If Not Ryan Mathews, Who Do You Want?
by Mike Kerns on Apr 7, 2010 11:43 AM CDT
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Obviously, there is some major debate on Battle Red Blog lately over the opinions of Fresno State RB Ryan Mathews and his potential drafting by your Houston Texans. Some are for it, many are against it. While I think he would be a terrific fit here, I'm not a fan of taking him with #20 overall.
But it got me to thinking. If we don't go RB in the first and decide to go that way in the second round, who would I want?
There are plenty of intriguing backs in this draft that should be available in the second round. Houston has the 51st pick overall and it wouldn't be surprising in the least to see them go RB if they address defense (like they should) in the first. But putting aside all of the "What they SHOULD do" in the second round, let's say that it is a hypothetical foregone conclusion that Smithiak is taking a RB there. Who would you want?
Many of the backs in this draft moved up the boards with their combine or pro day workouts and 40 times. But this draft is deep and there should be a handful of pretty good backs still available when Houston goes on the clock with their 2nd pick. Likely to be there are the following guys: Ben Tate, Jonathan Dwyer, Jahvid Best, Toby Gerhart and Montario Hardesty (Joe McKnight of USC is close, but he looks to be a 3rd rounder at the earliest).
Now, Best and Dwyer could be gone by this point, but you never know. But of those five guys I just reeled off, which would you want and why? I wrote this morning about how my personal pick would be Ben Tate of Auburn. But I think Jonathan Dwyer may be a good pick should he fall. His game reminds me a lot of Glen Coffee, who Kubiak admitted to being on the teams board last year. So if he is there, I wouldn't imagine the team passing on him. I really don't believe Jahvid Best would be a good fit here and I believe he will be long gone by pick 51. Toby Gerhart is a very intriguing guy here. He just oozes Mike Alstott potential and looks to be Houston's answer to punching the ball in at the goalline. I wouldn't be disappointed with Gerhart at all. Hardesty also wouldn't look bad in the Texans backfield. But I am sticking with my pick of Ben Tate.
So, what say you BRB nation? If you HAD to pick a RB with our 2nd overall pick and those guys were all available, who you got and why?
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Why do the Texans need to draft that high for a RB?
Why not Deji Karim? I think the Texans could spend there first four rounds of draft picks more wisely than using it on a RB.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
FTA
So, what say you BRB nation? If you HAD to pick a RB with our 2nd overall pick and those guys were all available, who you got and why?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
by nolander on Apr 7, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
None of the above
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I agree
But like I said in the post, this is a “who would you take if you HAD to pick a RB here?”
I think the majority of us here think we shouldn’t take a RB until the 3rd at the earliest.
It's a hypothetical
…since the team might seriously consider doing it.
I went with...
Gerhart.
I just think we need a guy who can really pound the rock in short yardage situations.
We have 2 guys in Foster and Slaton that both have big play potential, so I don’t see any reason to take someone similar, and with Gerhart, we won’t be running that terrible Chris Brown draw play, as he can get behind his pads and knock the piss outta people.
Aslo, should there be a poll vote for "none of the above"?
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I have posting privileges
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I vote, None of the above.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Flagged as troll.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
by nolander on Apr 7, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hi troll
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I'm a little curious as to who, besides those guys, you would have to take in the 2nd round?
Sorry if that sounds sarcastic or mean or whatever I’m actually wondering cause it never hurts to have more opinions and information
The 2nd round...
outside of running back…feasible options include:
CBs like Kareem Jackson, Brandon Ghee, New Scrabble (the long name from UPI)
FS like Morgan Burnett
OG/T like Vladmir Ducasse or Rodger Saffold
I think Cody and Thomas are both gone, which would leave small UTs like Lamarr Houston or Geno Atkins or Tyson Alualu
"Lord, beer me strength."
I said Gerhart
And I’m not really sure he is the best back available, I just really want a guy I am comfortable with in short yardage situations.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I had to go with my heart and vote gerhart
I just like guys with a ‘I dont quit’ motor. Makes you want to root for them more. Besides theres just something magical about a white guy running the rock.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
White man hustle!
