It's The Economy, Stupid!: One Final Argument Against Taking Ryan Mathews (Or Any RB) Early
by MDC on Apr 22, 2010 11:20 AM CDT
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PrintLet me say up front that I honestly do not think the Texans will take Ryan Mathews. Call me a subscriber to BFD's theory of a Mathews-related conspiracy, I guess, but it seems to me that any pro-Mathews talk that might trickle out of Reliant is more than likely leaked with some ulterior motive. That said, in the event that I am wrong -- and, really, what are the odds of THAT? -- I wanted to make one final argument against taking a running back in the first round (and, really, in the first four rounds).
First, some numbers. (Don't worry, Tim; I'll explain with words, too, so that you can understand what's up. There will not, however, be illustrations. So, if Vince Young is staring at his technamalogical box what connects to them there interwebz, he's kind of out of luck. Might I suggest this instead?)
| Pts/G | Plays | Yds/G | Yds/Pl | 1stD/G |
| 31.9 | 1,032 | 403.8 | 6.3 | 21.8 |
| 24.2 | 1,043 | 383.1 | 5.9 | 21.2 |
| Pts/G | Plays | Yds/G | Yds/Pl | 1stD/G |
| 28.9 | 1,047 | 410.7 | 6.3 | 22.1 |
| 22.9 | 1,019 | 382.1 | 6.0 | 21.2 |
More after the jump...
The first row of numbers in each of the tables above represents the NFL's best offense (in both cases, New Orleans) in 2009 and 2008, respectively. The second row of numbers represents the offense of your Houston Texans in the same season. There are a number of interesting nuggets buried in there (for example, New Orleans' Yds/G and total plays went down from '08 to '09, but their scoring increased), but I want to focus primarily on the Yds/G column.
In fact, let's throw in one more table for good measure:
| Year | Yds/G |
| 2009 | 403.8 |
| 2008 | 410.7 |
| 2007 | 411.2 |
| 2006 | 391.5 |
| 2005 | 387.0 |
| 2004 | 418.4 |
| 2003 | 393.4 |
| 2002 | 389.8 |
Those are, pretty obviously, the yards/game of the best offenses each season that the Houston Texans have fielded a team of professional football players (and David Carr). The average best offense during that span is 400.7 yards/game. So, what do we have?
In 2009, New Orleans had 20.7 more yards/game than did Houston.
In 2008, New Orleans had 28.6 more yards/game than did Houston.
Houston's most recent offense was only 17.9 yards/game worse than the average best offense in the NFL since 2002.
Houston's most recent offense was only 36.3 yards/game worse than the best single season offense since 2002 (which, somewhat oddly, was the Kansas City Chiefs in 2004.)
/kicking dead horse
I belabor the point of these differences in yards/game because I think it is important to look at potential draft choices in terms of what they are potentially worth to your team. (Think of it as an extension of D+ from this post.) Assuming we got a very good RB, the best-case scenario that you could reasonably expect is that he would improve our offense by about 36 yards/game. More likely, the improvement would be somewhat less than that number.
Perhaps the best way to look at the benefit a new RB would bring to this team is in economic terms -- what is Ryan Mathews' (or any RB's) marginal value? According to the Hidden Game of Football, Football Outsiders, and the like, it takes around 75 extra yards in a game to add an extra TD per game (I don't have an online cite for this, and my Hidden Game book is at home, but feel free to double-check me on the exact number). So, assuming a great back and our best-case scenario of 36 yards/game, you are talking about half a TD/game improvement (or, more accurately, about one extra TD every other game).
When you factor in the likely contract for the 20th pick -- 5-years, ~$15MM, $10MM guaranteed -- we actually have a very good example of the concept of diminishing marginal returns. For the non-econ types, DMR says that, where you have a system (say an NFL offense) with fixed inputs (say amount of minutes in a game) and variable inputs (talent of players individually), you reach a point beyond which each additional unit of the variable input (talent) will yield smaller and smaller increases in the output (yardage), which by extension means that each additional unit of output (yardage) is costing you more and more.
Now, the flipside of that 75 yards/game (or whatever the exact number is) is that preventing those yards will generally result in one less TD/game allowed. The Greatest Defense In Texans History(TM) allowed 324.9 yards/game; the league's best yards/game defense, the Jets, allowed 252.3. That's a difference of 72.6 yards/game. If we are giving the best-case scenario for Mathews of 36 yards, then it makes sense (somewhat) to say that the best-case scenario were we to draft an absolutely outstanding defensive player, would be an improvement of about 72 or 73 yards/game. (Not likely, I realize, but neither is Mathews' theoretical 36 yards/game). Given the same likely contract for the 20th pick, the best-case scenarios give you roughly twice as much output (yardage) for your dollar.
When you add to that the fact that The Greatest Defense In Texans History(TM) had some pretty obvious holes (and, based on the Zac Diles Fanboy Love of Kerns, et al, some less obvious ones), it seems reasonable to assume that plugging one of the defensive holes is more likely to yield a larger return than putting a new running back into one of the best passing offenses in football.
Besides, this whole analysis doesn't even factor in that last season, the league averaged more passing yards/game than in any season other than 1995. Theoretically, increasing the Texans' rushing total, to the extent it cut into the passing yards they would have had, would be handicapping them against opponents who are more than happy to take the passing yards. But that's a different post.
Do I think Ryan Mathews could be good in the Houston Texans' system? Sure. But not at that pricetag, and not when the money can be better spent on other positions.
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Zac Diles
Says to say hello to your wife.
by Mike Kerns on Apr 22, 2010 11:39 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
It's all about Cost/Benefit Analysis
Fantastic post, MDC.
Where do we stand to gain the most from upgrading? With Foster and Slaton, we already have two pretty solid guys in the backfield, and a 1200 yard rusher if healthy.
At CB, we have a 2nd year guy and Jacques Reeves, and the latter plays a much better man than zone coverage. Behind them is another 2nd year man, McCain.
If you expect your 1st round pick to step up and start, there also needs to be a clear improvement, or benefit, in this choice. To me, the ability to improve is far greater at CB than at RB.
Sadly, I’m not even going to bother bring up NT.
Thus, I believe we go CB in the 1st.
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It will be sad if Dan Williams is available and we skip on him. That’ll make me a sad panda.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 22, 2010 12:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
People keep saying to brace for Mathews
I’m bracing for passing on DWill.
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 22, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I want to forward a copy of that episode to Rapelesburger.
