Live Blogging Brian Cushing's Press Conference!
by bigfatdrunk on May 13, 2010 12:59 PM CDT
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PrintYou can watch it live here. Comments and thoughts after the jump.
Before it starts, let me add that the following terms have been outlawed on BRB: steroids, AP, Brian Cushing, and bra. The use of any of these earn you the banhammer. Now on to the press conference!
Starting:
Cushing opening statement:Happy to be a Texan.
Presented medical and scientific data to the league for his appeal. Definitely maintaining his innocence. Feels bad for the Texans.
Cushing: Says he tested positive for HCG. Test in September, notified in October (WOW!).
Cushing: Stunned when his appeal was denied. Maintains innocence.
Q: How do we believe you? Cushing: Many different ways to enter my body. He played the whole season worried he had tumors. Worried about long-term health.
"I would never do anything to cheat this game."
Q: What supplements do you take? Cushing: Proteins, amino acids. Inferred this is overseen by the Texans.
Q: Rumors that you've been involved with this kind of activity. Cushing: I've been clean otherwise.
Q: What about people like Jay Glazer? Cushing: He needed to protect himself.
Q: Can you explain about the tumors? Cushing: (Didn't answer) Talked about how he'll continue to do everything he is doing today.
Cushing: HCG can only get into my body via injection or because of a tumor. I don't inject, and that's why I am worried about my health.
Q: What about Florio saying you should give back the award? Cushing: Why? I didn't do anything wrong, and I maintain this.
Q: HCG still in your system? Cushing: Haven't been tested recently.
DeMeco Ryans has now taken the stand.
Ryans: We are going to miss him.
Q: DeMeco, do you believe? Ryans: Nobody works as hard. I believe him. I don't think he would cheat the game.
Note: Unless something else happens, stopping now.
My summary: He seemed pretty genuine in his responses. But, there's a lot lacking, from the medical details to the delay in the appeals process. There was both a damn long delay between getting results and then the appeals process. There are a lot of details we may never hear, and I have a feeling that any we get will be tainted by opinion. Cushing did seem to be concerned about his health, which sticks out to me (for both good and bad reasons).
Overall? I don't think we learned anything new, but Cushing came out of his corner fighting.
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Seems really entitled so far.
TBH I was hoping for more repentance.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
I wouldn't say entitled...
He just seems adamant that he didn’t inject. That it was one bad test out of many tests. Can I believe him? I dunno, but I’ll give him credit for sticking to his guns. I also understand that he has been attacked lately and may be tired of it….especially if it were untrue.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Just from a Media Relations standpoint
I don’t think there was enough media pandering to stop the flow of attack articles.
And as those are the last things I want to read, I was really hoping he’d bust out the repentance. But he only showed remorse for his team and his teammates, am I right? I may have missed an opening statement.
I understand that he’s rightfully indignant about the whole scenario, but….we came in with a lot of questions and didn’t get a lot of answers. The only real addition was this tumor thing, which, true as it might be, is going to be made out as a red herring by a lot of media I imagine.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on May 13, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Very true
The media eats up admittance and contrition. Cushing could’ve spun a whole story about how he took something to heal up. It would’ve been played as a dumb kid mistake and people would move on.
While the media may not like this, as a fan and a person, I understand it. He’s not wavering in what he’s saying. I felt his answers could’ve been a bit more transparent, but if he didn’t take anything then I’m glad to see that fire in saying that he never injected.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Yeah
but at least he (BC) wasn’t wishy-washy. True or not (which we don’t know), he’s sticking to his guns. I’m not gonna fault someone for doing that.
"Lord, beer me strength."
if it comes out later
that theres proof he did inject, and this is all BS, then I’d fault him for doing that.
Then he’d apologize for getting caught, not for cheating the game.
If he’s innocent, I don’t fault him at all for sticking to his guns, obviously. But to deny, however adamantly, if you are guilty, to me, is becoming way too accepted.
Dunta's weightspeed was too low
I'm not saying he had to create an Andy Pettitte story.
But it’s not hard to say things like “sorry to have dragged you all out here,” “I’m sorry I’ve become such a distraction to the NFL,” etc. And that would’ve gone a long way with the media.
You have to remember that press conferences always have an intent and a message. What was Cushings? He was scared about tumors, but didn’t explain them when McClain gave him a chance. Beyond that, it felt like the whole purpose of the conference was “lets give the reporters the sense that he’s willing to talk about it, but not actually have him say anything new.”