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Proof of white man hustle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVf_74OGjDE
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I still like Ben Tate though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfBkonPBFGY
Just seems like an every down back.
Then you'll love Walter Football as this is what they said about round 2 for Houston.
The Texans are usually up front regarding what they are looking for. Virtually everyone – from the owner down to the head coach – has stated that addressing the running back position is a huge priority for them this offseason. Look for Houston to draft a runner in the first two rounds this April.
The Texans are also the type of team that will pass up on a far superior prospect for another guy if they think the latter player is a better fit for their system. That’s the case here, as Ben Tate shockingly gets picked before Jonathan Dwyer.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Shocking that Tate gets chosen over Dwyer
I think not. With all the questions about Dwyer and his weight problems, I don’t want the next Lendale White. I think Dwyer is overrated. Plus, Tate can catch a pass.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 7, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
I think Tate will go before Dwyer.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 7, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Tate should go before Dwyer
but if San Diego takes a guy like Cody at 28…they may take the bigger Dwyer at 40 since they already have their 3rd down guy.
Tate just reminds me of Clinton Portis in a lot of ways. Would be a nice fit here.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Exactly
Good hands and can make stuff happen with the screen pass. From someone who actually watched GT games this year, Dwyer = No thanks…
And WF's opinion on Ryan Mathews
Personally, I think he is a very overrated prospect and he reminds me a lot of Donald Brown out of Connecticut from the 2009 NFL Draft in Indianapolis. Mathews had a very good offensive line in front of him and he just doesn’t look very fast in pads.
The current 1st 3 round mock for the Texans isn’t too shabby either
20. Earl Thomas
51. Ben Tate
81. Amari Spievey
I think a lot of us would be happy with that.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I would be happy with that
but I would hope to go CB in second and RB in the third, even if it’s those same two people.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 7, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a strong borderline irrational hatred
for Jonathan Dwyer. I don’t like his plodding speed, I don’t like his weight fluctuations, and I don’t like that he came from a gimmicky run offense. Comparing him to Glen Coffee does him no favors when you look at how “marvelous” Coffee did last season with his 2.7 yards per carry and the fact that NinersNation is begging for CJ Spiller.
I’ll pass on Gerhart because A) we needed 1 yard in 2009, not 2010 and B) he runs entirely upright like Chris Brown which will bite him in the league.
Tate or Hardesty are the guys for me (obviously, I voted Hardesty…my mancrush is well-noted). I like what they did in a defensively tough conference, I like how they run….they have good hands…they remind me of those ZBS Denver running backs when watching them….and their value (3rd round…2nd if you have an itchy trigger finger) is tremendous. I believe both could be full-time starting running backs and would be happy with either one.
"Lord, beer me strength."
As for Best...
he was the best RB in the class before his injury. If he’s healthy, he’s a steal for whomever takes him.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Side Effects May Vary
Plus how many other players do you know that can vomit ecto-plasm?? (end of vid)
I went with Montario Hardesty.
Even though the talent in this draft is pretty deep, I haven’t really allocated a lot of my time researching for players that I would actually want us to draft. The player that I read most about is Hardesty, with Gerhart and Tate tied for the close second. Hardesty seems like the player that would plug our RB needs and we wouldn’t have to use our 1st pick on him. So im alll for him.
But if I did have a choice, I would’ve voted none of the above. No matter how talented these RB’s are, they wouldn’t stand a chance if our O-Line blocks the same way they did last season. Show me an improved O-line and I would be giddy about RB prospects coming out of college. But for now, I say we fix the problems we have with the O-Line and worry about drafting an impact-back later.
Besides, we still have Foster. If he plays with the same intensity as he did in the back end of the 09’ season, I say our problems are solved.
But Pancakes said on 610 this morning
“there is nothing to fix, the O-Line was great in 08, injuries hurt them in 09. All we need is a good RB and we’ll have a great running game.”
