in the fourth round. Career stats for that back are 739 carries, 3,235 yards and 22 touchdowns on the ground, and 122 receptions for 1,000 yards and four touchdowns through the air.
In Houston, Mathews is the 2010 version of Donald Brown (back who shot up the boards for no real reason…went to a pass happy offense…and then finished with 250ish yards and helped Indy be 32nd in rushing offense). On a side note, the Saints went DB in round 1 last year. How’d they win the Super Bowl? With an interception on Peyton Manning.
"Lord, beer me strength."
It's hard to pick between Wilson or McCourty...
Wilson’s a playmaker. Whether it’s plays on the ball or returns or at CB or FS (which he did play some at Boise State)…love Wilson.
McCourty has great speed for a zone, he is probably the best tackling CB, and his speed can make him an asset as a returner or even coming off the edge for blocking kicks (did that 6 times at Rutgers).
That’s the kind of debate I wish we were having on BRB: Wilson vs. McCourty.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Reeves or Quin sits on the bench?
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
That's a lot of money sitting
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
nah reeves broke his fibula in preseason and
it was trial by fire for quin to start the season but he developed so nicely he never relinquished the startin spot once reeves returned, but reeves replaced benett
at least it's not a lot of sucking standing
just like last year with he-who-shall-not-be-named.
by typhoon.infamous on Apr 19, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I know you're gonna say Quin goes to FS
which means Eugene Wilson sits. I thought everyone likes Wilson…
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Why do they sit on the bench? One serves as the nickel CB. Heck, a lot of teams use 3 WR sets anyhow.
Wilson/McCourty with Quin and Reeves….McCain on the dime.
That is unless Molden can stay healthy or Bennett becomes a ballhawk again….at which case we’re sitting really pretty.
"Lord, beer me strength."
yup
i was always a fan of wilson but after seein highlights of mccourty his style would b great here, big and physical and can return KO’s.. simply aplaymaker, wilsons a more pure cover corner and devin is a more physical cornerthat can man up or play cover 2.. great pick either way
I agree
With all of this. But they’re still going to do it. I’m actually less excited about this than even Cushing. At least Cushing was within the realm of the kind of player we wanted (Matthews v. Cushing) Mathews? RB. ’nough said
i rlly dont want matthews
unless these 7 are gone
1. WIlson
2. Thomas
3. Williams
4. McCourty
5. Pouncey
6. Price
7. Iupati
So if somehow all those are gone, then maybe I would like Matthews…tho if all those are gone, then chances are some good ones are still there like Haden, etc…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Apr 18, 2010 9:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I feel that
if ET, Dwill, KDub II, McCourty, are off the board ok… but if not i will be sad until Mathews shuts me up next season
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
I still dont like the idea of mathews being picked
but ive gotten use to the idea of him being a Texan so if hes picked ill just be disappointed but ill suck it up and support the guy
living the Texas dream
Mathews is not my first choice
but I would not be opposed to taking him based on the circumstances. If Earl Thomas, Joe Haden, Kyle Wilson, and Dan Williams are all gone than I would love Mathews as the pick.
IMO, the biggest holes we have are (in order) RB, CB, and FS. I tend to look at holes in a group sense. For instance, looking at the DL, we have good DE’s and a developing DT in Okoye. NT is a hole, but the people surrounding NT help make up for it. Looking at the secondary, SS is locked up, but no other DB we have would be starting for any playoff team. Therefore, to me, CB and FS are more bigger holes than NT because the surrounding pieces are weaker in the secondary. Applying this to RB makes RB the biggest hole simply because we dont have a viable RB right now.
Looking at the draft, there is more depth in the secondary and DL than at RB. If we cant snag Thomas, Williams, Haden, or Wilson than Mathews falls under the biggest need and he’s a high value pick based on who we could get in the later rounds at each position. For those reasons, I would support picking Mathews.
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"we don't have a viable RB right now."
This.
I won’t disagree that RB is a less important position than some others, but as a whole, I think it’s the weakest position on our roster (outside of interior O-line, but that’s a bigger issue than we can address in one draft). Slaton is coming off of a horrendous season and surgery, Arian Foster is about as fast as Frank Okam, and Moats is a career back-up.
If Matthews is who they think he is, then he’ll be a massive upgrade for 25 touches per game. Don’t want him, but I won’t be torn up if he’s the pick.
"outside of interior O-line, but that's a bigger issue than we can address in one draft"
Why?
Interior O-line is a max of three positions and that’s too much to handle for one draft? Sure, you may not find all the pieces in one draft as a player may not pan out, but then what would be the fun in drafting player.
A feature RB is pretty much set up to fail if they do not address O-line if Smithiak decides RB in round one. Wade Smith and Brisiel back from injury does not fix the O-line (which I think you agree since you said interior O-line as well). So this pick will hinge on Smithiak putting picks in the O-line as well.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 19, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree that interior O-line is the weakest area of the Texans
I think it can be addressed in the draft and I think the Texans will. I don’t know if Antoine Caldwell will ever be tried at C, so that position could be addressed. Will he be used this season at RG? If so, let’s see what he can do. At LG, I don’t think Kasey Studdard is the answer, so I would like to see what the Texans can do there in the draft. Maybe Caldwell is destined for the left side, because Brisiel may be healthy starting the season. So, again, the Texans could upgrade at C. Now in any of the above scenarios, they could upgrade their depth at any of the positions.
Regarding Mathews, I like his ability to get up in the air at the goal line. A 220 lb guy is pretty formidable when he is flying at head-height. What’s his weight-speed I wonder? Is their a calculation for weight-height-speed for RBs? I think that would be good to know for evaluating their ability to score over the top at the goal line.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I disagree, our weakest spot is Kicker
think about how many times Kris Brown shanked an important FG attempt, and had he hit even one of them, the Texans might have had a playoff opportunity. If either he or Rackers can’t cut it this season, I seriously suggest the Texans should look at Alex Henery in the next draft
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't see the Texans addressing K in the early rounds of the draft
So, not sure how this comes into discussion of Mathews in 1st round or not.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I just disagree with the thought that O-Line & RB is our weakest position when we have a choke artist kicker
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
but even in the context of this draft, DB is more important than RB right now
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Kicker has potentially been taken care of
by the signing of Rackers. So I would say that O-line and CB are the weakest positions. Brown and Rackers will battle it out this season and if we need to draft a kicker next season, then you can bring this conversation up again.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 19, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Touchet, salesman.
But realistically, you don’t draft a kicker high (unless you’re Al Davis).
have we forgotten
that we have no defensive tackles who are even considered “good” at best.
DT is our most glaring need by a large margin..followed by OL, DB, RB
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 19, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Okoye is a DT
and he is much better RIGHT NOW than any of our RBs.
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by TexasHoosier on Apr 19, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I, like most people here, don't like the Mathews pick
I’m not completely positive on the rankings and don’t have the time to look it up with a engineering economy paper due tomorrow (which I guess is the reason I’m on here now anyway) but I can see Smithiak wanting to improve our lowest ranked facet first.
I also understand that ranking could be upgraded with fresh, talented offensive lineman but I can also see the Texan’s FO thinking they’ve done enough in that regard to not need to use a first round pick on an offensive lineman.
With all that said, maybe I can provide a different angle to this issue, and say that Slaton’s health must be a little worse than we think if Ryan Mathews is needed so much that we couldn’t take Montario Hardesty later to be just the complement.
What up, BRB!
