Pre-Day 3 Thread

by riversmccown on Apr 24, 2010 7:00 AM CDT

Hi kids, Tim brought it Thursday, Kernsie came in Friday, and I'm out of the pen to close out the draft. Probably with very few of you since the NFL decided to put this as abysmally early as possible. My plan right now is to either put up a new thread each round or to go 4th/5th and 6th/7th, depending on how fast we are flying. We've got 6 glorious picks today thanks to the trade downs, at least until Smithiak makes more trades, and we are fourth up at the start of things:

Round 4-4 (102)

Round 4-20 (118)

Round 5-13 (144)

Round 6-18 (187)

Round 6-28 (197)

Round 7-20 (227)

Behind the jump, I've put together my initial tiers for the day, which I will copy straight from texanphil's glorious site, for discussion with the 3 of you who will watch the whole day with me. These are spaced in talent groups, and weighted towards the Texans needs. To explain the missing numbers, my mock hasn't picked a running back yet. And yes, there are PLENTY of tight ends available.

1. Akwasi Owusu-Ansah - (22%) - CB - Indiana (PA) Move up/down Remove

2. Cam Thomas - (28%) - DT - North Carolina Move up/down Remove

3. Mitch Petrus - (17%) - OG - Arkansas Move up/down Remove

4. Mardy Gilyard - (6%) - WR - Cincinnati Move up/down Remove

6. Geno Atkins - (11%) - DT - Georgia Move up/down Remove

7. Arthur Jones - (11%) - DT - Syracuse Move up/down Remove

8. Bruce Campbell - (17%) - OT - Maryland Move up/down Remove

9. Donovan Warren - (22%) - CB - Michigan Move up/down Remove

10. Dominique Franks - (28%) - CB - Oklahoma Move up/down Remove

11. Reshad Jones - (11%) - SS - Georgia Move up/down Remove

12. Everson Griffen - (6%) - DE - Southern California Move up/down Remove

13. Aaron Hernandez - (6%) - TE - Florida Move up/down Remove

14. Anthony McCoy - (6%) - TE - Southern California Move up/down Remove

15. Austen Lane - (6%) - DE - Murray State Move up/down Remove

17. Dezmon Briscoe - (6%) - WR - Kansas Move up/down Remove

18. Myron Rolle - (11%) - SS - Florida State Move up/down Remove

19. Eric Norwood - (17%) - OLB - South Carolina Move up/down Remove

20. Corey Wootton - (6%) - DE - Northwestern Move up/down Remove

21. Jay Ross - (6%) - DT - East Carolina Move up/down Remove

22. Jason Fox - (6%) - OT - Miami (Fla.) Move up/down Remove

23. Dorin Dickerson - (6%) - TE - Pittsburgh Move up/down Remove

24. Mike Williams - (6%) - WR - Syracuse Move up/down Remove

25. Matt Tennant - (11%) - C - Boston College Move up/down Remove

26. George Selvie - (6%) - DE - South Florida Move up/down Remove

27. Selvish Capers - (6%) - OT - West Virginia Move up/down Remove

28. Dekoda Watson - (11%) - OLB - Florida State Move up/down Remove

29. Kavell Conner - (6%) - OLB - Clemson Move up/down Remove

30. Perrish Cox - (11%) - CB - Oklahoma State Move up/down Remove

31. Walter Thurmond - (6%) - CB - Oregon Move up/down Remove

33. Darrell Stuckey - (6%) - SS - Kansas Move up/down Remove

34. Robert Johnson - (6%) - FS - Utah Move up/down Remove

35. Greg Hardy - (6%) - DE - Mississippi Move up/down Remove

36. O'Brien Schofield - (6%) - OLB - Wisconsin Move up/down Remove

37. Riley Cooper - (6%) - WR - Florida Move up/down Remove

38. Tony Pike - (6%) - QB - Cincinnati Move up/down Remove

39. Dan LeFevour - (6%) - QB - Central Michigan Move up/down Remove

40. Patrick Stoudamire - (6%) - CB - Western Illinois Move up/down Remove

41. Jeff Byers - (6%) - C - Southern California Move up/down Remove

42. Colin Peek - (6%) - TE - Alabama Move up/down Remove

43. Danario Alexander - (6%) - WR - Missouri Move up/down Remove

44. Jeremy Williams - (6%) - WR - Tulane Move up/down Remove

45. Vince Oghobaase - (6%) - DT - Duke Move up/down Remove

46. Syd'Quan Thompson - (11%) - CB - California Move up/down Remove

47. Jonathan Crompton - (6%) - QB - Tennessee Move up/down Remove

48. Zoltan Mesko - (6%) - P - Michigan Move up/down Remove

49. Marshall Newhouse - (6%) - OG - TCU Move up/down Remove

50. Brandon Carter - (17%) - OG - Texas Tech Move up/down Remove

51. Sergio Render - (6%) - OG - Virginia Tech Move up/down Remove

52. Kevin Matthews - (6%) - C - Texas A&M Move up/down Remove

53. John Conner - (6%) - FB - Kentucky Move up/down Remove

54. Jamar Chaney - (6%) - ILB - Mississippi State Move up/down Remove

55. Al Woods - (6%) - DT - LSU Move up/down Remove

56. Jeff Owens - (6%) - DT - Georgia Move up/down Remove

57. Roddrick Muckelroy - (11%) - OLB - Texas Move up/down Remove

58. Trevard Lindley - (11%) - CB - Kentucky Move up/down Remove

59. Larry Asante - (11%) - SS - Nebraska Move up/down Remove

60. Kam Chancellor - (17%) - FS - Virginia Tech Move up/down Remove

61. John Skelton - (6%) - QB - Fordham Move up/down Remove

62. Michael Hoomanawanui - (6%) - TE - Illinois Move up/down Remove

63. Rashawn Jackson - (6%) - FB - Virginia Move up/down Remove

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Not the biggest need...

but putting Eric Norwood at weak side linebacker could be interesting…that would be a linebacker core that would bring the hurt!