How does this guy continue to get paid and respected by his peers?
I know he gets paid,
But I don’t really see anybody that respects him.
I can spit blasphemy and post it on blogs too. How come I can’t get paid for it.
I try not to pay attention to the national media.
The only person I would trust getting my info from is Schefter.
Will we ever get a credible media correspondent in this city?
Depends on when they hire me...
Sigh.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 7, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
In Pancakes defense
If we didn’t draft anyone for the interior line I think our rushing offense will still be a lot better. HOWEVER, to say that our O-line is great is laughable. We can and should still improve the line.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I shouldn't say this, but
the O-line couldn’t get any worse than last year….
I said it, now look out…they’ll get worse, jinx!
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
In this particular hypothetical...
Hardesty and Tate are nearly identical for me. I might give the SLIGHT edge to Hardesty, but he does have some injury history. Gerhart – meh.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 7, 2010 12:13 PM CDT reply actions
Also
I still haven’t seen a quote where Gary Kubiak admitted that they wanted Coffee or Shonn Greene for that matter. Of course, both made perfect sense – but I’ve yet to see a quote.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 7, 2010 12:14 PM CDT reply actions
I've always just heard that from the media
But you’re right. Never heard a quote. Maybe something right after the draft, but I can’t remember.
There's no way I would have missed that
When it comes to the Texans, I see and read everything. LOL – well, not in the last month and not for the next few… but in every other time, yes.
AJ might have seen a quote since he’s the one you link to – but there’s no quote cited in the actual article.
I dunno – I’m just a stickler for that stuff.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 7, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I vaguely remembered something about it
So I just google searched it and AJ was the first one who came up.
I don't think he ever has
He’s very careful with that stuff (I mean that as a compliment).
Anyway – it’s just a technicality, because both of those guys made perfect sense for the Texans.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 7, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I too recall that
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I originally voted for Hardesty, but I'd like to change my pick to Toby Gerhart if it's at the 2nd round
Hardesty would be my pick in the 3rd, but Gerhart has qualities Texans fans would like. He runs hard, hits the hole fast, will run over people, and most important of all, he can throw the HB Pass accurately
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
Personally...
I wouldn’t take a back in the 2nd round, but if I had to take one I would probably take Best or Gerhart. They would be the best value for round 2. Hardesty, Tate and Dwyer will be available in round 3. If I had to take a back in round 3 and Hardesty, Tate and Dwyer are still on the board. I would take Tate for sure.
Agree
His stock’s been on the rise since his pro day. A lot of people have him above Dwyer and Gerhart now.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Which, by the way, I have a one-on-one interview with Ben Tate this week
for my “other venue” that I write for. Going to be talking to him about how he would fit with the Texans.
By the way
Everyone just ruined my day. Now I don’t think there is a chance in hell we get Tate. I doubt we take a back in the 2nd and if we do, of course I hope its Tate.
Another RB comment
I’m not sure I’d want Spiller. He’s fast and explosive, but I don’t think he’s physical enough to be “the guy” and I’m hoping we are drafting an every-down back in this draft, and not a compliment.
I hate to use the “S” word, but I think Spiller is a little big soft when it comes to contact.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 7, 2010 12:28 PM CDT reply actions
....
I will be beyond pissed if we take Ryan Mathews with our first pick. Despite not being a fan of his, I think CB, NT or if by some miracle Earl Thomas is there would be a better choice with #20.
My board is still
1)Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
2)Ben Tate, RB, Auburn
3)best OL or DT/NT available
Tate's highlight video on DMWT
is pretty sick. I think if more people saw that…there’d be a lot more Tatelove.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Yeah, its pretty ridiculous
I know highlight videos are supposed to make the guy look amazing. But that video was nuts. I like it better than Spiller’s.
The first stiff arm
kinda looked like Pollard’s college video with the body slam….kinda made me wanna see those two go at it in practice.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I'm sorry, but I don't think anyone's stiff arm is as good as Jerimiah Johnson's stiff arm
and he has the highlight reels to prove it
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 9, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice
I would be a happy man if this played out. I would like Cam Thomas in the 3rd if possible.