I’ve been a constant lurker for probably close to two years and I’ve had an account here for quite some time now, but this is my first time commenting. I’ve already met and interacted with several of the contributors/readers here in other internet forums. Since I’m one of that 5% or so who is in the “Mathews camp” and Mike K. is one of those contributors who has tweeted at me to to cut the lurking crap and jump on in here, I figured this thread was as good as any to get the introductions out of the way.
If anyone here ever checks out the Chron.com blogs, you might recognize the screen name. I’m currently a regular contributor for FanBlog: Texans and I go back as a participant on that blog to when Steph Stradley hosted it. I’m also a fan of the Z-Report, and have been one of Lance Z’s regulars since before his blog even had that title. Just for introduction’s sake, here’s a link to my most recent entry on the FanBlog:
http://blogs.chron.com/fanblogtexans/2010/04/gear_up_for_the_2010_draft_wit.html
Alright, so that’s definitely enough about me and what brings me here. I don’t really feel like a newbie, but technically… eh, whatever. I’m not really trying to ‘go hard’ in my first post here like you guys sometimes will do to support your various positions. I’ll just note that I’m way past ready for the Texans to finally draft a bona fide ball-carrier, and I think Mathews is that guy. I’ll save any actual argument for that position for later, as I’d rather just shout at everyone for starters. I definitely look forward to getting back in here and actually mixing it up a bit, A.S.A.F.P.
Peace
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by BigRon on Apr 18, 2010 11:01 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd for a solid 1st post
Looking forward to seeing what you bring BigRon…and I do recognize the screen name.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Welcome, BigRon
Glad you stopped lurking and joined the conversation. Look forward to reading more from you in the near future.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
Why is everyone so high on McCourty?
He is not worth the 20th pick in the draft. Maybe Kyle Wilson is, but not McCourty. He is a late first rounder IMO.
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by Rockets 4 Life on Apr 18, 2010 11:05 PM CDT reply actions
Excellent special teamer
IMO vaults his value up to right around Wilson’s.
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by riversmccown on Apr 18, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Fastest CB in the draft also helps...
as is the fact that he’s easily the best tackling CB too. He’s devalued a bit cause he works better in the zone than man-to-man…but the Texans love that godforsaken zone and do value good tackling DBs.
"Lord, beer me strength."
hes a more physical corner than wilson
he can do it all out there on the field, cover 2, man up or zone, specail teams beast on returns and blocks hes neck n neck with wilson
I like Earl Thomas over both Wilson or McCourty
I just like his intangibles.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Highly unlikely Thomas will be there at 20 though
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I can hope
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Crazier stuff has happened
And a LOT of new Mock Drafts by reputable sites have Thomas falling to us. Unlikely, sure. Impossible, no way.
If that does happen, Thomas is a no brainer, then we look at Tate, Gerhart, or Hardesty in the second
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
A no-brainer for us, yes
But who knows if Smithiak has eyes for Thomas or not. Have we actually heard anything out of Reliant about this? Not that I’ve heard of.
It will hurt like hell if we pass on Earl Thomas. But their draft strategy has surprised me lots of times before…
I think the only way we pass on Thomas is if Haden is there as well, which is extremely unlikely
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I think they would pass on Thomas...
and I hope they would.
Improve either line or grab a CB like McCourty or Wilson who can live on an island.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Preferably someone who can establish their own nation, like Revis Island
and even Andre Johnson had a rough stay on Revis Island
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry....
but revis island sounds like a bad place, gets monsoons and is poor! Is Revis Island, by any chance, Sri Lank?
Schlauton
Mathews 100%
Looking back, you guys HATED the Cushing pick and I’m not sure about this site, but almost all Texans fans despised the Williams pick back in the day. In between you’ve had a few first rounders that haven’t done much at all that people seemed to be on board with. Last year your concensus #1 wish seemed to be Jenkins, right? The Saints won the super bowl, but seriously, Cushing>Jenkins. Anyone NFL fan outside of New Orleans would agree.
I checked in to this blog to find out who you guys should be picking based on who the fans think they shouldn’t pick. I bet he turns into a monster if you guys get him.
I would just like to say that I loved the Cushing and Mario picks from the beginning.
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by TexasHoosier on Apr 18, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I loved the Mario pick.
Cushing…didn’t hate it. It was either him, Jenkins, or Matthews…all turned out to be good picks for their teams. I don’t think we would’ve gone wrong with any of them – although Cushing is a beast.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Mario & Cushing were great picks & I wasn't opposed to either
But I think defense is a bigger need than RB. We’d be best served to take either a NT or DB in the first & grab either Tate, Gerhart, or Hardesty in the second. I’m hoping that we can swap our 1st & 2nd picks (20 & 51 OVR) for San Diego’s 1st & 2nd (28 & 40 OVR), that way we could grab someone we like for a better value in the first & go after someone we want earlier than we would have in the second that probably wouldn’t have been at 51.
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
The consensus pick here was Clay Matthews, chum.
But don’t let that keep you from trollin it hard.
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by riversmccown on Apr 18, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not trolling
I just think it’s funny. I actually thought both picks were off myself. Nice to meet you BTW, sorry if I offended you.
Just to clarify
I can see how you thought I was insulting the intelligence of the fan base. I’m not. I just want to point out the descrepancy between the amount fans think we know and the determination that teams come up with using a much more detailed approach WITHOUT showing thier hands. Not that teams are right all the time either. Guess I could have worded it differently, but it was not meant in a harmful manner. Better than you guys thinking thinking you got great players and they turned out to be busts, right?
by einman77 on Apr 18, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Better than you guys thinking thinking you got great players and they turned out to be busts, right?"
That line just sent me right back to the Casserly era…so much optimism….
"Lord, beer me strength."
I must say...
@ the time I liked the Williams pick… of course i kinda wanted VY, but i am uber glad that we didn’t get him… Cushing, i am pretty sure everyone just wanted a solid LB and we of course were all afraid of his injuries, but wasn’t that sad about it.
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Go Texans!
That's a fair point, and thank you for clarifying.
I’m just quick with the troll button lately. Too much time spent banning spammers.
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by riversmccown on Apr 19, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Trolling?
I don’t think he is trolling just because he has a different opinion. Leave that to the VY fan boys.
Richard Justice
Apprioves this message. And would like you to know that he recently obtained a lock of VY’s hair.
Well...
I checked in to this blog to find out who you guys should be picking based on who the fans think they shouldn’t pick.
That is a troll-worthy statement if I’ve ever seen one.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Apr 19, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on now
If that’s one of the most troll worthy comment you’ve ever seen then this site is way too sheltered. Wait till you play the Cowchips this season. Especially if you don’t come out on top. Or the Squeelers. Ugh, dealing with that crap may actually be worse than losing the game.
Nowhere did I use the word "most"
It read troll to me. I apologized to said poster in the event that I moved too fast for him.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Apr 19, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
People weren't as down on the Mario pick as it was portrayed
There were plenty of people who loved it. It was just that the VY fanboys and people who got caught up in the bush hype made a lot of noise.
Cushing might not have been first choice, and a select few hated him, *cough *cough MDC, but most were fine with it.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
I feel a little chippiness in the air as we get closer to draft day...
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Nice Post, Kerns
I flatly admit that I will not be happy at all if the Texans take Mathews in the first round. I further admit that my reaction to the Cushing pick (among others) shows that I have absolutely no idea what I’m talking about, and that Smithiak deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
Yeah but this is completely against the Smithiak way
They’d be buying out of their own philosophy by taking Mathews at 20 in the first round.