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on May 13, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought he pandered enough
He apologized to the Texans, the NFL, and to the fans.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
I definitely saw the Texans
But when did the last two occur?
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on May 13, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
He kept saying
how much he never would cheat the NFL or the game of football. He respects the NFL….that kind of thing.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Not exactly one in the same as an apology.
There’s a very distinct difference in tone.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on May 13, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
He didn't apologize
He said he “regretted” the situation. There’s a small big difference.
he didn't apologize because he feels strongly
that he didn’t do anything wrong. From Demeco, to his college teammates like Sanchez, they’ve all vouched that Cush is a health/nutrition freak, he takes care of his body and that he eats, sleeps and breathes football. He came out, took a firm stance based on what he believes and didn’t waiver.
I don’t subscribe to the “he shoulda been more apologetic and shown remorse” because as a man he felt strongly that he hadn’t cheated and wanted everyone to know that. Apologies to the Texans and the fans is all i needed to hear.
by leacheatsbabies on May 13, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't, necessarily, subscribe to it either
I’m speaking purely as someone who is fucking sick of reading Cushing bitchfest article after Cushing bitchfest article. I was hoping he’d throw me a bone here.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on May 13, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
DT is going to unfollow me if I don't stop tweeting about it
That’s harsh :-)
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
dude
If you are playing “bad cop” you’re doing a good job of it…..
I understand your frustration. I feel it too.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on May 13, 2010 4:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Quoted here
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6160
“, I regret the decision it presents to the Texans organization, my teammates, the fans and my family.”
He offered “respect” to the NFL and it’s process, and wouldn’t “do anything to deface it”, but he did not offer an apology.
So basically, the apology is to Houston and his family. Not enough media pandering.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on May 13, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously
Would you pander to the media? Especially as douchy as most of them have been? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
If I was accused of something like steroids
And my reputation was at stake
I would knob slobber any way I could.
Of course, I would also make sure that people could see this compelling evidence. Or not lie about having it, as the situation may be.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on May 13, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I woudn't say entitled either
He sounds like someone who’s been in a tough place and who has been and is being unfairly vilified.
Agreed
Seemed genuine to me, didn’t parse words, and didn’t hold back. God I want to believe him.
It's NOT a toomah
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
"I didn't just think it could be my last season, I thought it could be my last YEAR."
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
You'd better hope...
…that he’s the lowest form of cheating, lying scum… Because if, heaven forbid, he DOES have a tumor… After your comments here, you are gonna’ be looking preeeetty bad.
Having personally experienced the perspective change on life that you get when you get that message, let me tell you, that the LAST thing I’d be doing is “slobbering” on ANYONE’s “knob” if they were accusing me of being a cheat while I was dealing with that matter.
I enjoy your stuff for the most part, Rivers, but when someone tells you that they are worried about a tumor, you need to shut up and let them be revealed as the BIGGEST ASS OF ALL TIME or run the risk of assuming that mantle yourself if they are truly innocent and facing that kind of diagnosis while you just keep yipping along.
I didn't post the comment you replied to sarcastically or mockingly.
That was an in the moment comment. I was shocked.
I also do not think it’s inappropriate to say that I wish Cushing had been more apologetic for the sake of not reading attack pieces on the internet. Nowhere did I make light of his tumor allegation, I simply said that the media could make it out to be a red herring.
I have had my share of experiences with tumors as well. In fact, as someone who has had more than his share of cysts removed, it’s even less fun first hand thinking you might have one. Can we tone the indignation down a notch?
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on May 13, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
/doesn't care...I'm not "chillin'" about anything...
…and I’ll happily take my indignation elsewhere because the level of discourse on this topic has reached a pretty juvenile level and my fun-meter with the board is about up for awhile.
There was NOTHING “in the moment” about the multiple comments that Rivers made and I’m just tired of the general “lynch mob” attitude that’s being aimed at someone without all the facts being known.
If Cushing is making up a tumor scare in some lame ploy concocted by his manager to gain sympathy, he risks being busted as the biggest, most unsympathetic scumbag to walk on the football field since OJ. And I freely admit to having been taken in by some shameless jerks in my day.
But to just blow right by the possibility that the kid spent most of last season in fear for his life and may STILL be worried about it and not ready to just open up his medical records to satisfy your petty curiosity and get one’s panties in a twist because his delivery wasn’t just right by your standards is just too much for me to “chill about”.