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by leacheatsbabies on Apr 22, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
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by nolander on Apr 22, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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is the essence of Bear sex lol
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by Jordann on Apr 22, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great writeup MDC
I fully agree with not taking RB with the 1st pick. A recent chronicle article (link escapes me, sorry) showed that over the last 10 years there is no statistically significant difference in career rushing or recieving yardage between 1st round RB’s and RB’s in rounds 2+. If our only glaring need was at RB, this may be justification to ignore the odds and go for a RB 1st, but considering our multiple needs on the defensive side of the ball we should wait until round 3 to pick the best RB available.
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by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 22, 2010 11:59 AM CDT reply actions
Looked for but could not find the link to article referenced in the above comment
Was in the Sunday 4/18 Chronicle written by Jeffrey Martin (don’t recall seeing any of his stuff in the past). He analyzed the career stats of RB’s taken in the first round since 2000 vs RB’s taken in rounds 2-7. The stats are practically a wash. Average 1st rounder was selected 17th, with career stats of 911 carries for 3,867 yards & 30 TD’s; 123 receptions for 1,067 & 3 TD’s. Average draft slot for all other RB’s is #104, or early in round 4. Stats: 739 – 3,235 & 22 TD’s + 122 – 1,000 & 4 TD’s receiving. The difference is minimal relative to the draft position.
This is a compelling argument why a mid to low 1st round pick should not be used on a RB. Wait till round 3 – 4 and find a Steve Slaton type instead.
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by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 22, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a fan of Diles either
in fact, I think drafting a WLB in the 4th (and before any RB) would make our linebacking core unstoppable.
1. CB/DT
2. DT/S
3. S/OL
4. OL/WLB
5. WLB/RB
6. RB/OL
7. OL/QB
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 22, 2010 12:11 PM CDT reply actions
Wow...
NFL Moneyball at its finest.
What an interesting, different, and great angle…not that I needed to be won over, but the evidence is staggering in the case of Mathews v. Logical Drafting.
It needs to be CB (Haden, Wilson, McCourty), DT (Williams), FS (Thomas?), or even a Wild Card (OLB Weatherspoon, C/G Pouncey)
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by TexansDC on Apr 22, 2010 12:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'ed
For actually understanding Moneyball. Yes, it’s a pet peeve.
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 22, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
You mean Moneyball isn’t where a team just tapes a bunch of cash to a ball and then chunks it at a certain player?
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
Better interpretation than Joe Morgan's
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by Autra on Apr 22, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would like it if they grabbed Pouncey.
I think Hardesty would be as effective as Mathews, and could be had in a reasonable spot later in the draft.
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IS Mathews with less college success..take him and for the love of god go DT/CB with the 20th
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 22, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
approve of economic approach
HOWEVAH, I think yards per game would go down with a better runningback. We had so many total yards last year precisely because we sucked so much.
The point of the game isn’t to accumulate the most yards possible, or even to accumulate more yards than the other team. It is to score more points than the other team.
You can do that by increasing the points you score or decreasing the points the other team scores. In the long run, I think we would be best served by taking the latter approach (although I have a soft spot for Pouncey).
by socctty on Apr 22, 2010 12:49 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Sucked so much at running the ball, that is.
There is an argument to be made about using the running game to restrict the available inputs for the other team (minutes), increasing your chances of winning the game. But I think a Guy like Pouncey plus Tate or Hardesty would be a better approach than Mathews and a mid-round guard.
by socctty on Apr 22, 2010 12:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If anybody can find a link, post it
A couple years ago, Football Outsiders had an article that, you don’t actually run the ball to win, you pass the ball to win. I’ve been wont to stick with that as an underlying leitmotif of our offensive strategy.
Plus, if you take a Pouncey, you improve more than one aspect of your team. Yes, a better RB may help you run and pass better, an upgrade on the line gives you a higher assurance.
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 22, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Its their first article, their reason for existing, and in the intro of every one of their books.
by socctty on Apr 22, 2010 12:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I've seen a number of sites make the claim that you pass to win...
I’d agree with it.
I mean…in 2009, 10 of the top 12 passing teams made the playoffs and 7 of the top 12 rushing teams didn’t.
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chicken or the egg
do you win because you’re running the ball? or are you running the ball because you’re winning?
I think cutblock had posted some stuff about this in another thread. I just don’t recall exactly which it was. . . .
by BattleRedFan on Apr 22, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Running yards and time of possession are quite clearly the egg.
Running the ball is important in order to set up play-action and keep the other team on their toes, but passing is by far the more efficient way to move the ball down the field – especially with Daniels/Johnson/Schaub/Walter.
The reason rushing yards are highly correlated with wins is because you run the ball with the lead in the second half, in order to milk the clock and reduce the opportunities the other team has to catch up.
I would just like to add
That you don’t have to put up great rushing numbers. All you have to do is run it well enough to keep defenses on their toes for play action to be effective. Your not going to completely fool NFL safeties (other than Busing) on a regular basis…but if you can make them hesitate for a split second you have done what you wanted.
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here you go, TexansDC
Well I only looked at 2009 so I don’t know if its an exception to the average or not, but….
Top 12 rushing teams from 2009? Jets, BESFs, Panthers, Dolphins, Ravens, Saints, Cowboys, Browns, Bengals, Jaguars, Chiefs, and Patriots.
Passing top 12? Texans, Colts, Pats, Saints, Chargers, Cowboys, Packers, Vikings, Steelers, Eagles, Giants, and Cardinals.
Half of the rushing top teams weren’t in the playoffs compared to 3 of the passing top 12 (who all just missed the playoffs). I’m a bit shocked by this number, but like I said….dunno if it’s been the norm or is an exception to the rule. Just something to chew on.
you’d gone and researched that part in the riverside chat topic here
So what you’re suggesting now is more than just a balanced offense .. we need a balanced TEAM. . .raise up the defense to be better than it currently is.
Makes sense =) I’m for it.
by BattleRedFan on Apr 22, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
It's all about SCORING my friends
Most of those top offensive teams score frequently through the passing game. We unfortunately don’t. It’s absolutely certain that we need a physical downhill running presence…just not at 20th overall when our defense has GLARING holes.
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 22, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Why don't we score more?
Cause Matt Schaub needs to add the “fade” touch to his arsenal.
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by TexansDC on Apr 22, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
THIS
This is the biggest problem we have in the red zone. It kills me watching him and AJ not being able to pull it off. If they get this one down, our offense would score every time we were in the red zone.
