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2010 NFL Draft Sleepers

We've been over the top of the draft at this point with a comb so fine-toothed that it could even penetrate Dunta Robinson's dreadlocks.  Kyle Wilson, Devin McCourty, Ryan Mathews, Maurkice Pouncey...the arguments have been hashed and rehashed.  The guys who we're hoping fall to us: Dan Williams, Joe Haden, Earl Thomas, in one order or another.  And so forth.  

I want to take a little break from this stuff and look at some lower-round prospects I like.  I already went over guys I liked in the first round and guys I liked in the second round.  This list will mainly be filled with guys I think have a legitimate chance of going in the fourth round or lower.  

Now obviously, I'm not advocating we take any of these players over a surprise faller.  If for instance, say, Cam Thomas is available in the fourth for some reason, or everyone falls asleep on Lamarr Houston, these guys should be grabbed first.  My draft philosophy in the first few rounds is to try to take the safest player available at a position of need, barring a case where best player available simply demands we take Dez Bryant or someone like that.  With my lower round picks, I'm a lot more willing to gamble on guys who have been hurt, guys who haven't been consistent but have shown star ability at some point, and so forth.  I love the steady guys early, but when we get into the later rounds, I want boom or bust players--guys who can be very productive but have had a few question marks.  I also stop caring about positional needs almost altogether.  Because of this, you'll find my list overpopulated with guys who ran poor 40s, were hurt at some point, and stacked at positions the draft is deep with.  That's the way it crumbles.

Star-divide

1) WR Dezmon Briscoe, Kansas.  Age at start of 2010 season: 21.

Alright, if you haven't read up on Football Outsiders' Playmaker Scores yet, I'll save you the time looking it up:

The formula is simple: Take each receiver's yards per catch in college football, multiply it by his career touchdowns and divide by games played. The theory behind the formula is equally simple: If you can't show dominance against NCAA defenses with a steady diet of big plays, spectacular red zone performance or both, you aren't likely to be productive in the NFL.

Running the numbers for the 2010 draft class, Dez Bryant comes out first (compares very favorably to Andre Johnson and Reggie Wayne, in fact), and second, in this deep crop of wideouts, is Dezmon Briscoe.  Why has Briscoe become an afterthought?  If you guessed "poor combine times", you are correct!  He has terrific hands and crisp route-running, but his 40 time of 4.64 has teams second-guessing the numbers.  Combine his terrific production and his relative youth (barely 21 at the start of 2010), and I think adding him as a fifth receiver would make life uncomfortable for Walt Whiteout, Jakespeare, and Kevin Walter in the near future, if not immediately.  

2) Patrick Stoudamire, CB, Northern Illinois.  Age at start of 2010 season: 22.

If you want a really deep sleeper, you could do worse than the "Nmandi Asmougha of the MVC" in the last few rounds.  Stoudamire was a three-time all-conference performer, showed off terrific skills in the Shrine game, started from his freshman year on, and reportedly didn't allow a single touchdown in his entire time at Northern Illinois.  Now, the real question is:  How does he look versus real competition?  Well, that might be a little inconclusive.  However, anyone who runs a sub-4.5 40 and has the Stoudamire athletic blood (Damon, Salim) shouldn't be too overmatched in the NFL.  Instead of nabbing a big conference player who projects as a nickel or dime back, why not an athletic small school player with high upside?

3) George Selvie, DE/OLB, South Florida.  Age at start of 2010 season: 23.

Okay, so obviously everyone knows who George Selvie is.  He was invited to the combine, he has a truckload of college hardware, and had he come out after his 14.5 sack redshirt sophomore season, he almost undoubtedly would've been a first round pick.  So why is everyone so down on him?  He had a pretty unproductive senior season (9.5 TFL, 3.5 sacks), and he followed that up with a very unsexy 4.92 40 time.  Why is he here, aside from the productivity of his past 3 years?  Well for one thing, with all the South Florida defensive players (Allen, Pierre-Paul, Murphy) that are on this side of the draft, I have expressed some doubt about how great they were because they fed off each other as a unit.  What I was really trying to say is "I think teams that played South Florida gameplanned for Selvie and these other kids picked up the slack in easier situations."  Another, more memorable moment, is the staggering amount of times an offensive lineman was asked at the combine what player was the hardest he'd gone up against, only to say George Selvie.  It was at least 4 or 5.  You'd expect the first-round grade guys, Brandon Graham, Pierre-Paul, and so forth, to get that treatment, but I kept hearing Selvie over and over again.  The Texans aren't really in the market for another edge rusher, but if Selvie falls to them, they might find themselves with one more.

