Better Know A Texans Draftee: Garrett Graham
"So God created tight ends in his own image, in the image of God he created him; blocking and catching he created them. God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the Texans roster and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the linebacking corps and the birds of the secondary and over every living creature that moves on the line of scrimmage." Then God said, "I give you every spot on the face of the roster and every play-action route that calls for you to run a short out. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the line of scrimmage and all the birds of the secondary and all the backs that move on the ground--everything that has the breath of life in it--I give them to you so that you may succeed. Unless you are Anthony Hill, destined to be stricken by serious disease and injury at every turn.." And it was so. God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day."
KUBIAK 1:27-31
Figured I'd get the joke wheel started for you.
Clearly, this is an unpopular pick for a number of reasons. First of all, like the Texans' third round pick, it hints at uncertainty with a player who fans have become accustomed to expecting to see on the field. It came on the heels of trading down, and was a draft pick at a position where it was thought the talent level currently on the roster was perfectly fine. Lastly, if we just drafted two tight ends last year, why are Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith so eager to go right back there in what was regarded as a deep tight end class despite several perceived (unaddressed if you are a realist) holes? A tight end class that was so deep that the Texans' seventh round pick was thought by many to be a candidate for a second day pick?
So come with me and play Devil's Advocate, expand your horizons, and...make more tight end jokes.
What actually struck me about this pick, draft value aside, is how similar it seems to be to the Wade Smith signing. At offensive guard and tight end, the Texans weathered a ton of injuries last year and often were forced into using replacement level players and packages they weren't as comfortable with simply because there weren't enough healthy parts. Coming into the offseason, both positions had younger players who were coming off mediocre or worse debuts (Kasey Studdard, James Casey), and players returning from injury (Hill, Owen Daniels, Mike Brisiel, possibly Chester Pitts). Smith and Kubiak signed a guard, and later drafted a guard, and then drafted two tight ends (don't buy the "Dorin Dickerson as a wideout" propaganda, kids). This would be an extreme example of what we call "playing it safe". The Texans concluded that they had problems at these spots last year, and instead of seeing if the injury bug would clear up, they aggressively attacked both positions in the offseason to fortify them. Personally, I think this is a little bit of an overreaction. Which isn't to say that injuries are completely random, but the odds that all four of our tight ends would be injured at some point in the season seems to be a fluke to me. At any rate, this tells me that the Texans thought that weak depth at those positions killed them last year, and whether you agree with that or not, I think at least you can appreciate the strategy involved.
I would compare the pick itself to the Antoine Caldwell selection last year. The difference in postdraft hype being that everyone in the world thought the Texans needed a long-term center and thought Caldwell would be there instead of at guard, whereas everyone knows that Graham is a tight end. Like Caldwell, he'll probably start off, barring setbacks or further injury, behind Joel Dreessen and Daniels on the depth chart. Like Caldwell, the Texans have a long-term franchise piece on the verge of free agency in front of him on the depth chart (Pitts for guard, Daniels for tight end).
As far as the player, I simply can't speculate too much on Graham's overall value, having never watched him in college. I'm not a huge fan of college football in the first place, seeing as how my college isn't one of those fabled institutions that were good enough in the past to warrant being allowed to be in the BCS in a rare good year. When I do watch it, I'm certainly not paying attention to the Big 10. I don't get much out of a few Youtube highlights that somebody dug up out of the aether. Great, you caught a player's best moments, but what does that really tell you about him as a player? Highlights are not hard to create if you have talent. Consistency is what you're looking for. And when it comes down to a tight end's value as a blocker, which is, in my mind, CRUCIAL for evaluating Graham, you have mixed reviews. If he's a good blocker (CBSSports notes that he is good blocking off motion, a key factor for Texans tight ends) you have someone who can probably come and be the second tight end right away. If he's not, then he's probably going to be a third tight end for most of the year barring injury. Statistically, the Badgers were ranked 15th in the nation in rushing yards, and it's fair to assume that Graham's blocking was a fair part of that as someone who mostly played H-back. If you want a totally optimistic view of him from someone who has watched him play, my best recommendation would be Matt Waldman's post on the New York Times football blog.
As a receiver, Graham's statistical profile is pretty solid. 1,492 yards and 16 touchdowns in his final three years after mostly being irrelevant as a freshman. Lots of higher ranked or similarly ranked players had better statistics, but most of them played in high-powered pass offenses, whereas Wisconsin is generally the type of team that runs the ball down your throat. Graham was their leading receiver as a junior and their second leading receiver as a senior, missing the top by just three catches. I would doubt that he'll become an every week fantasy tight end somewhere down the line, but I would've said the same thing about Owen Daniels coming out, as he had much more pedestrian receiving numbers (852, 8) in college.
Frankly, from everything I've read, he seems to be a schematic fit. He has typical Texans qualities (team captain, works hard, hits weight room, in with a current Texan) and no concerning injury history. Daniels is in his last year of RFA, barring more salary cap shenanigans in bargaining sessions; the team didn't suffer much of an offensive dropoff when Dreessen was starting; and Daniels is just going to take one step closer to 30 this season. Dreessen is nearing the wall himself. Anthony Hill showed nothing last year and I, like Tim, would not be surprised if he was a total non-factor this season. Graham is a strike at trying to find long-term consistency at a position that is very much up in the air with Daniels and Dreessen heading to their 30s and free agency. I consider Graham a low-floor guy, someone who could be a second tight end ala Dreessen for many years even if he doesn't improve at all. And If his blocking is anything close to the optimistic side of the scouting reports, I think we could have a real equation changer here.
At least until we pick a TE in the first round of the 2011 draft.
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I remember watching a Wisconsin game last year...
I mean, flipping through the channels, I accidentally stumbled on a Wisconsin game and they were raving about the pro potential of this TE, and they even threw up a comparison to OD. I remember thinking, wow this guy is good.
Too bad we have 8 on our roster already, and don’t need a pass catching TE.
I want THOR to succeed, I really do. Maybe like Big Frank, there’s a reason Kubiak puts the 22 on the field that he does.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
James Casey....