I’ll leave you hip youngsters to sit around and impress each other.
/old-fart self-banned
I admire and agree with the general spirit of your comments
Even if I don’t think you’re aiming them at the right person here.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on May 14, 2010 5:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I both:
(1) agree with you;
and
(2) still say chill out, dog. The reduction in ALLCAPS is, admittedly, a good start.
I think he's doing a good job
He sounds genuinely frustrated and as though he does have a leg to stand on.
Hmmm, he only knows of 2 ways that HCG shows up in his body....
Injections and tumors. There’s the sign he doesn’t read BRB otherwise he’d know about the whole computer condom.
"Lord, beer me strength."
i have no knowledge on the topic
But i am just curious if anyone has any insight on the linkage between possible tumors and hcg levels? Any doctors….
by Da babyfacedassassin Meco on May 13, 2010 1:15 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
HCG and tumors
First paragraph.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
I believe him less now
If it is somehow naturally occurring then why did every subsequent test come up empty? I’m not buying the tumor explanation. Not saying you are, bfd, just responding to the link between the two.
He didn't offer a tumor "explanation"
He said it was a possibility and they basically do not have an answer for why there were elevated levels of hcg. The only explanations he’s heard are that he either injected/ingested something or it could be evidence of a tumor. He specifically stated they’re trying to figure out what it is, medically, that may be wrong with him to have caused this.
If he's saying that it's a possibility
Isn’t that offering an explanation?
And still….if it’s a medical condition, or if it is occurring naturally, why did he pass all other random tests?
He didn't offer an explanation
Except that he “doesn’t know” how it got there. They’re trying to find out, was his explanation. That’s how I took it, anyways.
I wouldn’t know how it’d be elevated one day and not the next, but I also wouldn’t expect anyone’s body substance levels to be very predictable. Could be an anomaly. It could also be a deeper medical issue that not much is known (or shared) about.
I believe him when he says he doesn’t know what happened. That, to me is an honest response.
I'm sure he doesn't know what happened
I mean his supplier promised him the masking agents were flawless. I’m be dumbfounded too.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
And that could very well turn out to be the case
I just don’t buy it. Seems far more likely that an agent that is used to cycle off of steroids turns up in a dude that looks like he does.
That could be the case.
But I choose to believe Cushing. I don’t have a lot of faith in the medical field (or the testing field). But I do know that if something like this happened to me and I hadn’t done anything wrong, I would act the same way Cushing is.
Its a tough situation and because its (apparently) not provable one way or the other, I’m going to take his word.
yeah well you may not buy it now
but if it comes out that he has a malignant tumor and will never play again, you’d feel pretty shitty huh? My point is exactly what WhiskeyR’s is, he said he has no clue why the levels were elevated and he’s waiting and hoping to find out. He said that the doctors told him it’s either because he injected/ingested them or he has tumors and he said “he played the whole year thinking he possibly had tumors”.
Could be a clever cover-up for a guy who really does want people to know he took steroids, but I choose to believe his story until all the FACTS come out, because everything else is just purely SPECULATION.
by leacheatsbabies on May 13, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Read any of DaGoat's posts on this topic
He says it better than I could. Cushing said he played the year thinking he had tumors…..and he didn’t verify it medically? I’m calling BS, and I feel okay about it.
Actually,
the only way to confirm if he did not have a tumor (medically) would be to cut his balls off and do a biopsy. It is possible to have microscopic tumor, and not all tumors are easily detectable. You will find quite a few examples if you do a search with “carcinoma with unknown primary”.
Now, I do not know if a microscopic tumor can lead to increased hCG levels or not. But, in my opinion, if Cushing genuinely believes he never introduced hCG into his system then I can understand him being afraid early on. I do not think that at the moment he is claiming to have a tumor, rather he is just saying he does not know how it entered his system.
Assmass alone does not a NT make.
another thing to ask ourselves
Is if he found out in October, then its logical that the team knew as well. So I can’t believe that the team wouldnt get him checked by specialists and what not if there was some TLC medical mystery going on with him.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
it sounds like total spin to me
He really hasnt told us anything, he basically is giving us the " I dunno how that got there officer" treatment. If he’s checked out medially and nothing is wrong with him, then he looks even more suspicious. Its sad but I don’t think I believe him. I think if there was a genuine reason for the hcg getting there, he would have told us to defend himself. Its too bad I was really hoping there was a logical explanation, but I’m not seeing it.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
So
Maybe he’s pregnant, or he ate some placentas
It's hard bein whimpy
by WhimpyJimmy on May 13, 2010 5:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
tumors?