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Linkage
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/FO-basics is a basic run-down.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2003/establishment-clause is the specific article.
I've been trying to explain this to people
But to no avail, including Pancakes and Paul Kuharsky. We have a slightly above-average defense and a very good offense. It makes no sense to think that going from very good to even very, very good will have a bigger impact on our team than going from slightly above-average to above-average or even pretty good.
100% mathews
Kubiac values ball control way more than any of you guys seem to comprehend. It is vary simple. 4TH quarter versus Indy, we are up by 9 and have the ball with 10 minutes left…….Time for our first round rb, Mathews to pound the ball for 4 yards per carry and eat up the clock.Even if we dont score we eat up the clock just making 2 first downs. On the flip side our play action passing game will only get more dangerous. This pick will help our offense and our defense. It is a no brainer. I dont need offensive stats about how our offfense is already elite. Sure it is, now its time for the game to be over if we have a lead in the fourth quarter. If you guys ever pay attention to kubes play calling in the second half when we have a lead, you will understand there is a 80% chance this pick is mathews , and for good reason.
What also helps?
Not allowing the other team to score.
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Best defense in franchise history (EVAR!) = Most wins in franchise history
And we did it with an average, vanilla defense…imagine how awesome we’d be with a top 10, top 5 defense…
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by TexansDC on Apr 22, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think
A first round CB might encourage Bush to abandon the carpet zone. I date to dream.
We're 4th in 1st downs; 9th in TOP per game...
There’s really not much more improvement that could be done there.
It is vary simple way more than any of you guys seem to comprehend. We’ll never be up by 9 versus Indy if we don’t have the defense to stop them.
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by TexansDC on Apr 22, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
maybe, but wrong.
If anything, fumbles killed the offensive drives all year, and THAT would be the thing Kubes would want to correct most. If he could just trust the guys carrying the ball to hold onto it, we would’ve been in much better shape.
good try, though.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
I seem to remember
JAX running the ball all over our ass to finish off one game. I also remember VY running around on us along with CJ and winning the game. I also remember giving up something like 300+ fuggin yards to Paytong in the first half of one of those games. Also remember the same thing happened in Arizona in the first half. We are lucky timeran out in the SF game becasue if they had thrown that freakin pass over the middle again to their TE he would have had a 4th TD and we would have lost. I also remember the Dolphins coming back on our ass and we lucked out. We scored enough points to beat any team out there, we lost and almost lost most of our games becasue of defense and we also won some of them becasue of defense, Cincy being the first one to come to mind. Don’t give me this shit, how we don’t understand or can’t comprehend. I’m glad you dropped by to let us all know how it is. I’m gald you read Pancakes and the comicle for your sports information, I know they are hurting during these times so I’m sure they appreciate your support.
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WE NEED A ROOKIE CB..HE WILL STRIKE FEAR IN OUR ENEMYS SOULS,,HE WILL HAVE CHEETAH LEGS WHEN HE RUN, TIME WILL STAND STILL
Whoa there Trolly
We never said he was Patrick Willis.
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by TexansDC on Apr 22, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Right,
because the CB’s we already had strike fear in him. And that’s why we gave up 600 yards passing to him in 2 games. I think you would be surprised my friend how good the Texans could be if one of our CB could actually get an interception.
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80% mathews
so the only time in franchise history that we beat manning, ron dayne didnt go all heisman on their ass and keep manning off the field? Is that what your telling me? A running game keeps the other offense off the field-the BEST WAY to keep manning from scoring is to keep him off the field
Peighton had 200 yards passing
David Carr had 163 yards.
We had more total yards.
Which of these won us the game?
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You know what else would keep manning off the field...
being intercepted by a Joe Haden
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by Salad on Apr 22, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'ed for the AWESOME sig line
The comment helped, too.
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Retarded argument
The “keeping the other guy off the field argument” is fucking dumb. It’s about efficiency. See “Colts at DOLPHINS, 2009”: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009092100/2009/REG2/colts@dolphins
The reason this argument is dumb is because Manning taking the field again is inevitable. You gotta go Karl Rove on them – attack their strength. All the “keep him off the field” shit does is reduce variance – you’re still going to lose.
If you were wanting to really exploit the “keep him off the field” argument, then you’d aim for the best special teams unit – specifically kickoff unit – ever. And you’d do nothing but onside kicks. Good luck with that…
by socctty on Apr 22, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'ed for logic
I’ve missed you. Baby.
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by socctty on Apr 22, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was required
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Yes, ball control teams should just aim to bolster their
kickoff unit in hopes of recovering an onside everytime…
Steelers, Giants, Ravens, etc. do well in the playoffs almost every year because they play ball control i.e. “keep the other guy off the field” football. They have great defenses, consistent running games and average QBs.
and don’t use anything that Peyton Manning does as an example of broad football logic…they should’ve lost that game but he’s just THAT damn good.
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 22, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't say ball control wasn't important
and I quite clearly was being sarcastic when I made the “best kickoff unit ever” argument. Don’t be silly.
You’re right about what makes the Steelers, Giants, and Ravens good. What me, BFD, MDC, Rivers, et al are focusing on is the “great defense” part. Our defense fucking sucks right now; our argument is that the best way to improve the team is to improve the defense.
The Colts should have won that game, and they did – because they were more efficient at moving the ball and turning it into points. All the Dolphins did in that game is keep their margin of loss low. That game is a perfect example of why “run the ball to win” is a stupid argument, especially with the most recent rule changes.
All those teams had D's that could score, also.
Lest we forget that ours is not one of those.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Saints D had 9 TD’s this past year and look where that got them.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
Shit, I forgot.
Everybody knows Reggie is the reason they went to the SB. What was I thinking???
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
no $hit proffesor you fuking moron
but there is a huge differance between manning down by 9 with 3 minutes left and manning down by 9 after a passing 3 and out with 8 minutes left. that is not reducing variance,that is giving your team a better chance to win the game, you fucking idiot
Be fair, now
He also left the “c” out of fucking
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Huge difference?
Not really. 3 minutes is more than enough time for Peyton to score. I’d rather depend on my defense to, once again, stop him.
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by TexansDC on Apr 22, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do concur
I actually hope Mario/cushing/smith break five-heads face every game.. one day i will get my wish!
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And by rather...
you have to. Regardless. You beat Manning by stopping him. Not by keeping him off the field….that crap doesn’t work when he has the talent to score on one pass.
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3 minutes
so what is the 9 point play in football?
Peyton is that good
they give him 3 pt conversions after a touchdown… i mean the refs love him!!!!
