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RiverSide Chat: DraftZoo.com's Hunter Ansley

Last time we did one of these, I gave you guys one of the more well-known internet Mock Drafters in DraftCountdown's Scott Wright.  Today, like an expert metaphor stretcher that stretches football metaphors to work in the context I want them to in spite of common sense, I'm going to go a little lower on the draft board and give you a sleeper interview: DraftZoo.com's Hunter Ansley.  

I did some chit-chatting with Hunter at the scouting combine and found him to be very down-to-earth, with a soothing southern drawl that is not unlike our own MDC.  Hunter publishes DraftZoo.com, but has written things that have appeared all over the place: Denver newspapers, ESPN the Magazine, and so forth.  If you have a Twitter and are so inclined, you can follow him at @DraftZoo.  Hunter also thinks that Tim Tebow is the best prospect in the NFL draft.  Is that enough to get you to click "Continue reading this post"?  

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Rivers McCown: You have Kyle Wilson on virtually even ground with Joe Haden on your draft board, with Haden 8th and Wilson 10th.  What do you think separates the two as prospects?  Does Wilson not playing in a Big Six conference alter your read on him?

Hunter Ansley:  I don't know if I've ever graded two prospects at the same position as closely as Wilson and Haden.  They've both got incredible game film resumes, great recovery speed, good recognition, etc etc.  The fact that I have Wilson slightly below Haden is more of a nod to how good I believe Haden is, not a slight to Wilson.  The competition factors in some, but at the FBS level, football players are football players, in my opinion.  The one thing that slightly separates them in my mind is Wilson's tendency to gamble more often.  Sometimes it pays huge dividends, but he can occasionally get caught out of position due to such an aggressive nature.

RM: A lot of recent talk in Houston has Ryan Mathews as a possibility to be picked at #20.  Do you think this would be an overdraft?  Would Mathews fit the scheme as well as some scouts are saying he would?

HA:  I like Ryan Matthews.  I'm higher on him than some.  But I do think taking him at 20th would be a reach, especially for the Texans.  I think Houston can be successful on the ground with Steve Slaton and Arian Foster.  When you lose a guy like Dunta Robinson, and you play in the same division as Peyton Manning, you have to go secondary in the first round.  There should be a bevy of choices on the board there from Devin McCourty to Kareem Jackson to Earl Thomas.  I just don't think Ryan Matthews is a good enough prospect to be a must-pick when there are holes in the secondary.

RM: Compared to some other draft sites I've seen, you're a little low on the offensive line group as a whole after Russell Okung and Brian Bulaga.  You have both Mike Iupati and Maurkice Pouncey outside of the top 32 players.  Is this a bias against going offensive line (and interior line in particular) in the first round, or are these guys both overvalued in your mind?

HA:  That's a tough call.  I don't value interior linemen very highly, but I think it's important to grade prospects on an individual basis, not solely on what position they play.  The reason I've got Iupati and Pouncey a little lower than some is again not a slight to them, but more of a statement on the talent in this draft.  Both are excellent players, and I have both going in the first round of my latest mock, but I do believe there are 32 better prospects in this class.

RM: After Haden, Wilson, and perhaps Devin McCourty, there seems to be a huge scrum of cornerbacks in the second-third round range.  Which of these are you high on?  Which ones make more sense for a team that plays a little more zone than average?  Which ones should be completely avoided?

HA: That's a great point.  After the consensus top three guys, it gets a little murky. I'd probably throw Kareem Jackson in there as the fourth best guy right now, but I think he's got some competition.  He's got great man coverage skills.  As for zone guys, I'm really high on Amari Spievey out of Iowa.  He carries some off-the-field baggage in a small way (left Iowa to go JUCO before returning), but he is an excellent open-field tackler, and in a zone defense that is a highly underrated trait of successful corners.  He's got good size and strength, and he possesses the awareness needed to play in space.  I think he'll be a great surprise for any team that gets him.

RM: You've named Ben Tate one of your most underrated prospects.  A lot of Texans fans around BRB are clamoring for Montario Hardesty.  Which of these would you prefer if you were running a zone blocking scheme?  Are there any other running backs that should enter the second-fourth round calculus for the Texans?

