Who's The Most Valuable Houston Texan?
by Tim on Apr 30, 2010 3:36 PM CDT
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PrintIt's a Friday afternoon, so it's time for a little mindless exercise. Scanning the current roster, who's the most valuable Houston Texan? Note that "most valuable" is different that "most talented." In other words, the query is: Which Houston Texan is the most critical to the team's success?
Vote in the poll below and let us know why you cast your lot the way you did in the Comments.
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WTF?
No Chris Brown? Or Kris Brown?
Hater.
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Re: No Browns
I tried to limit myself to only those players I was reasonably confident would actually be on the 53-man roster come Week One.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
....at least you have "other"
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
stability at the QB position is most vital to a teams success
henceforth Matt Schaub is most valuable
most ppl voted for the most talented/best Texan Andre Johnson but if Schaub isnt in the lineup we’re doomed
by HB23 on Apr 30, 2010 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yep
Best player relative to other players at his position in the league is Andre.
Most valuable is Schaub. Hands down.
by OremLK on Apr 30, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hard to argue against
We all know Andre is a beast. He’s the 1st Hall of Fame caliber Texan, but this team is in the shitter without Schaub.
Remember Grossman? Remember Chris Brown? Yeah. We suck when someone else throws the ball.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Apr 30, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hold on
Remember Chris Brown?
That ain’t a fair comparison….not many RB’s throw the ball well….unless you’re talking about another Chris Brown. Doesn’t this team already have enough?
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
not many RB’s throw the ball well
they shouldnt be throwing the ball at all
living the Texas dream
by Joe25 on Apr 30, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Unless your name is Ronnie Brown & you're running the Wildcat
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on May 1, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Or {Insert name of former college QB turned Wild Cat Flavor of the month here}
"380 pounds of pure pirogi" ~ Cush
Schaub
I don’t agree with the statement that the QB is the most vital position, but I think our current line up depends on Schaub more than any other player.
take schaub out the lineup and watch we lose then
everyone knows its a QB driven league idk wat u been hearin
WR isnt the most vital, HB isnt the most vital..
the QB is the head and if u take that away everything crumbles
Reason
I would say that the QB position is extremely important, but like all of the other positions, if the rest of the team is strong then they can overcome a weak QB (i.e. Ravens-Trent Dilfer in 2000). However I WOULD say that the QB is the most vital position for the Texans.
by Big T33 on Apr 30, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dilfer?
Really? Such an overused analogy. And a false one. It required the entire TEAM, a fantastic running game and an absolutely otherworldly Defense to overcome the deficiencies at quarterback.
Peyton damn near went undefeated last year with a below average running game and a middle of the road defense. See the difference? Shitty QB with an outstanding cast, great team. Great QB with a mediocre cast, great team.
If you have a great QB you can afford to not have the best at every position to survive. If you have a shitty QB you had best be bringing a filthy defense, a good O-line and a solid running game.
I voted for Andre
I know Matt is an awesome quarterback, but having the best WR in the league is what makes our offense go. Without a guy who consistently demands double coverage, our passing game becomes much less dangerous.
by cubic on Apr 30, 2010 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
you could have
3 open WR but if the QB cant get it then theres no point. But Andre is the BEST and most Talented Texan
by ketchuppants7 on Apr 30, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
if u dont have a QB worth a dam to throw him the ball
then wats the use of havin the best WR?
he’ll jus rot
i agree
Matt should Be the most Important Texan but i don’t think hes there yet, give him like Two seasons
living the Texas dream
i think hes already there man
that wasnt a fluke bud, but he will prove it again by growing even more with a great season under his belt
what he needs to do is lower his INT's
and get rid of the ball, i will admit that some of his INT’s were tipped passes but if the pass was dead on it wouldnt be tipped and Intercepted
living the Texas dream
yea tips are unpredictable with all the great athletes on the field
his INT’s are kinda high though but i think they were down from the previous year..
it should decrease even more this year with even more confidence
No, not really....
