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Kareem Jackson: What 'Bama Fans Are Saying

One of the biggest perks to being a member of SB Nation is the ability to consult fanatics from other teams. This time of year, having an NFL blog in particular is sweet because we can consult fans of our draftees' colleges. It's that dynamic that led me to ask the guys over at Roll Bama Roll to give me their thoughts on your Houston Texans' first-round selection, Kareem Jackson. OTS, one of the big cheeses over at RBR, was kind enough to answer my call. OTS' thoughts on one of the newest Texans after the jump...

Star-divide

Take it away, OTS:

First off, for some background information on Kareem, it should be noted that when he came out of high school he did not receive any scholarship offers. None. Nevertheless, he and those around him knew he could play, so they sent him to one of the military prep schools, and there he garnered some attention and received an offer from Vanderbilt. He was committed to them, looking to enroll early, when he took an official visit to Tuscaloosa shortly after Saban arrived, and on that trip he called his mom and told her he wasn't coming home. He signed with 'Bama and enrolled the following day. Most 'Bama fans, myself included, had never heard of the guy prior to this, and if I remember correctly he was a two-star recruit.

Even so, he showed up on campus that spring and looked pretty good in the A-Day game. That fall he surprised everyone even more by quickly grabbing a starting job in fall camp, and honestly he held onto it until he declared early for the NFL Draft. We were pretty thin at corner at the time, but even so he did go by at least a few upperclassmen, and truth be told he was really the best cornerback we had on campus even then (better than Simeon Castille, who received quite a bit of attention, mainly I would argue because of his last name). Kareem may have had a tad bit of a sophomore slump as a sophomore -- though in all fairness he still started 14 games on an elite defense, so a "slump" must be kept in that context -- and in 2009 he really stood out and was a key part of our national championship run.

Now, admittedly, I never pegged the guy as a first round pick. I thought he was a good player that would probably be a second or third round pick with a solid pre-draft showing. Saban largely held the same opinion, which is why he advised him against leaving early. The thought on Jackson was that while he was a good, solid athlete, he really was not the elite caliber of athlete like you normally find with the really high-end cornerback prospects. Of course, though, when Jackson showed up and ran a 4.41 in front of the scouts, suddenly that blew everything out of the water.

And I think that is really what put the Texans over the top with Jackson. If you look at him as a whole, that was really the only thing he was missing all along. He's got the raw size you want, he spent three years as a starter on a very good defense going against the very best collegiate competition, he's a good kid, very smart, and a hard worker, plus he has never had any injuries (even minor injuries). Once you throw some flashes of elite athleticism into that scouting report, suddenly his stock becomes quite damn bullish and he turns into a legitimate first round pick.

Again, though, admittedly I never thought Jackson would go that high (I also didn't think he would run a 4.41 either). By the same token, on the other hand, I have a hard time seeing it be a bad choice. Jackson has frankly always been a good player for us, and at the absolute worst you get a good, well-behaved smart kid -- very much in the mold of Caldwell and Ryans -- who has shown himself against the best collegiate competition, who will work very hard, and who has shown himself to be a good athlete. Admittedly #20 overall may be a tad high, but even so I tend to think of him as a pretty solid pick who will be a good player.

Many thanks to OTS for taking the time to educate me/us about Kareem. Head on over to Roll Bama Roll for all your Crimson Tide queries. The community over there is so good that I momentarily forgot how the Tide ruined January 7, 2010 for me.

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Gracias, OTS

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 27, 2010 10:14 AM CDT reply actions  

If he's in the same vein as Caldwell and Ryans

then I feel pretty good about it.

I know I had read something on Lance’s blog about there being another team which also had Kareem rated highly, so I understand why there wasn’t a trade back (I am all but certain the Patriots would’ve taken him). I continue to feel better about the pick.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 27, 2010 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

While it wasn't a ringing endorsement of Jackson

I think OTS gave an honest assessment of Jackson so I say thank you for that.

I have to agree with you TDC. We have good success with Alabama players and we do not look like the only team targeting Jackson in the first. If it really was the Patriots, it would make sense since both teams targeted Bodden who is a press zone corner. I think we made a good choice then.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 27, 2010 10:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

whoa buddy whoa

I don’t know if I am ready to give him the nickname of the best center to grace the hardwood just yet, how about we start with krispy kareem cuz him shutting down peyton makes me mouthwater…

"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Apr 27, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

HA!