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He can score in 1 play...
Onside kick? Fumble? Score again.
Keep him off the field all you want….when he’s on the field, he scores. The best counter? Is a good defense. How did New Orleans beat them? By keeping them off the field? Or by forcing a turnover?
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Apr 22, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
OR
The other team could have the Rosencopter at the helm. You can score 14-24 points in 3 minutes like that.
/sobs in corner
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
.when he’s on the field, he scores. The best counter? Is a good defense.
WTF???? i dont even…know..how to,………..so waste a first round pick on defense, even though there is nothing we can do to stop him,(your own words) then give him the ball back in 30 seconds because we have no running game?
by kmartinez on Apr 22, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm done arguing with you
You more effectively discredit your arguments than I ever could. You’re the Sage Rosenfels of arguing – I just need to step back and watch you burn like a greasefire.
NO ACTUALY
i think you just realized how retarded you sound
Go post on the Houston Chronicle message board...
Clearly, that’s where you belong by your eloquent posts.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I'll tell you what you don't know how to....type.
The argument is to improve the defense because it’s middle of the pack. It’s not that hard really…
Best defense in franchise history = Best record in franchise history
HOWEVER, the defense was average in comparison to the rest of the league whereas the offense was top 5/10 in a lot of areas.
It’s not wasting a 1st round pick when your defense isn’t as good as your offense.
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Not enough ellipses.
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I've got a fever...
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Settle down there, big fella
Cut out the personal attacks. It is the about the only thing not tolerated around BRB.
Soc never attacked you. He attacked your argument. There is a difference.
But hey, congrats on using the Reply button. It rocks tits, huh.
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by Shake on Apr 22, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Shake you suck
you panda fucker!!!
oh wait that is papabear… crap sorry shake…
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This ain’t nothing.
It's the DGDB&D equivalent of foreplay
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
Let me first edit what you said in order to make sure I understand you correctly:
“No shit, Professor You-Fucking-Moron
but there is a huge difference between Manning down by 9 with 3 minutes left, and Manning down by 9 after going 3 and out with 8 minutes left. That is not reducing variance, that is giving your team a better chance to win the game, you fucking idiot."
But neither of those scenarios happened, and at any rate, where does your “keep Manning off the field” approach work into this situation?
At any rate, if Manning (and his team) were down by nine with 3 minutes left, then it’s pretty unlikely that he and his team will come back; they would need two possessions. In this scenario, yes, running the ball in order to run out the amount of time on the clock, thereby reducing the chances that Manning and the Colts have enough time to score twice would be the correct strategy. But to start off a game, “keep Manning off the field” is a pretty fucking stupid strategy – because Manning will get the ball again. And then you’ll have to stop him from scoring.
It’s worth noting that it was 20-20, MIA ball, with 10:00 minutes left. They ran the ball, as you would suggest they do, and they wasted 6:10. And they got 3 points out of it.
Immediately afterwards, Manning and the Colts took the field, with 3:50 left.
Here’s where you and your stupid little mind should pay attention:
In 32 seconds Manning and the Colts scored 7 points. That is efficiency, my friend. That is why “keep Manning off the field” is a doomed strategy. That is why the Dolphins lost. They ended up having to abandon your strategy of running the ball, because the most efficient way for them to catch up and score was to pass the ball – and they were ill-equipped to do so.
by socctty on Apr 22, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah of course
i am talking about closing games,,im all for bombing away, hell it would probably work till the end of the game, the problem is kubes doesnt call plays like that, he tightens up with his play calling with a late lead, that is what he does. SO he needs a player that can get 3-4 yards when the other team knows were gunna run it. Mathews is the smartest pick in this draft because of many factors,,,,kubs play calling at the end of games being one of those, i think by saying with X minutes left that is implying the end of the game braniac.
Tag me in socctty!
Mathews is the smartest pick in this draft because of many factors,
And what are these factors that you speak of?
You’re correct about Kuniak tightening up his play calling with a late lead. But how sure are you that Mathews can get those 3-4 yards? Has it not occurred to you that the problem is within the interior offensive line?
No matter how talented or how strong a back is, if his offensive line can’t get a push. He’s not going anywhere.
sure our line needs a new center and guard
but one running back will improve the running game more than one lineman
How can one running back solve this problem?
Am I replying with incoherent sentences?
Im gonna try this again.
If your interior line can’t get a push, where would that running back go?
your aware
we are a zone blocking team right? we dont push, we create, if you dont have the vision to see the hole create from the backfield you will not be succesfull
you will all see i was right 8 months from now
Why do you keep dodging my questions?
So being a zone blocking doesn’t require the offensive line to push?
Do they use their minds to persuade to opposing defense to open up holes for the running back?
You can't have a hole...
if your linemen do not block. ZBS teams have to block. They don’t pull holes out of their ass.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Remember our line getting blown into the backfield against the jags? How about Arizona?
Come on man
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
What about solving the actual problem(s)?
Which are fumbling and interior line run blocking?
So, it’s possible that the smarter smartest pick is a G or C?
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
i wasnt aware chris meyers fumbled last season
i thought the line blocked and the running back ran the ball, what game were you watching,,,i though a undrafted rookie looked pretty damn good behind that line the last 2 games of the season, maybe foster was seeing holes better than slaton?
What about solving the actual problem(s)? Which are fumbling
and he is saying picking a running back would not affect this
You never mentioned X minutes left in the game in the beginning.
You argued for the “keep Manning off the field” approach. You never specified any time structure. Indeed, the test case amongst NFL fans (those that pay attention) was the IND-MIA game. It was a thorough rebuttal to that failed strategy.
At any rate, I will take apart your argument on those grounds, too. You’re arguing for a player that wouldn’t be of significance until late in a game. I would argue that an offensive lineman would be the better choice if your concerns had any basis (which they don’t).
You would rather forgo a player who would be of value THE ENTIRE GAME, whose value would be in HOLDING THE SCORE OF THE COLTS DOWN, in favor of a guy who – by your argument – would help keep Manning off the field IN THE UNLIKELY CIRCUMSTANCES that we happen to be ahead by MORE THAN ONE SCORE with less than 3 minutes left?
God, you’re horrible.
damn are you on medication or high?
so having him bust a few runs early wouldnt open up our play action pass and give dre an extra 2 steps on a safety?
I need to get high after conversing with you.
This is a different front you’re opening up. What do you want to discuss?
- “Keep Manning off the field”, as blown apart by the IND-MIA game?