4) James Starks, RB, Buffalo.  Age at start of 2010 season: 24.

Starks is a one-cut runner with exceptional bulk and speed.  He ran a flat 4.5 40, weighs 218, and caught an exceptional number of balls out of the backfield.  What does this tell us?  He's damn near perfect for the zone blocking scheme.  He's not as good as Ben Tate, no, not by a long shot.  Not at age 24 and padding his stats for Buffalo instead of the SEC, but he's not too far off.  The only reason he's this low in the pecking order is small school syndrome and a season ending injury last year, which was a labral tear, and thus not related to his main tools--his legs.  My main concern is simply the age.  If I'm drafting someone, I want him to be someone who can play for us for 8-10 years.  However, later in the draft, that's not as much of a concern.

5) Jay Ross, NT, East Carolina.  Age at start of 2010 season: 22.

There's a lot of talk about Linval Joseph's rising status as a result of his (admittedly impressive) physical attributes, but as someone who has actually followed Conference USA football, Jay Ross is the better player to me.  A big nose who could potentially demand double teams, he has similar tackle for loss and sack numbers to Dan Williams...although obviously at a lower level of competition.  I think he made that line and Joseph is piggybacking on him to get up so early in the process.  

Other sleepers I like: the loser of the Dekoda Wadson/Rennie Curran contest for first mid-round 4-3 OLB, Mike Johnson, Zane Beadles (as a guard),  Danario Alexander, Perrish Cox if he checks out off the field, Donovan Warren, Myron Lewis (intentionally left him out of the top five so TexansDC can officially drive that bandwagon), Myron Rolle, Walter Thurmond III, the third wideout named Mike Williams (is the charm), Colin Peek, and Zoltan Mesko.

How about you BRB?  Who are your favorite sleeper picks?  I will also accept sleeper pics.  

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once again

rivers you fail to disappoint. Love the in depthness of your saturday draft picks

"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Apr 20, 2010 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Really...

bfd and I are driving the Myron Lewis bandwagon, and we don’t wanna turn around.

Warren’s MDC’s guy, but he’s gonna be a steal for someone in round 4 or 5.

Trevard Lindley is a 6th/7th round guy, but he has 1st round talent.

Alterraun Verner’s another guy who’s a sleeper at CB. Third Team All American with comparable numbers to Joe Haden (stats and measurement wise) with a 6th-7th round grade.

The CB depth is so nice, I’d love to see Houston double up with one of those guys and an early guy.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 20, 2010 2:51 PM CDT reply actions  

This is a nice job, Rivers...

You’ve got several guys that I have on my own sleeper list. Especially Ross (UH grad myself), Beadles, Selvie and Thurmond III. I like your whole list though and would be happy if the Texans tabbed any of them in the area you suggest.

One I have to add is Kavell Conner the OLB from Clemson. I think he would fit right in with the Texans’ LB group and could possibly be an upgrade at the WILL in the future. He was a leader on Clemson’s D and is a really speedy, good tackling LB. Would be great to start on ‘teams’ and eventually could challenge for snaps over either of the two WLBs the Texans have now. At minimum he’d be a good ST player and another young LB for depth.

Andre Johnson <<< BEAST >>> Houston Texans - #80

by BigRon on Apr 20, 2010 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Kavell Conner, eh?

I’ll have to remember that name. Sounds intriguing if he’s a speedy WLB.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 20, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kavell Conner

is probably at the very tip-top of my post-Round 3 list. I absolutely love that kid and I think he’d be an amazing upgrade over Diles.

" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown

by MDC on Apr 21, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

And of course...

Donovan Warren in round 4, right?

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 21, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not that early, no.

I love Donovan, and I think he’ll be a good player. That said, I’m only up for taking him at 4 if we’ve already snagged a CB, because even I am not willing to roll the dice that he is the answer.

" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown

by MDC on Apr 22, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good to see you posting here BR

I like Conner too. Guys with only 2 seasons experience who weren’t battling injuries concern me a bit, though.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 20, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was a HS RB

and a good one by most accounts. Projected as a safety in college. Added 15 lbs as a freshman and 30 lbs as a soph. As redshirt freshman, was backup to starting MLB. In his second year, he was the backup to the starting WLB. I think it was just a case of having to earn his spot, because as soon as he became the starter in his third season, he played very well.

" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown

by MDC on Apr 21, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I do not understand Myron Rolle being so lightly regarded (in general not by you)

I think he was great. He would be such a great fit for the Texans. He’s damn smart and a damn good football player

www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer

by UofTOrange on Apr 20, 2010 3:18 PM CDT reply actions  

It's an issue of dedication.

Teams want their picks to LOVE playing football. I can understand the reluctance, although I definitely think they are underrating him by a round or two.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 20, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its just silly to me

That wanting to set yourself up for a life AFTER football implies to people you don’t LOVE football.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Apr 20, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Think of it this way

There are a LOT of different terrific educational opportunities that he probably could’ve taken in the US that would’ve allowed him to continue playing football.

I’m not saying that he’s a bad teammate or has no dedication or whatever for crossing the pond for a once in a lifetime opportunity. But when someone picks education over football, I think it’s fair to question his dedication to the game a little.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 20, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to agree with nolander.

there is no an intelligent individual turns down a chance to receive an education from Oxford (one of the oldest, and most prestigious universities in the WORLD). Rivers in most cases i agree with you, but he was training over in England the entire time he was receiving said education. I would turn down millions of dollars for a chance to study in Oxford but maybe that is why i respect athletes who do set themselves up for post sports.

"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Apr 20, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm on nollies side in the argument.

I just can see why this matters in the mind of an NFL Personnel man.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 20, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

In fact can we draft myron Rolle

he would fit into the personalities ont he team and then we can say, WE HAVE A MOTHA FUCKIN RHODES SCHOLAR BEECHES!

"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Apr 21, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he can make an instant impact

He needs to get in “game” shape, but I do believe he’d be a good special teamer who could work his way up to a starting gig either as a SS or a Tampa-2 Weakside Linebacker.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 20, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

no FS?

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Apr 20, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

How can I

rec this 99999999999999999999X’s?

Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".

by Bobobigbro on Apr 20, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Personally

In the right round, I think he’s good value.

by JimboTexan on Apr 20, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get that they want someone that loves football

I just personally think that’s why NFL GMs make so many idiotic picks.

I know we’re not arguing here. Just saying that it is unbelievable that a guy that wanted to better himself for his own good as well as those of kids he thought (truthfully I hope) looked up to him.

The whole playing yourself into game shape is so overrated in my opinion. The guy is in great shape and looked good at the combine. It’s clearly an issue with a lot of guys because they don’t actually stay in shape. He sure as heck doesn’t seem to have that issue.

www.TheDreamShake.com Co-Founder and Writer

by UofTOrange on Apr 20, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe Ty.In

is right…..about a 2nd rounder.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 20, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love porn

That doesn’t mean I would be any good in one….no matter how enthusiastic I was about it. Although I have drawn an audience before.

I can understand wanting someone with the dedication necessary, but it’s a case by case thing. Without talking to the kid and people around him I don’t have any way of knowing.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Apr 21, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Different subject

Where is the best place for tickets, I’m looking to head up to D.C. for the game there this season since I’m living in North Carolina now.

by wkittinger on Apr 20, 2010 3:39 PM CDT reply actions  

I might do the same...

Waiting for the schedule to release and I may fly in to DC for that game.

by Jahon on Apr 20, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Visits/Workouts?

Does anyone have a list of players that we have brought in for visits and/or private workouts?

by Jahon on Apr 20, 2010 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Why has Kareem Jackson not been mentioned in this community??

I could be wrong here, but I dont recall ever seeing Kareem Jackson as a possible pick at 20. I dont know much about him scheme wise, but I do know he projected to go in the 20s and is a durable, run stopping CB. Not saying I think we should take him, but he is a CB so I wouldnt be surprised if we do take him.

Did I miss something on this kid or has he just been under the radar here?