I enjoyed that. You are right. Your name suits him better, FOR NOW! But I swear it, after his first interception, he is the dream. Wouldn’t one pick surpass the amount of picks our DBs accumulated last year?

by Da babyfacedassassin Meco on Apr 27, 2010 12:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Safety is considered DB...

And Pollard all by himself had 2 or 3 just off the top of my head.

So no…maybe our CBs though…

by Fuzion on Apr 27, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pollard and Cushing had 4 to lead the team

If I’m not mistaken.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 27, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh cmon

Dont get all technical on me fuze. You know my point was to show how shitty our corners were at takeaways…

by Da babyfacedassassin Meco on Apr 27, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

We will need a lot more than

1 interception from him if we are going to be any better on D. Really the way I see it (and now I’m on this kick) we didn’t do anything in the draft this year on D except replace Dunta with a rookie CB who we all HOPE is better than Dunta. And if you think our D sucked last year soley becasue of Dunta then you are wrong. The best you can hope for out of Jackson this year is he minimize the mistakes he will make. An interception or two would be better than Dunta last year but what if he still gets picked on game after game and he gets those INT’s because he gets thrown at so many times. Or the same happens to Quinn. I’m feeling like we didn’t do anything in this draft as far as finishing up our defense. We are so close but still lack so much and I don’t really think any of it was addressed in the draft as far as defense goes.

Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".

by Bobobigbro on Apr 27, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know if it should be judged by INTs

INTs are nice, but passes defensed are also nice. Look at a guy like Revis who has had seasons of 17, 16 and 31 PDs. I’d love to see Jackson lockdown his man.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 27, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you. I hope he fills in and can lockdown on his man, I just question if we made other moves to correct other parts of the defense that were still being neglected. I see him doing a good job in Dunta’s place I just know we needed more help on D than just adding one CB.

Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".

by Bobobigbro on Apr 27, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only stats that should count

are the ones made on him the better they are the worse he did, the worse the stats the better he did

living the Texas dream

by Joe25 on Apr 27, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

When you run a (godforsaken) zone

it’s harder to tell how a WR did.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 27, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

krispy? for a CB?

I don’t want my CB with a nickname that sounds like he gets burnt a lot.

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on Apr 27, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

That was my first thought about it too. I’m all for k-jax myself

by Superdave532 on Apr 27, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

well we need to come up

with a nickname that will suffice, but i like Krispy…for my explanation earlier

"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Apr 27, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, That's Nice

You’ve got my vote.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Apr 27, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll second that.

Ice Kareem.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 27, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of Bama's players...

as I recall, it was Arenas, nicknamed him Ice Kareem. I remember seeing that in an interview in early 2008. If that one sticks, it will be one he’s familiar with.

"Let's go be champions, boys!" - Greg McElroy

(Formerly SugarBowl93)

by RememberTheRoseBowl on Apr 27, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks man.

I didn’t mean to imply that it was original, so thanks for the source.

by Espyonage on Apr 27, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't mean to imply

that you implied that it was original. It was more of a ‘great minds’ moment. If you’re thinking like Javy (or whoever it was) you can’t be too far wrong!

"Let's go be champions, boys!" - Greg McElroy

(Formerly SugarBowl93)

by RememberTheRoseBowl on Apr 27, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

As I read this

I’m eating ice cream.
No lie.

"380 pounds of pure pirogi" ~ Cush

by LoneSpot on Apr 27, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

My bad

I now realize how eerie that was.

"380 pounds of pure pirogi" ~ Cush

by LoneSpot on Apr 27, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Far be it for us to judge you & your fetishes

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Apr 28, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Krispy Kareem"

Has a ring to it, but makes me think he’s going to get BURNT.

by socctty on Apr 27, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wrong nickname

If I recall, Javier Arenas (the other Bama CB) used to call Mr. Jackson “Ice Kareem”

You all keep drafting Bama players I may yet end up a Texans fan. Good luck next season and I hope you all hammer the Colts every which way you can!!

by Yamez on Apr 27, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am sold on Ice Kareem,

but if something we come up with as a community comes along i think it would be enjoyable.

"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Apr 28, 2010 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

hmmm

tbh that actually leaves me a bit perplexed. A fast 40 time shouldnt be all it takes to propell you into the first round. I would think his ability and performance would be a bigger importance. I’m not saying the Texans didn’t do their due diligence and liked what they saw, but it is a bit telling when fans who followed him the whole time didnt have anything special to say about him. For a first round pick I would want them to be jumping out of their skin about how awesome the guy was. Time will tell I guess.