- Running the ball in the unlikely scenario that we happen to have the lead (unlikely because we can’t stop him from scoring as it is)?
- The marginal gain provided by a moderately more talented RB?
It seems you’re moving on to a third “point”. You’re really telling me you think this is more valuable than shutting down Reggie Wayne with a CB, or shutting down Dallas Clark with a FS like Thomas? It’s more valuable than taking up two linemen so that Mario Williams and Brian Cushing can run unabated to the QB? It’s more valuable than putting pressure on Manning, making him make mistakes, throw into tighter windows and likely turning the ball over – into the hands of our offense?
You’re really telling me you think Ryan Mathews is that kind of player?
If you really do, then I can’t argue with you. But he’d have to be LaDainian Tomlinson II. I don’t think that’s the case.
sorry bro
your miami game yhou have such a bonner for isnt doing shit for me
The Tracy Porter INT in the Super Bowl doesn't do it for you?
The correlation between wins and passer rating doesn’t do it for you?
a rookie cb is not going to stop fucking peyton manning
sorry thats just the fact, you need revis, and two mario williams
Everyone is a rookie at some point.
We have to deal with Manning another 6 years.
Here’s the crux of the problem here: Mathews is only of value to us IF we happen to be leading the Colts late in the game.
The question is, how do we find ourselves ahead of the Colts late in a game? There are two ways: make our offense more efficient than their’s, or make our defense good enough to make their offense inefficient.
I think a CB or a S or a DT improves our defense more than Ryan Mathews improves our offense. And it appears every other person on this messageboard agrees.
Where do you think Revis came from?
The heavens? Newsflash. That’s Patrick Willis son.
You can’t expect a rookie CB to shutdown an Peyton Manning. But you develop him and let him learn the game.
So you’re meaning to tell me that a rookie CB can’t cover anybody but a rookie RB can run for 1400 yards and take a team to a superbowl?
Where is the logic son?
im saying a rookie cb wont stop manning
and a rookie rb will tear some teams up,
why not draft a franchise running back
and develop a 2nd round cb? im still hoping they trade down, pick up rb,dt,cb all in the second
Easy
9 2010 Pro Bowl CBs.
8 were 1st round draft picks.
Want an elite CB? You draft them in round 1.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Apr 22, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Your logic
Just gave me a raging clue.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Why waste a pick on a player
that will only last 8 years in the league when you can draft a defender that can last 10+ years in the league and be productive?
yeah because the 1
just happens to be the most yards we ever rushed for against indy
OK, ignore the vast number of games that refutes your point
and selectively choose the only game that can come close to “proving” your point. Did it occur to you that we may have lead the game in rushing because we were ahead, and in position to run the clock out?
You run the ball because you’re ahead. You don’t run the ball to get ahead. Read this and give me a two-page report on Monday: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2003/establishment-clause
Jeebus your missing the one valid argument you could make
You should be bringing up that long grind it on the ground drives help keep our defense fresh possibly making them more effective on defense. Even with that Socc is still right because a 13 minute drive that ends in a touchdown to start the first quarter hasn’t really done much to slow down manning If he guts you for a touchdown of his own. No one is saying we shouldn’t try and run the ball better. We’re saying that our offense can already hang with the best in the league. The defense can’t.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
by papabear on Apr 22, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
yeah im an idiot
wanted us to take a back a team traded up to 12 to take wtf was i thinking????
I'll refute this point easily
The Colts were dead last in rushing offense in 2009. Absolute worst rushing offense in the league. Probably outrushed in every single game.
The Colts were 14-2. The Colts won the AFC Title.
HERE IS THE KICKER!: The Colts outran the Saints 99-51 in the Super Bowl…and the SAINTS WON! HOLY SHIT! Why? They forced Manning to make mistakes and bad throws with (wait for it) DEFENSE! THEY WON WITH DEFENSE!!!!
Running doesn’t matter.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Apr 22, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
kicker
manning is thier qb !!!! you dont understand that,,,schaub is no manning
So Manning is their QB...
yet…..we need a rookie RB to stop him….EVEN THOUGH…..the RB can’t play defense….to stop Manning….
We see it with the Pats, Chargers, and Saints…you beat Manning by throwing off his timing (good pass rush) and capitilizing on those mistimed throws (good secondary).
"Lord, beer me strength."
i dont think the rookie cb we will be in position to draft
will be able to shut down anyone….did u see mathews run alll over wilsons ass in the boise game? he broke 2 40+ yard runs right over wilson…and yes for our system, i think he is the best back that has come along in two years ,,,for our team i think he could put up 1400 easy
I saw Wilson stumble as he was coming across the other part of the field.
Your knock on a CB is that he wasn’t in position to stop a RB play that went to the other side of the field?
no actualy mathews runs straight over #1
right into his lane and #1 takes a piss poor angle because he didnt want to get laid out
Wrong.
Donald Brown was a 1st round pick for Indianpolis last season. He also used a great OL to bully crap defenses in college…similar to Mathews. He also rose due to a great Combine and a need at RB for Indy (who were ready to give up on former 1st round RB Joseph Addai after about 3 years).
Like Houston is now, Indy was a dominant passing attack. Should’ve been easy to get 1,000 yards. Except Brown had about 250 yards for the 2009 season. This offseason? Indy is rebuilding its offensive line.
Lesson: 1st round RBs are not quick fixes. Even if you put them in a dominant passing offense.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Apr 22, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That decade long dominance had me fooled.
You’d figure those looser drafters would have a team that resembles Oakland.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Apr 22, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, now I know you're kidding
Good show, collect your prizes. Come back next week
Shit
Guys, I think you broke him.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
by nolander on Apr 22, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn
I just been kickin back laughin at this back and forth yall been havin but that is the craziest thing i have ever heard
If at first you don't succeed, draft, draft again
21 out of 22 starters on the Super Bowl runner-up were drafted by the team.
I almost feel sorry for the state we’ve put him in.
"damn are you on medication or high?"
that sounds kind of redundant to me.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
YEAH WHO NEEDS TO RUN THE BALL TO BEAT THE COLTS
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=3121 <——-AFTER THE ONLY FRANCHISE WIN OVER THE COLTS
Statistically significant?
Not even a little bit.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
I didn’t say you don’t need to run the ball to beat the Colts; I said it is not the optimal strategy. You said you needed to run the ball in order to keep Manning off of the field, which I pointed out was impossible. He will take the field, and since he and his passing attack are more efficient than running the ball – especially with Ron freakin’ Dayne – Manning and the Colts would win more often than not.