I admit, I am a Tatelover. If it wasn’t obvious.
0% chance on that
He’s definitely going before 51 with San Diego and Kansas City both needing some NTs.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Damn
If we were to grab a CB in the first and a RB in the second, which NT would we be able to grab in the third?
None that we would be excited about
I don’t know how much Lamar Houston fits into what we do – but he probably won’t be there in the 3rd.
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on Apr 7, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think you're sacrificing...
Both positions have a fair amount of depth. You can really flip the order around…
"Lord, beer me strength."
lamarr houston is a great 3 technique and would fit perfectly with us, as would his teammate earl thomas
Houston would fit...
if we want another small, undersized DT.
He’s better off as a DE in the 3-4 scheme.
"Lord, beer me strength."
6'3'' 300 pounds
he’s an undertackle. I want a nose tackle…a space-eater. Not another small DT.
"Lord, beer me strength."
No.
They play the same position that Amobi does….an undertackle. That’s not saying Amobi’s better, but a Nose Tackle would help the defense more.
"Lord, beer me strength."
We just don't have a real shot at grabbing him.
He will most likely go high second round.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 7, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe if we trade back
I would mainly want to draft Cody just to see him dunk and do backflips. I have to say that I would give him first round money just for those two things. It can be like an opening act for home games and take the place of Cody’s warm ups.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 7, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Look, I like UT
I just find it hilarious that every UT fan thinks every prospect from UT would be a “perfect fit” in Houston. Every year. Nothing against Earl Thomas. I would moonwalk to the podium if Earl was there when we picked. Just saying.
by Mike Kerns on Apr 7, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry
didn’t mean to sound like I was singling you out. Still a little trigger happy because of the VY fans…
i understand 2 or3 years ago i would have went apeshit on you i have seen that it was good we didnt let another julius peppers go by for a qb
It isn't just UT fans
It’s ANY fan who can’t single out the difference between college and pros. I have my school I follow, too. But once they get in the pros, I could give a shit where they played college or high school ball at.
Chester Pitts agrees with you that high school ball doesn't matter.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Apr 7, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Getting shopping carts from the parking lot of the grocery store matters.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
by Shake on Apr 7, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Additionally
The Combine should test for oboe dexterity.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Apr 7, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Weightspeed and Oboe Dexterity?
We sure evaluate talent over here more efficiently than most scouts in the NFL.
ya
i just wanted to remind everyone we could have had julius peppers and mario williams on the same line, which reminds me why is charlie casserly on nfl network? more importantly, if the crime rate in detroit is so high, why is matt millen still alive?
by J a s o n on Apr 7, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Two Great Questions
For which I have no answers.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Apr 7, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Beefy rubbing off on you?
Wow… Jordann, disregard that comment altogether! BFD, you too.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
If you're looking for a big beefy...
Torrell Troup may be there…
Linval Joseph probably would be there at the 3rd….some may call it a reach, but you could grab him there and grab a guy like Myron Lewis in the 4th to have him back-up Eugene Wilson until he gets hurt.
"Lord, beer me strength."
and Buffalo
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
no more fresno state round 1 picks!
Last time the Texans drafted a kid from Fresno State in the first round it turned out badly. Very, very, badly. He is (thankfully) a 49er problem now.
Kyle Wilson in 1st, draft a big back in the second who can pound it. I don’t want to see anymore 1st and 2nd and 3rd and 4th and goals.
hilarity such as ...
“This is me, don’t worry fans. How do you know?….. Because I blocked Richard Justice hahahaha”
Niccccccccee.
anyone else think gerhart
just looks too good to pass up if he’s there at 51? He runs with that ‘i will truck your ass’ attitude which is exactly what the Texans have never had and need in an RB. Even if our O-line improves only slightly, Gerhart can take it upon himself to get 6 in the red-zone.