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Apr 27, 2010 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

bama fans, in this case.

nuff said.

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on Apr 27, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to brag too much,

but he was a starter on the SEC and National championship winning team. This team also had a Heisman winner in Mark Ingram (RB), and another RB who only lacked on-field experience to be better than him in Trent Richardson. We had the best punt returner in the nation in Javier Arenas, one of the best receivers in the land with Juilo Jones, the best LB in the nation in Rolando McClain, and one of the best Nose Tackles in the nation in Terrance Cody.

I could go on, but as you can see we had a lot to jump out of our skin about. It’s not so much that we didn’t notice that he was really good, it’s more that when you do your job well at cornerback you don’t get noticed as much as when you’re slamming people to the ground at LB or catching impossible passes for TDs. He was admittedly a surprise first rounder, as OTS mentioned, but the reality is that we just thought some of our other top seniors/juniors would probably go before he did.

"Let's go be champions, boys!" - Greg McElroy

(Formerly SugarBowl93)

by RememberTheRoseBowl on Apr 27, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Apr 27, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

nom nom nom

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Apr 27, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm....

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6136
Yeah……

We have a saying that what we’re looking for is a ‘Tough, smart, physical player with high character that has the competitiveness and the passion about the game of football.’ That’s our motto, and that’s what we’ve found. If you can have those attributes coming in here, you’ve got a chance."

Schlauton

by Schlauton on Apr 27, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm....

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6136
Yeah……

We have a saying that what we’re looking for is a ‘Tough, smart, physical player with high character that has the competitiveness and the passion about the game of football.’ That’s our motto, and that’s what we’ve found. If you can have those attributes coming in here, you’ve got a chance."

Schlauton

by Schlauton on Apr 27, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Woops, sorry about that, user malfunction.

Schlauton

by Schlauton on Apr 27, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Flagged

for using “text-speak”

by Jordann on Apr 27, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh btw

I love that one of the tags is demeco is spanish for god….lol

"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Apr 27, 2010 10:56 AM CDT reply actions  

If you want to see how good Kareem is...

Just watch this video. He’s the shutdown corner that Spurrier picks on (and fails miserably) at the 1:54 mark. EPIC FAIL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGyjEujssDA

Congrats on the pick-up.

by BamaCLT on Apr 27, 2010 10:57 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

You had me at Spurrier and EPIC FAIL

but he’s great in the few clips I see. Great focus there.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 27, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

flashes some REAL talent in those clips

1:00 min mark is all i needed to see. Kid can make plays on the ball.

by leacheatsbabies on Apr 27, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im confused

I thought he was number 3… You all keep talking about plays made by #24. Is K. Jackson 24 or 3?

by Da babyfacedassassin Meco on Apr 27, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think
  1. is Marquis Johnson…

Am I missing something here?

by Da babyfacedassassin Meco on Apr 27, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Na

He is #24…#3 is M.Johnson

by Jahon on Apr 27, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Other way around #3 is Kareem

by Jahon on Apr 27, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is what I thought

Well I am glad M. Johnson looks so good ha…

by Da babyfacedassassin Meco on Apr 27, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Spurrier...

never picked on K.Jackson that game. Thats what the stats look like, because K-Jack only had 3 tackles for the whole game.

by Jahon on Apr 27, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

He meant ''picked on him''3 times on a fade route.

Spurrier made no bones about what play he was going to run.Hoping Jackson was the weak link in the secondary,due to the fact he had some coverage issue’s in a few games.Third time wasn’t the charm for ole Stevie though.

by Crimsoncaller on Apr 27, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Spurrier

picks on Marquis Johnson not Kareem Jackson in that game.

A picture says a thousand words unless it is a picture of the Alabama football team then it only says one word.........CHAMPION!

by AlabamaTitans2009 on Apr 27, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why couldn't we just draft

Cody, Mike Johnson, Ice Kareem, and Javier Arenas.

That > Mitchell, Shelly, and McMannis (although he’s a pick I actually like).

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 27, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

If y'all...

…had done that, you wouldn’t believe how much Texans merchandise would have gotten sold…or how many hits this blog would have received. Picking three of our favorites since 2006 is still a nice start, and many of us are (at the least) pulling for you guys to get some playoff Ws.