The sheer numbers of first round backs that end up being a huge bust or servicable at best in the past 10 years doesn’t lie. Even if you think the guy is “special”, Kubiak has passed on “the next barry sanders” before (reggie bush) with his first action as coach and we’d all say that was a great decision. They stuck to their guns a couple years ago and waited till the 3rd and picked up Slaton, who outgained the league as a rookie and through no fault of Smithiak’s, just didn’t come back strong as a sophomore.
In this case, the brass has to look at it this as ‘what is our biggest need personnel-wise?’ and if they take Mathews, these are a few things that they are conceding..
1. We got lucky with Steve Slaton in his rookie year and we don’t think he’ll ever play at the level he did as a rookie.
2. We have faith in Glover Quin, Brice McCain and Frenchy as the corners of this team or we believe we can find a talented starting CB in round 2 or 3
3. We have faith that Amobie Okoye will break out as a pass rushing menace this year and finally get the pressure up the middle that we’ve needed forever.
4. We believe that the rest of our Dline is sufficient as well (excuse me while i vomit everywhere).
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 19, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
On the Amobi front...
I heard he had cut down to his Senior Bowl weight of 290 and plans to play at that weight this season.
I believe he played last season at around 310-315?
"Lord, beer me strength."
Link?
Don’t get me wrong TDC, you have definitely earned trust around here w/ your posts.
I’m just curious to see if there is any more info…some lines to read between….anything that seems interesting while waiting for the draft…
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For the record, Okoye is No. 91 in your program, and in three seasons since the Texans made him the 10th pick of the 2007 NFL draft, he has eight sacks, 94 tackles and two forced fumbles.
Also for the record, he believes his fourth NFL season will be a special one. He’s still only 22 years old, and as the Texans have gone through different coaches and teammates, as he has struggled to find the perfect playing weight to balance strength and quickness, he believes the potential the Texans first saw in him will be realized this year.
"I just feel like this is the year," he said. "I’m back at the weight (290) that raised eyebrows at the Senior Bowl in the first place. I feel that’s what I should be, and I’m excited about this season."
I would link, but it’s a Dickie Justice article…and very poorly written….so, I’ll bring out the part that matters. I don’t remember if he stayed at 290 for his rookie season (the 5.5 sack season), but it’s interesting.
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by TexansDC on Apr 19, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you for posting details w/o linking
eom
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re: playing weight
It’s difficult as hell to figure out what he really played at.
The 2007 Media Guide lists him as 287 lbs when listing the drafted players (pg. 116), and then at 302 lbs on his bio page (pg 117).
The 2009 player bio shows him as 296 lbs both here and here.
The problem is….I don’t trust the media guides at all regarding player weights. So I’m pretty sure this was all an exercise in futility on my part.
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Just throwing this idea out there....
Not sure if anyone else said this, but what are the chances that Smithiak is leaking their interest in Mathews with the specific intent to draw in trade offers? Think about it. Maybe they have analyzed all the players that might be available at 20 and took stock of what teams there are out there with an interest of getting him?
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Apr 19, 2010 3:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Tim
It’s okay. I made a fool of myself with the Mario/Reggie thing. And you’re right. They obviously see something in Mathews that we don’t. Just like they did with Cushing.
I know how everybody "loooooves" the idea of trading up but...
in Pat Kirwan´s latest/last mock (I know these things are as accurate as Carr back in the day) he´s got Haden falling all the way to 17.
In this very unlikely event
1. how would you feel about trading up to get a top 10 talent
2. how high would the price be?
PS: please don´t ban me for life for the suggestion
by Scruffy The Janitor on Apr 19, 2010 2:11 AM CDT reply actions
I still wouldn't trade up.
Ever.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 19, 2010 3:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Werd
Trade Down in the 1st.
Always.
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Hoping we swap picks with San Diego
we give them #20 & 51, they give us #28 & 40, we take Devin McCourty at 28, then have first crack at a RB in the second round whether it’s Tate, Gerhart, or Hardesty
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by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I like that but
I’d go Cam Thomas or Cody with the #40 and go Gerheart or Hardesty in the 3rd – I think they’ll be there.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
yea
id go mccourty/cody/hardesty or mccourty/thomas/hardesty
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Apr 19, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Somehow, I doubt Gerhart will get past Pittsburgh in the second round
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by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven't heard Pittsburgh with Gerhart
would be interesting though. However, I would think they would go for a speed back to compliment Mendenhall.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 19, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
With their mentality, a pair of haymakers make a lot of sense
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by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah they're probably looking for
the next Jerome Bettis.
Gerhart is the next BUS.
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 19, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
40 is way too early to take any of those RBs
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by TexasHoosier on Apr 19, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
BANNED
I’m not going to unilaterally say no, but I just don’t know if what we gain here is worth giving up more later in such a deep draft.
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I would give up
A 4th for that privilege. MAYBE a 3rd in next years.
But my mancrush on Haden is well-known..
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by riversmccown on Apr 19, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Rivers you nailed it on "the chart"
According to the chart, to go from 20 to 17 is about equivalent to our 4th round pick.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Will Slaton come back from injury?
The merit of Matthews pick will boil down to Slaton’s chances of coming back from injury. My understanding of the situation is that post-injury Slaton’s chances of being a 3 down back will be extremely low. If that happens, then instead of looking for a back to complement Slaton, we will be in the market for our feature back with Slaton being the complimentary third down back. I think Smithiak would be fully justified in picking whoever they evaluate to be the best value feature back, if they plan to move Slaton to a complimentary/third down back to limit the pounding he takes.
Remember Chris Taylor?
He had a few good games at the end of the season once and he didn’t pan out. Not saying Foster will be a bum, just saying they can’t go into camp thinking Foster is the guy.
However, I want to see Jeremiah Johnson at full health. If whoever is drafted, Foster and Johnson all have great camps then the writing may be on the wall for Ryan Moats who isn’t guaranteed a roster spot in his new contract. Of course, no one knows what to expect from Johnson at this point. He is just a player I like and may be overvaluing.
oooooh...
Chris Taylor memories! I genuinely thought he was gonna be the guy. He looked genuinely good during those few games.
This ^
Damn injuries that destroy RBs so quickly.
What’s that? You say that I just indirectly argued against using a high-round pick on a RB? Weird.
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Yes,
Taylor’s failure was purely the result of injuries and not failing to take advantage of any opportunity.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Apr 19, 2010 3:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Right.....
From the mothership:
2007: Missed the 2007 season with a knee injury suffered in training camp.
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2006: Spent 11 games on the practice squad before being signed to the active roster (12/6) for the last four games…made the most of his time, finishing his rookie season with 28 rushes for 123 yards and one touchdown…also caught three passes for 40 yards…made his professional debut against Tennessee (12/10) and made two tackles on special teams…had his breakout game in the season finale against Cleveland (12/31), rushing 20 times for 99 yards and his first NFL touchdown, a five-yard run to in the third quarter…turned in a season-long run of 17 yards late in the first quarter…also caught one pass for 12 yards.
Transactions:
signed by Texans to active roster on December 6, 2006…placed on injured reserve on July 30, 2007…placed on injured reserve on Oct. 17, 2008.
In posting this, I assume you were being sarcastic about Taylor "not failing to take advantage of any opportunity. He took full advantage after being promoted from the PS, and then subsequently was injured and never returned to his rookie form.
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Do you remember the days when Pancakes could talk about nothing other than Taylor?