I’m in the “Slaton will come back with a vengeance” camp so I believe he can still be a two-down back that can average 4+ a carry. Arian Foster will, at the very least provide solid depth behind (or in front of?) Slaton and Moats is your lunchpale little guy who’ll push everyone else by trying too hard in practice. Add the physicality that Gerhart brings to the offense and I think we’ll be able to start finishing teams off.
and yes i know
Gerhart played for Stanford in the big bad Ivy League so he was beating up on subpar teams but his highlights against USC are enough to show me he can make the better athletes in the country look silly.
Well Gerhart played in the Pac-10...not the Ivy League, so there's that....
Taking him at 51 or in the second round is now becoming a reach. A lot of places have him now graded as a 3rd to 4th rounder (even seen him in the 5th).
The reason for his drop (although he’s never carried a high grade) is because he’s a one-note kind of guy.
He doesn’t have the greatest hands and he’s not a speed burner. He’s essentially a power runner. This is more troubling when you look at his running style. Yes, he ran people over in college, but he runs tall (he doesn’t run under his pads). When he runs upright…he doesn’t protect his legs. In the NFL, tacklers will wrap up his legs because they are more disciplined…they’ll take shots at his legs….which opens himself up for injuries in his legs…and concussions up high because he’ll leave himself vulnerable up top with his running style. In short, he’s going to have to work on his technique to be effective and have a long-term career in the NFL.
Guys like Tate, Hardesty, McKnight have been on the rise because of their versatility while Gerhart has dropped because of his lack thereof. I don’t believe the Texans are looking for a specialist, but a more well-rounded back like a Ben Tate.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Left one more part out
Gerhart running high also hinders his ability to change direction due to his center of gravity being high. He struggles in changing direction which leads me to believe that he’d have problems being the quick one-cut runner that the ZBS demands. As I said, I don’t see the Texans burning a 2nd rounder on a short yard specialist.
"Lord, beer me strength."
You, sir, are a racist.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
by beefy on Apr 9, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
very true DC and..
you just put a horrifying thought in my head…I’m sure Chris Brown’s college tapes featured him trucking people for big gains as well….. …. ……i’m gonna go throw up..
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 7, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a place and a slot for him
but Houston’s not it.
And yup, I just youtubed some vintage Chris Brown…I’m a masochist like that.
"Lord, beer me strength."
You know what all those clips have in common?
He doesn’t play quarterback in any of them.
Gerhart did in one of his highlights
perfect on target pass, defender called for pass interference
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 8, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
It started with me...
I drove the bandwagon. After Kyle Wilson became a 1st rounder, I decided I needed a new 3rd round guy to pimp…so I found Hardesty and began talking him up at every turn….eventually, I found the video in the link and some people came around on him.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Watching the video
it’s easy to see why I love him. His hands are great (wheel route, slant route on a future NFL corner, screen game), he makes a decision and goes, his cuts are great, while he’s not as powerful as Tate he can still move the pile some, and that experience in the ZBS can’t be discounted.
If you say it enough and provide visual aid…people will be receptive. Honestly, him or Tate just work better along the value part of the draft matrix (value, scheme, need) than Mathews. I’d be happy with either guy.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Kareem Jackson
It’s actually a perfect example of why I hate Jackson as a corner. He let a RB outphysical him and get position on a slant route.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Could you break down Jackson vs. McCourty
I had a guy tell me he would take Jackson before McCourty every time and that McCourty does not belong in the first round (he said Jackson should be that late 1st round pick).
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 7, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll give it a go
McCourty has size and speed on Jackson (5’11’’ and 4.34 vs 5’10’’ and 4.41 speed)
Jackson is probably better in coverage, but he’s just not physical at all. He’s a terrible tackler, he’s awful about using his hands at the line of scrimmage, and a physical WR will abuse him.
McCourty needs work in his man coverage, but he’s good in the zone (which for some reason we run a lot of)…more importantly, he’s physical. He’s a very good tackler, has used his speed to make plays on special teams and offers more versatility as a returner as well.
