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Better Know A Texans Draftee: Dorin Dickerson

The principal thing is to have tight ends on the very lips, ready to issue when summoned. This makes a coach free, not by right of McClain criticism, for Toby Gerhart is always close to him, but by right of nature. He is the true freeman who has escaped from roster confines. Those confines are constant, from them there are no deliverance ; they press us day and night alike, without pause, without respite. To be a slave to the roster is the most grievous kind of slavery; yet its fetters may easily be struck off, if you will but cease to make large demands upon your players, if you will cease to seek players who have played but one position, and if you will set clearly before you your tight ends and former tight ends, even though it be the bloom of youth; if you will say to yourself, Why do I rave, and glare, and shout? Why do I call the play-action? Why do I need the safeties? Man needs little but tight ends, nor needs that little long.

Naturales Quaestiones, book 3.

Dorin Dickerson doesn't have a real position.  And he never has.

In high school, we have a playmaker who lined up at quarterback, running back, receiver, defensive back, and kick returner.  

2006 saw him play as a wide receiver and a kick returner.

2007 saw him play as a backup SAM linebacker and a continued role returning kicks.  

Finally, in 2008 and 2009, he was a tight end.  The kind of tight end that didn't offer much in the way of blocking in the opinion of virtually any scout you talk to.  

So basically, we have a kid that the baseball scouts would call "a toolbox."  4.4 40, amazing vertical leap, 24 reps at the combine.  Just 22 years old, and with only one season of decent production under his belt.  In many ways, this is the anti-Texans pick.  Sure, he's a hard worker, but the Texans often go for polish, and Dickerson is one of the rawest prospects in the draft.  

While I don't think the Texans staff is defiantly lying to us about trying him as a wide receiver, I believe the path of least resistance is going to force him to be a tight end, and I'll explain why after the jump.

Star-divide

First of all, lets be honest with ourselves about his potential as a wide receiver.  The Pittsburgh Panthers, who have brought wide receivers like Larry Fitzgerald and Antonio Bryant into the league, have been almost completely barren at wide receiver throughout Dave Wannstedt's tenure.  Derek Kinder was a seventh round draft pick last year, one who has never played a game due to injuries, and that's really all she wrote for them thus far.  Yes, Jonathan Baldwin has a chance to be a high pick next year, and Wannstedt isn't in MENSA, but it's not like Dickerson was fighting off the Arizona Cardinals wideouts to get on the field.  I have to believe that the staff at Pittsburgh just didn't think he could play on the outside for the same reasons that several of the draft sites I've been looking at point out, and something that is clearly obvious even on Youtube highlights:  He just doesn't run good routes.  The most complicated route I've seen him run is an out-and-up, and most of the time they had him running simple out patterns.  

Another legit criticism is that he doesn't get separation from defensive backs.  This goes hand-and-hand with his poor route running.  He just doesn't seem to have great instincts without the ball.  The few long catches that I was able to watch of his were either of the short catch-and-make-them-miss variety or the completely blown coverage variety.  He scored 10 touchdowns, but did it with only a 10.8 yards per catch average, which is pretty low for a pure receiving tight end considered an NFL prospect, let alone a wide receiver .  

I have a healthy amount of respect for NFL coaching staffs, and I'm not saying the Texans couldn't succeed in making him a wide receiver, but it seems to me that he has a LOT of factors going against him as a wide receiver.  While he's got terrific physical tools, he hasn't had any success at it since high school, he didn't have to beat out any NFL quality competition at the position when Pittsburgh did try him there, and by all accounts, he has no natural ability to separate from corners or run routes.

Meanwhile, his resume as a tight end looks much more enticing.  He's a mismatch for 90% of the linebackers in the league, who can't keep up with his speed.  Going over the middle, he'll usually be facing smaller nickel backs who he'll have a size mismatch on.  Separation won't be as big of a deal, just finding zone holes.  He has the power to break some tackles if he gets in open space.  He's only been at the position for two years and has shown improvement, even if he's never going to be able to do more than a bump someone on a run play.  They can call him a wide receiver all they want, but I don't think he's ever going to play further out than the slot.  Semantics sure are fun.