And I came up with the “Chris Taylor gets you stoned” tag because Pancakes kept saying how the staff was high on him? It’s another reason I don’t buy so much of what happens in the press. Nobody had Duane Brown on their radar, and many people felt we’d go with Matthews last year.
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I remember
The days when Pancakes formed complete sentences too.
No, I don't remember
probably b/c I was high at the time
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Also
Links to said postings, or it never happened…
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Here ya go
Just search the archives.
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No sarcasm intended
also, not sure if you are reading the intention of what I was saying. I was merely saying that injury was his downfall and that is all I meant by it.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I think my main reason for not liking the Mathews pick is a selfish one
I just don’t want to give up on Slaton. After his rookie season I was man crushing hard on Slaton highlights all offseason and it pained me to see him have a rough 2nd year after I talked him up to everyone I knew during the year. If we draft Mathews it will basically be the end of Slaton in a significant role and I don’t want to see that. I don’t want to see him get the Reggie Bush treatment.
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by DaGoaT on Apr 19, 2010 8:15 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I want Slaton to return, too
I am just so leery of neck injuries/surgeries. You really need to see him stand up to the punishment of an NFL game…or games, before you can say he is back….
So, until then, you need a viable candidate and let’s look at the bright side of this issue; isn’t the trend in the NFL to have a solid RB-tandem? RB by committee? Is that a bad thing if Slaton comes back and you have Mathews there too?
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
This is also a factor for me.
I’d have to say.
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by riversmccown on Apr 19, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
All i have to say is
even though it’s not fair to compare these two, i have to cause they both come from the same school. Can matthews be a david carr but at running back? If so this would be a very bad pick,and yes i know you can’t compare the two but you look at the confercne they play in and we all be at awe at them when none of that stuff matters. I hate to bring up that name as much as the next person but it might be a reality.
while it might not be the sexiest pick out there....(I seem to fall in the trade down and out of the first round camp)...
I would be very interested in Mathews performance as a Texan….the one question I keep coming back to is “if we could have had consistent production from one additional position last year, which one would have resulted in the most number of additional wins?” While I think that argument could rage for months, from Kicker to DT to OL (etc.) I believe that a sound argument could be made for RB.
Played well, it can improve the performance of the entire offense and defense. While it won’t turn Okoye into an All-Pro, it CAN get us that short first down, into the endzone, help sell the option, keep the other team’s denfense honest, sustain drives, eat the clock, close out games when we are in the lead, and keep the D off the field and fresh.
While I have been long wanting to shore up the OL as my top priority, I do believe that a Stud RB will make them look better and its easier to draft one stud RB than 5 stud OLmen.
So if Mathews can perform as expected (and as he has) I would guess that he could buy this team an extra 2 wins next season. We might be able to get there with other combinations of draftees, but this pick seems viable and if Smithiak selects him, I will not be disapointed and will be excited to see him in a Texans uniform. Can’t wait til Thursday!
by Smittybaby on Apr 19, 2010 9:25 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
How bout this slant...
By drafting a better DEFENSE, we can put the ball back in our already mighty Offense’s hands, to score more points, thus resulting in those extra wins.
Although, if you think about it… a WORSE defense gives up more scores, which also gives the ball back to the offense.
Gentlemen, we can’t lose! Let’s just enjoy the piss out of this draft!
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Apr 19, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
However.
It doesn’t do us much good to put the ball into our offense’s hands if they’re just going to cough it right back up or get stuffed in short yardage situations.
Paradox!
Then are you scared to put the ball in Schaub's hands?
because he’s pretty consistent about throwing one pick a game.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 19, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Your ideas are intriguing to me
and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
List of Fresno NFL Players
Current
Bernard Berrian, Wide receiver, Minnesota Vikings
Tom Brandstater – Quarterback, Denver Broncos
David Carr, Quarterback, San Francisco 49ers
Tyrone Culver, Defensive Back, Miami Dolphins
Therrian Fontenot, Defensive Back, Free agent
Vernon Fox, Safety, Denver Broncos
Orlando Huff, Linebacker, Free agent
Jermaine Jamison, Wide receiver, Philadelphia Eagles
Adam Jennings – Wide receiver, Detroit Lions
Logan Mankins – Guard, New England Patriots
Richard Marshall – Defensive Back, Carolina Panthers
Wendell Mathis – Running Back, Minnesota Vikings
Marcus McCauley – Defensive Back, Minnesota Vikings
Lorenzo Neal – Fullback, Free agent
Bear Pascoe – Tight End, New York Giants
Michael Pittman – Running Back, UFL’s Florida Tuskers
Bryan Robinson – Defensive End, Arizona Cardinals
James Sanders – Safety, New England Patriots
Jason Shirley – Defensive Tackle, Cincinnati Bengals
Clifton Smith – Running Back, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Stephen Spach – Tight End, Arizona Cardinals
Billy Volek – Quarterback, San Diego Chargers
Derrick Ward – Running Back, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Sam Williams – Linebacker, Oakland Raiders
Cameron Worrell – Safety, Free agent
Paul Williams – Wide Receiver, Tennessee Titans
Dwayne Wright – Running Back, Free agent
Rodney Wright – Wide Receiver, San Francisco 49ers practice squad
Former
Trent Dilfer – Quarterback, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1994-1999), Baltimore Ravens (2000), Seattle Seahawks (2001-2004), Cleveland Browns (2005), San Francisco 49ers (2006-2007)
Christopher Pacheco – Los Angeles Rams
Tydus Winans – Wide Receiver, Washington Redskins
Stephone Paige – Wide Receiver, Kansas City
Chris Conrad – Offensive Tackle, Pittsburgh Steelers
Ron Rivers – Running Back, Detroit Lions
Henry Ellard – Wide Receiver, Los Angeles Rams
Stephen Baker – Wide Receiver, New York Giants
Ron Cox – Linebacker, Chicago Bears Green Bay Packers
Marquez Pope – Defensive Back
Malcolm Floyd – Wide Receiver
David Dunn – Wide Receiver
Reggie Brown – Fullback
Charlie Jones – Wide Receiver
Jahine Arnold – Wide Receiver
Omar Stoutmire – Safety
Cory Hall – Safety
Does the list speak for itself? I just wanted to see what kind of players from Fresno State have made it into the NFL. I know it doesn’t mean anything and Mathews could be an exception to the rule but based on this list I really don’t see anyone that I would give up a first round pick for and I don’t know if’s that’s just by chance of if it’s indicative of the type of players that come out of Fresno State. Just something to think about and discuss.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
Funny how the best two players on that list are a FB & an O-Lineman on the Patriots
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by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Would I be disappointed?
Well, yeah. I would think we weren’t addressing areas that are of higher priority, but I’ve always been a line and D first kind of guy.
Would I be as upset as when we took Cushing? No, not even close. I think there’s plenty of justification to take him, but I don’t think it would make us measurably better.
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And we can all see how right I was on Cushing.
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 19, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Which raises another issue
To some extent it’s hard to evaluate the Mathews pick in light of who else the Texans take (assuming we do take him). What if they take Mathews in the first and Cody in the second? I would be ok with that, even if I would rather have waited until later to take a running back. We’ve spent a lot of time looking at the possibility of picking Mathews in a vacuum and that’s a really shortsighted way of doing it.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 19, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I both agree and disagree with you
I still believe we aren’t addressing our highest priority needs, which are CB, DT, F, and Oline. Without addressing the oline, we still face almost the same exact problems we had running the ball last year, so we are negating Mathews’ talent to a large extent. Additionally, we aren’t addressing CB until at least the third in your scenario, but we all know we wouldn’t take a guy like Cody, anyway.