I’m normally drunk or working during Texans games so i don’t watch as closely as everyone here, but why did we decide that Casey can’t be our TE? Was it because he didn’t show it on the field or because he didn’t get a shot and we trust that the coaching staff/
he played fullback/h-back/some tight end last year
because of injuries to Leach, OD, Dreesen, Hill. He can’t block as a TE. I think they saw him as being an insurance policy for OD as a pass-catching TE but they saw this Graham guy and shot their wad because he can block and be a good recieving tight end.
Hill, Casey, Dreesen..one of them have to be gone.
But then again when you have the Texans braintrust saying things like “you can never enough Tight Ends”…who the hell knows?
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 27, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't Casey fill that role too?
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 27, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Mostly
It was because he missed a ton of blocks last year. To the point where they had to run away from the tight end most of the time.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Apr 28, 2010 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Why shouldn't
I believe that Dickerson won’t be a wideout?
Should I also not believe the McMannis to stay CB stuff?
by b0ng on Apr 27, 2010 1:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed
This notion that somehow Kubiak isn’t serious about Dickerson being a wideout is silly. First of all, Kubiak always tells it exactly like it is. He doesn’t mess around and that’s just another thing to love about him. When he first came here and said he was going to play Charles Spencer at left tackle and Eric Winston on the right, when every draft expert out there said Winston was left tackle and Spencer was a guard, I thought he either misspoke or was trying to keep Winston from a contract holdout (because Winston was projected late first round but fell to the third).
If that’s not enough, of course he’s a wideout, just look at him… You can’t be 6’1 and play Tight End (he’s only slighly over 6’1). They just don’t exist.
by SpecialKCL66 on Apr 27, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah..too undersized and too fast to be a tight end
Kubes and Co. really drive home the point of his outstanding vertical jump…jump balls in the endzone anyone?
Maybe we’ll finally add the FADE to our arsenal.
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 27, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not like AJ isn't perfect for the fade
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Really?
Are you making that up or is there something to it? How can someone not throw the fade…
by SpecialKCL66 on Apr 27, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you watched many Texans games over the last 2 years?
They try to throw the fade every third game or so from what I remember, and when they do it is just not a pretty thing to behold.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
^ This
Schaub’s fade lacks touch. It’s flat…it’s ugly….and it’s definitely a weakness.
"Lord, beer me strength."
The fade is a hell of a lot harder than it looks
It always makes the highlights when it works because it looks purty….but plenty of QB’s/WR’s have trouble getting it down.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Oh definitely
Such an appreciation for it, but if Schaub worked on it…added it…then the Texans red zone offense becomes scary.
"Lord, beer me strength."
well regardless of how "hard" it is
Schaub, being a pro-bowl NFL quarterback, can throw the fade. We just haven’t tried it enough and when we do we haven’t executed it well enough (be it on the receiver or on teh Schaub).
I don’t think Kubes likes run it in the redzone. He likes to instead lose yardage by handing it off the Chris Brown. But Schaub and AJ have great chemistry and their both (Schaub especially) very meticulous players. They work together alot in the offseason. Don’t tell me they can’t run the fade.
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 27, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
The fade is an inherently hard pass
No great shame in not throwing it perfectly all the time. It’s got to be high enough to clear the DB and his leap, but low enough to give the WR enough time and space to collect the ball in-bounds with two feet in. All that and it’s got to be thrown at the right time, since the speed of the throw is more or less restricted by the required arc of the throw.
I think the timing element of this sort of throw is under-appreciated. That being said, of course Schaub and AJ could use some extra curricular practice on this.
The reason you don't see many fade routes
Is because we run a West Coast Offense, and as such the “fade” route is usually relegated to a QB read or designated adjustment for particular defensive looks.
The West coast offense is all about precise routes on short/medium range throws through windows in the line as they open. The fade is a quick, over the top throw relying on a physical mismatch between the reciever and defender, you just don’t see that in west coast offenses much unless they’re exploiting particular mismatches. And yea Andre Johnson is a freak, but he’s always defended by the other team’s best defender and usually has safety help his way as well.
Usually when you see the fade in this offense is when the defense shows single coverage on Andre Johnson and the FS shows man coverage… but since that hardly ever happens, you hardly ever see the fade route in this offense.
While we do run a West Coast
It’s not a true WC. That WC was built on Bill Walsh’s idea that the short pass opens the run which opens the deep pass. We’re in Shanahan’s WC idea that the run opens the pass via play action.
That little bit aside, it’s true. We don’t tend to throw a lot of fades (thank Durga cause my eyes couldn’t take that brutal fade all the time).
That said, it would be nice if we could pull it off in the red zone. Oh, tis but a dream….
"Lord, beer me strength."
If Schuaby ever gets it down
We can just put Dickerson on the other side of the field from AJ and throw the fade to whoever is single covered. Oh tis but a dream…
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I will so tell you they can't run the fade
Its been proven every time they have tried it in a game situation.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
For those who want some more fade route info
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Apr 27, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
awesome! thank you for the link
=) it was a good video to watch
by BattleRedFan on Apr 27, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually no I haven't. I've been in North Carolina
We didn’t get games up there so I only watched about 2 total the last 2 years.
by SpecialKCL66 on Apr 27, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm doing Dickerson tomorrow
So I’ll go into it.
It’s just my own personal theory though, so don’t think I have inside sources or anything.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Apr 28, 2010 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Wait???
Rivers are you sure Dickerson isn’t doing you??? I am pretty sure he would be the top and you the bottom sir… ok now that the childish gay joke is over with… personal theory should be good enough for now. and as for inside source, I am sure him being inside you would be enough…. ok it was just there.
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Go Texans!
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by riversmccown on Apr 28, 2010 5:51 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
he called me and wanted to know
if he wore a ben tate jersey can he take topppppppppp
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Go Texans!
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by riversmccown on Apr 28, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kerns seams like a bottom
lol…
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Go Texans!
As much as i would have preffered to go with another position
I can understand why they took this kid. We only have one healthy TE right now. Sure, they are all expected to be healthy by training camp, but so were Barbaro, Joppru, Dominick whatever his name is now, and plenty of others. I know the chances of all 3 TE’s having some kind of setback are rare, but it’s not a bad idea. If Owen Daniels comes back and has a monster year he could take the Texans out of their comfort zone in free agency. If he comes back and is never the same…well then we have another candidate to fill that hole.