Dude… he’s better off saying that someone spiked his Gatorade.
This tumors thing is just lame. I believe nothing of what he said.
It could be tumors...
I suppose, could have been. However, he’s never heard about the ejaculation reason? Really?
"Lord, beer me strength."
Tumors
Is now code for masturbation…
“Excuse me for a few moments. I have to massage this tumor that seems to have popped up…”
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on May 13, 2010 4:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Someone needs to massage the tumor...
and Goo this post
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Goo'd
bitch
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Oh Man!!!,
Another tumor…..excuse me as I raise my Hcg count…
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on May 13, 2010 8:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
ejaculation/tumors
A wise man once said,“Deny till you die.”
by Da babyfacedassassin Meco on May 13, 2010 1:30 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
If I'm reading Wikipedia correctly
It could be evidence of testicular cancer.
“The β subunit of human chorionic gonadotropin is secreted also by some cancers including seminoma, choriocarcinoma, germ cell tumors, hydatidiform mole formation, teratoma with elements of choriocarcinoma (this is rare), and islet cell tumor. For this reason a positive result in males can be a test for testicular cancer. The normal range for men is between 0-5 IU/ml.”
It does sound silly
But it’s also medically viable.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
I'm pretty sure
in the 8 months that have passed since he found out he knows if he has nut cancer or not. I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say not.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
I believe him when he says he has no idea
But if he does have an idea and doesn’t want to air his own health issues to the public I could understand that too.
I can also see and identify with why people think he’s lying. But I’d say there’s a definite rush to judgement and that other possibilities are viable.
After this, i'll stop beating this dead horse
If it were you, wouldn’t you rather the public know that you indeed have testicular cancer or whatever (however embarrassing that may be) than for them to assume that you are a cheating liar?
At the end of the day, even while he’s done himself no favors with this press conference, I do respect your defense of him.
Personally I would
I’m not saying he has that. All I’m saying is that for many (especially the media), there is a rush to judgment, while other possibilities exist. We can’t sit here and reverse engineer someone else’s unique circumstances.
speaking of beating a dead horse....
You should really do something about that tumor….
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on May 13, 2010 11:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Which dead horse are we talking about?
The white one Tebow resurrected to ride in on?
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on May 14, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
come on
if he truely had something like cancer it could totally clear his name and he would instantly become a media darling. They would be having candle light vigils for him and stuff. By sitting there and saying I dunno what happened, its pretty obvious there is nothing medically wrong with him. I mean I really wanted to believe him. I was hoping he was just a victim somehow, but by having a press conference and telling us basically jack and shit and just shrugging his shoulders, it boils down to an act of defiance and him just being too proud to own up imo.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
My mother was recently diagnosed with breast cancer and had it removed, she had a full exam less than 6 weeks before it was detected and was given a full bill of health. It wasn’t untill it grew into stage 2 and moved into both breasts that it was even detectable. I think it’s definitely possible to have it in its developing stages but undetectable and still able to alter your body’s chemical production slightly….
I think his response of being terrified that he was going to die of cancer as a pretty reasonable reaction for someone to have in this situation if they were told by DRs that they could only have had the results he did through injection or a tumor and he knew he didn’t take any injections… It might be speculation for everyone else in the world, but Cushing knows if he injected something into his body or not, so it’d be scary as hell if he knew for a fact he didn’t… as he was being told the only other alternative was tumors…
It seemed to me that he was pretty genuinely still concerned about his own health… and much moreso than he is about any ban or suspension placed on him by the NFL. Maybe he’s a good actor or has been coached very well for the press conference, but he seemed pretty believable to me.
by Bryan72076 on May 13, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Hope your mom is doing well post-surgery
Sincerely.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
by Shake on May 13, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
She is
They’re giving her chemo treatments now as a precaution, but they’re pretty certain they removed it all in surgery…
Smart option
with the chemo treatments for precaution…..never underestimate cancer or trust the god-complex of a surgeon
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Bryan...
I’m a six-year stage-2 colon cancer survivor and my course of treatment sounds similar to your mom’s.
I believe that prayer and providence got me through it and I’ll pray for your mom.