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Apr 20, 2010 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Spencer Tillman

picked him at 20 for the mock draft performed by the mothership.

Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".

by Bobobigbro on Apr 20, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's a 2nd round guy

Complete reach at 20.

Personally, I wouldn’t want him. His name has been mentioned…but I’ll just throw up some reasons///

Doesn’t like to jam, doesn’t use his hands, doesn’t get off blocks, very inconsistent tackler, lack of plays on the ball at Alabama…

I’d prefer Javier Arenas (his teammate) to him, but I could see Reggie Wayne and Mike Sims-Walker pushing him around left and right.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 20, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correction

Should be a 2nd round guy. May go at 30 to Minnesota.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 20, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

We Love Us Some Kareem Jackson At BRB

Witness.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Apr 20, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

We drafted him in the second round for the SB Nation Mock

I said there “I wouldn’t be surprised if he was a candidate for the first pick.”

I also covered him in my first round and second round post. You’re just hard to please, Hoosier! Haha.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 20, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha I missed those posts you did...my bad

Ive been seeing Jackson going in the 1st in some mocks recently including Todd McShay’s where he has Jackson going 23rd.

I didnt know if he didnt fit our scheme or if he really isnt a 1st rounder. I’ll heed yall’s advice and agree that he’s a 2nd rounder.

To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.

by TexasHoosier on Apr 20, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think one of the reasons he's been rising is because he's "battle tested"

and played in Nick Saban’s defense. Yet everything I hear about Kareem Jackson is how he needs to work on his technique, which makes me wonder how much he actually learned under Nick Saban.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 21, 2010 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Charles Scott

He ‘s a big strong runner who has expression at both running back and fullback and he’s a unselfish player who could have come out last year but chose to come back for his senior season

by Draco on Apr 20, 2010 4:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Solid back

Not sure if he’s a total fit for the ZBS.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 20, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

He’s got nice upfield vision, but I have never seen him as a real good cutback runner. That said, he has nice size and good short-range speed, so if they really want a big back, you could certainly do worse in the 6th.

" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown

by MDC on Apr 21, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well

he is a true straight ahead runner not really a one cut and go guy but he could easily fill our big back role and even take over at fullback for Coke Machine in a few years. I would love to see him here as I am an LSU guy but you make a good point rivers.

by Draco on Apr 20, 2010 4:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Vonte

is currently looking for someone that goes by the name of Draco from LSU. He wants to discuss this thing you call “take over at fullback”. Vonte said the postion is his until he notifies you otherwise, in person.

Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".

by Bobobigbro on Apr 20, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've actually

Seen James Starks play. Granted, he was playing for Buffalo, but he was excellent in that context. Doesn’t matter since we’re picking up Mathews in the first though.

by JimboTexan on Apr 20, 2010 5:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Damn you!

I was just about to call it a day and then you had to go and say that. Thursday. Can’t. Get. Here. Soon. Enough!

Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".

by Bobobigbro on Apr 20, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

About Jay Ross

I’ve read that he’s not aiming to be a nose tackle. He has lost weight during this off season and I think he’s about 302 now and he was 330 at some point.

I love Dekoda Watson and i would love to see him next to Cush and Meco as our next WLB..

A WR sleeper to watch for with a ton of upside is: Seyi Ajirotutu, Fresno St. He’s 6-3 204 and Marty Schottenheimer raved about him, comparing him to Vincent Jackson and Malcom Floyd at the after the Shrine game.

Die hard Texan fan from the heart of Denmark!

by zala on Apr 20, 2010 10:36 PM CDT reply actions  

One other WR sleeper:

Donario Alexander, Mizzou. 6-5/215, he was originally ahead of Jeremy Maclin on the Tigers’ depth chart when they came to Columbia, but injuries derailed that. He’s still got great hands, runs nice routes, and is huge.

" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown

by MDC on Apr 21, 2010 8:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Agree on Selvie

…if he’s there in the 4th, there’s too much potential not to take him. Another sleeper I like is Vince Oghobaase, a DT from Duke. He has slipped from previous projections that had him going much earlier than the late round picks you see him projected at now. He’s another case of a guy with too much potential to pass on with a late pick.

by Loftin on Apr 21, 2010 12:29 PM CDT reply actions  

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