Both aren’t big INT guys, but they do make a lot of plays on the ball.
I just like McCourty more cause of that speed and the versatility. If we got creative, he’d be a dynamic returner or come off the edge and block kicks….maybe even a CB blitz now and then.
"Lord, beer me strength."
how do you feel about cb’s in the 3rd round? if glover quinn can be taken in the 4th and become a badass, cant we do it again? Was it the coaching or was quinn a secret we found?
MDC's suggestion of
Amari Spievey is a good fit. The only difference with him and McCourty is the speed.
Javier Arenas is tiny, but I love how physical he is with WRs. He doesn’t let them get comfortable.
Donovan Warren has slid, but he’s really got 1st round talent.
I love Myron Lewis more as a FS, but someone on Mocking the Draft did a blind comparison. Apparently, Alterraun Verner of UCLA is almost a dead exact copy of Joe Haden but with 5th round value.
"Lord, beer me strength."
are u familiar with a guy named aj jefferson from fresno state? 4.42 40 44in vert 4.00 shuttle 6’0 195
Not too much
He’s got great physical numbers, but I’ve never seen him coverage wise. Perhaps I will check him out.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Being from Fresno State should raise a major flag
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 8, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
So basically
McCourty is a better fit for the Texans because he plays better zone, better tackler, taller (though I am never really one to say that an inch makes a difference…for CBs that is), and faster. Yeah, he sounds just all around better.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 7, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I'm saying better than Jackson
I’m not ready to say McCourty is a lock at 20.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 7, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Only one on knee
And that was before his senior year where he was the full-time back.
I think, while obviously worth noting, it’s not a huge negative since there’s a full year of tape on him since the injury.
"Lord, beer me strength."
u need to recheck that i promise you its both knees, which doesnt matter either way, especially with film cause this isnt college, these are big boys
I did before I posted
1 stress fracture which led to microfracture surgery in 2008. He bounced back and blossomed under Lane Kiffin’s zone-blocking scheme (what we run in Houston) as the full-time running back.
"Lord, beer me strength."
right right your right mike mayock just makes stuff up on the fly right? thats why u work for nfl network
No, but...
if you’re talking about 2 knee problems then you’ve got to be referring to the ACL tear in 05. He’s only had 1 microfracture surgery, but 2 “serious” knee issues. Of course, he wouldn’t even lead the Texans in knee issues if he was taken in the 3rd…he’d still be behind Owen Daniels and his 3 ACL tears.
"Lord, beer me strength."
True...
and I really only like Hardesty cause I want more defense in the early rounds.
NT, CB, FS….gotta get some more defense.
"Lord, beer me strength."
We do have this thing called Google
if you feel that strongly to prove a point, I suggest you search and post two different stories from different years to him having some kind of knee surgery. And even though everything that comes out of Mike Mayock’s mouth is pure draft euphoria, he is still human where he could have possibly misspoke. Not saying that he did, but it is possible, right?
But does it really matter? The point is to not take a RB until the third round. That is what TexansDC is really about.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 7, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry
let me rephrase it. No higher than the third round. Ben Tate and Hardesty in the third may be where we eventually grab a RB going off Slaton being grabbed in the third. But I think everyone would be alright waiting until later in the draft for a RB.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 7, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Ben Tate is a badass without acl tears or any other major injuries. No way he’s evenn there in the 3rd much less 4th(but we can dream)
There's always Chris Brown in the sixth round
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 7, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
TAKE IT BACK, MAN
dont ever say that na.. oh i just vomited a little
are you serious???
you suggesting that player with that name from Choklahoma for the Texans? What’s wrong with you Axe? Did you have temporary amnesia or something to even think about drafting someone with that sacrilegious name?
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 8, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure all those "jokes" have run their course.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
well the cruel reality is
you can only judge a player based on..well..what he’s done..
the fact that players were good in college is always a plus no matter what because it shows they rise above their competition. No one really knows how good they’ll be, but GMs have to use college tape as their most reliable indicator, even if its not against the so called ‘big boys’.