All the best.
also
If the spiked HCG levels were predictable, we’d simply test for cancer and tumors with urine or blood tests. So it’s probably also normal for a “spike” to occur randomly and so probably not so out of the ordinary to test positive once and then negative in future tests.
by Bryan72076 on May 13, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
speaking of detecting cancer
There is a way of detecting small tumors. And I’m not sure where to put this seeing I’m on the other side of the country and viewing this on my blackberry. Anyways, a PET scan which has been around for at least 15 years is a reliable method for cancer detection. From my understanding of how it works; you are injected with a radioactive substance that has a very short half-life, so the possibility of radiation poisoning is nil, and then they put you into a contraption that is very similar to an MRI machine and it maps any “hot” spots. As a matter of fact, if cancer is suspected it is one of the preferred methods for finding/locating cancer. At least it was 13 years ago when I underwent this procedure. I was lucky that back then there were about 7 PET scan machines in the world and one of them was at the hospital where I went..I think they are much more commonplace now. I believe that PET scans are extremely reliable.
Just my 2 cents. I am no expert, so feel free to check me on this.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on May 14, 2010 12:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I had something very similar done for my heart a few years back
FWIW.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on May 14, 2010 3:27 AM CDT up reply actions
but does it work on your balls
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
yes, in all seriousness
A PET scan would work at any location. I would put a lot of trust in this technolgy for detecting cancer. The way it would do it’s thing is at an upstream area of the body, the radioactive substance would be injected. Within probably 10 to 20 minutes, the substance would flow. The PET scan machine would start. The substance would show up faded in clean areas, but would be bright in “hot spots” that would be indicative of cancer. Once the affected area was located, a needle could be inserted that would withdraw a rice size sample of tissue which would immediately be analyzed by a pathologist who would determine if the cells were cancerous. If they were, the patient would go into surgeery and the tumor would be removed.
I am not wiki-ing this. Believe me, I know of this through experience.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on May 14, 2010 1:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm sorry about your mother
but some things your mother did not have, were drug tests, incredibly frequent medical exams, personal trainers and doctors, the money to get the best doctors and specialists in the country. Also keep in mind they’ve had like 5 days to prepare him for a press conference in which they basically told us nothing.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
Not even the best doctors or techniques available
can find a tiny microscopic tumor in your body without cutting you up into many many many tiny pieces and doing biopsy on each one of those. Sadly, there is no “test for tumor”. I lost a very close friend to cancer couple of years ago, and even a year after they found metastasis we did not know what kind of cancer it was just because they could never find the primary. And trust me, it was not because he didn’t have access to doctors or facilities.
Assmass alone does not a NT make.
by kaizer on May 13, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Of couse he knows
All of his subsequent tests came up negative, didn’t thay?
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on May 13, 2010 4:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
the media
is gonna have a field day with the whole tumor angle. He probably should have just stfu if he didnt have any real explanation.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
Admit Nothing, Deny Everything and Make Counter-Accusations.
At least that’s what we were told when I worked at DIA.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
devil's advocate...
maybe he’s thinking……I thought I had that beating that test figured out, I mean it’s worked until now, we have to do some medical work to see what I did wrong to fail a test…..JUST SAYIN’
GO TEXANS!!!!
Our time will come...
if test results
Comeback negative for cancer, he only has one shot left. Convince the public he is in fact woman and is pregnant….
by Da babyfacedassassin Meco on May 13, 2010 1:43 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
+1
Seriously, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that he honestly doesn’t know.
It’s something that can be produced naturally. The body changes daily…unless you’re constantly testing, you don’t know what’s going on there….again, I dunno if I believe him or not, but I’ve heard of enough “medical mysteries” to know that it could’ve just happened or been a reaction to something.
It’s likely one of those things that we’ll never know, but it doesn’t change the end result: Cushing’s suspended for 4 games and the back-ups need to step up.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on May 13, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
by that logic
its possible I can shit out rainbows and gold nuggets one day. Sooner or later guys we will have to pull the wool out from our eyes. I mean if he just found out about it I could give him the benefit of the doubt to get medically checked out. He found out 8 months ago, so I’m doubting there is anything wrong with the guy. I mean ask yourselves, if Cushing was on any other team, would you be giving him the same vote of confidence?
I mean if someone found your body with holes running through it and the doctors said there is a 99% chance you were shot with bullets, and a 1% chance you were hit by micro meteorites, are you seriously gonna insist it was God throwing space rocks at you?