HA:  I think Hardesty is a great fit for the zone blocking scheme.  When you look at how successful he was last year in that scheme, it's hard to call him anything but a solid prospect there.  I like Tate better overall, but I think that Hardesty fits Houston's scheme a little better.  I have Tate headed to Houston in my latest mock, but that's more of a nod to his ability to burst through the hole and pick up tough yardage without fumbling, which I think Houston could be looking for.  But as an every down back in a zone scheme, I've got to go with Hardesty. Of course, I do think that Tate can succeed in that system as well, but Hardesty is a proven commodity there.

RM: I would say that the plurality of BRB posters think Earl Thomas in the first round is the perfect match of value, need, position, and home state.  Do you believe the notion that he could play some cornerback or slot corner?  Given the Denver-Texans Shanahan roots that I know that you are familiar with, do you think it's actually possible that they would pick a safety in the first round?

HA: I think Earl Thomas would be a great pick, don't get me wrong.  But only if the top three or four corners are off the board.  I just think cornerback is that much more of a need.  As for Thomas playing some corner, I think he could, but I don't want to see it.  I think Thomas is a great centerfielder who possesses excellent ball skills over the top.  When you take him out of that spot, there's going to be a learning curve.  With the current secondary situation in Houston, I don't think they have the luxury of taking a safety and molding him into a corner, which will take some time.  If he's the best available on their board, then by all means take him, he'll be a great safety.  But I don't like the idea of moving him around.

RM: I imagine you get asked this plenty, but here we go again.  You've got Tim Tebow not as a first round pick, not as a top 10 pick, but as the number one overall player on your entire draft board.  This comes with an accompanying article here.  Has Tebow's inability to come through in this year's SEC game changed your mind on him at all?  Have you seen anything in the process so far that would make you question your initial judgement?

HA: I don't see the inability.  I think this is a guy that played in a funny offense that hides deficiencies of a lot of quarterbacks, but I don't see the deficiencies with Tebow.  When you look at the VAST improvements he made from the Senior Bowl to his pro day as far as his release is concerned, I don't know how you can doubt his ability to transition to an NFL offense.  Will it take some time?  Sure, it takes time for ALL rookie quarterbacks.  But this is a guy with zero physical limitations, a stellar track-record, unquestioned work ethic and character, and elite leadership skills.  Sounds like a perfect quarterback to me.  He's going to need some coaching, but he made more reads in Florida's offense than anyone gives him credit for, and I honestly think that the negative views on his pro prospects are more a result of media-saturation than actual weaknesses.  I'm not going to be the guy who doubts him.  He's the best long-term investment in this draft, in my opinion.  Let me know how many people stop reading after this answer..

RM: Other than Tebow, what players do you feel strongly one way or another about in this draft in contrast to conventional wisdom?

HA:  Haha, after Tebow, I think it'd be hard for anyone to measure up, but I'll try.  Jason Pierre-Paul is one of the most overrated players I've ever seen.  Has it been that long since Vernon Gholston was drafted?  This is a guy with unlimited potential, but he had only one season of FBS football, and he wasn't especially productive in that year anyway.  When you factor in that he played across from a great college player in George Selvie, you start to wonder why he wasn't able to do more on the football field.  His combine numbers will get him drafted very early, but this is a small chance of boom with a giant heap of bust.  I wouldn't touch him in the first two rounds.  

On the flip side, I think that people are making a mistake by forgetting about Eric Decker.  If he can get back to 100%, he'll be a steal.  Smart, productive receiver with good size and underrated route-running ability.  He's a much better athlete than he gets credit for.  And I want to mention Keaton Kristick as a late round guy that could really surprise.  He's another player labeled with the "college player, not pro player" stigma that really surprised with his athleticism at the combine, and he plays with an attitude that reminds me a lot of Clay Matthews.

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I'd like to thank Mr. Ansley for his time, and please give him some love in the comments for responding with such detailed answers, even if he has apparently drunk a little too much of the Dunta Robinson Kool-Aid.  