You never know if the next Wes Welker is the guy that replaces AJ when he goes down. You won’t get so lucky when Schaub goes down. It’s all about the pressure my man. A wide receiver has to run his route, beat his man and come down with the ball. A QB has to throw a freagin aired up piece of leather 25 yards down field into man coverage with a 50 ton mack truck screaming "I"M GOING TO EAT YOUR CHILDREN AND RAPE YOUR WIFE FUCKER!!" all the while at least a few million pairs of eyes are watching to see if you will complete the pass. YAY JOHNSON CAUGHT THE BALLL!!!!!!!!! Schaub: “Hey, wait a minute, dude, I pissed down my leg and still got the ball there, can i have some credit please?”
Other than the kicker you won’t find a more high pressure, in the spotlight job in the NFL.
I tried to vote
Frank Okam…. but the other wouldn’t stick!
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Go Texans!
Go hand in hand
Schuab and Dre are equally important. Schuab will have a difficult time producing if AJ is out and vice-versa.
nope the QB is the most important
actually O.D. is more important to Schaub, all TE’s are a QB’s best friend and the O got stagnant for awhile after Daniels got hurt (4 game losing can attest to that)
theyre not equally important
no but...
“first come first serve” this Is Dre’s team and will most likely be his for a few more season’s until Matt can prove that Last Season Wasn’t a Fluke and can produce Constantly. so for now AJ
living the Texas dream
yea Dre is the man Im not takin that from him he has that title
but Im jus sayin that the turn around began when Schaub first arrived and that first preseason game against Arizona I witnessed a QB that was ACTUALLY makin completions all over the field and was movin the chains
it was amazing becuz Carr NEVER did that.. it was always a dumb pass here or a sack there and when Matt came along it was a brand new O mainly cuz of Schaubs poise and pocket presence
glad you brought that game up
Do you Remember how that game ended? i do and thats why i say it will take him a few seasons for him to take control
living the Texas dream
Remember when carr
Had negative passing yards in that game against Oakland? NEGATIVE!! And we still won somehow
It's hard bein whimpy
by WhimpyJimmy on May 1, 2010 3:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
AJ and Schaub
We would be screwed if we lost either one, I’d say they have about equal impacts.
remember the Carr era?
Andre was great but the QB was garbage so Carrs horrible play cancelled out Dre’s greatness
it was basically counter-productive
Funny
I’m the only one who voted for Mario so far.
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You weren't the only one.
I’ve avoided this thread because I think it’s a little silly.
“Oh Matt Schaub is important because without him, who’s gonna throw the ball” followed by “Without Andre, our WR corps would be crap” countered with “but without Schaub, who’s gonna throw the ball to Andre” followed by “But without Chester Pitts and the O-Line, Schaub wouldn’t have the time to throw the ball to Andre so that makes the O-Line the MVP”
It’s hard to choose the Most Valuable Texan. They’re all relative to each other. They all play different positions and their importance is different from one another.
by Jordann on May 3, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Because I read the quoted section in my head with a fake, girly, high-pitched voice.
"380 pounds of pure pirogi" ~ Cush
Why read the question?
Clearly, Andre Johnson will be in the hall of fame, but someone still has to be able to get him the ball. He’s the best wide receiver in the league.
What would the Colts be without Peyton Manning?
I, like the rest of you have often bemoaned the quarterback getting both more blame and more credit than he deserves, but we’re not asking Matt Schaub to just minimize mistakes so the running game and defense can win games for us, we’re asking the offense to win games for us, and the defense to not drop the lead.
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I had to vote for Andre,
Mostly because of his game, but also because the cool calmness, and leadership Andre has he sets the tone for the Offense, Matt was a close second, and I mean he was a ball hair shy of getting my vote
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Go Texans!
most valuable not most talented or body of work
this is QB is the highest paid position and why they wear little red jerseys at practice
cuz if the QB gets hurt then all hell will break loose
I was torn
myself. Does the QB make the team or does a WR make a QB look great? I hear the Mittens argument, but also AJ was young/new as well when Mittens was here.
/shrugs
still had to go with AJ though.