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
its not about giving the guy a "vote of confidence"
he had detectable levels of something that’s natural in the body but not exactly normal (just as if you went to the doctor and had a virus or a bacterial infection) . THOSE ARE THE FACTS.
No ingestion, injection, masturbation, dirty hooker sex, elephantitis of the testicles, tumors, nut cancer or ANYTHING else has been PROVEN. So we can all make ridiculous assumptions, but the facts are he tested positive for a banned substance, and he’ll do 4 games for it which pisses us all off..and thats the end of it until we find out more FACTS.
by leacheatsbabies on May 13, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ppl are misleading with this
whole “natural in the body” nonsense. Its not detectable in any normal male. So we are back to shooting up or nut cancer. Bullets or space rocks.
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
I see right through your analogy
I checked with Brother Timothy and he said God wouldn’t smite using space rocks. He would just make you fumble on the goal line with you hands of stone.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on May 13, 2010 4:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Can't miss an opportunity like this....
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by CFHTim on May 13, 2010 1:47 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Anyone else here ND Kalu talking about this on Sunday ?
He said the Texans front office looked at the steriods accusations in college as a good thing with Cushing. Meaning they liked the fact he was willing to risk his health, to play better on the football field.
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Important Thing
I think the important thing will be how he comes back from all this. If he hasn’t tested positive and continues to test positive and comes back in game 5 and begings another monster season, I think all this will be behind him just like with every other player that has had a positive test.
Yeah just color me
extremely unimpressed with that press conference. I didn’t hear him name a medical condition he’s suffering from that’s putting extra whatever the hell hCG is into his body.
Its really sad watching fans defend their guy and rip the other teams'
It would be one thing if Cushing never had any steroid rumors attached to him, since high school no less. But he did and now he tests positive for a known masking agent.
Smoke then fire folks
I'LL BITCH SLAP YOU WITH ROBERT SWIFT!!!
by My Name is Bryce on May 13, 2010 2:56 PM CDT reply actions
masking agent
Isn’t hcg the stuff he had in his system something to restart the natural production of testosterone, not a chemical to cover up steroids (steroids=chemical like testosterone) in his system. Cause restarting something and covering it up are a little different last time I checked.
Isn't that Smoke, then more smoke?
He still has never tested positive for steroids so any steroid rumors attatched to him are still just that, rumor.
On my mind....
What if he goes and gets tested for tumors and they find one? What happens then? Is he still suspended? Do people apologize?
and you think in the last 8 months
they’ve just been forgetting to make room on their schedule?
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
That was the worst press conference ever.
Cushing can’t answer questions that weren’t @#$%^&* asked.
It’s not that they didn’t ask tough questions. They didn’t ask even BASIC questions. Like “what is the compelling medical and scientific evidence you presented for your appeal.” Or would you be willing to release that information. Or why did the appeal last so long. Or talk about who you saw after you got the word on the hCG.
Those were obvious @#$%^&* questions. OBVIOUS. The stupid press conference raised more questions than it answered.
I’m not going to question the guy too hard because I’m not a @#$%^&* doctor. I know of times when you get medical tests back and they can’t find out what is @#$%^&* wrong with you. Yeah, I understand the skepticism, but we didn’t even get to hear what his medical evidence was.
smh ftw
by StephS on May 13, 2010 3:51 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
One phrase keeps popping into my mind about this whole process (The AP Revote, Reactions, This Presser, etc)
Much ado about nothing.
Is it September yet?
"Lord, beer me strength."
Would you mind being the one to ask those questions?
Seriously! You have some stroke with the Taxans. Report back, please….
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on May 13, 2010 4:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I can feel the redacted Chronicle trashing within this comment
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by riversmccown on May 13, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Or just the silly stuff about the lie detector test.
Too much fluffy “how ya feel” questions and not enough “so what did you do” sorts of questions.
Eh, I updated my post at the Chronicle but still, that presser sucked. The Texans/Cushing would do well to answer some basic questions post-presser but I am certain the vault is closed.
I won't be satisfied until you come back and say you tried and couldn't get access
What I’m thinking about is this angle. Go into this that there are a lot of questions regarding his defense trying beat the suspension. Say you want to see his defense…not for the purpose of reprinting it word-for-word, but just to look at it briefly and talk to him and his reps about it. You just want to understand it and share some of the angles of it. Obvoiusly, you won’t be looking at results of lab tests, unless they want to share that kind of info. But, hey, you’re really just an interested fan who happens to write about this stuff. C’mon, Steph! Try!
