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A Quick Rebuttal To The "Strip The DROY Award" Crowd

Somewhat shockingly, given that the whole steroid thing (and, more precisely, the injury risk associated with overuse) was one of my reasons against drafting Brian Cushing, I have made it a point not to chime in on the whole thing.  I assumed that the internets would be flooded with bloggers who were suddenly steroid experts, and I didn't want to be part of that group.

That said, it dawned on me yesterday that I probably have more experience with steroids than 99% of the NFL bloggers out there (and probably 75% of the readers).1 So I figured, hell, if people with far less experience can chime in, there's no reason I shouldn't; unlike so many blog-writing Donnies, I am not out of my element, and I actually have a frame of reference. 

Long story short, my take on the whole thing is this:  The main argument of the "strip his award" crowd, that a player shouldn't be allowed to win if he takes steroids during the season, doesn't hold water.  I'll explain why after the jump.

Star-divide

 

As my buddy, a Rams fan who thinks James Laurinaitis should have won, put it on Facebook yesterday:

No matter how many NFLers actually use performance-enhancers (which I'm guessing is easily 2/3 of the league), if you're stupid enough to get caught, you deserve the fallout. And if you get caught and fail a test in any given season, you should never, ever be able to win an award that year. Not THAT year. [...] Fill me in if I'm missing the details, but they busted him in Sept., at that point he should've been ineligible for any honors that year. True, the rules don't specifically say that, but I think it's fairly reasonable to imply that that should be the case, isn't it?

Now, (a) I don't think it's reasonable to imply some arbitrary rule after the fact, but, more importantly, (b) to the extent we know anything about this case, it is that all of the evidence points to Cushing not using steroids during the 2009 season.

Here's what I mean: Steroids, generally speaking, are either taken orally or by injection.  The main reason that people tend to inject is that oral steroids tend to have much greater side effects, especially in terms of the toll they take on your liver/kidneys.  Injected steroids also tend to be more user-friendly in that a person has to take the oral steroids daily, which can be tedious during a typical 12-week cycle, but he generally only has to "pin" every few days.  (Note: this is a broad generalization)

However, the upside to oral steroids, if one is in a profession where such things are tested for, is that they have a much shorter half-life than injected steroids.  The difference between oral and injected in terms of how long the steroids stay in your system (and are therefore detectable) can be pretty huge.  The vast majority of oral steroids are undetectable in 3-4 weeks, depending on your metabolism.  Injected steroids, on the other hand, normally remain in your system from three to six months (or longer, depending on the type).  I've even heard, but have never verified, that some injected versions remain detectable for as long as 18 months.  But, generally, we are talking about a most-common scenario of the difference being between three weeks and three months for oral v. injected.

[Side note: In my experience, even people who start on oral steroids only tend to switch to injections if they use long enough.  Between the side effects of the orals and the ease of the injectables, that kind of makes sense.]

So, now that we all have a little context, let's look at this logically.  For purposes of this exercise, assume that Cushing was using.

  • The regular season started September 13, 2009.
  • There was one preseason September game on 9/4/09.
  • hCG is normally used for 3-4 weeks following a steroid cycle as part of a user's post-cycle therapy, and hCG does not mask the presence of steroids in a person's system.2
  • hCG generally takes 5-7 days to leave your system (for testing purposes) after ceasing use of it.
  • To my knowledge, we don't have an exact date of the failed test, but we do know it was "in September."
  • So, if Cushing was still testing positive for the hCG, but did not have any steroid in his system, we are looking at a window where, most likely, the steroid was last taken more than three weeks prior. (i.e., three weeks to leave the system, user either on week four of PCT or finished PCT less than a week before being tested)
  • Given that window, the shortest time period we're looking at is about 22 days.
  • Even if he were tested on the last day of September, 22 days prior to that puts his last use on September 8 --- five days before the season started.

Point being this: the cry that an award should be retroactively stripped if a player tests positive for a PED during the season is inapplicable inasmuch as (a) Cushing did not test positive for a PED at all, and (b) the timeline of what we do know makes it almost certain that he did not take any PEDs during the regular season.