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 19, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Technically
It would be fuckee.
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I agree that we shouldn't look for a rb first.
But what I’m saying is that if we do it doesn’t necessarily blow a hole in our draft or anything. If we address the other needs as you’ve outlined them (especially at the crucial Freak position) then the draft won’t have been a bust or anything.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 19, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Who's currently available at the freak position?
Hope you don’t mean Taylor Mays?
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by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Dennis Rodman.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 19, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Oops
Meant FS.
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 19, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah, he's in rehab
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by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't need quitters
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by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Cody won't be there at 51.
Arizona at 26, San Diego at 28, 40, Kansas City at 37, 51…Denver has 2 picks in the 40s…..Minnesota could go Cody……
"Lord, beer me strength."
It was a hypothetical
Whether or not Cody is there is less the point than the idea that we can’t just analyze the draft on the basis of who we take in the first. We have to look at how we address all of our needs. While I agree that we shouldn’t be taking a rb in the first, if we do and somehow manage to draft talent that fits our other needs I wouldn’t be too upset.
It didn’t have to be Cody. I was just using him as an example.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 19, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
ESPN just had a spot on Toby Gerhart...
Apparently, Todd McShay (who, to be honest…I like a lot more than Kiper), feels like Houston goes RB at 51.
He was talking about Toby Gerhart and spots where he could go. Listed 3 teams who will likely go RB in the 50s (Houston, New England, and Green Bay).
I hope McShay’s right about RB in the 50s. Of course, McShay also thinks Haden is dropping to 20….so, you know, take it with a grain of salt…
"Lord, beer me strength."
If Haden drops to #20 & we take Gerhart at #51, how long would it take to build him an altar?
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by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
No. Freaking. Gerhart.
Talk about not addressing ANYTHING.
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 19, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I like Gerhart
but I wouldn’t take him in the second since I think he will be there in the third and possibly at the 4th which to me would be the best value. I still think there are other holes to fill first and to be honest I would hold out till the 4th and hope that either Gerheart or Blount would be there and then grab one of them. I’m actually leaning towards Blount. I like Gerharts numbers, attitude and work ethic. Also I wouldn’t be pissed if we didn’t draft a RB this draft period.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
I’m anti-Gerhart, but I would like him better than Mathews in the 1st.
That said: Gerhart doesn’t fit in the ZBS and I’d rather have Tate, but if McShay wants to give us Haden…then I’ll take whatever RB he gives us.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Maybe we should draft him for his bruising mentality alone?
At his size, he should be able to get yards in short yardage situations, & maybe grab a few extra yards as well
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by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
At best he could ram into Ragdoll & push him forward
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by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't give him that much credit...
we all know Ragdoll would be on his ass by then.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Then he could use Ragdoll as a springboard
He’s used to getting stepped on anyway
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by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Or here's another idea, Use the Maryland I formation
Line up Gerhart behind Casey & Leach, or Slaton/Foster behind Gerhart & Leach. Hopefully 2 FBs can pick up Ragdoll’s slack long enough for a hole to open up
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by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Ragdoll falling
on anyone is asking for immediate medivac to the hospital for crush fractures
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Go Texans!
Why?
Would we spend a second round pick on a short yardage back?
I don't disagree.
If we spend a 2nd round pick on a RB…his last name needs to be Tate.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Knowing Todd McShay
if he thinks Haden will fall to 20, then Haden will be destined to fail. Damn you McShay…
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 19, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn
that makes too much sense. Even McShay could not jinx Haden now.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 19, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
To go with McShay saying Haden falling
PFT has over to a story about how Kyle Wilson may be the first cornerback taken. They mention that he may even go as high as the Browns.
Personally, I would love for Wilson to go that high for my own amusement. I know a Browns fan who has been trying to convince me that Kyle Wilson would be terrible in the NFL. His main problem with Wilson…height and how he will be beat by taller receivers because of that. However, he thinks Kareem Jackson should be the #2 rated CB (b/c scouts inc ranks him second best) and assures me that half inch difference between Wilson and Jackson makes him good against taller receivers.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 19, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
If we pass on Iuputa to take Mathews I will be dissapoint
I just think that O line should always have priority over RB.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
hah
I just see most running backs as shiny toys. Would Chris Johnson or even AP be as great as they are if they weren’t running behind really good offensive lines? The Baltimore trio? Shon Green?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
and Bingo was his name-o
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
And just like shiny toys
that shine wears off fast. Then you have to scrap the toy for a new one. Instead of spending a lot of money on that shiny toy, why not just go with the happy meal today that is much cheaper?
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 19, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
To be fair
Chris Johnson would be pretty good behind any o-line. Even ours.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 19, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
He'd probably run right around it
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by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Good? Sure.
As good as he is now? I don’t think it would be close.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Bruiser
Earlier someone mentioned the Texans needing a bruiser RB. The response they got was that
The entire Texans system is based on RB’s being quick and shifty and making cuts
However, can’t we see how a bruising short yardage back could have at least sent games into overtime for us against Arizona and Jacksonville and, if the team had any faith in the short yardage ability of Chris Brown, they wouldn’t have run that terrible half back pass on first and goal from the 5 the second time we played Jacksonville.
It may be true that the Texans prefer a quick, shifty back, but there is an obvious need for a bruiser who will get those yards. At 5’11" 218 Matthews might be that guy, but I think that guy will still be available in the second/third round.
In the division we play in, the obvious need is to upgrade at CB and with the best available at this position being projected in the first round it seems the best option. If Matthews is brought in as a Slaton-, Moats-type runner and not a short yardage guy who can bust it open, then I will be dissappointed because I haven’t abandoned ship on Steve Slaton, Ryan Moats, or Arian Foster.
if the team had any faith in the short yardage ability of Chris Brown, they wouldn’t have run that terrible half back pass on first and goal from the 5 the second time we played Jacksonville.
That was on like 1st down, and it wasn’t short yardage. In the games where we needed to score from the 1, our entire interior line got blown up in the backfield. In that situation Mathews would have had the same exact results.
You don’t blow a first yard pick on a guy simply for short yardage situations. Thats lunacy. LUNACY I TELL YOU.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Not necessarily
Ok we all know our OLine was terrible in the run game last year, but you can’t convince me that a legitimate sized and athletic bruiser type back wouldn’t make any difference (i.e get the extra inch or 3 we needed on about 3 plays last year.
We were choosing between Chris Brown, Steve Slaton and Ryan Moats on the goal line..all of which who fumbled frequently, two of which who are grossly undersized and weak and one who’s just old, slow and horrible at running the ball.
However, I definately agree that spending a first round pick on that type of back is ludacris, but we have do address it at some point because those plays could’ve very well pushed us into the playoffs.
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 19, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, no RB is doing anything with how badly our line got mangled on the goal line against Arizona.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
good players make good plays
and Chris Brown is the antithesis of a good player
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 19, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Great argument
It deftly sidesteps having to acknowledge how badly our line was in that situation.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
no reason to acknowledge how bad'ly' our line was
thats just plain common sense…however I will acknowledge the fact that MJD, Ray Rice, Michael Turner, Brandon Jacobs, hell even Lendale freakin White may have motored someone for an extra foot, maybe Stephen Jackson could’ve cut outside and made someone miss or damn even Reggie Bush could’ve maybe leapt into the endzone…anyone but Chris Brown.
Once again, good players make great plays..
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 19, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
How about giving the ball to...