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on May 14, 2010 7:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
hcg
it is not a masking agent…it makes your balls drop and grow back to normal after a cycle of roids. it can only be injected as far as i know, i’ve used it, so i should know. it also helps getting your body back to producing testosterone back to normal levels b/c when your done with a cycle your body does not produce very much testosterone. and you would also take something like clomid to help with that and to prevent bitch tits.
i think he has used and i don’t hold it against him, not just b/c i like my Texans. it’s b/c a large majority of NFL uses and anyone that disputes that is blind. do you actually think the few that get caught are the only ones doing it? cmon people this is football and ped’s are not going to harm NFL records; like it does with baseball. the only thing that bothers me, is if you choose to use PED’s, you are putting your TEAM and FANS at risk of damaging a season. so if you use, you better not get caught or the fans and team will be some pissed of mofos. and i happened to be pissed off until we start 3-1.
Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo!
exactly
we as fans should only be concerned with the fact that he was irresponsible enough to get caught with elevated levels or bla blah of a banned bla bla blaah (this how i will now refer to all that rubbish). We as fans should be pissed off that our team which we pay good money, time, effort and emotion into will be without one if its best defenders for 4 games. I have never backed Cush, only maintained that he is innocent until there is evidence that he actually ate the spinach and that I expect him to be just as good if not better coming off the suspension..and that it.
Lets all quit pretending we know a damn thing about medicine, cancer, league policy, and drug testing procedures beyond what we read from other people who also know absolutely nothing. This is football, and we as Texans fans will cheer Cushing mightily when comes back and if he stinks the rest of his career, well we’ll know why. Either way, this about football…not allll this other BS..so lets keep it that way.
There are some good fanposts up about FOOTBALL, if anyones interested.
by leacheatsbabies on May 13, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
You are aware we're living in the information age?
I know I didn’t even know what HCG was untill Cushing tested positive for it, but like many others, i’ve tried to become a little more informed because I like having some idea what’s going on…
I’m still not a DR nor do I possess any great knowledge on the subject that anyone else can’t obtain with 10-15 minutes of web searching, but I know more about it now from my own searches and from the information others have gleaned as well… Maybe at the end of the day it’ll get added to the “useless knowledge” bin, but I still know something I didn’t yesterday… and that’s progress. :)
are you aware that it takes people 10 years of studying to even be qualified to give a medical opinion?
look Its one thing that we can all goto Wikipedia and read some keywords and think we have the “gist” about something, its an entirely different animal to be making inferences about real medical phenomena…I mean just look at this board…“gonadotropin”, “testicular cancer”, “elevated hormone levels”, “malignant tumors”..these are terms that don’t belong on here but hey, what else are we for but to to give our opinion on things, whether its sports or not?
I commend you for expanding your own knowledge..I ballyhoo you’re quest for enlightenment..but the truth is we don’t know ANYTHING except this: Brian Cushing is suspended for 4 games of our most important season ever. So lets talk about how we need to start praying to good reverend for his nephew to become Patrick Willis’ protege.
by leacheatsbabies on May 13, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't need a degree to discuss a topic
Just a basic understand at best, and even that is optional if you don’t mind being erronous or otherwise wrong half the time.
I get it, you only want to talk about football… Sadly this has little to do with football other than the repercussions of the failed test so if there’s any discussion at all about it, a good bit of it is going to be unrelated to football. And since we’re losing one of our defensive leaders for 1/4 of next season, there’s going to be discussion… I prefer this to 2,000 repeats of “I hate not having cushing for 4 games”.
by Bryan72076 on May 13, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And as Socrates said
If it offends you, cover your ears.
You could simply ignore any post or topic not football related and stick with football-only ones… but to make the choice to not only read but interract with the current discussion, then complain that we’re having it at all is kind of silly.
haha nothings offending me bro
I got you quoting Socrates over here so I’d argue I’m highly contributing to the “current discussion”, maybe not in a way that you like or that “offends” you. It’s natural to question the validity of someones opinion..otherwise on what basis would we decide if we agree with something or not? I’ve read and contributed plenty of my own opinions in this comment section based on 10 minute old medical knowledge as well..i’m simply urging the monotony and repetitiveness of this conversation to turn to football and leave cancer of the sack.