The more of these I do, the more I get excited about the possibility of Amari Spievey in the second, and the Kyle Wilson answer is a little reassuring to someone who wasn't entirely ready to be happy with him at #20, should he be the pick  It's also refreshing to see someone who thinks Mathews would be a reach at #20.  Your thoughts BRB?  Any other mock draft sites you think I should chase for this series?

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MDC sounding like Mickey Mouse / C&W Adrock.

There, that’s taken care of.

" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown

by MDC on Apr 6, 2010 4:35 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

It's epic since ..

santa stopped after 3 HOs, but tiger woods kept going until 10 HOs.

by typhoon.infamous on Apr 6, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Steve McNair had more yards against the Patriots than Kerry Collins

Collins lost 7 yards, McNair only lost 2

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Apr 7, 2010 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like this guy...because he shares a lot of my views.

Even though he likes Mathews, he calls him a reach at 20 and a reach for the Texans. He calls Hardesty the better, full-time fit for the Texans right now, and that you don’t draft Earl Thomas to play CB.

It’s almost as if I’m not crazy…

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 6, 2010 4:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Almost

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Apr 6, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just remember

Your current “proof” hinges around someone that has Jesus Tebow ranked at the top. And thinks that Dunta left a hole, as opposed to “dug a hole” in Houston.

But seriously, I absolutely love having someone with your depth of knowledge concerning the draft class. Keep it up TDC.

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Apr 6, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

So many words

Can you post the condensed version? Or maybe a book on tape?

"380 pounds of pure pirogi" ~ Cush

by LoneSpot on Apr 6, 2010 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Next time

I’ll try to write about this interview’s impact on 1930’s court cases.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 6, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tebow #1?

Man, Jacksonville’s gonna get the steal of the draft when they take him tenth overall.

Great post, Rivers.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Apr 6, 2010 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Tim Tebow

Doesn’t worry about where he’s getting drafted because it’s not going to matter after the rapture anyway.

by JimboTexan on Apr 6, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Im calling it now

Its Tebow on the white horse.

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Apr 6, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now that I'm done chugging a fifth of vodka

Oh nevermind, I give up. Fuck it. Let’s just draft him and rename the team the Jacksonville Freebirds.

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by Jonathan Loesche on Apr 6, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'd go only if Lynard Skynard plays Freebird live at every home game

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Apr 7, 2010 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your post

makes me want to stand, holding a Miller Lite in my right hand, and lit cigarette lighter aloft in my left

by kozanack on Apr 7, 2010 4:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Loesche

Please make sure to e-mail me a number at which you can be reached during the NFL Draft. When the Jags draft Tebow, I want to be able to do a welfare check.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Apr 7, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I just want to be able...

to send 300 texts of nothing but HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown

by MDC on Apr 7, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

banned

for bringing it up


Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on Apr 8, 2010 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

*ahem*
BANNED!

FTFY

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Apr 8, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you get that number we should probably put someone on suicide watch

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Apr 7, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aside from

The Tebow insanity, good stuff- I like these interviews of various draft writers. I’d be interested if any of them have an opinion on the Texans draft philosophy as a whole based on their evaluations of our previous drafts.

by JimboTexan on Apr 6, 2010 6:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Texans Chick did just that about a week ago.

You’ll find it over at the Chomicle.

A Texas Wannabe, born and raised in New Zealand. Currently located 7539 miles South west of Houston.

by distant_texans_fan on Apr 7, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tebow

is not a better prospect than McCoy or Bradford. For all the same reasons he just gave, Bradford and McCoy are just as good or better than Tebow. Both are high character guys, great work ethic, natural leaders, played for giant schools in giant games, both are athletically gifted, and played in offenses that GROSSLY hid the inadequacies of wide receivers (particularly McCoy in Texas), not to mention McCoy had NO running game and NO tight end, and mediocre o-line, yet he still ends is career as the most winning QB of all time. iono, ya, i’m a longhorn, and i luv mccoy.

as far as earl thomas, if he’s there, there’s no way we pass on him. This is a very deep 2nd-3rd round of cb class. I know alot of BRB’ers like Morgan Burnett, but the way things are going, maybe even he isn’t available in the 2nd. get the BPA at every pick….i think that should be the mentality in this year’s draft.

by wiseonekms on Apr 6, 2010 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

It'll be unpopular here (and I feel like I need to apologize to Mack ahead of time) but...