Slaton, Moats or Foster??? I recall the Texans picking up Brown becasue they said they needed a “goal line back” and they just used that as default to put Brown in the game. All the other backs we had seemed either as capable if not more capable to punch it in from the 1 yard line but since they picked up Brown as this saving grace runner who could “pound” it in from the goal line I don’t ever remember them giving any others a real chance at punching it in.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
Again, I honestly think the chances of ANYONE getting through their against Arizona are slight. If you think any of those guys are going to push a 330+ pound lineman into the end zone when your lineman are falling on their asses you are simply wrong.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree
I’m just not comfortable deflecting blame away from a horrible back (chris brown) onto his offensive line (given they are horrible as well) because by that philosophy, a shitty back can always get a pass on the “his Oline is terrible” where as a great back is seldomly attributed to a good OLine but to the sheer talent of the back. Follow?
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 19, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Depends on the back...
Emmitt Smith – Great OL, better than the back
Barry Sanders – Great back, varying opinion on the line
I just can’t see many backs succeeding behind the line last year.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Precisely my point
Take a CB with the first pick and bolster that group to be ready for games against Tennessee, Indianapolis, NYJets, Chargers, and Cowboys. All teams that are pretty darn good at throwing the ball.
The Texans need a guy who can get the yards they need in short yardage situations and, in my opinion, that is about all they need to add to this running back group. Which is to say that NO RB should be taken in the first round. (this kind of a back will probaby still be available in the third round or later)
Sounds good to me.
It would be nice to have a short yardage back to add to our stable, and those can be found at great value later in the draft.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 19, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Especially if he has a nice right cross
LeGarrett Blount anybody?
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't screw with Blount
He says he’s the best RB in the draft.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
Reminds me of that guy from Pitt
About 8-10 years ago, what was his name…can’t just jump to look it up on this blackberry…dang! Anyways, I remember he was tooting his own horn…Kevin Something. He turned out to be just a journeyman under-performing bust.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Apr 19, 2010 3:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The problem with that line of thought is...
a bruiser would have done us wonders in 2009. There’s no guarantee that we’ll find ourselves in that situation again.
Of course, the easier solution would be to get an offensive line who could make a 1 yard push. Then you can stick anyone back there at RB.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Hell, Ron "Three Pies & A Cloud of Meringue" Dayne could have gotten that one yard for us
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah we could go with Arizona's philosophy
Stack up on wide recievers and tight ends and just hope to throw it into the endzone everytime.
but no, I don’t like that.
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 19, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Without absolving the RB's
I’d say it’s a lot harder to get a goal-line TD when 3 of your starting linemen can’t hold the point of attack on a run play.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Apr 19, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Pouncey
I’ve been wanting him a little more each week. Him or Iupati. Its not that I think Mathews isn’t good, I just don’t value RB before O line, D line or CB.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I could live with Pouncey
well, any O-linemen in the first would at least tell us that the FO seems the real problem in the running game.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 19, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
UH
the draft is in like three fuckng days!!
here comes dan williams!!!
also anyone know a way to get better at playing acoustic guitar??
"Its like a silk bag filled with puppy ears"
lessons?
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
by bigfatdrunk on Apr 19, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
no no no
Pixie dust
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Just play louder?
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
It goes to 11
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
by bigfatdrunk on Apr 19, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not just make 10 louder?
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 19, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
This one goes to 11.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 19, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I, for one, do not believe the problem was that the band was down.
I can quote Spinal Tap all night. All. Fucking. Night.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 19, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
We're very big in Bulgaria
And whats his name, the other garia.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Apr 19, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mathews
From the video posted Mathews seems pretty good at completely jumping over the pile into the endzone. This could be effective seeing as this tactic would allow him to completely avoid the ragdoll… and even if ragdoll was completely blown up 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage laying on his back, Mathews could use his stomach as a springboard as Night Owl said and get even higher over the pile…
Any takers?
by Da babyfacedassassin Meco on Apr 19, 2010 1:35 PM CDT reply actions
As it was said above...
he ended his career with 3 straight stuffs from the 1 against Wyoming.
Also, why spend such a high pick for someone who can run for a yard when you got needs for other starters? If you want a power back…you can find those specialists in the later rounds….example: LeGarrette Blount in round 4 or 5.
"Lord, beer me strength."
...
It was a joke more than anything. You obviously wouldn’t draft someone just because they can jump over a line. Its just always fun to rag on the ragdoll… I want McCourty or Wilson seeing as Glover and Reeves terrify me as our solid lock down DB crew.
by Da babyfacedassassin Meco on Apr 19, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn’t catch it. My bad.
I’d feel better with a CB. Maybe even 2 (Donovan Warren in round 4? Alterraun Verner in round 6?).
"Lord, beer me strength."
Secondary
If someone could promise me K Jackson would fall to us at 2, I would like to fill other needs such as Oline or DT in round 1. Im just not sure he will. I dont know too much about either of those guys you mentioned but I would love drafting 2 CBs in this draft. I just feel like a 1-3 round CB selection is essential with one of those guys in later rounds for depth.
by Da babyfacedassassin Meco on Apr 19, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Spievey or Ghee would be better choices at 51 than Jackson, imo.
Warren’s got 1st round talent, but a bad year has kind of pushed him to the 4th/5th.
Verner’s almost a dead exact copy of Joe Haden. Someone at Mocking the Draft did a blind comparison of stats and combine numbers…..they’re nearly identical, but Verner’s got a 5th-6th grade.
Those are just 2 examples of good corner value.
"Lord, beer me strength."
X Nay On Ryan Ay
Secondary or Line help in the 1st (or trade down)
Tate or Toby in the 2nd
Whatever we didn’t get in the first, get in the 3rd
"I've never gone into a game trying to win the Heisman Trophy; I go into a game trying to win." - Colt McCoy
From the National Football Post's Wes Bunting:
Hearing the Texans LOVE Kyle Wilson but will take Ryan Mathews From Fresno State if he’s not there
NFP is pretty good...
and if that’s right……I’ll take solace that Mathews isn’t their option A.
Thursday’s gonna be something else…let’s hope Durga is on our side.
"Lord, beer me strength."
...
Im so nervous. I cannot wait any longer for Thursday. Test tomorrow that I could give a poop about. I will be praying to Durga all week…
by Da babyfacedassassin Meco on Apr 19, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
But I’m still not buying. I won’t until we pull the trigger. I just don’t think our FO is that transparent.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
^^^^^ This.
They’re going so over the top about this obsession with Mathews that it almost has to be a ploy. Doesn’t it? Please?
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 19, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
...
I think we should all just tell ourselves that we are 100% going to get mathews. This way, if we draft someone else such as KW, it will be a feeling of pure greatness, but if we do end up drafting Mathews we won’t do anything crazy like a mass suicide bridge jump…
by Da babyfacedassassin Meco on Apr 19, 2010 4:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Kuharsky has Houston taking Mathews
With Kyle Wilson and Devin McCourty still on the board. Earl Thomas and DWill both gone
by HoustonTransplant on Apr 19, 2010 4:41 PM CDT reply actions
Foolish man.
Complete the offense over defensive need? Really? What a terrible line of reasoning.
Defense wins championships, offense wins fantasy games.
"Lord, beer me strength."
last years Superbowl teams
might suggest theres a changing of the guard with the whole “defense wins championships” idea…more like killer offenses with opportunistic bend-but-don’t-break defenses win championships.
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 19, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps, either way....
Whether dominant or opportunistic…Texans need some help. More than the offense does.