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban

by NiceLittleSaturday on Apr 27, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

something is missing

Lacks discussion of “weightspeed” proportionate to on-field play.

by grungedave on Apr 27, 2010 11:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Many thanks OTS for the in depth perspective on our new CB

Nick Saban’s expertise in coaching is defense, and more specifically defensive backs. He was on the Oilers’ staff as a secondary coach way back when. I like that Kareem was completely unheralded coming to UA, proved his worth to Saban on the practice field to the extent that he immediately became a starter; and stayed there for 3 years. The training Kareem got by playing 3 years in the SEC under Saban makes him as NFL ready as possible. When his name was announced, my initial reaction was, WHO???, but now I am quite comfortable that he is going to be a + contributor to the Texans from day 1, just like Meco.

It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are due to get to the big dance...Go Texans!!!!!

by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 27, 2010 11:49 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree

Think Wilson will be a bust

did like mccourty though

by AllenOU on Apr 27, 2010 11:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was sure they were going to go Wilson or McCourty at 20

but am confident that Smith knows more than me.

Gotta’ give props to you for eyeing Trent Williams. About 3 months ago when early draft projections were flying and Trent hadn’t yet risen up the charts, you commented on Chris’s Diehards forum that he would be a good pick for the Texans at 20. Okung was widely considered the best OT and Williams looked to go mid to bottom of the 1st round. Kinda’ thought you were just being and OU homer at the time, but when Shanahan picked him at #4 to protect his new QB that disproved that theory. I’ve been rooting for the Horns since the great DKR was their coach, and as much as I hate the Sooners, gotta’ give it up to any school that can place 3 of the 1st 4 picks in the NFL draft. Won’t research it, but would not be surprised if that is a first in history.

It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are due to get to the big dance...Go Texans!!!!!

by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 27, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks OTS

Is there any chance we can get someone from Track em Tigers to do a breakdown on Ben Tate? I would love to hear what Auburn fans think of him.

by Jahon on Apr 27, 2010 12:03 PM CDT reply actions  

oooooh

Tater salad…

"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Apr 27, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ego...

If you read Tate’s statements, I think he’s the RB equivalent of Chad “Douche’o Cinco.” Tate hails from the NE, and he’s a solid performer, but humility and sportsmanship is not his forte. Of course I’m bias because I’m a Bama fan; but with that said, he did say he was the best RB in the state. Ingram ate his ass up in stats as a Sophomore vs Upperclassman. IMO, Tate is an ego trip waiting to destroy a team’s cohesiveness.

by BamaCLT on Apr 27, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're going to find a lot of people on this board who disagree

For one thing, Smithiak doesn’t tend to draft prima donnas. Secondly, there are plenty of indications that he’s a pretty down-to-earth guy. Check out the clip that he put up of him getting the call from Kubes when he got drafted. You can see genuine joy and excitement on his face. It was totally authentic. The kid just had his dream come true and he didn’t have a chip on his shoulder about it at all.

Also, he’s already done things like promise to give away a jersey to a fan (I think Kerns has stuffed the ballot box on that one).

Personally I’m inclined to think that your understandable bias against Auburn may have altered your perceptions somewhat. Which is by no means intended as an insult, just my observation.

Thanks for sharing you observations of Jackson. I hope he turns out to be the answer for us back there.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 27, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

tehGrindCrusher

said exactly what I was going to say. No way Smithiak drafts a TO/Ocho personality.

by Jahon on Apr 27, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Although, to be fair

I actually like Ochocinco.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 27, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

You should

He’s better at kicking XPs than Kris Brown.

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Apr 27, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

ditto

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Apr 27, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's only because

Patrick Willis doesn’t play WR.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 27, 2010 10:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

From what I've seen we could probably just get Tate to come on here himself.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Apr 28, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Darrelle Revis - 5'11, 198, 4.38 40-yard dash, 1st corner taken 2007 draft

Kareem Jackson – 5’11, 196, 4.41 40-yard dash, 2nd corner taken 2010 draft

Both All-Americans as Freshman, no injury history to speak of, came from good programs (Bama, Pitt)

don’t kill me now..i’m just saying.

by leacheatsbabies on Apr 27, 2010 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

nice.........

sacrifices lamb offering to durga

Schlauton

by Schlauton on Apr 27, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

so, what you are saying is

Kareem is 99.995% as good as Revis? I will take it!

by grungedave on Apr 27, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Darrelle Revis

has the benefit of a tremendous pass rush up front, making him look that much better.