I would take Tim Tebow over Colt McCoy. I like Tebow’s potential, his athleticism and size, his durability, and his versatility.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 6, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

...and his ability

to heal sick and injured teammates.

" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown

by MDC on Apr 7, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

can he be drafted into the NBA too?

If he can, he would be the Rockets’ 1st round draft pick.
I’m calling it already.

by typhoon.infamous on Apr 7, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tebow on the Rockets healing our injured players?

Maybe we would have a shot at the championship

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Apr 7, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Amari Spievey in the second round

It gives the team flexibility with the first round pick. I don’t think Spievey will be chosen before some of the other second round corners so it’s a good chance he falls to us.

Also, thanks Rivers for doing these interviews.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 6, 2010 8:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Spievey's fine...

I just wish he were a bit faster….which is what separates him and McCourty in my opinion….McCourty’s speed (he’s the fastest CB in the entire draft) really makes him an asset coming off the edge on a blitz or to block a kick or return kicks.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 6, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought he had a low 4.5 time?

I find that good enough for a zone corner. I don’t know a whole lot about Spievey, so does he play faster than he runs like Haden?

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 6, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

He did put up a 4.49...4.53

And that’s fine, but McCourty had sub-4.4 times.

Spivey wouldn’t be a bad second round pick….would actually be a great 2nd round corner for us, but given a choice…I’d take the faster guy because McCourty has used that speed to block a lot of kicks. I find that appealing. Versatility can’t be overrated.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 6, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just saying if we don't go corner in the first

Say Dan Williams is on the board at 20, you would take Dan Williams over a CB in the first, right? If we go anything but corner in the first, we need a CB in the second who will come in and be able to possibly be that #1 corner at least for one season.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 6, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah...you nailed it.

If we went Williams, Spivey, Petrus/Tate/Hardesty, and Myron Lewis……shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. I’d be thrilled.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 6, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like that draft

and I like that you added Myron Lewis to the end there. He just makes sense in the fourth. After hearing MDC talk about Petrus, I had to check him out some more. He sounds good. I’m not sure if he should be the choice over Hardesty yet, but I think he’s the most likely to be at our spot in the third. What’s your view on that spot?

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 6, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

The 3rd is really a choice

I only say Tate/Hardesty because everyone wants us to take a RB. However, recent arguments are swaying me to believe….we don’t need a RB and maybe we should just invest in the OL.

A guard could be huge for the entire offense…especially a beast like Petrus.

I think that’s why I love the Texans draft this year….is that A) our needs our few (compared to previous years) and B) there’s a LOT of flexibility. We can go DT, CB, RB, OG, FS in almost any combination (except for RB 1st, haha).

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 6, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm in the same camp

I used to believe we needed a RB quite badly as well, but if you consider value in this year’s draft, there’s plenty of depth at that position later especially if you consider the possibility of a rotation b/w Foster, Slaton and ‘x’ regardless of which ever RB we draft. Making a 1st or 2nd round pick of a RB, kinda redundant.

It would make alot of sense to invest in finding starters out of this year’s draft: which is why i’m all for going DB the 1st 2-3 rounds. If we went FS, CB, CB, that’s fine. or CB, FS, CB, that’s fine too, and then invest the mid-round picks on interior OL.

Here’s hoping Earl Thomas is available at #20. oh, and did anyone catch some of Kyle Wilson’s workout?? the guy is a FREAK. he is reaallly quick…i’m softening up on the idea of taking him as well…

by wiseonekms on Apr 7, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really like willso

But the more I look at the less I think he will fall all the way to 20. But I sure hope he does.

You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB

by Texans-Brocos on Apr 7, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Versatility can’t be overrated."