One problem was that after OD went down last year they didn’t have as much trust in the other TE’s. That led to Walter going in motion and then blocking in a role that Owen normally would. While Walter is a very good blocking WR he is a piss poor bloking TE and I think having to take on some of those blocking duties hurt his production last year.
Like I said I am not crazy about taking a TE here, but I do like everything I have heard about the player.
I’m also confused on why we shouldn’t believe Dickerson as a Wideout? The coach said it. The general manager said it. He’s roughly the same size as AJ, who they said they are going to have him back up and learn under as a project. What evidence is there that he won’t be a WR?
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Why Dickerson is so elite as a 7th round selection...
That’s just it, and nobody is catching on. In the seventh round, the Texans pick up a guy they can place on the roster as a WR, which means they free up a slot for an extra TE, even though in most schemes and packages Dickerson will run in the TE route. Dickerson is the James Casey pick of last season, just way deeper in the draft.
He is a Marques Colston-type guy, except he can do other things well, too. The key to it all is that now, if someone goes down, we have a guy somewhere who can slide over, shift over, fill in, etc. We’re not going to be stuck scanning the FA pool for a mediocre talent just because we have a need.
What does that do? It lets Smithiak scan the FA pool for a guy whom we may not “need”, but a guy like Pollard who has a sky-high motor and a sky-high ceiling. Guys like Pollard get cut all the time because they don’t fit a new scheme being run, or because the team thinks they aren’t performing as they should (disgruntled perhaps). If Houston can become the place where disgruntled players find their place, then you know what, I’m all for the ultimate strategy.
We’re supposed to be in the hunt for Darren Sharper, even if only just barely. That is one sick possibility. Absolutely MIND-BLOWING. No wait…I predicted the FS FA focus, didn’t I? haha.
Anywho…Seriously though, I love the draft we had. Guys that can fill in where we need them to fill in. No, we didn’t get the space-clogger DT, but I honestly don’t believe that’s our goal or our focus.
If we sign either Alan Faneca or Darren Sharper (Oh DURGA LET IT BE HAD!) I’m going to say unequivocally that this Texans team takes the next step of evolution again and goes to the playoffs. And NOT as a Wild Card team.
The TEs weren’t grabs or reaches. They were what we needed to protect Schaub and allow him more targets to eat alive these high-caliber defenses. How can you question Kubiak when he runs a top 3 offense? That’s just asenine!
I've heard the whispers about Sharper too..
..and will be sacrificing everything possible to Durga for this to come to pass. Sharper and Bonecrusher? Sounds like a match made in DB heaven.
by Superdave532 on Apr 27, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
From the BRB Glossary
Durga – A Hindu goddess to whom Texans fans pray for good luck.
"Lord, beer me strength."
" If Houston can become the place where disgruntled players find their place, then you know what, I’m all for the ultimate strategy." – Not Happening – not even close. Those guys either go to Dallas or Cincy.
“Anywho…Seriously though, I love the draft we had. Guys that can fill in where we need them to fill in. No, we didn’t get the space-clogger DT, but I honestly don’t believe that’s our goal or our focus.” – The draft did not go well. We replaced Dunta’s position – hopefully he will be better but you never know. If he’s on the same par then you haven’t done anything except pick up another Okoye clone. Does this make the D better? NO.
“If we sign either Alan Faneca or Darren Sharper (Oh DURGA LET IT BE HAD!) I’m going to say unequivocally that this Texans team takes the next step of evolution again and goes to the playoffs. And NOT as a Wild Card team.” – Don’t believe the Sharper deal will happen and signing Faneca won’t make the D better which is what we really needed to do. We were 1-5 in our divison last year and Faneca won’t be the deciding factor in us winning the division this year.
“The TEs weren’t grabs or reaches. They were what we needed to protect Schaub and allow him more targets to eat alive these high-caliber defenses. How can you question Kubiak when he runs a top 3 offense? That’s just asenine!” – Wrong. You actually need a LT that can handle the DE in your division. You need a center who doesn’t tackle your RB. You don’t need that from Studdard either or the guy who pees his pants. The TE were reaches. Tate was the best pick up on O and Jackson filled a need at CB becasue w/o one we wouldn’t even be close to being able to compete. No decent olineman drafted. No DT was selected that can control the line. The RB was good and Dickerson might be a good pick up in the 7th and Holiday might have been an ok pickup in the 6th. But to me it seems like we made stupid trades and collected draft picks instead of using them to get actual impact players. Most people on here will argue the d needed the upgrade moreso than than the O but it seems like we got one decent player for each and that’s about it. To me this draft should have been more about quality than quantity.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
Yay...I get to...
Destroy your idiotic arguments with reason and facts!!!
1) Disgruntled players go wherever they are treated best, which is not always salary. There is a difference between disgruntled players and divas…divas go to Dallas, disgruntled players go to the Pats.
2) How many division games did we lose by a touchdown or less? Enough to split our division last season. An O-lineman who can block enough to get us one freakin’ yard is enough to get us more freakin’ wins is enough to get us a division championship, cuz Indy won’t be NEARLY as good this season.
3) You don’t know how good Shelley Smith WILL be, you assume he sucks because you want him to suck. You want impact players? How do you know who is an impact player? Was Brady an impact player in the 7th round? What about Marques Colston? I mean, you’re being dumb by shrugging them off because they don’t have the “appearance” of an impact player.
4) There was no question four, but you need to hear this loud and clear:
The Texans F.O. knows a crapload more than you. Sorry, it’s true. It had to be said. You come across as knowing more than me…and I KNOW I’m an arrogant S.O.B.
Agree with arrogant SOB
but that’s about it.
1. Disgruntled players do not go to the Texans. Can’t argue with that.
2. Jax beat us with MJD running the clock out. VY and CJ ran all around us and beat us in the second game. CJ ran all over us in the first game and Vodka fumbled – only reason we had one divisional win. Colts threw for over 300 yards in the first half on us. No one could cover Clark – we were man handled. Mathis and Freeny own us. We could not get to Gerrard at all during the JAX game. Every year people say Indy won’t be as good this season – still hasn’t happened – they own us, like it o not.