What’s my proof, other than the IND-MIA game? I’d cordially point out to you that we’ve also LOST 15 games to them. Mostly because we couldn’t stop Manning once he was on the field, which is the strategy me and my fellow thinkers are advocating we adopt.
Did your mom encase you in weak-sauce instead of placenta when you were in the womb?
so we won the last 3 years with our passing attack?
so we will be able to stop manning with the almighty rookie cornerback correct? is that what your suggesting?
That is exactly what I'm suggesting.
Surely he would still score, but I’m arguing that he would score less often, thereby accumulate less points, and put the ball in the hands of our powerful offense more often, thereby giving us more chances to score.
You see how this works? They score less points, we get the opportunity to score more points.
you do realize that
it just happens the most rushing yards we have ever had vs. the colts was our only win correct? thats just a coincidence right?
Actually
Yes, it is coincidence.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
cool
WE WANT CORNERBACK, WE WANT DEFENSIVE TACKLE, A ROOKIE CORNER WILL KEEP MANNING UP AT NIGHT!!!!!!! OUR NEW ROOKIE CORNER WILL HAVE GO GO GADGET ARMS AND CHEETAH LEGS
Rookie corners become veteran corners.
Darrelle Revis was a rookie once. Nnamdi Asomugha was a rookie once.
Rookie RBs become men who can’t walk after 10 years.
There was actually a Comicle stat...
that showed that there is no difference between a 1st round back and a 2nd-7th round back. The average back essentially has the same career.
There’s also the modern stat were only 3 rookie RBs out of 14 1st round RBs (in the past 3 years) have had 1,000 yard seasons. Thus, they don’t become quick fixes anymore.
"Lord, beer me strength."
damn
all this trolling is taking a toll on me
That's what sad.
He’s a shitty debater and a shitty troll, yet we still reply to him.
This draft needs to get here. Quick.
Well
You can’t just call out a troll for being a troll. We learned that earlier this week. So by that logic, you guys are doing alright.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Apr 22, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
2 of the 3 1st rounders
Which shows what kind of RB you should draft in round 1 – 3 down, special kind of guys…
Although…NEITHER OF THEM HAS WON A CONFERENCE TITLE! So what does it even matter?
"Lord, beer me strength."
Reggie Bush was a first rounder. Your beloved Ron Dayne was a first rounder.
Darrelle Revis was a first rounder. Nnamdi Asomugha was a first rounder. We can go on and on. Of course the cream of the crop are first rounders.
The argument is that a first-round CB helps your team more than a first-round RB, on average. We can pick outliers all day long.
Great article
Much better than my illogical reasons for not wanting mathews that include mostly superstitions and favorite numbers etc…
It's hard bein whimpy
by WhimpyJimmy on Apr 22, 2010 1:14 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
David carr is
only famous because he used to give zj’s to Eli Manning…
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
Yeah
but that is a downgrade.. I mean at least his last job was behind a Manning. not a QB that is seen as a huge bust
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
Darcy
Must really regret the impact this picture has on her google search results.
Am I the only one
…who thinks Darcy is kinda hot? In a total non-perv now that she’s all grown up kind of way.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Margret Cho
who thinks she kinda looks like Margret Cho
by ketchuppants7 on Apr 22, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
AND
She could kick your ass. If you’re into that sort of thing.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Just don't track down her email
and ask her to comment on her internet fame. Because she won’t. Trust me.
" I'm hung over, my knees are killin' me, and if you're going to pull this shit, at least you could've said you were from the Yankees."
--Jake Taylor
by MDC on Apr 22, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd
And it’s really her loss, since I was going to pay for the t-shirt you would send her.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
do you think
we could get her for my famous internet people porno?
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
I'm pissed she never agreed
That would’ve so kicked ass.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
I wonder if Darcy Maeda
ended up having a better NFL career then Carr
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 22, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
funny thing
I read this post in my micro economics class…. i am so effin tired of marginal product lol Good post though
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
Micro sucks
Macro’s the shiznit.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
by bigfatdrunk on Apr 22, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
agreed. Macro was much more fun for me
That’s probably because my macro professor taught everything in terms of cases of beer or jugs of wine and/or we might have gotten drunk before class occasionally.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Oh I found that out this semester,
I should have taken macro.. but its K i have a B in the class!!
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
B's get degrees
And, they still allow for a significant amount of time to drink/fuck-off/etc.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Aint that the truth
Currently in Astronomy talking about the possibility of being in a infinite/finite universe
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
Ask your professor to flip a coin, forever determining which type of universe it is
They just love it when you participate in class like that.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
He is comparing
the distance and speed of stars moving away from us to raisins raisin bread
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
wetherspoon
It would be awesome if we drafted him…We would pretty much instantly have the #1 rated line backing crew in the nfl , and i think that alone would boost our defense to top 10, then throw in a #2 cb #3 rb #4 defensive tackle # 5-6 offensive line and another #6 cb…..im not man crushing on mathews, i just think its probably gunna be the smartest pick unless haden, thomas, wilson are there, we can find a great c.b. in round 2…….do you guys not trust smith and kubes? the last 3 drafts have shown without a doubt these guys dont miss that often, we arent the fukn raiders, we can draft….HOLLY $HIT that pic just popped up,SAVED
So only draft Mathews...
If there’s not a bunch of other more talented, better fitting players available?
Check.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Apr 22, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
You are going to bring trust of the GM and head coach into this discussion? Smith and Kubiak are not bulletproof. It’s why there are discussions about Okoye being a bust and how Duane Brown won’t make it as a LT. While those players have time to prove otherwise, it’s fine to question their selections.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 22, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Well that's got my vote
Let’s draft Ron Dayne!
Jacoby is my ghostwriter.
by Salad on Apr 22, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
okoye isnt a bust, he is showing 2nd round talent and still yound…..who says brown is a bust? hi isnt a top 10 tackle, but guess what einstien , he was taken at 26, he is solid for his draft position. ….so your going to bash the guys that flipped a roster 90% in 3 years and drafted…..cushing , barwin, quinn, mccain, caldwell, hill, and casey last year? seriously? last 3 years we are a top 10 team in drafting, im not saying they are never wrong, thats not the nature of the draft, but they certainly know way more than you and me. Dude you should realy get a job as a NFL g.m. since your so much smarter than the guys that make their living from the NFL.