by cb3 on Apr 24, 2010 7:40 AM CDT reply actions

I worry about his skills in coverage

He brings a lot to the table but we might need a linebacker that better complements what we already have.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 24, 2010 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions

So Rivers

who do you think we target in the fourth?

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 24, 2010 7:49 AM CDT reply actions

I think we pick Petrus if he's there

And follow that up with best available cornerback.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 24, 2010 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions

Would that be a depth corner?

or a corner who potentially pushes Quin to FS?

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 24, 2010 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions

To me

It’s the corner that pushes Bennett off the roster.

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by riversmccown on Apr 24, 2010 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions

If they go with a FS like Robert Johnson

I would not complain.

I understand your thoughts about Bennett. I tend to think the coaches want to give him another chance to hang on. Just a thought.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Apr 24, 2010 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions

I've been in Bennett's corner the whole time

I just think he’s been doghoused to the point that you go get a new dog…or gamecock, rather.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 24, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions

I think Johnson is definitely in the discussion

If Johnson is better than the best available corner, I’d go Johnson. However, with Warren, Franks, and AOA still available, this will be a fun fourth round.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 24, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions

Didn't Johnson visit with the team?

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by Mike Kerns on Apr 24, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions

Petrus would be a good pick, maybe project player Bruce Campbell

Frankly, I haven’t seen much of Bruce Campbell, but there must be something on tape that the teams see that turns them off. The guy is a 300+ lineman with speed. I would think someone would take a chance on him.

I could see the Texans adding some depth at DT with a guy like Arthur Jones of Syracuse.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Apr 24, 2010 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions

According to Mayock

His tape is underwhelming.

There’s definitely a reason he’s still on the board.

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by riversmccown on Apr 24, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions

I think the Texans worked him out

So, they already know what they will be doing. Can’t wait to see.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Apr 24, 2010 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions

I forgot about that visit

Would you like to see them develop Campbell for a year, then play him at LT and move Brown to LG?

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 24, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions

Based on what we have seen with him falling to round 4

I’m going to say that he is probably merely a workout warrior and his workouts did not impress any team to take him over what they saw on tape and in his personal workouts. He has to be missing something from his game. I would have to vote no on that. But, if someone likes him in the 4th round, that’s probably a good place to take him if it is a place that you need depth and have a couple picks in that round.

I am wishy-washy on this. Could go either way. I will root for him if the Texans take him. If they don’t, it’s on to the next guy they like.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Apr 24, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions

Maybe Campbell could be converted to a blocking TE?

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Apr 24, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions

It's kind of why I am high on Petrus

because he is raw and will most likely sit the bench his first year, which I would prefer. But he has the ability to be something good.

Also, I am not sure that Kubiak is ready to give up on Brown. He needs to do something about Brown because his progress has been slow.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 24, 2010 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions

I agree that we should go Petrus first

grab depth at OG who can develop for a season.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 24, 2010 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions

Don't worry dirt turkey. I'll be here to console you when we pick up 4 TE's for the rest of our draft.

I’ll be here to console you when we pick up 4 TE’s for the rest of our draft

by b0ng on Apr 24, 2010 7:49 AM CDT via mobile reply actions

Is that a song?