3. You’re right, I don’t know. You are wrong in that I want him to suck. I want it to work out as best as possible. I want all of the picks to work out as best as possible. The Brady vs Shelley is an argument of weak analogy. You can’t compare an OG with a QB and it’s probably a safe bet to say Shelley won’t end up any where near Brady after their careers are over. Brady was taken as a “shot in the dark” in the 7th not as the end all be all starting QB. They didn’t need a starting QB so it was ok that he was a project. We NEED quality caliber o-lineman which we really don’t have. We needed impact players at impact positions to get over the “hump” and by adding 4 TE’s for depth I just don’t think they made the best moves to make the team that much better. I would have rather had quality instead of quantity.
4. There was a question 4. “How can you question Kubiak when he runs a top 3 offense?” – Simple – he drafted TE’s when according to you we have a top “#3 offense” I question that and I have every right to. The middle of the pac D is what was not really addressed and I question that.
Hear this loud and clear – The front office does know more than I do and I’m not claiming that they don’t but at the same time I am allowed to question their moves and motives and not just go blindly with them. And throwing it back at you, how do you know how good I would be, you assume I suck becasue you want me to suck (that just doesn’t sound right). I also like to think that my 25 years of playing and waching football taught me a little something along the way.
In the end, I hope you are right.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
You can't question top 3 offense...
When we had the top 3 NFL Offense. Now that was just dumb.
And yes, you have years of experience…on a level equivalent with peewee and/or high school football, I’m sure.
1. No, they don’t currently, but Pollard did, and it has to start somewhere. Players started going to the Patriots because the organization began taking care of their players. In the early 90’s, the Pats were NOT the team to go to if you wanted to win a SuperBowl. Funny how that turned out…once the right coach got into the system and changed things. We now have players at least considering Houston, legitemately as a place to call “home”. That says something about growth in the organization.
2. What part of losing do you not follow? It doesn’t matter HOW you lose, but that you lost, right? Well, if we score on those plays close to the goal line, when we couldn’t before, then we win. Our defense held the teams we needed to post week 4. So your argument is ridiculous and stupid. We don’t have to sack the QB every play to be elite. Look at the Pats. I DARE you to go compare their sack totals last season to ours. It’s not as far off as you think. Oh…and by the way…look at weeks 5-17 Houston versus Patriots total yards allowed. You tell me who has the better defense.
3. You sure act like you want him to fail. You claim he isn’t what we need, but how do you know he isn’t? How do you know that by bringing in what Okoye was supposed to be, we don’t solve the problem on the line. You stated it as FACT that he isn’t. I’m saying he might very well be. It also starts with the offense, and has been the biggest argument since day one of season 5 of the Houston Texans existence. Our biggest problem wasn’t about getting to the quarterback or stopping the run at the line. Our biggest problem was how long our defense was on the field. Once we began to change the time of possession, we began to notice our defense was better than everyone thought. With an offense that can eat up clock, and I believe the TE plethora helps that more than a run-clogging DT who can’t stop Peyton Manning when he’s having a field day with our defense…that our defense gets rest. Our defense gets to be fresh when they are back on the field. Guess what a run-clogging DT isn’t late in games? Fresh…ever. Big guys get winded. You don’t get a team full of impact players either. It’s impossible. The Colts entire roster aren’t impact players, and you know it. You have the RIGHT impact players, and I believe we do.
4. Like I said before…we WERE a top 3 offense. You can question him all day long, and you have, but please give him a break. He’s finally got the team going a good direction and you’re acting like “my God, he’s fucking mentally challenged for taking TEs” when truthfully, you have no clue. You can question him, but just be more reasonable about it. Saying a guy is a bust before even giving him an effing chance isn’t fair to the guy.
5. The D after week 4 was one of the top rated D’s in the league. Go to http://profootballreference.com and check. The proof is in the yards, bud. And the yards don’t lie. (I checked this like a hawk last season, and it’s interesting how those first 4 weeks KILLED our averages…because we ROCKED after that).
And yes, i am an arrogant S.O.B., but ya love me for it. I can take it and love to give it back (and am glad you do too :P). I just get annoyed by the consistent naysayers who nitpick every f’in little piece of the puzzle. Just cuz you don’t get it doesn’t mean the coaching staff doesn’t. That’s really all I’m saying.
Actually, I want you to be successful. I like everyone to be so. I just question the mentality of the ones who challenge the concept of taking two TEs. It doesn’t have to make sense to you. It really, really doesn’t. Lol.
Cuz I realize I'm lazy...
Thus I’ll assume it’ll be more beneficial to prove with numbers instead of just letting you do all the work, I submit for you viewing pleasure the following Team Defense numbers:
Patriots Defense
Total Yards allowed (Whole season): 5123
Yards Per Play allowed: 5.4
Turnovers Forced: 28
Completions Pass: 300
Attempts Pass: 512
Yards Total Passing: 3355
Passing TDs: 25
Interceptions: 18
Net Yards Per Attempt: 6.2
Rushing Attempts: 398
Yards Allowed Rush: 1768
Touchdowns Allowed: 6
Yards per attempt: 4.4
Texans Defense:
Total Yards Allowed: 5198
Yard per Play: 5.3
Turnovers Forced: 27
Completions Pass: 344
Attempts Pass: 548
Yards Passing Total: 3487
Passing TDs: 19
Interceptions: 14
Net Yards Per Attempt: 6.0
Rushing Attempts: 396
Rushing Yards Allowed: 1711
Touchdowns Allowed: 17
Yards Per Attempt: 4.8
Now, you will notice that really, our defense is NOT that different from theirs. We’re a little better in passing, they are better in rushing (but let’s face it, not as much as you all think!!!). Add to that the first four weeks skewed our entire season, and our defense looks even, I dare say, SUPERIOR to theirs. Especially if you take out their blowout of the Tits.
I will admit the number of rushing TDs is intriguing, but you can’t just automatically attribute that to bad rush defense because of not having a run-clogging DT. After all, once the 4th week passed, we had an average of less than 100 rushing yards per game allowed. That’s a pretty solid statistic when you think about it.