It's my life goal to become a NFL GM
However, I would not say that I am smarter than most of the GMs already. But when I make it as a NFL GM, then I will be smarter than ALL OF THEM. That’s when I turn on God mode and will own the draft.
Mwahaahaaa!
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 22, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
YOU'RE ARGUING ABOUT A PICK THEY HAVEN'T EVEN MADE YET!!!!
Jesus Harold Christ on a cracker!
YOU said they’d take Mathews, and we were stupid for not trusting in them. Is anyone else catching this???
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
I thought the H
stood for “Huxtable.” I mean, Jesus WAS black.
" I'm hung over, my knees are killin' me, and if you're going to pull this shit, at least you could've said you were from the Yankees."
--Jake Taylor
When you say "WAS"
Do you mean in the Michael Jackson sense of the word?
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Jesus wasn't black
he was olive toned, and probably looked more like
than
No disrespect to the Gman
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
EDIT J-MAN
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
Speaking of race...
I read that Toby Gerhart feels discriminated against as a white running back…
Jacoby is my ghostwriter.
read that too
says if he was black he would be a 1st rd
by ketchuppants7 on Apr 22, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Yahoo!
I was under the impression that <insert Yahoo! staff writer’s name here> was the one who made the “If he was black he’d be Jesus—I mean, a first round pick” claim. I heard someone make the same case for Shipley.
(BTW, just messed with the “strike” key for like 5 minutes. Being retarded sucks.)
by BrownCrayon on Apr 22, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I honestly don't know if I've seen such bipolar funny/not funny comments in one thread
This one kicked ass.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
Click on "reply"
It will blow your fuggin mind.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
by Shake on Apr 22, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
more talented than mathews? you do realize most have him ranked as the #8-15 most talented player in the draft right?
Most had...
Ryan Leaf as the #2 most talented player in the draft.
Doesn’t make it right.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Some thought he was better than Peyton Manning
I think about the days when the Colts could have had Ryan Leaf…
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 22, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I did
….but that’s mainly just because I had already established a deep hatred for Manning for some reason. Probably the five-head. I WANTED Leaf to be better.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Like this, Autra?
…
Damn!
" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown
by MDC on Apr 22, 2010 1:59 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I Endorse This Post
Not that I was particularly hard to convince, though.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
Ah, so where are the sheep?
Is he saying BRB are a bunch of sheep or that draft “expers” are a bunch of sheep? He must mean BRB because every draft “expert” out there can’t get enough of Ryan Mathews. I wonder how much time they spent watching game tape instead of the tape of him running around in his underwear.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 22, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't you know
If you’re not reel sure of what you’re talking about just call people sheeple in a condescending tone and act all superior and shit because you know stuff.
No offense K-Mart….that’s just usually what is going on when people bust out the sheep comment.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
How come everybody who like mathews
Is really angry at the same time?
It's hard bein whimpy
by WhimpyJimmy on Apr 22, 2010 2:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
and please dont go by cbs sports or some dumb $hit like that, look at the people with actual nfl experience and knowledge,..im going to bed
STOP POSTING IN DIFFERENT THREADS
Jeebus. And you still haven’t explained who the hell you’re talking about.
If it’s Mathews, we’re not saying he sucks, we’re saying it’d be idiotic for us to draft an RB in the first round.
by Karsh on Apr 22, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Kmartinez
has a bad attitude… I am going to trade him to the Falcons or the Cowgirls for a 3rd rnder… one team loves “personalities” the other likes to give us good players and take our used condoms.
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
BANHAMMER THE REPLY FAIL BURN THE WITCH
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
by nolander on Apr 22, 2010 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Wasn't kmartinez
A wr on the texans for a little bit?
It's hard bein whimpy
by WhimpyJimmy on Apr 22, 2010 2:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Glenn Martinez
and he’s our best special team player..followed closely by Kevin Bentley,
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 22, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
BURN HER
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Wait....first we have to check something...
Does she weigh more than a duck?
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
She turned me into a newt...
I got better.
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
by Taco Joe on Apr 22, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
NO MORE OF YOUR LIP
Funny story though, I played Rugby for a year and have STILL never been to a frat party. Ever. I don’t even regret it.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
There's nothing wrong with Frat parties
As long as you don’t fall for the brainwashing. Free booze and ridiculously drunk sorority chicks were always good times for me.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
WTF does any of this have to do with healthcare?
I mean seriously.
Wait…..
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
ok, for those of us who suck at economics
If we’re almost set at the price tag given ($15 mil, $10 mil guaranteed), it would be better to spend that on a defender where, according to this very wordy article, would be worth more bang for our buck than a HB?
If so, why couldn’t you keep it that simple?
Because without the wordy article
there is no supporting evidence.
Also, I don’t do “simple.” Concise ain’t my bag, baby.
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I miss the Rivers sig, already, MDC
J, it’d be necessary to do a cost/benefit analysis on the positions. You could rank by injury, need, etc. Since I don’t know these things off the top of my head, I don’t know. Considering your average RB only lasts four years, and only about 2 to 2 1/2 of those are at a peak level, RB is normally not the best high dollar investment. You save those for the Earls and the likes.
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You're right to assume that the price is more or less set
Although I’m not sure that’s exactly what it will be. Anyway, that’s a good operating assumption.
One fundamental truth in economics is that you make decisions at the margins – this means in terms of one additional item – in this case, one additional player.
You want to see what is greater – the benefit from adding a RB of Mathews abilities, or a CB of Kyle Wilson’s abilities, or whoever else you want to throw in there. You can approach this different ways from this point, but I would compare the best two CBs and 1 RB we can put on the field currently, and then see who improves that set the most – someone like Joe Haden or Kyle Wilson, or a RB like Mathews?
I think Mathews is a good player, but I think Wilson/Haden/Thomas would improve the team more than Mathews would. It sounds fancy, but you’re really just asking “who would improve the team more?”
Ryan Mathews
I love all the highlights ESPN shows of this guy tearing up the bone crushing defense of the University of Wyoming. Clearly Fresno States O-Line dominates all the WAC d lines, so we why don’t we work on the inside of our line to open up the holes for a running back before we worry about getting that stud RB that we possibly already have if slaton heals up good and can hold the ball.
by wkittinger on Apr 22, 2010 3:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't think those of us poo-pooing picking Mathews hate the guy
or think he isn’t skilled. We just don’t think he’s the best way to improve the team. I’m certain that he would improve the team, and if we draft him I will welcome him. But he doesn’t improve the team as much as Wilson or Thomas or Haden would, we feel.