As far as the pick itself, I can't find anyone who dislikes it  Guys with tools like this don't grow on trees, no matter how raw they are.  Throw in that he was projected much higher than this by draftniks and it's hard to find anything to criticize the Texans for here.  I guess if you really want to be snippy, you can point out that they left Kavell Conner on the board.  But they'd already drafted a linebacker, so that person isn't going to be me.  Texans director of scouting Dale Strahm also noted on the mothership that he could come in and make all the special teams, so even if he isn't ready to play on offense, he could make the active roster right away.   

Call him a wide receiver, call him a tight end.  Whatever he is, he was a good seventh round pick.

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Leaving Conner on the board hurts

but even I am ok with this pick, and I was Kavell’s bandwagon driver.

" I'm hung over, my knees are killin' me, and if you're going to pull this shit, at least you could've said you were from the Yankees."
--Jake Taylor

by MDC on Apr 29, 2010 9:19 AM CDT reply actions  

C'mon he's a 7th rounder!!!

I cant help but believe that if he is a hard worker that he could possibly become a great WR especially if you count the fact that he will be learning behind a tremendous WR like #80. I’ve seen the plays this guy has made at Pitt as a pass catcher and all I can say is WOW! 7th round says he has a few years. I think he develops quicker that Jacoby did though. He has the body and has good speed and looks like another guy you can have going up for jump balls over the tiny DBs in this league.

Win Win in my book. If he does well, then you look like a genius. if it doesn’t pan out, we was only a 7th rounder.

by JohnBinATX on Apr 29, 2010 9:35 AM CDT reply actions  

*Wayne's World dream hand wave thingy*

In my little dream world, where I’m 6’5 and have hair, I can see Dorin creating a lot of mismatches inside against LBs. We don’t need to do anything fancy, just a drag or out or little thing like that, and he Dorin could create a lot of havoc. MDC has brought up Colston a couple of times, and if we can teach DD to run strong routes, I think there’s something there.

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 29, 2010 9:35 AM CDT reply actions  

doodle doodle doodle doodle...

"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Apr 29, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they honestly want to teach him the WR position

The one thing that stands out is the guy hasn’t had a full time position yet in football unless you count the 2 years he was thrown in at “TE” and used more as a slot reciever. I don’t think it has anything to do with him not being good enough at any one position so much as just another example of college coaches finding a player with unique physical abilities and using him to try to plug whatever hole his team has. I feel bad for the players like Dickerson who go through this, cause if he was coached at just one position for four years, he’d probably be in a much different situation right now.

He has the body and speed in the mold of Andre Johnson, as a TE he would be severely undersized in the NFL. He is raw as a route runner, but because of his position hopping he’s raw at any position they could put him in. If you look at the Texans though, our two starting WRs are very good route runners and the same staff who helped polish their abilities to run routes are going to be working with Dickerson to try to turn him into a WR….

He’s definitely a project… If he has good aptitude and a willing student of the game, he probably at the very least grows into a quality #3 reciever. If he’s thick-headed and a slow learner, he’ll probably be out of the league in 3 years or less.

by Bryan72076 on Apr 29, 2010 9:58 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

The best thing Kubiak did...

was announce after the pick that he’s a WR and he’ll essentially be shadowing Andre whenever possible.

There’s no confusion. There’s no indecision. It’s pretty clear cut, and I don’t think he could have a better teacher.

He’s got the toolbox, and he can learn what’s missing. I’m really excited to see how this kid progresses.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 29, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agree with TDC.

Also check out the mothership and the one on one with Kubes. He said when he called him to tell him they were picking him he told him, son, you will be a WR. Sounds like that is exactly what their plans are. I don’t see them working to make him a TE for one second. That’s what Graham was picked up for. And now for the unpopular comment, Graham was picked to replace OD next year. They seem high on him and for what OD wants money wise, if Graham is 3/4 as good as OD, that’s you’re #1 TE next year with Dressen and Thor backing him up plus of course the other 4 TE’s we draft in 2011. I could be wrong but I really do see it happening this way.

Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".

by Bobobigbro on Apr 29, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Remember when

This statement would be considered a joke?

plus of course the other 4 TE’s we draft in 2011

It’s just not funny anymore, ‘cause it’s true.

"380 pounds of pure pirogi" ~ Cush

by LoneSpot on Apr 29, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

i still find it funny

I am a moron though, so that has to be part of it.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Apr 29, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

we all *THINK* we know

Durga help us if the health of our TE corps is again this poor, come draft day 2011

by Cut Block on Apr 30, 2010 5:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I already know 1...

Colorado State TE Eric Peitz.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 30, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Curiosity got the cat again

(And here’s hoping you launch at least a full page off here)

Which examples come to mind in your head when you think of players not being given a chance to fully develop at a position due to their athleticism?

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 30, 2010 5:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah right!

No, he just didn’t bother to develop because he had such athleticism…at least in his own mind he did. He was QB his whole time at tu.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Apr 30, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

It wasn't that he wasn't given a chance.

He just didn’t take it.

Although I have said since Mack Brown’s first season that he and his staff don’t develop players, they are just able to recruit really well which gives them a good team.

So I guess I just confirmed your argument.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on May 4, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Almost every college team has at least one…

Our own Connor Barwin was thrown into several different positions simply to take advantage of his physical abilities, if he had played DE his entire career, or even TE his entire career, he’d be much further along right now at whatever position he played.

Coming out this year the University of Virginia, Schaub’s old school, had a player named Vic Hall who started out as a QB, then CB for two years, then WR for one, then QB/KR this past season… At one point he was starting over Cook at CB who went early in the 2nd round this year I believe he even got mention for all conference team at CB one year, while he himself went undrafted I believe.

I’m not saying he would have been an early draft pick otherwise, but he certainly would have had a better chance of being drafted if he wasn’t a superior athlete and versatile enough to play multiple positions well in college. He would have gotten more consistent coaching as well as experience and would have more refined skills at whatever position he played in.

I’m too lazy to find others, but I do know that it happens quite frequently in college. Almost every team these days has at least one “athlete” that doesn’t really have his own position. It’s good for the team to create mismatches with them, but ultimately it’s a bad break for the players in question as their development as players essentially is stalled as they’re not really learning much position wise, they’re just asked to be “athletes” and unfortunately that’s not a position in the NFL so they get overlooked come draft time and are behind skill wise if they get an invite to a team’s camp..

by Bryan72076 on Apr 30, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I agree that the "athlete" happens frequently in college

I don’t know if I agree that him being less versatile would’ve helped his draft stock.

Granted, it’d have been nice for him to focus on WR or TE for a few years, but his versatility is why I happen to love the pick. While not a burner, he can return kick, make tackles, catch, and factor into some creative plays (the whole QB thing). I think it helps him in camp because he’s got a lot of value.

I mean, by the description of positions….he can replace Davis and Glenn Martinez which opens up a slot for a specialist like Holliday.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 30, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't mean

That the versatility hurts them on a pro scouting level. But it’s that versatility to fill whatever hole on their team which is responsible for them “floating” between positions in college and not getting the coaching and experience in one position that’s required to put them in the best position to enter the NFL.

I was just pointing out the irony that they’d probably be further along now had they been less gifted physically and forced into one position while in college.

Versatility is always a good thing, but players as raw as Dickerson is will struggle with the steep learning curve at the pro level because they usually aren’t even on par with other college players at their positions technique wise. I just think it’s selfish of college coaches to use these kids purely as a means to their own end and to hell with their individual goals or successes.

by Bryan72076 on Apr 30, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sublime

Made me laugh. Thanks. I love that you’re basically arguing he’s an underdeveloped tight end project, not a receiver, because if so there is no way he makes the team. He’s just there to fill the quota.

by JimboTexan on Apr 29, 2010 10:00 AM CDT reply actions  

I Choose To Believe He Can Be A WR

Because the thought of a roster comprised of 13% TE gives me the vapors.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Apr 29, 2010 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Well it's evident from his youtube highlights, combine and scout opinions that

1. He’s a special athlete. 6’2, 230, 4.4 40, 43 inch vert, VERY versatile.
2. He has a nose for the endzone. 45 catches with 10 touchdowns his senior year (one of every 4.5 catches was a TD).
3. He played strongside LB as sophomore so he’ll be able to contribute on kickoff and punt team right away.
4. His highlights don’t lend much to the idea that he can be a downfield threat at WR, BUT what stuck out to me was all the drags and outs underneath that they ran for him. Kubes loves the bootleg, Schaub owns the bootleg..this kid can be a real threat when leaks out on roll out plays.