Really, all I’m trying to say is that maybe instead of saying our defense rush-wise, sucked, we should look at actual numbers compared with the rest of the league. Hell, we had a better rush defense than most of the league. We were ranked 10th in total rushing yards allowed. 10th!!!
We were better than most thought. We’ll be even better still this year.
We're superior...
cause you cherry picked. Take out the 1st 4 weeks, take out their blowout game….
And worst of all, the Pats weren’t even that great.
And we were tied for 11th in rush defense. That’s still giving up 100+ yards a game. Which, of course, we did in 5 out of 6 divisional games.
"Lord, beer me strength."
So did the Colts...
Go check the numbers. So did the Titans. So did the Jags.
Ever consider it won’t matter HOW good the rush defense is when you face top-tier rushers twice a season every season? You can’t cherry pick. I didn’t. Those numbers are full season, including the 4 crap weeks. All I’m saying is…if you DO take out the first four weeks, when the defense clearly turned the corner, they were WAAAAY better.
Sorry BigBro
I’m going to have to go with Fuzion on this one. Another observation not tied to any stats, when the bengales had the opportunity to chose their first round matchup the did not want to play the Texans again. I would imagine that they had a reason based on some kind of football knowlege!
You kinda proved my point though
You said it doesn’t matter how good the rush defense is when you face top-tier rushers twice a season.
So we improved against lesser competition…but that won’t matter when we’re not facing doormats this season. So our defense needs to improve against the better rushers….the ones we can’t stop…..like the ones in our division.
Johnson did have 4 games under 100 yards. So it is possible to slow down elite runners. If you have a good defense.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I did to an extent...
However, and I’m gonna look into this…I’m curious how much the LBs on those other teams make the stops versus the D-Line.
i wasn’t so much arguing YOUR point, TDC, to clarify. Just noting that our defense was still better than most even with those skewed games.
I just had to jump in on this and point something out
Limiting yards is nice but defense is judged on sacks, takeaways, and, most importantly, points allowed. The defense doesn’t have playmakers.
That division losing streak? 3 of those games…the defense gave up over 100 yards rushing. Tennessee killed us for over 200 yards rushing. We may have rocked against Oakland and Seattle and St. Louis, but in the division…we suck.
2 of the teams in our division are based on the run. The other? We play a TD tossing robot. We’ll never win the division unless we can play defense….heck, the time the Tits won the South was because they could play defense against Indy. Everything goes back to defense here.
"Lord, beer me strength."
That's what I'm saying...
We were better against both the run AND pass than anybody seems to realize. If we can improve on stopping the rushing TDs and giving up simple mistake TDs (which we will) then we’ll be even better.
Our defense was NOT bad. Hell, our defense was top 10ish. Top 10 in defense across the board is solid, but we were better than top ten against the pass.
This whole concept of a hole-happy zone is hard to buy when the defense pass-wise is so solid, and then coming up against the rush they were NOT bad.
We had as many turnovers forced as the Pats minus one. So really, THAT argument doesn’t hold weight. It doesn’t matter HOW you get the turnovers, you just have to get them, right?
We will be better against the rush. We were better against the rush after week 4. Week 4 was the point when the scheme opened up more.
That one is false.
10th in rush defense (tied for 10th if you wanna get technical)
18th in pass defense
25h in sacks
14th in passer rating against
20th in INTs
And the better part….we’re playing better teams in 2010 than 2009.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Now you've opened up a can of worms...
Since the Colts are in our division, and went 14-2, we’ll consider them a benchmark for winning. Therefore, either they have a hell of an offense(obvious) or a hell of a defense(hah).
Colts Defense Stats:
307 Points Allowed (Houston Allowed 333)
5427 Total Yards Allowed (Houston Allowed 5198)
1084 Total Plays (Houston Defense was on the field for 974 plays)
5.0 Yards per Play (Houston allowed 5.3 YPP)
320 First Downs Allowed (Houston Allowed 300)
26 Turnovers Forced (Houston Forced 27)
10 Fumbles Recovered (Houston recovered 13)
Pass Defense Stats Colts:
372 Pass Completions (Houston Allowed 344)
583 Attempts Pass (Houston was passed on 548 times)
3403 Passing Yards Allowed (Houston Allowed 3487)
19 TDs Passing Against (Houston allowed 19)
16 Interceptions (Houston had 14)
5.5 Net Yards Per Attempt (Houston allowed 6.0)
203 Defensive Passing 1st Downs (Houston Allowed 175)
Rush Defense Stats:
467 Rushing Attempts Against (Houston had 396)
2024 Rushing Yards Allowed (Houston allowed 1711)
10 TDs via Rushing on Defense (Houston allowed 17)
4.3 Yards allowed per attempt (Houston allowed 4.3)
106 First Downs via Rush allowed (Houston allowed 91)
We are NOT that bad, are we?
Now for the killer (and the one I think nobody has mentioned yet, but I will here and now)…
1st Downs given via penalties on defense:
Colts gave 11 First Downs due to penalties…Houston gave up 34. Thirty freakin’ four.
So really, if our big area of focus is on stopping the TDs, we’re doing good overall, we just need to get better at rush stopping. A rush-stopping DT “might” do that, but I also think Shelley could do a lot more than people realize.
Defensively, we’re better than most give us credit for. Yes, we’re ranked 17th total overall defense, and the Colts were ranked 8th. ALL that takes into account is points. Points. Give up less TDs overall. That’s the focus this year.
And I think if we do factor in the first four weeks (cherry pick if you will call it that), then you’ll see we gave up a lot less TDs after that. So my point still stands.
We…are…better…than…anyone…realizes.
I feel better now.
Houston gave up 34. Thirty freakin’ four.
I thought we had allot of penalties on defense last year. It seemed like every other play had a flag against us some games.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
It's official.
You are a downer.
Reading your posts I start to feel like last year was just a fluke and the Texans are no better off than they were under Casserly.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
They're hoping he's a carbon-copy of Daniels
out of Wisconsin but had better career numbers. We obviously like getting guys from the same college as our active players.
Wisconsin – Graham – OD
Miami – Sharpton – AJ, Winston
Colorado State – Shelley Smith – DA, Dreesen, Brisiel, Nading
Alabama – Jackson – Ryans, Caldwell
I’m surprised we didn’t take Taylor Mays to get a USC connection going with Cushing.