Word the fuck up.

" If CB is a big hole, Dunta was the shovel."
- Rivers McCown

by MDC on Apr 7, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Slaton/Foster is all we need at RB

I really don’t think our rushing problem is with the running back position. I believe that it begins with the offensive line. If the OL can’t block their defenders then the defenders are free to tackle the running back. But, more importantly, why is the running game even that important? Look at the Colts. Absolutely no running game. Passing, in today’s football, is far more important than rushing. Rushing is credible for controlling the time with the lead in the fourth quarter and also in setting up for play action.

Often, commentator’s say when X running back gets Y (Y = a high number) amount of carries, the team wins. This is misleading because by the time the running back is stacking up those runs his team is already winning because rushing is less risky in turnovers and he is getting those rushes to run out the clock. Slaton has proved himself to be a good RB and Foster blossomed at the end of last season. I would like to see this tandem blossom before throwing our hands in the air and throwing in the white flag to a draft pick for a RB.

by PMJ001 on Apr 6, 2010 11:41 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

well said!

Especially this part

Often, commentator’s say when X running back gets Y (Y = a high number) amount of carries, the team wins. This is misleading because by the time the running back is stacking up those runs his team is already winning because rushing is less risky in turnovers and he is getting those rushes to run out the clock.

However, having a reliable running game does “keep the defense honest”. Which gives us a better chance to win games. I think you’re right — a running game is not essential to win games. But you gave me a reason to wonder . . .was New Orleans’ running game better than Indianapolis’ running game? Given that Indianapolis had one of the worst running games in the league (bottom 3? if not the absolute bottom?)

If the quarter back has an off day? or maybe the QB is hitting on all cylinders but the receivers aren’t getting past the corner backs? Then maybe the running game becomes a way to combat that threat?

=) you just made me wonder is all. I don’t know the answer for certain.

by BattleRedFan on Apr 6, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

and if I'm remembering this year's superbowl correctly

it wasn’t the New Orleans running game that won the game per se . . .it was more that awesome cornerback intercepting Peyton Manning. Or if it wasn’t that .. it certainly turned the game around about then.

Could the Colts have known Peyton Manning would get intercepted? of course not.
Would a more reliable running game made them use the running weapon instead of going for Manning’s throwing the ball late in the game? We’ll never know — but it does make you wonder if there isn’t a grain of truth to the myth that you HAVE to have a running game to win.

NFL.com list of the 32 NFL teams offenses ranked according to rushing (assuming I used the tool correctly)

I didn’t KNOW this before I looked it up but I think I found the right list about the running games for the 32 teams. So here it shows that the colts were dead last in running game and look how far they got?

Look at where New Orleans got with a #6 offensive rushing team. AND to totally blow my theory out of the water? Look at where the JETS got with a #1 offensive rushing game.

shrug someone here probably knows the answer =)

by BattleRedFan on Apr 7, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Jets got where they were with defense, not offense.

Of course, if noted franchise quarterback Mark Sanchez starts throwing, then that team gets scary.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter

by riversmccown on Apr 7, 2010 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sanchez actually had a rather good game against the Colts(according to stats)

The defense simply folded against Manning. Who doesn’t though?

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on Apr 7, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

About New Orleans running game

Their whole success was because of their O-line. That O-line dominated most games. They also bought Brees all the time he needed. I think they only allowed 20 sacks with their original starting pro bowl LT out for the entire season. I think the Saints speak volumes on the importance of the O-line.

They did it with two undrafted RBs and Reggie Bush. Point I’m trying to make with that is that once you have the O-line made, anyone can run behind it.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 7, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

so then?

maybe an excellent running game is a symptom of a solid Offensive line that let’s only narrow rays of sunlight through?

by BattleRedFan on Apr 7, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

you know . . .

it was that Super Bowl game where I finally understood what an excellent corner back can do for a team. Funny that I never figured it out watching Dunta . . .