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on Apr 27, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Jets don't really have a great pass rush.

According to PFF, they’re 31st out of 32 teams on pass rush.

They lost to the Mannings in the AFC Title game because he had all day to throw. They never disrupted his timing.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 27, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

tell that

to Chris Myers, Matt Schaub, Gary Kubiak, and every one of us that watched game 1 of 2009.

Uh, da Colts didn’t lose much, not a fair comparison. But I quoted PFF earlier to prove a point, so I can’t really discredit your source, I just remember game one.

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on Apr 27, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

The memory of that awful day still stings

We (the fans) were all so full of hope that day and the Texans came out flat and were simply manhandled and thoroughly embarassed. Here’s hoping that Kubes learned a tough lesson from that one. Colts are game 1 this season; can’t afford a replay of that Jets game.

It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are due to get to the big dance...Go Texans!!!!!

by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 27, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

ouch

that was my first nfl game… and it hurt… alot.. especially the long 3 hr drive back to dallas

by GObattleRED! on Apr 28, 2010 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I used to drive from Lake Charles as an Oiler season ticket holder from 1987 - 89

The drives back after the victories were so much nicer. The night games were kinda rough though, getting up for work the next morning I mean.

It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are due to get to the big dance...Go Texans!!!!!

by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 28, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

anyone seen this yet?

from the mothership

Though we may not understand why they draft the way they do..I have to admire the diligence in forming a plan of action and sticking to it all the way through.

All team captains, all physical players, all 3 or 4 year starters, most have their degrees, have passion for the game, had success over extended periods in college.

They’re also all undersized but fast guys with good motors. We’ll see if their approach pays off but I do like how they had a plan and blueprint for the players they wanted and the stuck to it.

by leacheatsbabies on Apr 27, 2010 1:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I wouldn't call them all undersized

Jackson and McMannis are good sized CBs, Tate’s a bigger back, and Dickerson’s a bigger WR.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 27, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trindon

is pulling our average way down on all counts.

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on Apr 27, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

good one

Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".

by Bobobigbro on Apr 27, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another thing about that guy

According to the article Trindon was, in 2008, the fastest man on the planet. In the year that Usain Bolt won the Olympic 100m.

Granted, it’s only over 60 meters, but if Holliday hasn’t been caught after 60 meters, he’s not getting caught in the last 40 either.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 27, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats impressive because Bolt is a foot taller at 6'5

this leads me to believe that Holliday maybe takes 2 strides to every 1 Usain Bolt stride.

His legs must look like Roadrunner when he’s burning Wylie Coyote.

by leacheatsbabies on Apr 27, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

No way he beats Bolt.

He was an NCAA champ at that distance, but Usain Bolt was under 10 seconds in the 100 meters. In fact, Bolt ran it at 9.58. There’s a great Esquire article on just how insane Bolt’s achievement was.

http://www.esquire.com/features/usain-bolt-bio-0410

This chart is probably the most impressive thing of all: Bolt is 30 years ahead of his time. Really, you should click on it!

I’d be careful to say that Bolt couldn’t catch Holliday over the last 40 meters – or even that Holliday would be ahead after 60 meters. Bolt’s stride length is huge compared to Holliday’s.

There’s always debate about the “Fastest Man on the Planet” title. Sometimes the 200-meter guy claims it, to the distaste of the 100-meter guy. Bolt has both titles.

by socctty on Apr 27, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks socctty I've always enjoyed watching track and field, particularly the sprints

It’s such a pure sport; just man vs man. Bolt is a freak. Hard to now believe that many questioned whether or not he could successfully move down from the 200/400 to the 100. Thought maybe his start would not be quick enough because of his large frame. When he is done, i can see his records standing for a generation.

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by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 27, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not saying that Holliday could beat Bolt

But iirc Bolt’s not known for his quick start. In any event if what the article says is true, then Trindon may well have had the fasest 60 time in the world that year, which is quite an accomplishment.

And as far as him getting caught from behind after 60 meters, I was thinking more about NFL players when I wrote that. Should have been clearer.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 27, 2010 10:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

There have been few players in NFL history that could run down Trindon

after 60 meters. He will definitely be electrifying on special teams.

and yeah, considering Bolt’s relatively slow start (as detailed on the 1st page of the esquire article) IMO Trindon (at his best of course) would beat him in a 40 meter and a 60 meter race would be verrrrrry close.