Agree
Totally, I would let anyone who was even in the talk of being drafted in the first round of the draft knock up the ole lady in a heartbeat, just so I can get some good genes going in the family. But clearly he is a good athlete, but I think our 1st pick would be better spent of defense.
As the head Mathews-basher...
I agree. I don’t think any RB in round 1 is the best move for the team.
That said…I still think Mathews in round 1 is driven up by need rather than his talents (no 2 down RB who can’t be a returner should be a 1st rounder, IMO). In this scenario, I agree with Mel Kiper Jr (who has him rated 4th in the RB class).
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I think people saying he has to be off of the field for 3rd down may be mistaken. Slaton is probably the better receiving back, but I just don’t think Mathews was asked very often to catch the ball.
I don’t see how Mathews can be that much worse at pass protection than Slaton. He’s probably a 3-down back, to the extent that such things still exist.
The stat that is revealing to me is the career receptions
19 for Mathews and 103 for other Fresno State RBs in that time frame. The gap is too wide for me to think he wasn’t asked to do it. If he had the talent then they would’ve thrown to him.
His blocking…is nothing special. He’ll throw his body at the guy…sometimes he’ll get it, sometimes he won’t.
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Can't do it...
I don’t think anyone keeps that detailed of a college football stats.
I can tell you he’s 0-1 in career passing however.
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Great write up MDC
Im only a fan of taking Mathews if the board sucks when we get to 20. If you want an example, look at Pancakes’ mock draft. He’s got Thomas, Wilson, Williams, Pouncey, Iupati, Haden, and Spiller gone at 20. That doesnt leave us with many other options besides Mathews if we cant trade down. If any of those players I named are available, I want them over Mathews.
As for your write up…dont teams win with points and not yards? The Texans’ biggest struggles the last few years have been scoring, especially in the red zone. Im not saying Mathews will drastically help our scoring, but just because we put up yards doesnt mean our offense is amazing. The point differentials between us and the Saints is the biggest difference in those stats. That is why the Saints won the Super Bowl and we missed the playoffs. Good job not talking at all about the most obvious and most important stats you threw up there, POINTS!
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One more piece of evidence against Mathews
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 22, 2010 3:12 PM CDT reply actions
Trent Dilfer & Bernard Berrian seems to be the most impactful
Fresno State grads of ALL TIME…
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 22, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Logan Mankins is really good
Clearly we should draft nothing but Mississippi Valley St. players.
Whoa, I said this flippantly thinking Jerry Rice was the only MVSU player ever drafted. Deacon Jones went there too! Everyone else is a nobody, but to have two of the greatest to ever play their position… well-done MVSU!
I'm so old...
I saw him block a FG attempt in the Dome.
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I think this post
….is in desperate need of a graph. preferably with bright perty colors.
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I would not have understood any of this....
If it were not for the fact that I am taking economics this year!!! Good job MDC, great one.
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in dallas
At the airport. About to fly back to the motherland. Drinking. Starting to get a little faded. 2 hours away. So nervous, I have the BGs. The bubble guts…. please Durga, give us ET.
by Da babyfacedassassin Meco on Apr 22, 2010 4:30 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
make sure to take a shower when you get ho,
Need to make sure you get that Southern Oklahoma smell off.
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"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
seriously
Isn’t dallas so terrible? I feel dirty everytime I have to be around all the chodes that populate the area….
by Da babyfacedassassin Meco on Apr 22, 2010 4:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Couldn't agree more
and Rec’d
(and i’m not one of those people that says “rec’d” without actually rec’ing)
I'm the Dallas airport too
In the bathroom with some chick wearing a big Ben jersey
by AllenOU on Apr 22, 2010 4:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I saw some lady dragging her kids around at the dentist the other day.
One was wearing a Rapeslisberger jersey. I wonder if she knows…
Still no way w take Mathews
Its obviously smoke and mirrors. They’re experts… EXPERTS at using the media to give misinformation. That sure would explain a lot anyways…
Funny Mock Draft stuff
They drafted: Las Vegas, Chickapedia.com, The Sopranos… good stuff!
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/04/game_time_if_you_want_to_hear.php#more
David Anderson trade up ahead of Richard Justice
Drafts the Chronicle and then fires him.
To be replaced by Andre Johnson’s mom.
Just epic.
Diddnt really read the whole post but
a RB in the first round with no lineman no matter what the scheme is a bad idea imo. With that said i think we need to get our D-Line solidified(finally) or address our secondary. and if the Texans dont go that way i hope they at least get a beast O-lineman. we have more important needs then picking up an overrated RB imo.
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No
his mock is not too bad…
Kareem Jackson at 17 is a dumb fuck pick though.
Almost as if he were trying to make amends with Houston by screwing over San Francisco.
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The mock draft that confused me the most was nfl.com's.
DE in the 1st for the Texans? srsly?
I don't think anybody here is arguing in favor of drafting Matthews.
Change it to O-line, however, and you might get somebody (read: me) to bite.
Question though: how is this team going to turn those yards into points by drafting defense? Nobody is denying that we move the ball well between the 20s. But they’re still not elite when it comes to putting points on the board. And as it stands, the offense is going to be more or less the same as last year, aside from a (potentially) healthy OD and Brisiel (oh joy).
Is Schaub going to improve? That would be tough. AJ? By all accounts, he’s at his prime. Will they be more or less successful with a new offensive coordinator? Are Caldwell or Studdard legit NFL players? Aside from Duane Brown and possibly Slaton, I don’t see much potential for growth from within when it comes to the offense.
On the other hand, the defense is incredibly young and going into their second off-season and season under the same defensive coordinator. Mario, Okoye, DeMeco, Pollard, Cushing, and Quin all have tons of room for improvement. There’s even the chance of somebody like Molden finally getting onto the field and contributing.
There are a couple holes on defense no doubt, but as a whole, the unit strikes me as much more talented than the offense. The offense has only produced more up to this point because Kubiak really gets the most out of those players.
Gah. I wish I could just fast-forward a few hours so we can put an end to all of this speculation.
we almost have to go defense though. we got peighton twice a year to worry about
Texans fan and Proud.
We lost 20-17 to the Colts the first time around last year.
So instead of trying to slow down an offense that really hasn’t been slowed down very often over the past decade, I say we try to score more than twenty points against a team that still gets gashed by the run.
wtf was i thinking???
taking a back a team traded up to 12 to get…….im such a fukn idiot
Maybe you were thinking you should post this comment twice?
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