However, those routes are reserved for one Owen Daniels..which leads me to agree with the fact that he might be better served staying at TE.

In the 7th round, it’s an AMAZING value pick.

by leacheatsbabies on Apr 29, 2010 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

so since the kid has played like every position...

what about a trick play with a TE/SE end around pass. I mean he has at least played QB more than Chris “I Suck more than a hoover!” Brown, and could probably complete the 1st and G pass… although he could fit into the Texans I-Formation invented by yours truly. (BTW Kubes i could come up with a whole set of plays although i would need help with Zone blocking OL routes)

"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Apr 29, 2010 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

What's in a name

TE, H-Back, WR, whatever they call him the kid seems like a pretty good athlete. The Texans say he’s going to be a WR, so that’s what I’ll go with right now. If they can refine his route running then he could be an interesting guy down the road. Great spot to draft a kid like this.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Apr 29, 2010 1:54 PM CDT reply actions  

sooo Rivers

I have to ask how was doing DD? was it as good for him as it was you? did he at least take you to dinner first?

Anyways, i am hoping he turns into some sort of weapon, whether it be on Special Teams (cuz lord knows we could always use another quick hitter on ST.) or offensive weapon.

"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Apr 29, 2010 2:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Fettuccine Alfredo.

It says “nice, but not so nice that you think I’ve gotten my signing bonus yet.”

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 30, 2010 5:26 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well at least

he didn’t just ruffiecolada you with cheap liquor, and fed you first.

"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Apr 30, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I personally liked this pick.

Not because he played TE in college. It’s because of everything that you mentioned in this post.

But I have to disagree with your notion that this was an Anti-Texans pick.

He’s got enough knowledge and experience to play different positions, Never had trouble with the law(can’t find anything on him), and is a standout guy in the locker room.

That sounds like the usual Smithiak pick to me.

If he fails to grasp the WR position with all the help around him (great coaching staff, AJ), the Texans can move him to a different position offense or defense.

He’s obviously not a true WR1 or WR2. Heck, im not even sure if he’ll fit right in as a slot receiver. But he seems like a true football player to me.

by Jordann on Apr 30, 2010 1:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Raw like Barwin?

At least we know that Dickerson is an explosive offensive weapon. He might not be able to run crisp routes but he has a nose for the end zone. Unlike Barwin who’s only craft right now is the speed rush and we used a second rounder on him!

But I see what you’re saying about the Texans prefering polished players over diamonds in the rough. Hopefully Dickerson becomes the most cost-effective WR in franchise history.

by Jordann on Apr 30, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

check this out

Radio interview with Dorin. To me, he seems to be a very nice guy with a great attitude.. he just wants to come and play and get to know Houston and all the other players and get to action!

http://www.podbean.com/home/podcast-directory-play.php?eid=2622700

Die hard Texan fan from the heart of Denmark!

by zala on Apr 30, 2010 6:33 AM CDT reply actions  

dave wandsadt???

this is a defensiv e coach who taught offense on this team no one from the looks of things. geez, talk about the obvious

by truckintexan on May 1, 2010 11:23 AM CDT reply actions  

When I think of the name, "Dorin Dickerson"

I see this thing, a sign, I see this name in bright blue neon lights with a purple outline. And this name is so bright and so sharp that the sign – it just blows up because the name is so powerful.

"380 pounds of pure pirogi" ~ Cush

by LoneSpot on May 2, 2010 2:15 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I always enjoy reading the opinions of people

talking about players they know nothing about other than what other people have said based on what other people have said, or their stat line..oh, and how fast they ran a 40 or how many times they lifted 225 LBs on a bench.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on May 2, 2010 1:19 PM CDT reply actions  

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