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 27, 2010 3:02 PM CDT reply actions
It's a Smithiak trait
They do “pipeline” programs. That’s why I thought Utah FS Robert Johnson was such a natural fit selection.
"Lord, beer me strength."
All about predictability w/ Smithiak
Picking folks from places you know or know people that know. Has its pros and cons, and both are basically because of safety.
Pretty safe talent from a place you know, or potentially monster guy from an unfamiliar place? Play it safe and you know what you get (er…mostly. So Okoye was a goof), pick a funny place, you never truly know.
Our football teams in Texas are like our people. The Texans are like the honest, hard-working, blue-collar men that earned what they had and built this state into the place it is. The Cowboys are like the politicians and tycoons that just act like buffoons and make everyone hate us. Essentially, Bob McNair=Stephen F. Austin, Jerry Jones=Sam Houston.
Well, as we've seen from interviews,
They do ask guys about past teammates. It gives them additional insight. It’s safe, as you say, but I don’t knock them for it. They do their due diligence.
"Lord, beer me strength."
When you're dealing with millions of dollars being spent, it's
a lot smarter to play it safe.
by typhoon.infamous on Apr 28, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't read too much into the Miami/Alabama thing
Those are premier schools. You’re probably going to find that sort of thing on other teams as well.
Wisconsin seems like a fluke, but there is definitely a link to Colorado State.
Speek Kills
Change of subject…but this seems as good a place as any…
Too much can be made of 40 times…but having fast guys surely helps. The Texans got a lot faster over the weekend…2 of the top 5 times were by Holiday and Dickerson – now Texans. Tate was tied for #9 time in the 40.
Also Ben Tate > Ryan Matthews….give me the guy who is faster, stronger, and more athletic…who had success against defenses that are only second to the NFL.
Al Davis would agree with your statement
Speed Kills – in more ways than one.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
And don't forget
Earl Mitchell was the fastest DT.
Kareem Jackson was top 4 at cornerback.
Shelley Smith was top 3 among interior linemen, top 5 overall.
All in addition to Tate, Holliday, and Dickerson being in the top 10 among all players.
by SpecialKCL66 on Apr 27, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Re: Shelley Smith
Top 3 among interior linemen, top 5 among all O-linemen that is…
by SpecialKCL66 on Apr 27, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
A ferrari is faster than a dump truck
but if they were to collide a ferrari doesn’t stand much of a chance.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
Or the truck backs into you
or they are a foot apart from eachother – no time to get out of the way. The ferrari gets crushed based on the assmass of the truck.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
Then you move out of the way
And there will always be time to get out of the way cuz you’re faster and agile. Weightspeed > Assmass, pure assmass w/o corresponding speed isn’t exactly good. Otherwise Rosie O’Donnell would have been a NFL NT.
Weightspeed and assmass is affected by the closing distance. See examples:
1. RB vs dlineman in the open should be a win for weightspeed
2. Undersized DT vs big hole clogging lineman at the line of scrimmage will be a win for assmass.
3. I would argue that Rosie O’Donnell would have made a great NFL NT.
Momentum is the key factor in assmass vs weightspeed, always remember that grasshopper.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
Correct
Momentum is the key factor, and if you compare a Ferrari to a dump truck, then the Ferrari would be out of reach of the truck by the time it starts to move. Zero velocity = Zero momentum.
Shakes head...
trying to explain to you that you don’t alway have 10 – 20 yards between two players when going up against eachother is like trying to nail jello to the wall. You obviously don’t understand so I’ll leave it alone.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
It's about acceleration
that’s what you fail to understand.. a dumptruck is too damn slow off the block as compared to a ferrari.. bad analogy as socctty pointed out
Wrong...
and you will see that when Mitchell can’t release after getting blocked. Your new ferrari is screwed.
And seriously, what can you not understand. I realize the car is fast but if you have no distance to get out of the way then all the speed in the world won’t help you. It’s hard to get acceleration without much space – the point you don’t seem to grasp very well. So yes, you would be correct if Mitchell was the ferrari and he drops back into coverage to avoid the dump truck (big nasty olineman).
My whole arguement is about Mitchell and not Shelley.
Yes it was a bad analogy for anyone who doesn’t understand the relevance of space/distance in conjunction with momentum.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
Speed...
Isn’t the only influencing factor. Agility and the ability to change direction quickly are more necessary at the line than speed. Mitchell has both.
Being quick is nice, but being able to routinely avoid the block altogether…well, ask Cush about how that works out for him.
Your dump truck’s turn radius is way bigger than the ferraris, meaning the ferrari could much more easily make the sharp turns, leaving the dump truck stuck in the mud, so to speak.
You need to be moving to have any momentum
and as Fuzion points out there are other factors like quickness off the ball, agility, ability to change directions, having a low center of mass, ability to use your hands that neither the ferrari nor the dump truck have. You can’t judge anyone before they even stepped on the field. Yes having a big, quick and agile NT would be nice, but it does not mean that Mitchell is a failure before he plays a single snap. I started that to pick on you, but you are just stuck at momentum. I had just started that to mess with you, but now am annoyed at you being stuck at one stupid point while ignoring every other factor.
" I would argue that Rosie O’Donnell would have made a great NFL NT."
is something you are saying because you don’t wanna think.
So, just FYI Mitchell has more momentum than Ben Tate when running the 40. How? Lets see.. Mitchell weighs about 1.25 times Tate (290 lbs to 230), and his average 40 speed is about .9 times that of Tate (4.8 to 4.4). Now you multiply the two and get.. 1.25 × 0.9 = 1.125 x Tates momentum on an average. Do you want Mitchell to play RB then? No, because he lacks agility to avoid tackles in open field, and because he does not possess the top speed to reach the end zone once he’s free.
Oh Tate would have an edge early on
because Mitchell being heavier will start slower. Same goes in comparison of Mitchell with an even heavier D-lineman. the bottomline is that assmass is not the only factor that matters for a NT. It is a very important one, as they need to be strong, and preferably have a low CG to handle 2 blockers effectively. But, to say that anyone heavier than Earl Mitchell would make a better NT (and that’s assuming he plays NT) does not make the cut for me. I am even willing to go on a limb and say that Mitchell, if tried at NT, will probably be better than Frank Okam.