17th in points allowed, 13th in yards allowed, 12th in rushing yards allowed, 18th in passing yards allowed, 21st in Interceptions, 19th in forced fumbles, and 25th in sacks.
"Lord, beer me strength."
FO has us ranked 19th
D is where we need to improve, especially when it comes to sacks and interceptions.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
Something needs to improve...
17th, 13th, 12th, 18th, 21st, 19th, 25th….
It just paints a picture of a very blah defense…that is the BEST EVER IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!!!!!
"Lord, beer me strength."
no doubt on that
Our offense has been ripped the league up for 2 years now, with or without a running game. Our defense hasn’t..but with one or two more playmakers added to an already young and cohesive unit, i think we could be a serious top 5 defense.
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 19, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
And the running game?
30th in YPC, and tied for 23rd in fumbles. The rest of the stats ain’t pretty either, but I’ll leave those out. I’m interested in ball security, YPC, and short-yardage success rates. This team is awful in every aspect of the running game.
I think an offensive lineman would be a better cure than a RB, but it wouldn’t be a sin to go offense with that first-rounder. Trends change; there aren’t a whole lot of teams out there winning championships with shitty running games. Manning didn’t get it done until Addai and Rhodes started playing a bigger part in the offense. New Orleans finally ran the ball well last year.
Defense is nice and all, but that cliche shouldn’t deter anybody from drafting a player they rate highly at a position of dire need.
4th in 1st downs per game, 11th in TOP per game,10th in points per game, 4th in total offense…the offense is going to move and score.
30th? The 32nd best rushing team won the AFC Championship. 7 of the top 12 rushing teams weren’t playoff teams. As for the Saints, they won because they finally had some sort of defense last year.
I just don’t see where that 1st round running back is going to make a drastic change. You can get backs just as good in rounds 2-7….as the stats show.
Thirty-two backs have been selected in the first round since 2000, including future Hall of Famer LaDainian Tomlinson and epic busts Chris Perry and William Green. During the same period, 27 backs have been selected in rounds two through seven; players such as Portis, Maurice Jones-Drew and Frank Gore have been major factors.
It turns out there isn’t much difference between the two groups in terms of production.
The average first-rounder was taken with the 17th pick overall. In his career, he’ll carry the ball 911 times for 3,867 yards and 30 touchdowns. Plus, he catches 123 balls for 1,067 yards and three TDs.
For those not drafted in the first round, the average draft slot comes out at No. 104, which would be Seattle’s selection in this year’s draft — the sixth pick in the fourth round. Career stats for that back are 739 carries, 3,235 yards and 22 touchdowns on the ground, and 122 receptions for 1,000 yards and four touchdowns through the air.
As I said above, half of the 2010 Pro Bowl RBs were picked in rounds 2-7. 8 of 9 Pro Bowl CBs were picked in round 1. Sorry, but I don’t see where RB in round 1 is the right move…not when the defense could use help or even the offensive line could use talent.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Apr 19, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
It should also be pointed out
that the Saints had a dominant O-line and that any of their RBs did well behind that line. Except on the goal-line in the Superbowl…
In any case, the Saints running game was made up of Pierre Thomas (undrafted) as the starter, Reggie Bush (1st round) as the third down back, Mike Bell (undrafted) to spell Thomas and goal-line carries, and Hamilton (undrafted) taking the place of Bell now.
If someone says that we should emulate the Saints, then I say great because we already have a third down back and do not have to draft one in the first round.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 19, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Well if we did wanna emulate New Orleans...
we’d want Spiller or McCluster to play the Reggie Bush role.
And…I wouldn’t exactly be sad with either player.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I'm not arguing for Matthews.
As I said, I think that an offensive lineman would be way better for our running game than a RB. However, I still think that improving that running game with a better push from one of the OG positions (particularly in short-yardage and goal-line situations) would be better for this team than any single defensive player who might be available.
As for the Saints… 20th in points allowed, 25th in yards allowed, 24th in YPC allowed, 15th (behind us) in YPA allowed), 13th in sacks (but only five more than the Texans). 3rd in INTs was the saving grace of that team, but I wouldn’t say that their defense was good by any means. I think they won it last year because having a running game gave them some consistency on offense.
You have to give their D
a little more credit. I think they had something like 9 defensive TD’s last year which will help a team win a few more games in a season. If the Texans had finished middle of th pack on D but had something like 9 TD’s then we very well could have been playing in the playoffs last year, oh and a kicker that could actually make one every once in a while wouldn’t hurt either.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
The only problem
Is that it actually doesn’t complete the offense because unfortunately Ragdoll, Studdard, and Chris White remain “offensive players.” Though with any luck 2/3 of them will not start this year.
i wish we signed ryan torain...
maybe he could bounce back…the reskins just signed him but he will have to make it out of camp…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Apr 19, 2010 4:53 PM CDT reply actions
RB vs OL
Not to ruffle any feathers, but here is an article on the Texans ESPN page talking about how it is of more value to draft a RB in the first as opposed to an OL. Im not sure if this article has been mentioned on here yet, but it somewhat implies teams drafting a RB in the first round to bolster their running game have been more effective than teams drafting an OL. (backed up statistically).
Take a gander if you’d like….
by Da babyfacedassassin Meco on Apr 19, 2010 5:43 PM CDT reply actions
I bet(and I don't have the time right now to do the research)
That the reason teams the draft RB in the top 10 instead of line fair better is because they ALREADY have a good line.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
by nolander on Apr 19, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heck
This article is about the top 10 picks, which means its basically about tackle vs RB, so its not really about the OL as a whole. We aren’t in the top 10, and most likely if we went lineman we wouldn’t be going tackle despite what some may want. Ergo, ipso facto and QED, this article is not relevant to the current debate.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
by nolander on Apr 19, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
...
Yeah I am not defending the idea of taking mathews or anything like that. I was just posting that for BRBers to take a look. Like I’ve said previously, I 100% want DB in rd 1 so I just have Wilson and mccourty on my mind.
by Da babyfacedassassin Meco on Apr 19, 2010 7:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That also implies that...
ESPN has a fucking clue. which we all know is not the case.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
The best RB for Houston is Hardesty
I’ve watched enough Youtube to be promoted NFL Draft Expert. So i think my opinion carries some weight here. Reviewing the film of the available RBs, I think Hardesty has the best skill set for this team. His ability to cut the run back and make smart decisions makes him stand-out. My guess is that he is gone by the time we pick in R3. the question is, do you take the risk of picking him in R2, given his injury history?
Gerhart, Best and Mathews supposedly make good choices, and are worth consideration. Spiller, Dwyer and Tate aren’t as good in the decsion making department. Of the three, Dwyer doesn’t look like a fit, and tate looks like just a guy.
by kozanack on Apr 19, 2010 6:00 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I'd go ahead & reach for Hardesty in the second
as long as we grab some interior O-Linemen later
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 20, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Searching for negatives...
Seems to be what most here are doing. Trying to find flaws. Now most say if Earl Thomas is there you go with him. But the point is that most likely he will not be there at 20. He’s rated the 2nd best safety and 3rd best DB mainly if not 2nd. Secondary is rather deep in this draft. RB is not that deep.
Now I hear Ben Tate. Folks just because he came from the SEC means little. He did nothing against the top run defensive teams. His 100+ yard games were against 81st, 62nd, 58th, 65th, 73rd and 100th ranking rush defense. He couldn’t get 80 yards on the higher ranked run defenses. Even against 1-AA Furman (ranked 94th in run defense for 1AA) he gained 94 yards.