I truly never understood the meaning of the concept “cornerback” until I saw it in action against Peyton Manning.

by BattleRedFan on Apr 7, 2010 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1 for being well-said

One thing to add about the Colts…

Last season, they drafted a running back in round 1 (Donald Brown) to address the running game. He only had 250something yards on the year. This offseason what do we see? We see them completely revamping their offensive line (talking about upgrading 2 or 3 starters if you pay attention to their offseason moves).

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 6, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

aside from keeping defenses honest...

running the ball is important also because it is the best way to win the battle of the trenches. Run blocking keeps your o-line attacking the opposing defense (as opposed to retreating, which is what happens with a pass block). Sticking with a running game also tends to keep your own defense off the field, more often than not.

When added up over a four or five month season, a successful/consistent rushing attack pays a huge dividend for any football team.

Running the ball is also typically a very high percentage play, though I will admit that an effective rushing attack isn’t always a luxury that every single team has at its disposal.

And I do agree that many of these modern organizations have shied away from running, some out of situational necessity, with others purposely just refusing to use it. Ultimately, it only leads them to underachieve their highest potentials.

There are certainly many different ways to win in the NFL. A couple of severely pass heavy teams have even won Super Bowls before, but they are actually “exceptions to the rule”.

A rushing attack is usually always the first priority when keeping a football TEAM well rounded. And face it, if you plan to win a team championship in a team sport…

Even Peyton’s Colts had their most balanced and physical all-around football team, the one time that they actually happened to win the Super Bowl.

A list of the most ridiculous late season collapses and underachieving teams in NFL history also happens to include some of the most passing-reliant teams of all time. For example : the Oilers (remember them?) and Bills of the early ’90s; the Marino-led Dolphin teams; the “Greatest Show on Turf” Rams teams; and the infamous 18-1 Patriots of 2007, to name just a few.

by Cut Block on Apr 7, 2010 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Well I only looked at 2009 so I don't know if its an exception to the average or not, but....

Top 12 rushing teams from 2009? Jets, BESFs, Panthers, Dolphins, Ravens, Saints, Cowboys, Browns, Bengals, Jaguars, Chiefs, and Patriots.

Passing top 12? Texans, Colts, Pats, Saints, Chargers, Cowboys, Packers, Vikings, Steelers, Eagles, Giants, and Cardinals.

Half of the rushing top teams weren’t in the playoffs compared to 3 of the passing top 12 (who all just missed the playoffs). I’m a bit shocked by this number, but like I said….dunno if it’s been the norm or is an exception to the rule. Just something to chew on.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 7, 2010 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

and am I reading your lists right?

are the Saints the only team that is top 12 in both sides? passing and rushing?

That seems to prove Cut Block’s point that the balanced team is more likely to win a Superbowl than the unbalanced team.

by BattleRedFan on Apr 7, 2010 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

right

As far as looking at their body of work over a season, because as was pointed out already, the Colts outgained the Saints in the SB in rushing yardage (I think they also called more running plays).

I honestly felt that the Saints blew some early chances to gain control of that game by refusing to run in a few cases. Whatever though, they do hold the trophy.

by Cut Block on Apr 7, 2010 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

so Kubiak isn't QUITE the crazy Aggie I thought he was ;-)

Bah! All this time I thought he was just blathering about meaningless nonsense talking about wanting a better running game b/c he wants a balanced team.

I too would point to our nemesis , Peyton Manning and say “see? look whose team has a worse running game than ours. And look at their undefeated record” (this was before they rolled over and played dead and incurred the wrath of so many).

I’m starting to get it now =D.

Now I can look at the more balanced New Orleans Saints and see what Kubiak is aiming for. I’d rather look up to the New Orleans Saints as a success model than look up to the Jets as a success model. The Saints are classier ;-).

by BattleRedFan on Apr 7, 2010 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the bigger reason of why the Saints finally won

is that their defense had an identity: Takeaway Crazy.

They’ve had the offense that can move the ball…but this year, they had a defense.

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by TexansDC on Apr 7, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are these teams relying heavily on one or the other, or are we just considering a rank of yardage output, or whatever?

But I actually believe this (a heavy reliance on passing) has indeed been trending towards the passing and away from rushing more and more, for some time now.