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by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 27, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's amazing that this is even a legitimate discussion item.

Very cool.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 28, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't Holliday run 100 meters in 10:00

That’s just 2s off from what Bolt ran then. I have been thinking Bolt would have beaten him by more like 5-10 seconds..

by kaizer on Apr 27, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

You meant .2 seconds, right?

That little decimal point makes a big difference.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 28, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually...

It’s about half a second. Bolt ran it in just over 9.5 seconds, and Holliday ran it in just over 10 seconds flat.

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by Shake on Apr 28, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

True, in a 100 meter race Bolt's best time is 0.5 seconds faster than Mighty Mite

However Bolt’s running prowess is so unique in that his top end is amazingly faster than anyone, while his start is only mediocre (by world championship standards). See Esquire article. In a 40 meter it’s ALL about the start and quickness. Trindon definitely has the advantage there. Could Bolt start quickly enough to counter Trindon’s quickness? We’ll never know. In a 100 meter race, Bolt passes Holliday at some point, probably around the 55 – 65 meter point, and easily cruises to victory. Bolt ran anchor for Jamaica at the recent Penn relays and was awesome as usual. The shortest distance in indoor track is 60 m, and it would have been really fun to see Bolt vs Holliday, but it will never happen.

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by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 28, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just talked to a friend of mine who's a Bama alum and watches them religiously

He likes the pick as well, though he also didn’t expect him to go that high. He said Jackson kind of took away his half of the field from the offense and didn’t get thrown at much so he didn’t have many opportunities to make highlight reel plays. Says he plays the run really well and gets physical with bigger WRs.

by leacheatsbabies on Apr 27, 2010 1:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not a big fan...

…of Todd McShay, but I can’t disagree with anything he says in this short video clip that aired on ESPN.

I will say this to any folks who are focusing on his stats: ignore them. In 2007, as an unheralded true freshman, he had eye-opening stats…in part because he got tested often (as true freshmen do), and in part because he stood out on a porous (by Alabama and Coach Nick Saban standards) defense. The past two years, we’ve put much better units on the field (you can trust those stats if you need to do your homework), and his individual statistics have ‘suffered’ mainly due to that.

I think this got taken care of earlier, but KJ is #3, Marquis Johnson is #24.

Oh, and as far as a nickname, the one we hear the most is ‘Ice Kareem’. Peace. Now go make the playoffs.

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by NiceLittleSaturday on Apr 27, 2010 4:07 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Okay, you sold me on Ice Kareem.

On another note, thanks to all the ‘Bama fans who’ve rolled through here. Appreciate all the insight.

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by TexansDC on Apr 27, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw what you did there

with the punnage

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by Shake on Apr 27, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you're telling me

KJ played both sides of the ball for ’Bama? I could have sworn I saw #3 running some sweep plays out of the back field.

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by txknight on Apr 28, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I may be mistaken

but Richardson (their back-up RB) also wears #3.

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by TexansDC on Apr 28, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

gotta love CFB

They probably have at least 3-4 #3’s on the team

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by Shake on Apr 29, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Signed

Colt McCoy and Earl Thomas.

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by Tim on Apr 29, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

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by Shake on May 2, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a 'Bama fan...

The other thing to consider is that for the last two seasons, SEC quarterbacks, given the choice, would consistently throw at Jackson rather than Arenas. On the other hand, when Bama went to three corners, they’d rather throw at Marquis Johnson. Not being as dangerous as Arenas isn’t necessarily a condemnation.

by Mac T on Apr 27, 2010 9:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Piqued by this post

I looked to see if Baylor had a blog and noticed we do not. Typical…I’d start one, but I’m afraid it’s a super-niche market.

Out of curiosity: I haven’t watched much ’Bama- do you use much zone, how does Kareem do in zone v. press?

by JimboTexan on Apr 27, 2010 9:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Baylor Blog

If you’re interested in taking that bull by the horns, Jimbo, let me know and I’ll put you in touch with the right people. SB Nation is always looking to start quality blogs for passionate fan bases.

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by Tim on Apr 27, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Super-niche?

Trust me, Jimbo. Baylor’s a Big 12 blog…wouldn’t be as niche as some of the blogs on SBNation.