Just my $.02
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I are sam bradford
I are smart
derp dee derp
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by nolander on Apr 30, 2010 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
While I picked AJ
I almost picked Schaub. When he went out against the Jags last year, we were worthless. He came back in and our offense looked unstoppable again…until…well, you know.
Exactly
And once the starting QB goes down is when you need an “MVP” player to take over the game and minimize the loss. Instead, Johnson all but disappeared because our MVP was sitting on the sidelines and Andre had no one to get him the ball. On the flip side, there have been times where Johnson has had to leave the game and the offense generally kept moving up and down the field, rather than stopping dead in its tracks like it did when Schaub went out.
I don’t think QBs are always the most vital players on a team, but when you’re one of the league’s top passing offenses, have zero ground game, and a collection of bums backing up your starter… it’s a pretty safe bet that your starting QB is going to be pretty darn vital.
While AJ is the best athlete and player on the team
and also would be on the short list of best players in the NFL, we have no proven backup to Schaub. As tragic as losing AJ would be, we have other decent weapons at WR, while we have no QB2 that would be expected to win more than ~1/3 of our games. AJ missed games in 2005 and 2007, and while we were worse because of his absence, we weren’t horrible. If we had a QB situation like Philly had last year with Kolb backing up Donovan, then AJ would be the most valuable player. We do not, though which makes Matt the most important player to keep on the field for all 16 games in 2010.
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by oiler-texan diehard on Apr 30, 2010 10:22 PM CDT reply actions
1 vote glover quinn, 2 votes other.
Seriously…I think those three people have parkinsons and can’t use their mouse properly.
Jacoby is my ghostwriter.
Loesche is probably one of the "Other" votes
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 30, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Should have made
Dunta an option and I wouldn’t have choosen other
by AllenOU on May 1, 2010 1:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Andre
Noone on this team has been such an important player for this long in a Texans jersey. Most valuable Texan, which I combine to be a best player/most needed/lifetime achievement.
1. Talent: In order for our passing game to be successful (ex, 4,000 yds+), we need an elite receiver, and Andre is the best physical receiver in the NFL.
2. Value off the field. The fact it took him so long to become recognized as an elite WR on a lousy squad wasn’t so much a knock on his talent, but merely a testament to his character, like his willingness to keep his mouth shut, his dances to himself, his firearm from shooting himself or a gun he owns kill a man that claims shot him (you can probably guess all these guys). He’s a stand-up citizen just by not being a fool!
3. Overall: Let’s face it, Andre is looking at a potential HOF career, if for nothing else, than for being so awesome, he made David Carr look good every once in a while.
Our football teams in Texas are like our people. The Texans are like the honest, hard-working, blue-collar men that earned what they had and built this state into the place it is. The Cowboys are like the politicians and tycoons that just act like buffoons and make everyone hate us. Essentially, Bob McNair=Stephen F. Austin, Jerry Jones=Sam Houston.
Best Texan = Andre --------- Most Valuable = Schaub
Without AJ the Texans would still win 7 or 8 games.
Without Schaub they’d win 3.
I think you have the poll confused for a Disney movie
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Her Vagina has a foot
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Winning season... Check. Higher expectation bar... big Check.
by BattleRedHusker on May 1, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Sadly...
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by bigfatdrunk on May 1, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I voted Pollard - don't want him mad at me
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
He might crush
your bones to make his bread!
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Go Texans!
A Future Star
Newest edition to the Texans is Long Snapper Jonathan Weeks a future MVP!!! He is a great person and whole-heartedly commited to excellence. He is an extremely hard worker and is willing to do what it takes to get the job done! The Texans are lucky to have him! Good luck this season I can’t wait to follow the team!
Been together??? lol
LOL He is just a friend that I’m very proud of! Got the chance to get to know him in class and was inspired by his drive and the hard work that he was willing to put in to get where he wanted to be. I think the Texans will do very well with him. I’m very excited to follow the team, I wanna see em beat up on the Colts! Texans are gonna be #1 in the AFC South this season!!! :)
Hey guys – Just FYI… You guys have the 5th youngest OL in the NFL…
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2010/5/2/1454582/age-and-the-ol-why-the-2010
by JimmyK on May 2, 2010 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well, crap
I’d love to post, but I can’t. I did rec.