“But, to say that anyone heavier than Earl Mitchell would make a better NT (and that’s assuming he plays NT) does not make the cut for me.” – Never said that.
Way to go out on a limb and say you bet Mitchell is better than Okam. That’s a win there. Congrats on that call.
40 yard dash times got introduced somehow. Fail.
You obviously don’t understand the point I’m making. Done trying to discuss.
Congrats on the sig. I would expect something like that from someone who doesn’t take the time to try and understand/read the point someone is trying to make or discuss becasue otherwise you wouldn’t have brought up 40 times.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
My gfs 94 yr old grandma
is a better NT than Okam and she has to use a walker!!!
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
And yay I has a sig!
Assmass alone does not a NT make.
Shitty analogy
Dump truck weighs multiples more than a Ferrari; your deal would work if you were comparing Trindon Holliday to Terrence Cody. Different between lightest and heaviest OL is what, 40-50 lbs? 1/7th of their weight at most?
f = ma.
Anyway, that’s not how people block – they don’t just slam into each other.
Also Ben Tate > Ryan Matthews….give me the guy who is faster, stronger, and more athletic…who had success against defenses that are only second to the NFL.
Football Outsiders has (through a weightspeed type formula) declared Tate #1 among RBs.
National Football Post says Tate, if given enough carries, is a serious contender for the NFL Rookie of the Year Award.
"Lord, beer me strength."
OROY is quite often a RB
I think it does come down to Tate and Mathews – maybe Dez Bryant. I have a hard time seeing Sam Bradford living behind the StL offensive line; maybe Clausen could surprise us and make a Matt Ryan-type run at it, too. But the good money is on Mathews or Tate…
Could be Russell Okung...less likely is Trent Williams...
Joe Thomas probably would have won it if Adrian Peterson wasn’t busy being Adrian Peterson.
But yeah the smart money is defintely on Tate, Matthews, and probably Best, except that he gets injured so much and the lions suck. Hardesty is less likely because he may not get as many carries. And then there’s Dez…but that’s a crowded WR corps.
by SpecialKCL66 on Apr 28, 2010 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Statistically speaking....
RB, easily, is the position that has the most OROYs. Surprisingly, Detroit (and Pittsburgh) have the most ROYs out of any team.
In that sense, I’d put money on Jahvid Best, but really…it could be him, Tate, or Mathews.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Mismatches
the Texans scouting director talked about how they valued “mismatches” alot in their evaluations. So adding alot of speed at multiple positions makes sense.
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 27, 2010 3:14 PM CDT reply actions
On picking TEs
One thing I’m really starting to understand dig about Smithiak is what seems to be their strategy of drafting for need in the first three rounds and upside in the final four rounds. It really makes their drafting in the final four rounds pretty unpredictable (did anyone see any of the picks they’ve made in rounds 4-7 of the last 3 drafts coming? Fred Bennett is about all I managed).
It makes perfect sense though. There’s not much point in drafting anyone period in the final 4 rounds that doesn’t have good upside. If they’ve already maxed out their potential and still didn’t get drafted in the first 3 rounds, then there’s not much point, because you can always just hire a po-dunk veteran who’s a sure thing and not waste a pick.
(continued)
…and because the first three rounds are generally way more predictable, you can always trade around to fill needs without reaching and still get the guy you want.
by SpecialKCL66 on Apr 27, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
What are the chances we trade OD
especially in the case that they can’t work out a new contract. This is his third ACL injury, and I doubt that Rick Smith will be willing to pay top 5 TE money to him.
That cuts both ways
This is what the trade market is taking into consideration:
- Ramifications of NFL & NFLPA bargaining on CBA
- OD’s three ACL tears
- Having to sign OD to a brand new deal since he has < 1 year on his contract
- Price for FA TEs being set by stupid-ass Kellen Winslow, Jr. deal to TB
Good luck.
He's not on contract atm
He’ll probably sign the one year tender if contract talks don’t work out. So that shouldn’t be an expensive contract for anyone to consider a trade. His injury history, CBA considerations, and Kubiak’s willingness to trade him may play a bigger role.
I thought he signed it
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
IIRC he signed a waiver
So he could practice with the team. I think it was kind of a show of good faith on both sides.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 28, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that's right my bad
He did seem more upbeat about the situation and said the 1st+3rd round tender the Texans put on him made he feel good that they want him around, and that he was confident they would get a deal done once he was healthy….of course that was before the draft.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
I don't think OD will
will be a Texan after this year. He still wants way more money than the Texans are willing to pay a guy coming off his 3rd torn ACL. I expect him to be limited somewhat during the first few games of the season and play a solid rest of the season but in the end he will still want to be the highest paid TE in the NFL and Smithiak won’t pay him that kind of money at this point. I think it will play out just like it did with Dunta.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
I don't think you could get much more than a 4th for him at this point. Maybe a 3rd.
People know he’s not a complete tight end. People know he’ll be a free agent next year and want to be placated. People know he’s injury prone.
The problem with a lot of fan proposed trades like this is that by the time you get a guy who you have a reason to trade, you’re usually not going to get his true value due to the inherent risk of playing football sixteen times a season and the chances of injury going up with age.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Apr 28, 2010 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I actually liked this pick.
/ducks from Matt and BFD
I know that this wasn’t a perceived area of need but it wasn’t last year either. And what happened during the season? Our orgy of TE’s got injured and we actually had to sign one off the trash pile.
It might’ve been an overreaction on Smithiak’s behalf but it’s not like we drafted a player that’s not capable of playing professional football. It only seems like a shit pick because we had other holes to fill like OL and S. But in terms of talent, this guy’s got some and he obviously has some potential.
In Smithiak We Trust.
I'm fine
With Dickerson, it’s the seventh round, they could have drafted a peacock for all I care. But Graham is OD-Lite, right down to the alma mater, he’s probably a little bit better blocker, but that’s all. What do we do with him since we already have OD, Casey, Hill and Dreessen? I just don’t get it. I want to, I just don’t.