Everyones entitled to an opinion..and mine is that I want to talk some football. Yours is you want to discuss whatever else and not be bothered by someone questioning the basis and validity of your opinions..but thats what i like to do. If I ruffled your furthers, I apologize but if I didn’t enjoy argument, I wouldn’t be on here at all. Apparently you do too, so on we go!
by leacheatsbabies on May 14, 2010 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Everyone is entitled to an opinion
But your opinion is that it’s a waste of time and stupid to continue a conversation that isn’t 100% about on the field football issues… in a converstation that isn’t 100% about on the field football issues…
I’m not saying your opinion is invalid, i’m sure there’s alot of people who feel the exact same way you do. The difference is they make the choice not to read what they don’t want to so it doesn’t bother them.
You didn’t ruffle any feathers, i’m just pointing out the obvious…. Obviously people carrying on a rather long discussion about one topic think that topic itself isn’t worthy to discuss. You telling them it is isn’t going to change anything, so if you can’t change it and you can’t stand it, you’d be better off ignoring it. That’s all i’m saying.
football discussion wouldn't include repeating "I hate not having Cushing"
It would include discussion..well, about football. If you haven’t exhausted webMD yet and aren’t sick of talking about Cushing and hcg then more power to you. Don’t take offense when I say I don’t believe what you or anyone else saying, it’s all part of the fun.
by leacheatsbabies on May 14, 2010 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions
What I would have said
“See, there I was in the waiting room doing curls with the dumbbell I carry everywhere wit’ me. The tech there takin’ the sample was hot and there was this instant attraction between me and her. Well… one thing led to an another and we was makin’ torrid love right there in the clinic. All the while I continued my curls routine (Mon is always arm day). I made my donations,, and left, if ya know wut I’m sayin.’ Next thing ya know, the NFL is callin’ about the sample results.”
This is a choice of whether you believe Cushing or not
I back him 100%
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
lameness
Can we move on now?
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As much as a I hate possibly opening up a new debate
or maybe this comment just wont get read considering how low it is and coming right after an agreement to be done with all things Cushing and PED.
Either way something has been bothering me that I needed to at least share. Cushing said he hadn’t injected or ingested hCG but I heard from Doug Gottlieb on ESPN Radio that it can be applied as a topical. Now I’m not one to just believe anything people say so I did some basic research (along the lines of Bryan72076 type research) and found that even I could buy transdermal hCG. I’m not a doctor and am not studying to be one but I come from a long line of doctors so I asked around. The general consensus is that yes you can apply a cream based hCG treatment but it obviously doesn’t work as well as injection. I’m pretty sure my family now things I’m about to start using steroids but my manhood is worth more to me at this point than my muscles. Either way this could also explain the “slightly” high levels of hCG in his system.
PS This is not an invitation to open Pandora’s box on another issue in this as I am tired of it too but just thought everyone might appreciate this extra piece of knowledge
Ehhh
Granted, you’ve done a good job researching and I’ll commend you for that, I just have doubts that Cushing would try to use that as a way out. I mean, on the one hand, I imagine the fact that so few ppl seem to know all that much about hCg, I doubt Cushing knows every form so he just covered the basics.
Secondly, it doesn’t seem to me that those words would protect him. This isn’t a court of law where he would be safe from perjury (which I’m not even sure he’d be safe there if he was lying). He is in the court of public opinion, and I have to say, there would be no bigger way to look like an asshole than saying, “I didn’t lie, I said I never ingested or injected, but y’all didn’t ask about creams. HA!” So while I see where you’re coming from, I think his leaving that out was just a technicality, not him either trying to leave room to weasel out or lie about possible ways to apply the hormone.
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by SlatonShuffle on May 14, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok I figured this out
It’s 1am and I just read 127 comments…
He obviously had the HCG cream next to some other cream, and used it to rub one out… On accident
so now he is too embarassed and decided a four game suspension is better than admitting to jerkin it with some manny ramirez cream
oh and an fuck you Cleveland!!!
by AllenOU on May 14, 2010 1:03 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Hcg cream
…You mean vaseline???
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on May 14, 2010 7:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Florio for Justice?
Not to disrupt the harmony or hijack the thread here but, for you followers of this saga on PFT, Florio’s latest whine on this issue has him calling an article from lil Dickie Justice (girl age 14) and calling him a “respected journalist”!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/14/cushing-gets-his-justice/
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