Outstanding post. Lots of pretty awesome research there.
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what about dr?
ryans should get alot more votes. he calls the plays, best player on defense, seen bassically every offensive play imag thrown at him, emotional leader. i mean hes on qb on defense.
Ditto?
I think it’s a defensive guy, as well. Either DeMeco or Mario, though I went with Mario.
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I thought you were saying Dr. Ryans lol...
I was about to say I knew DeJesus was the man but i didn’t know he finished med school since joining the Texans… thanx to you any time i see Demeco Hit someone I will wonder if he used med school to break bones…
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Really?
How many games did we win with defense last year? I’m not saying that defense isn’t important, or even important to our game, but we hardly win games with tough d. It has to be an offensive player.
Positional value
There is a reason quarterbacks, left tackles, and passrushing defensive ends are the highest drafted ( in that order ) and highest paid ( also in that order ) – the NFL is a quarterback driven league. Protecting your qb and attacking opponents qb are the next most important things to do. If we replace any one player on our team with a mediocre player, far and away the biggest drop off in wins would be if we replaced Matt Schaub with an average qb. It’s not by accident that the majority of teams picking top 10 in the draft need help with the big three needs, and the bottom ten generally have those settled. Great receivers do make qbs look better, but I personally feel that more often good qbs make average to good recievers look like superstars. Matt is the most valuable texan, even above Andre and Mario and Demeco – though a loss of any of them would be a serious blow to the Texans
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by Riott on May 3, 2010 12:26 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Easy!
Andre but Matt Schaub, Owen, and Cushing follow not far behind! Cushing is a beast out there! We gotta make the playoffs this season, no reason at all not to we got the talent for sure!
Most VALUABLE Player is Schaub
Most BEST Player is Andre.
Yes Andre opens up the field for everything in our offense, but he cant do anything if Schaub doesnt get him the ball. Our biggest worry every year is Schaub’s health because we know we are screwed if he gets hurt. If Andre is not healthy than our passing game takes a hit but Schaub would still be throwin darts to Owen, Kevin, Jacoby, Joel, and DA.
Its basically the same reason why LeBron won NBA MVP and not Kobe. If you take LeBron off the Cavs they would maybe make the playoffs but if you take Kobe off the Lakers they would still win a playoff series at least. Kobe might be better than Bron (I dont think so) but LeBron is more VALUABLE.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
Haha
At first I thought you said Andre was The Most Beast…..which he is, but I, for some reason, like The Most Best.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Andre for the MBP
Most Beastly Player!!!
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Go Texans!
by Taco Joe on May 4, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Or is he really Beast???
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Go Texans!
by Taco Joe on May 4, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for using Xmen and Andre Johnson in the same post
I actually voted for Teh Schaub. But it was heart wrenching b/c Andre is the Ultimate Texans player.
Let’s just remember to cancel the negative hypotheticals and just concentrate on those two staying perfectly healthy for many seasons to come.
Better yet, let’s just focus on making sure that the whole team stays healthy! Maybe the BRB reader who buys us wins with cinnamon rolls can focus on keeping the team healthy too ;-).
by BattleRedFan on May 4, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jordan
you shall now be dragged by your pinkies out to a field and flogged!!!! Read the Sig because you are now on my silly asian kuhniggits list!!!
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Go Texans!
haha
I didnt say Most Beast, but now that you mention it I regret not saying “Most BEAST Player is Andre” Either way Andre is Most Best and Most Beast.
To all Houston sports fans, Houston is the 4th biggest city in America, there will be traffic on the way to your respective sports game. Come Early, Be Loud, Stay Late.
I voted for Steve Slaton
What a bad assed name right? How could you NOT vote for him. Steve Slaton…Steve Slays Tons of bitches. Steve “the slate” Slaton…he’s a brick…house
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