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 7, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
...
DraftCountdown
Supposedly Marshawn Lynch is on the trading block. I’d much rather deal a mid-round pick for Lynch than use a 1st Rounder on Ryan Mathews.
Die hard Texan fan from the heart of Denmark!
Hit and run, stealing twenty bucks from the wife of a sheriff, gun charges. Too much risk there.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
The $20 is ridiculous
I couldn’t help but laugh after reading that link you sent
"Lord, beer me strength."
not to mention
he says “HAAAA” every 10 seconds in interviews…him and Jacoby together would put our hood quotient through the roof.
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 7, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I love Jacoby's recent tweets
U wanna know wut I say to dum females?….( no offense to a good woman)
I call them….(budwiser hoe)….“bitch u do wutever I say else run”….lmao…I’m playin
Dude’s ridiculous.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Apr 7, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
DA's description is awesome
From SoCal to Colorado to Houston. Getting paid to do what I did in HS and Im not talking about getting B’s and losing my virginity.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Apr 7, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
DA Just became my favorite Texan
This is me, don’t worry fans. How do you know?….. Because I blocked Richard Justice hahahaha
I bow to that awesome tweet.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Apr 7, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
i'm not a big reader of local media
whats the beef with justice?
He is a giant hack
Who jumps on and off the bandwagon so much its nauseating, and every time he jumps on or off he acts like he was there the whole time. I think he also spends most of his time trying to pilfer manhugs from VY and Jerry Jones.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
somehow, i expected to see
jakespeare in this picture, you know, doing his stripper dance.
by typhoon.infamous on Apr 8, 2010 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Is that OD on the right?
Because it looks like he’s pitching a tent in that aqua jumpsuit.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 8, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
defense, defense...
did i mention defense. no rb’s in the first 3 rounds fs, dt, cb in that order(unless earl thomas isnt there in which case dt first
nononnononnononono
If you aren’t drafting Barry Sanders or Purple Jesus – RBs that were no-doubt, can’t-miss guys regardless of what system they are in – you do NOT draft a RB in the 1st round. It is the single most fungible position in the NFL.
(That said, you also don’t fill the position with guys like Chris Brown… the one that went to Colorado that is.)
by grungedave on Apr 7, 2010 4:09 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Speaking of RB's
RB Ryan Moats signs tender; will make $1.226 million if he’s on team.
Per Chron Twitter
I love moats, and he didnt even go to UT
by J a s o n on Apr 7, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
If he's on team?
Does that insinuate they’re trying to move him?
Because if they don’t….Slaton, Foster, Moats, Johnson…and people have them adding a 5th running back? Really? That doesn’t seem to make any sense.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Jeremiah Johnson
Undrafted rookie free agent from 2009 who spent the year on IR with a separated shoulder.
Was the lightning to Jonathan Stewart’s thunder at Oregon.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I liked Jeremiah Johnson a lot
In fact, it was my first real post on BRB:
http://www.battleredblog.com/2009/6/20/918003/the-case-for-jeremiah-johnson
His stiff arm was amazing in college.
Until he injured his shoulder. Im still hoping that he makes a come back though.
Yes chris brown
Ou running back. In the sixth
slaton foster moats Johnson and brown is surely enough young talent
get 2 cb a FS DT and G in 1-5 and your set
by AllenOU on Apr 7, 2010 6:55 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
drafting a chris brown
is tempting fate to take a gigantic dump on us..
by leacheatsbabies on Apr 8, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions
The way I see it
fate’s gonna have to respect the big brass ones on the Texan’s front office if they take him.
I mean, come on.
I'm firmly against drafting anyone with that name, especially if he's from Choklahoma
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Apr 8, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Pursuant To Our E-Mail Debate, Kerns...
What about Dexter McCluster?
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
I was going to include him, but two things
One, I think he’ll be gone. And two, a lot of scouting sites have him listed as more of a WR. Personally, I feel he is too much of a midget. Electrifying player, but I don’t know If Smithiak would take him.