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by TexansDC on Apr 27, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you should totally go for it

Even if it’s just football.

On the other hand, I say this, but I wouldn’t really read a Baylor sports blog. I’m sure you’d be a pretty solid writer, though.

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by riversmccown on Apr 28, 2010 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pats fan here...

…here’s some number comparisons of the first round CBs taken.

He’s middle of the road when referring to combine statistics- top speed, middle jumping, bottom direction changing, explosion and strength.

Looking at senior year game stats, he’s not the most physical corner, but he can knock the ball away. He can give up the big play (greatest average yards/catch against) and he’s willing against the run- but he’s mediocre against the run.

So it appears you have a cover player who runs alongside his receiver the whole time and either swats the ball away or gives up the catch. I think because he doesn’t jam his receivers, he’s always far away from the running play (hence the high running yards/tackle ratio). If he becomes more physical as a corner, you’ll have an extremely solid player on your hands.

by Richard Hill on Apr 28, 2010 1:28 PM CDT reply actions  

FWIW Rick Smith was bragging on his run support ability after the pick was announced

The CBS numbers don’t exactly back up Rick’s assessment. Thanks for the report RH. The player he is replacing (Dunta R) was excellent at run support in his prime, but never better than mediocre in pass coverage. We’re hoping for a more complete package from Kareem.

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by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 28, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those senior year numbers

also suggest Kyle Wilson to be the worst of the four. Why was he #2 high on most boards.

Assmass alone does not a NT make.

by kaizer on Apr 28, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because he had the best combine...

…out of any of the corners (except arguably Devin McCourty, but Wilson had a better bench and vertical, which means he’s probably better suited against the big corners). I think Wilson had an inflated position on draft boards because he was rarely thrown at. He suffered from Asomugha syndrome- if there’s a player much worse than you are, opposing teams will exploit them. Therefore, it will appear that teams avoid throwing towards you when, in actually, they’re just getting yards from a different direction.

That’s not to say Wilson isn’t good- I think he’ll be a very good corner. I just think he’s more of an Asante Samuel than a Darelle Revis- he’ll be flashy on the field, but he’s useless against the run and will give up the big play.

by Richard Hill on Apr 28, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

While I think that Samuel = Wilson is a good comparison

let’s not forget that Wilson is a man-to-man corner. The Pats and Texans both play more press zone which McCourty and Jackson are both better at than Wilson. One of the knocks on Wilson was that he would get caught up looking into the backfield that receivers would get behind him. You put that with his aggressive break on the ball trying for the big play or tackle and his aggressive nature with receivers, he sounds like a corner would be a bad fit in a predominant zone defense. He sounds like a corner who would be picked on whether it’s pump fakes and play actions while in zone coverage or called for penalties for bumping receivers outside of five yards.

However, I want to say something about those numbers. The running yards per tackle ratio is not a good number for comparing stats. While I have not watched tape of Jackson to know if this is true, but how does that stat account for players who make tackles on the opposite side of the field? I bring this up because from watching the Texans’ defense in past years, the better players would have to put extra effort to make a play and most of those times, it meant trying to tackle someone on the other side of the field and stopping a touchdown. However, Jackson is said to be bad about coming off blocks, so he could be he is slow about getting to the play but able to make the tackle once he gets there. But Jackson is said to like to jam receivers, so I wouldn’t go off stats alone. I do not know for sure, but I can see where that stat could be misleading. Yet I will say that I wanted McCourty and still kind of question the selection. While Jackson may be more NFL ready now, will he better a few years from now? The Pats got a good corner who I think has the most potential, and I know that will make my brother happy (he’s a Pats fan too). I guess we’ll see and leave it up to the FO since they know more than I do. Jackson definitely has a tougher situation since McCourty plays alongside Bodden, but I will hope for the best since neither player has stepped on the field yet.

Also, Darrelle Revis is pretty mediocre against the run. I know that you were probably not saying that he was great against the run, but it could be construed that way when you compare him to Samuel since that is Samuel’s biggest weakness.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 28, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because numbers aren’t a very good judge of CB’s and really those numbers don’t really create much separation between the players IMO anyway. Wilson had good tape for a team that got an unexpected amount of media attention this past year. I think he also had a good senior bowl. Remember though that when a player suddenly starts shooting up the draft board in the media, NFL teams have likely already been watching him for a year or two.

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by papabear on Apr 28, 2010 4:23 PM CDT reply actions  

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