John McClain Casts His Re-Vote For Brian Cushing For DROY
by Tim on May 10, 2010 8:38 PM CDT
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PrintI'm stunned The Associated Press has taken the unprecedented stance of asking the 50 voters who decide its postseason awards to revote on the two that Texans outside linebacker Brian Cushing won.
The deadline for us to revote is Wednesday at 11 a.m. The ballot has been sent to us again. Cushing won the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year Award, and he was voted second-team All-Pro.
I voted for Cushing for the NFL Defensive Player of the Year Award the day after the season, and I voted for him again today.
Why? Because a lot of players have won AP awards after being suspended.
The AP explained that it's taking this unprecedented step because the voters didn't know Cushing had failed a test and was appealing when we cast our ballots. The AP said we did know that Julius Peppers had been suspended for the last four games in 2002, but we still voted him NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year. It said we did know Minnesota defensive tackle Kevin Williams had been suspended when we voted him first-team All-Pro.
And according to Adam Schefter, McClain's not the only one staying in Camp Cushing:
As it should be. RT @NYPost_NFL: According to AP officials, several voters have already voted Brian Cushing Defensive ROY a second time.
Brian Cushing was suspended four games and has created doubters in him - that is his punishment. Losing an award shouldn't be tacked on.
Come the lunch hour Wednesday, we'll likely know whether the re-vote stripped Cushing of the honor. First question is whether you think Cushing should still be the Defensive Rookie of the Year. Second query: Do you even care? There's a school of thought out there that the disgrace of losing the award might serve to fire up Cushing even more, which could translate into a good thing for your Houston Texans. Thoughts?
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Should he still be the DRoy? If the reports are true that he passed every test post-September 2009 then yes he should, and, remarkably, Pancakes is right (takes a drink). Others have won when they tested positive. The re-vote is a bit ridiculous. If they didn’t want him to win then they’d strip it and let the Byrd be the word.
As for the do I care part…I don’t really care one way or another. As someone has already said in these threads, what does an award mean? It won’t prevent him from being suspended. The only thing that matters is wins and Super Bowl championships.
As for that school of thought: if he needs to lose an award to be fired up then I want him cut immediately. He should be fired up to get paid millions to play football already. If he’s a real man then he should be even more fired up to prove that whatever substances he took had nothing to do with his on-field play. If he’s not fired up as it is…then I do not want him in that uniform. That’s my school of thought.
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by TexansDC on May 10, 2010 8:53 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I think you nailed it there.
Either strip him and give it to Byrd or leave it be. Either way, the AP awards are still a joke anyway, so who really cares.
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by Stephen Schmidt on May 10, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
i dont care wat happened
hopefully it was a faulty test but will it change my legiance(?) to Cush-Hawk if it wanst?
can a dog talk? hell nah
itll make me only root for him more
Texans: Playoffs 2010, with Cush leadin the way
seriously tho
yea its stupid to re-cast cuz if thats the case EVERY sport has to do a re-cast on every award that cheaters have won
ESPECIALLY baseball
I'm indifferent
whether he wins the award (again) or not. If he wins, great, if he doesn’t motivation then. It’s obvious Cushing didn’t need any extra motivation last year, but I’m all for him using a bad situation to his advantage.
Really this just proves that sports writers are idiots.
The vote is over - there should be no do overs
What if we had a new election every time a President did not appear to be delivering on a campaign pledge ?
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
Then
we would have a new President about once a month.
That actually sounds like a good idea, everybody gets a turn running things for a month. :P
I'm the best there is at what I do.
well Britain and Germany lost their leaders this week
close to half of people in lots of countries are unsatisfied with certain votes, so I guess they could all have new elections every week
would be fun for a while, but pretty chaotic in the long run
I guess they could try a true non-representative democracy in which all citizens just vote directly on every issue
but who would actually read each 2000 page bill?
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
Yo how's it goin fellas.
I just joined Battle Red Blog. I was just reading the “glossary” and I hope this name fits(perhaps the name and number fit in together somehow….hmmm). I’m a bit surprised to hear Cushing tested positive. I heard he is a health freak. Hope to be blogging more with you guys soon.
by bone31crusher on May 10, 2010 10:41 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
thats what she said.
sorry i just had to.
yes i realise this makes my 14 year old cousin more mature than me,
Aren't you the one who called ME immature?
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I think he should win again
But I really dont care.
It would be cool if he wins again because then he might be the first ever 2-time DROY.
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by TexasHoosier on May 10, 2010 11:46 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Shouldn't have a re-vote in the first place
Just asinine. With all the two-faced hypocrites trying to save face by saying oh noes he took illegals and we voted for him! Such a stupid knee-jerk reaction which unfortunately has become typical behavior today.
Shut-up and move on.
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by HoustonTransplant on May 11, 2010 2:53 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Especially
When there’s no proof he took anything illegal, and it’s beginning to look unlikely that he did so. He’s suspended 4 games for having a slightly raised level of a chemical the body already produces once and then never again throughout the season, and now the awards he won are being revoted on…
There have been players who have done much worse cracked down on far less…
Unlikely that he did so?
Really?
A professional athlete says he didn’t do something involving PEDs, and he’s ‘probably being unfairly punished’?
If that’s the case, I’ve got a box of genuine baseballs used in the ‘great homerun race’ I’d like to sell you.
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
Well
It’s known he tested positive for having slightly elevated lvls of HCG, which in many states even a pure form of the hormone doesn’t even require a prescription, so since that’s the only cause of his 4 game suspension yea i’d say it’s looking unlikely that there’s any evidence of him taking anything illegal…
And by the by, HCG has vertually no performance enhancing qualities, at least not athletically. It’s used as a fertility drug mostly, and also at times as a diet aide… It’s a far cry from “juicing” up in any form.