The last two Super Bowl Champion teams were both very passing dependent, especially the ’08 Steelers.

Still, I think this has more to do with a lack of roster continuity for teams the league year to year, and the prefrences of some modern coaches, rather than an indictment of phyiscal offensive football.

by Cut Block on Apr 7, 2010 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't we go over this already?

I thought we all agreed that we need to improve the run game and to do that, we need to improve the O-line.

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 7, 2010 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah you probably did

but it finally makes complete sense to me. I’m slow.

by BattleRedFan on Apr 7, 2010 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

and sure, it begins with the O-Line

but it’s also not like we could ever allow the RB depth to decay yet somehow expect the running attack to improve regardless

now I will say that I’m OK with the backs we already have, although I can’t say I have any idea what Slaton will be able to do for us this year

and it is all null and void anyway, if our backs continue to fumble all the time and/or the referees magically create even more fumbles on top of the legit ones :)

by Cut Block on Apr 7, 2010 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Steve Slaton will be a BEAST

yeah, I don’t know. I did not mean to make it sound like I was questioning you, Cut Block. I meant to it more as a joke to everyone as why do we always go back to this discussion of the running game. My “we” was supposed to be more encompassing than just you and I (if you wanted to talk about you and I, we will have to go somewhere for a more private discussion). I understand that guys miss posts and so these long discussions get missed, but we’ve had these talks about running the ball for at least a month (slight exaggeration but not by much). I know it’s the off-season and things get said over and over again, so hey, what’s the harm in another discussion?

by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 7, 2010 3:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good second post

And I agree. But I also wouldn’t be broken up if we drafted a RB. I just don’t want it to be a first rounder.

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by riversmccown on Apr 7, 2010 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just saw on mothership...

Foster is listed as #23 now. Guess he ditched 37

by HoustonTransplant on Apr 7, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jim Carrey approves of this change

Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed

by DaGoaT on Apr 7, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

as long as he stays pterodactyl

and doesn’t turn into mop of suckage I’m fine with it

by HoustonTransplant on Apr 7, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kubes has a strong belief in

running the ball. He puts ALOT of value on being able to run effectively against 7 and 8-man boxes because that’s how you impose your will on a team. People tend to think of Kubes as a ‘soft’ coach lacking the cojones to be a great one, but the truth is he puts the trust in his players to outperform (knock the p** out of) and outplay the opposition and when his players don’t respond (much of last year), he looks horrible. The guy will call the same play 15 times in a game even if its not working (at times to a detriment).

He WILL NOT allow the running game to be anywhere near as ineffective as it was last year. OL and RBs contributed evenly to the shoddiness of the running game. With signing Wade Smith, I’m almost certain Kubes will use the 1st (dear god please don’t) or 2nd on an RB and look to the 4th to pick up an OG.

by leacheatsbabies on Apr 7, 2010 8:41 AM CDT reply actions  

would it be cooler if we flipped that order around?

and picked up the OG in the first round and the RB in the 4th? considering that our RB squad isn’t the absolute worst (admittedly not the absolute proven best YET)

OL and RBs contributed evenly to the shoddiness of the running game.

hmmm ok I see what you mean. yeah.

by BattleRedFan on Apr 7, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

hehe ok well said here
People tend to think of Kubes as a ‘soft’ coach lacking the cojones to be a great one, but the truth is he puts the trust in his players to outperform (knock the p** out of) and outplay the opposition and when his players don’t respond (much of last year), he looks horrible. The guy will call the same play 15 times in a game even if its not working (at times to a detriment).

and yeah I can see why he might do that. I bet it’s not because he’s insane (repeating the same action over and over expecting a differend result) but because there are 2 parts to winning games sometimes.

there’s :
1) strategy
2) execution
3) personnel

ok so THREE things.

But even so sometimes it’s not the strategy that’s a problem and not necessarily the competencies of the personnel but their execution of the strategies.

so again

the truth is he puts the trust in his players to outperform (knock the p** out of) and outplay the opposition

that makes alot of sense.

by BattleRedFan on Apr 7, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

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