Matthews meanwhile gained 100+ yards in every game except one he only had 8 carries. Against the 5th ranked rush defense? 107yds. The 28th? 234yds. Heh even 1AA he faced a stiff defense than Tate in UC Davis who was 38th and he gained 106yds.
So does he have flaws? Yes. But he has more positives. And while RB is the easiest developed position you have to also find a back that fits your system. All the names of the past are nice but doesn’t mean everyone equals a fit for what you do.
Main difference
Mathews = first round
Tate = second round
Mathews’ flaws are one thing. But the short NFL life of RBs and ability for late round RBs to fit the system as long as the team has a good O-line make me not want to spend a first round pick on any RB outside of some amazing talent like AP or LT.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 19, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
We need a system fit? You don't say...
The best system fit is: Montario Hardesty who flourished under Lane Kiffin’s zone-blocking scheme attack. He also has better hands than Mr. Mathews and comes with 3rd round value.
Honestly, if you can make a good case for a 3rd rounder being equal to a 1st rounder than you take the 3rd round guy….and go elsewhere in round 1.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Montario
The main thing about him is he has had multiple knee injuries already. Three to be exact and before last season only played in 6 games out of 36 because of it. Then he turned around last season and had to handle the second most carries in Volunteers history. In other words, he may already come with wear on his body at a position that breaks down rather quickly in the NFL. So his durability is definitely in question.
I'm sure...
those 6 additional carries (and 26 in a career) really makes injury more likely with Hardesty than Mathews.
And it’s only 2 knee injuries: A torn ACL (which OD has 3 himself) and a stress fracture (then he came back and had his best season).
The 3rd injury…was ankle sprains. And what RB hasn’t sprained an ankle at some point?
"Lord, beer me strength."
I sprain my ankle weekly
but then again they never swell or hurt for very long
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
Difference though
Ryan Mathews = first round
Montario Hardesty = third round
It’s all about value.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 20, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Also those going on and on about the New Mexico Bowl, definitely not good. Though the fact that everyone and their mother knew what was happening probably helped. At that point in truth a lot more is upon your offensive line than anything else. Just like you see in the video posted above he scored on the goal line leaping over the top.
Let’s also add Matthews led the nation in rushing in high school as well. So he has been talented from the start. Saying he performed well against poor defense like he was supposed is simply finding an out. He either got the job done or he didn’t. It’s more of a concern if he failed to produce against those times than the fact that he actually did.
jus seen on espn.com that we have the toughest schedule in the nfl this year
it will be VERY tough jus to duplicate last years 9-7 record
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5109753
by HB23 on Apr 19, 2010 7:37 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
yeah
the schedule is a real kick to MDC’s nuts.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
That's the only thing about the schedule that I like.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 19, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Props to Chris89
http://www.battleredblog.com/2010/1/7/1239706/texans-have-hardest-strength-of
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
Eh...
it’s tough based on last year’s records.
Every year, for about the past decade, the playoff turnover has been 5-7 teams. An injury here, player progression/degression…..teams can go up and down.
The Saints had a 2009 SOS of .557 and ended up fine. We all know what it comes down to for Houston: Division play. We’ve sucked in the division…if we ever wanna go to the playoffs then we need to do better against the Colts, Tits, and Jags.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Apr 19, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is exactly correct
History has shown that getting up in arms about this sort of thing is a bit silly. It’s highly unlikely when it’s all said and done that the Texans will have faced the toughest slate of teams.
I agree w/ you
But I am also very surprised that you’re still alive. I though you & Vega went Jonestown on us.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Good...that fucker deserved it
/love you soccty
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Holy shit!
I thought we’d lost you with dgdb&d…
Welcome aboard, sailor!
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Division is key...
I just don’t want us to be the butt end of highlight films again this year. And for Kolb and Sanchez to not look like rock stars.
This upcoming season is an excellent opportunity to rise up and conquer.
by HoustonTransplant on Apr 20, 2010 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Are we playing the Eagles at home???
I am just wondering, because i was hoping Kolb to be a Texan, you know being him being a Coog alum and all..
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
I believe, for the East,
it’s Dallas and NY Giants at home with trips to Washington and Philadelphia.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Dammit
but then again depending on the time of year, going to the NE isn’t that bad… plus didn’t we win all of our games last season we played in freezing temps?
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
What that means for Texan fans?
Leave your daughter at home if you go to the Philly game.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Especially if you're an off duty cop
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 20, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
All you need to know about Daniel Jeremiah
http://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/3112792202
“Heyward-Bey has a huge upside b/c of his size/speed combo. Hands aren’t great. He’ll help run game by stretching the field in OAK.”
I honestly think Heyward-Bey would be better...
If he had a QB that could throw him the ball. Not worthy of where he was picked, but better than he was last year.
But to be fair
I’m better than he looked last season.
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
by Autra on Apr 20, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know
you seemed to be slouching by the end of the season. That raised questions about your love for the game and work ethic.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 20, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm
Just heard the following on ESPN2’s First Take
Texans likely to go RB or CB in round 1 – depending on who you ask. Some say they love Wilson, some say McCourty, and some say Mathews. However (this is sure to piss people off, but it’s what I’ve been saying), they would pass on Earl Thomas if he were available at 20. They feel like CB/RB is a bigger need. ((This came from a NFL beat reporter…)
"Lord, beer me strength."
That's Surprising...
I heard many teams state Earl Thomas would be a strong CB so I don’t see why the Texans would pass on him if he has the skills to be converted. As it is after he bulked up after the season to prepare for safety in the NFL he turned around and lost some weight again which is one reason teams think he could be better off at corner.
I think we all knew it would be RB/CB with the first two picks. Just not sure which position first. I like Kyle Wilson if he’s still there when we choose or McCourty though I think we could trade down a bit for him. Maybe lure the Chargers if they want to snag Matthews and gain us an additional pick or something. But really Wilson, Thomas and if something in the stars made the impossible, Haden would be my top ideas. If none of those are there they’ll probably go Matthews.
I wonder if Thomas can play CB
I can’t remember the last time a safety was converted into a CB. Usually, it’s the other way around.
If the Chargers were locked into Mathews then they should trade above Houston. However, I am in the camp that believes that all the rantings of Mathews-to-Houston is entirely too obvious. It’s not the MO of the current regime of Texans to be that obvious. I’ll be praying to Durga for Wilson/McCourty.
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Wasn't Revis converted to CB?
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 20, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Dunno, but Scrabble was...
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Apr 20, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ding ding ding ding ding
We have a winner!
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
If we pass on Earl...
For Kyle Wilson, I’ll live. If we pass on him for Ryan Mathews…the galaxies will implode!
If we pass on Earl Thomas for Ryan Matthews
I think Spec’s will receive a huge boost is sales
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by The Night Owl on Apr 20, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
From the Rick Smtih pre-draft conference
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If the GM says they’re looking for playmakers, guys who want the ball in their hands, that means RB and CB when you have those needs.
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If you say so, John.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 20, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone else getting tired of talking about the draft?
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 20, 2010 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I JUST CAN'T TAKE THE GODDAMN WAITING
Thees next 3 days are going to be tough. i also have an offer in on a house that I’m waiting to hear back on.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
If we draft a RB early
I think it says more about our concerns of Steve Slaton’s future more than anything. If we were optimistic about Slaton performing close to his rookie year level than last year’s, no way we pursue a RB earlier than the first 3 rounds.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 20, 2010 8:41 PM CDT reply actions
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