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Apr 24, 2010 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions

Out of all the analysts I saw the last two days, I thought Mike Lombardi was pretty good

I’m not really up on all those guys, so I could be speaking out of turn. First time really watching any of them. That’s the truth.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Apr 24, 2010 8:04 AM CDT reply actions

He's alright

I don’t have anything against him. I am starting to be turned off by Marshall Faulk. He knows running backs, but that’s about it, which is surprising because Deion Sanders seems very well rounded. Jamie Dukes can be annoying but then other times, he can be spot on.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 24, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions

Jamie Dukes, ditto on that

He says some stupid things sometimes.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Apr 24, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions

NFL Network trading out Mayock for Mack Brown

Is like the Astros DL’ing Lance Berkman and putting in Geoff Blum

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 24, 2010 8:11 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

by MadMartygan on Apr 24, 2010 8:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions

Can you blame them though?

Mayock couldn’t even speak by the end of the night.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 24, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions

I'm not saying it's the wrong move based on what they have on hand

I’m just saying it’s sad.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 24, 2010 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions

Ah yes

Mayock is the best of the draft “experts”. He actually watches film and tries to get better at it. I don’t know who else they have though who would be informative or at least entertaining to replace Mayock.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 24, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions

By the way

Anyone who puts “Ray Rave” or “Pro Bowl” on the back of a hooded sweatshirt is asking to be punched in the back of the head.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 24, 2010 8:13 AM CDT reply actions

Just a question.

Haven’t had Internet for a little while now, and it’s kind of hard to do research on an iPhone. Why had Everson Griffin fallen so far?

by MadMartygan on Apr 24, 2010 8:14 AM CDT via mobile reply actions

No particular reason

Underachiever, hadn’t started till last year, inconsistent motor. Among others.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 24, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions

I like how all the guys that fall, well except for guys like Colt McCoy..

say that they will play with a chip on their shoulder next season. Ha! The team would be pretty disappointed if they didn’t play like that!

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Apr 24, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions

Did you hear what Mays said about Carroll?

Sorry Mays, but he’s not a FS like Thomas.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 24, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions

John Henderson is apparently available

Unfortunately since he can’t be easily blocked by one person, he’s not a candidate to become a Texans DT.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 24, 2010 8:18 AM CDT reply actions

Would they even trade him to us?

But remember Rivers, Henderson does play UT.

/haha oh Bryan

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 24, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions

Between Smith, Alualu, and Knighton

And their other backups, they have enough on hand now.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 24, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions

I guess if they are desperate to get rid of him

then great. I would give them a fifth (because of his age)

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 24, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions

I’ve always loved Big Hen. Those YouTube clips of him, making the 140 pound trainer slap him in the face to get fired up, are fantastic.

by MadMartygan on Apr 24, 2010 8:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions

I'm thinking

In this round (4th) that we end up going double O-lineman. Just because

by b0ng on Apr 24, 2010 8:25 AM CDT reply actions

Also

I respect the hell out of Myron Rolle, but I don’t want him on my football team unless he’s teaching them ethics. Is that wrong? I don’t think so.

by b0ng on Apr 24, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions

Rolle

I think he could be a lot better than most people seem to think…and as you know, we don’t have to worry about something being too complicated for the guy.

by cb3 on Apr 24, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions

Herm Edwards

just gave us the best draft grade through 3 rounds on ESPN.

by leacheatsbabies on Apr 24, 2010 8:28 AM CDT reply actions

I think it's Seattle right now.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 24, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions

no no its Denver

trading down twice then up to pick up Tim Tebow about 40 spots before he would of been of picked..

the vision is astounding..

by leacheatsbabies on Apr 24, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions

I don’t know how I feel about that.

by MadMartygan on Apr 24, 2010 8:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions

Herm knows secondary

and that’s about it. So he must like the Kareem Jackson choice a lot.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 24, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions

Mack Brown's 5 minute rant on preparing players for the draft

Just explained to me Sergio Kindle’s narcolepsy.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 24, 2010 8:33 AM CDT reply actions

I don’t know man. I suddenly got the urge to sign a letter of intent.

by MadMartygan on Apr 24, 2010 8:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions

I think we go

OT and FS with our two 4th round picks

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Apr 24, 2010 8:41 AM CDT reply actions

Good ol' Perrish Cox from Baylor

Poor Jimbo, he’s gonna be sad to hear that.

New open thread up. Move it there.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 24, 2010 8:45 AM CDT reply actions

omg..I believe Dale Robertson of the Comicle just referenced..

WEIGHTSPEED

“At the combine, Tate posted a so-called "speed score" — which adjusts a player’s 40-yard-dash time for his weight — that was superior (114.2) to those of higher picks Ryan Matthews (111.2), Jahvid Best (111.2) and C.J. Spiller (107.5).”