Basically people who are naturally distrustfull by nature or of Cushing personally for whatever reason, will use this to validate their own opinions, but in reality there’s still no hard evidence of Cushing do anything ‘wrong’ in a legal sense nor of him cheating in any way shape or form… If you believe otherwise, explain to me what advantage HCG gave him over other players or show evidence of him taking anything else…
Wow talk about sticking your head in the sand
You really don’t get that HCG is used as a masking agent? Its on the banned substance list, he should know that. Hell just last year Manny got suspended for using it.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
So...
Your evidence of him doing steroids is he tested positive for something else on the banned substance list?
Again, if you’re a distrustfull person, this will likely strengthen your conventions. But if you’re like me and tend to give people the benefit of the doubt when there’s no evidence pointing to the contrary… there’s no reason not to take Cushing at his word.
Furthermore, I find it unlikely that he was using HCG as a masking agent when there was only small ammounts of it in his blood, and if he were trying to abuse it by taking massive ammounts there almost certainly would have been traces of an oestrogen blocker in his sample as well, and there’s been no mention of anything of the sort thus far… So untill there’s actual evidence of him not taking the drug for its designed purposes, what reason do you have to disbelieve his side of the story? And “c’mon look at the guy”, isn’t valid reasoning…
He’s spent the past 5 years by all reports on a strict diet designed by a nutritionist to help aid in his muscle growth and regeration and has worked out religiously for the same cause… Hard work and dedication can provide the results he’s had thus far physically, unless you’re going to offer real evidence that he “cheeted” why shouldn’t anyone believe him when he says he didn’t?
by Bryan72076 on May 11, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He tested positive for high enough level of HCG to be suspended
This leaves only a few plausible theories as to why
- His body is just really weird and produces far more of it then normal.
- He was whacking of right before the test
- He took hcg to hide steroid use
- He took hcg because he has a secret uterus and wants to have a child.
Its not like hcg is something you are going to find in random supplements. Its produced in the body yes, but generally if someone is taking it its for WOMANS fertility. Now point 1 and 2 might be plausible, but him actually taking hcg for any reason other then to mask steroid use is not.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Didn't know that was even considered viable
I don’t think the scientific community believes that mariujana would increase the levels of HcG after some research.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2990078
If it was elevated by Marijuana I would still be just as pissed at Cushing.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Seriously?
You mean Stink (Schlereth) reading from a medical journal on NFL LIVE about the effects of marijuana on hCG levels didn’t convince you? Ye of little faith. Although, that study is from the ’80’s and only included 16 subjects. Perhaps they were using stink weed instead a more potent blend like Pineapple Express.
380 pounds of pure pirogi
So
If he took HCG it was to hide steroid use and nothing else?
Lets see, possible uses for HCG include….
- as a fertility drug for BOTH men and women
- as a diet aid
- to aid in treatment of Osteoporosis
- in breast cancer prevention
- to treat Atherosclerosis
- to improve blood circulation
and in connection with sterroids…
- used to help cycle off steroids and return the body to normal…
I’m pretty sure that HCG is not a masking agent at all, maybe people have just assumed that it is because it’s on the banned substance list. At the very most it should raise flag of possible steroid use, because heavy steroid users do at times use HCG to cycle off the steroids… but it’s not on it’s own proof of anything nor does it give any real benefit athletically.
HCG is a legal drug though and in most states you don’t even need a prescription to buy, in fact you can buy pure HCG drops online in most states in the U.S.
And again it should be noted that he only had slightly elevated levels of HCG for the one test and then was clean every other time he was tested. Anomolies happen, so when he says he doesn’t know how he tested possitive for it, unless you have proof otherwise or evidence that he’s been known as a liar in the past, what does it harm in giving him the benefit of the doubt? I’m not saying he’s innocent, just that i’m not going to accuse someone of being a steroid user and a liar when he hasn’t been proven to be either as of yet.
by Bryan72076 on May 12, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well
this is just stupid.
According to an AP article: Cushing will not be eligible for next season’s Pro Bowl — he made the AFC team last January, but did not play, citing several injuries — or any NFL-sponsored awards.
“In the year a player is notified of and serves his suspension, he is ineligible for selection to the Pro Bowl or to receive any other honors or awards from the league or the NFL Players Association,” NFL spokesman Michael Signora said Monday.
That includes player of the week and player of the month awards, the Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year Award, or the Super Bowl most valuable player award."
So basically he is being punished ahead of time because of something he did at the beginning of LAST season. Idiots isn’t the Suspension and damage to his reputation enough?? I hope there is a fan write in vote this year for the Pro Bowl!!
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I think Cushing will come off this suspension, with even more to prove. I do think him missing the four games will be somewhat of a problem on the defense, although one I think they will adjust to. However, when he comes back, I feel some of the QB’s might want to bring a “change of drawers”. As far as what he’s done in the “juicing dept.”, no one knows for sure. What is known, or a “fact”, is an elevated chemical in his body, that is on the banned substance list. So, he (and we) have to take the lumps, and hopefully, this will not be a issue in the future. As long as he doesn’t test for what I consider, a PED, I will still support him. And, in this case, I don’t feel like anyone has proven that he has really done anything to enhance his ability. As far as how/what the NFL defines as a PED, I’m still not sure of. But it sounds like alot of things that are typical GNC type products are on that list. Is giving a 14 year old a Red Bull before a game considered a PED? I don’t agree with that philosophy, but I’ve seen other parents do that very thing. My son gets at best a “Snickers” candy bar. Is that a PED? It’s a tough line, but the NFL has their rules, and the players have to live with them.
by TEXANSTILTHEEND on May 11, 2010 1:25 PM CDT reply actions
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