Yeah
Texas like their freaks, not midgets.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 7, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Midgets aren’t considered freaks anymore?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
by nolander on Apr 7, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I find that highly offensive you would call a midget a freak.
I have half a mind to tell your mother what you said.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 7, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe that point has been broughten up....
check out letter to rick smith there is a whole page and a half worth of shit about fresno state lol
I was apparently ahead of the trend...
not only did the Rivers interview had a point that agreed with me….but the National Football Post has a piece up saying they’d take Hardesty over Mathews as well.
Hopefully, the front office realizes that RB in round 1 makes no sense as well…hopefully.
"Lord, beer me strength."
One thing that article brought to mind
Hardesty could fall because of the questions about his knees. I think he’ll pass any physical because look at what he did last season, but it could be something GMs are weary of.
by theaxeeffect4311 on Apr 7, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
we should just sign
ahman green.
wom wom woooaaaaaaaaa
To me
Steve Slaton is exhibit A in why we do not need to draft RBs in the first. Like Slaton, I think we can find some in the lower rounds. In fact if Slaton had been good last year and had not been injured, we wouldn’t be having this conversation- we’d be having the same one we did last year about later round backs. I don’t see why with Slaton, Moats, and Foster on the roster we suddenly need to draft a RB. Hell, when Slaton was drafted our RBs that year included Samkon Gado, Ahman Green A…? Echemandu, Ron Dayne, Darius Walker….a real horror show. I’d probably start Moats or Foster over any of them.
If RB wasn’t a huge first round need then (when we passed on Mendenhall and traded down ultimately for D. Brown and Slaton), it sure as hell isn’t more of one now- especially when all of these later round prospects are available. Let the Chargers have Mathews, I’ll take defense in the first and see what’s around in the second or third.
by JimboTexan on Apr 8, 2010 12:34 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Since this was if we had to take one...
I went Hardesty. I bought TDC’s kool-aid. Tate would be a great pick as well.
On the flip-side I would be fine with giving Foster a more legitimate shot. Showed great promise the last two games of the season. Plus he has a huge chip on his shoulder that he has something to prove. He’s hungry. I say let him prove it.
by HoustonTransplant on Apr 8, 2010 3:14 AM CDT reply actions
I'd like us to get Gerhart
We need a back who can knock Ragdoll out of the way while bulling his way into the end zone.
he could help us in the pass blocking area
you know by running head first into Myers back in order to keep him upright.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
by DaGoaT on Apr 8, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It just makes not sense to take one in the first
There just isn’t much difference between a first round rb and a 2nd round running back in this draft.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Heck, you may even get better
from passing on Ryan Mathews to grab a Ben Tate in round 2 or Hardesty in round 3.
National Football Post, as I posted elsewhere on the site, had a comparison and said they’d pick Hardesty before Mathews, so you’re right…there’s no difference between the quality of RBs
"Lord, beer me strength."
Toby Gerhart With 45% Of The Vote?
Yowza.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
I feel like a bunch of people looked at the name...
remember his running style in college….and think the Texans will need a short-yardage specialist to win those 2009 games that aren’t being replayed.
I feel confident in Smithiak’s ability to assess his talent since a lot of mock evaluators have come to a near consensus opinion of him (upright running style will not translate well and he’s a bit too one-note).
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Apr 8, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don´t quite get all the love for Tate...
…watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfBkonPBFGY this video. Sure he´s built like a beast but it seems that 99% of the runs go towards the sidelines and a bunch of college formations.
I just think that Hardesty is coming out of a pro style rushing attack. I also like the fact that he hasn´t had a bunch of tread off his tires and can really make people miss.
I would probably go Defense the first 2 rounds anyways…
by Scruffy The Janitor on Apr 8, 2010 2:55 PM CDT reply actions
I'm not too knowledgeable about Hardesty
But hasn’t he had some injury concerns/surgeries? How does that classify him as someone without a lot of tread off his tires?
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