According to McClaine
Injuries to 3 of the 4 (OD, Hill, and Dreessen) made TE a position of need. He said Hill may not be ready to go at the beginning of the season. What if OD or Dreesen are slow to come back, or lose a step?
I agree with rivers' reasoning whole-heartedly, even if he was playing Devil's Advocate
I was alarmed at first at this pick until I sat back and evaluated the injury issue, the importance of the position, the talent of this kid, and most of all, OD’s impending free agency.
I think Smithiak sees the TE position as one of great importance on this team, but that the players are fungible enough that you don’t have to pay OD. Or, they think they are just awesome talent evaluators at that position and can get away with this sort of stuff. Either way, I’m willing to follow them on this.
My prediction is that one of Hill, Casey, or Dreesen doesn’t make it out of camp. I’m leaning towards Dreesen.
Sure
But need is relative- he’s addressing a hypothetical need at the expense of a real one, e.g. our interior lines, secondary, etc. I guess I just felt like we had more pressing needs at that point in the draft.
I don't disagree, but
I don’t see free safety as THAT bad off…Barber looked much better there at the end of the season and Wilson is solid when healthy.
As far as o-line, the two best ones were off the board before we had the chance to draft. If the Texans weren’t sold on Petrus, I can see why they waited till the 6th to get Smith. There wasn’t much depth left after the second round.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Apr 28, 2010 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Man
I wish there was a pick between the second round and the fourth where you could address needs FS or OG like that so it didn’t seem premature when you turned your attentions to TE. That would be really convenient.
by JimboTexan on Apr 29, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The difference is that we have enough healthy bodies at those positions right now. We don’t at safety and there is at least a decent chance that we won’t have them when the season starts. It’s not a bad idea to act as if injured players won’t be back and plan accordingly….see Dominic Davis.
TE in the fourth wasn’t my preference, but I also haven’t talked to the trainers and doctors about current TE’s on the roster. We are also assuming that the coaching staff views the needs the same as we do. For all we know when they graded the tape at the end of the year they thought the line did a decent job, but the RB’s didn’t make the correct read. I doubt it, but unless your in the film room you can’t say how well each individual player did his job.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Maybe
I just have trouble giving people the benefit of the doubt. Though I’d argue that if you’re drafting for “healthy bodies” things have already gone wrong.
Great write-up, Rivers
I should have been visiting this place in the off-season more…
OK, question
Are we all still so dead-gum scarred by the first regime that we’re paranoid about how every pick is a bigger fail than Santa Anna’s military skills until someone has to screw our heads on straight?
Why don’t we just trust the Almighty Smithiak? I mean, for HOF’s sake, Kubes has a book of the freaking football Bible! (noone pounced on the joke, so I figured I’d start). Smith’s probably putting down his own Proverbs now! They’re even collaborating for the Gospel of Schaub (too much?)
Our football teams in Texas are like our people. The Texans are like the honest, hard-working, blue-collar men that earned what they had and built this state into the place it is. The Cowboys are like the politicians and tycoons that just act like buffoons and make everyone hate us. Essentially, Bob McNair=Stephen F. Austin, Jerry Jones=Sam Houston.
I think the answer to your question is yes.
We are still scarred.
But deep down inside I think a lot of us trust Smithiak. And I personally would much rather read debate about how these guys will perform than log on to find everyone agreeing. Save the echo chamber for the chron, I say.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 28, 2010 3:53 AM CDT up reply actions
This really has no place in this conversation...
BUT… This video may very well be the most awesome footage in a while.
Cushing: “You think I broke it, dude?” “I figure I’ll be alright. Just drink some milk tonight.”
Cush: Hey Rex. That was awesome, bro. Didcha call that?
Rex: Yeah. I did.
Cush: I knew it.
Rex: I did. Cush: I knew it.
Rex: I heard it.
Cush: You heard it? You OKed it though right?
Rex: Yeah
Cush: Aw, shoot man!
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 27, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
My favorite part
what will we do without Rex
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 27, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Grarrett Graham is good
if his clutch football stats don’t impress you
here is his MSU video
He scored 3 TD’s in this game last year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emIiaA6QlRY
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
Heh
I like the juxtaposition between what I said about youtube highlights and this comment.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Apr 28, 2010 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you mean that as
God is the Trinity: Offense, Defense, and Special Teams so God would not be limited to offense?
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 28, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was wondering if this would happen.
I’m not out to offend.
But I’m also not going to take it down unless it becomes an issue with SB Nation. It’s satire, not a statement against the seriousness of someones beliefs.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Apr 28, 2010 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm offended
If you’re going to make fun of God, you have to make fun of Muhammed too….
by SpecialKCL66 on Apr 28, 2010 4:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Derka derka, Muhammad jihad?
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Apr 28, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions
You mean this guy

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Nope....this guy (the one in the middle)

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
by Shake on Apr 28, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thats only when he is getting ready for some hot furry on furry action
This is his normal digs

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
oh crap, we're all dead, & when we get bombed, I'm blaming you two
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 28, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Terrorists may have taken my ability to go throw the airport without being stripsearched
But they will never take my cartoons from me, or my ability to post snarky comments on the internet. NEVER I SAY.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
by nolander on Apr 28, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have you seen
Achmed the terrorist? If you haven’t, google it. It’s freaking hilarious.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
offensive to people without a sense of humor?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Irony
Ironically someone who deems something to be “offensive” is actually being very defensive.
Our football teams in Texas are like our people. The Texans are like the honest, hard-working, blue-collar men that earned what they had and built this state into the place it is. The Cowboys are like the politicians and tycoons that just act like buffoons and make everyone hate us. Essentially, Bob McNair=Stephen F. Austin, Jerry Jones=Sam Houston.
by J-Copp on Apr 28, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ROFL
LOL I went back to read Rivers’ silliness at the top. It was brilliant! It had me laughing the first time I read it and it had me totally laughing the 2nd time b/c I read it out loud and dramatized it. Absolutely FUNNY to me. Classic silliness. Makes me think Rivers is what Monty Python would be if they ever bothered to do football skits.
Humor is subjective. shrug I wouldn’t get all uptight about it. The BRB visitor has a right to be offended. But we have an equal right to thoroughly enjoy the silliness.
More power to you, Rivers McCown!

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