What's more, all of this assumes oral steroid use with hCG taken immediately upon cessation of the cycle.  If there were gaps in time between the cycle and the PCT, or if Cushing's metabolism was not "normal" in terms of breaking down the by-products of any of the chemicals, the timeline could stretch back even further.

Does all of this "prove" that he didn't take steroids during the season?  No.  As with anything, there are exceptions to some of the above generalizations.  However, we are talking about a situation where he got banned for taking a drug that is banned solely because of its general association with PEDs.  Generalizations are all we have here.  In that situation, I think that taking the average timeline for all of this stuff is far more rational and far more likely to be correct than the conclusion-jumping, screaming, and baseless ranting of those who would have Cushing pilloried, stripped of every award, skinned alive, and set ablaze at the 50-yard line.

Also, to those who would say "well he still could have used during the preseason!?!?!?OMG!!one!!!," I say "so what?"  The pre-season is not the regular season.  If your argument is that his stats were inflated because of PED use (of which you still have no proof, by the way), then we are necessarily looking at the regular season.  He didn't win the DROY because of his play during the preseason, none of those stats carried forward, etc.  The DROY is based on the regular season only, so any talk of an inane retroactive punishment should be similarly limited.

1 Background: a family member used steroids during his last two years of high school, two good friends used during college, and I have talked to all three of them about it at length at one time or another. On top of that, I worked in a gym for nearly two years during college, and I had more than a few conversations about steroids with some of the regulars who were using. Does this make me an expert? Of course not. But in internet blogger terms, it makes me a friggin' oracle compared to most of them.

2 I want to get one semantic thing out of the way. I read a couple places yesterday that hCG is "not a masking agent." I understand the point of Mark Schlereth, et al, that hCG would not hide steroids if they were in your system. That said, one of the key markers that steroid testers look for when trying to detect if someone was using steroids is a low testosterone level. hCG is used to return testosterone production to normal after a cycle and, in effect, hides --- or masks --- the low level that would have given the prior use away. So while it might not mask the steroids directly, it does mask the trail they leave behind. But that's neither here nor there, I guess.

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Nicely said

But you ARE just a well known Cushing apologist. /Florio

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by bigfatdrunk on May 14, 2010 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

^This

"MDC: Droppin' knowledge like a librarian with Parkinson's." --Jonathan Loesche

by MDC on May 14, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goo'd

To me, the NFL looks horrible in this matter. How many months until a suspension? AYFKM?

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by bigfatdrunk on May 14, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only excuse for them I think of

Is that Cushing latched on to the tumor defense right away and managed to convince them to not suspend him because of it. Either way they should have been able to get that figured out by week 12.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on May 14, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fucking HR departments....

I challenge anyone to present evidence of a time that an HR department handled anything in a timely manner.

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on May 14, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think even week 12 is generous

Anything beyond the first battery of tests – which supposedly the league ordered – shouldn’t have taken very long.

Also, what Shake said. \ /

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by bigfatdrunk on May 14, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice post.

Very informative and great information.

by WhiskeyR on May 14, 2010 1:30 PM CDT reply actions  

What you say is true, BUT...

It’s not like all of the muscle he gains magically drops off of him as soon as the steroids and HcG is out of his system. Therefor, the use of steroids does enhance performance during the regular season.

That being said I think that the whole revote for DROY was absurd. The whole thing was unprecedented and I think that the fact that he was voted DROY again just proves how much the “professionals” of this sport thought it was uncalled for as well.

None of us know what the real story is on what happened and from the way things are being disclosed I doubt that we ever will. I don’t trust what he is saying and frankly I don’t care. Serve the 4 game suspension, put it in the past, and it better not freakin happen again.

by TexanSchmackDown on May 14, 2010 1:53 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

This is a key point left completely unadressed

Why would him having stopped using steroids a few weeks prior to the season, automagically mean his stats aren’t impacted by his steroid use? This article does not answer this very basic question.

by Thomas Beekers on May 14, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting information and argument, thanks MDC

Random thoughts:

IMO IF Cushing took steroids should be the only issue, not when he took them. Steroids help build muscle mass and hence a competitive advantage. Presently using them is illegal in the NFL and also societally if not prescribed by a physician. All steroid users in the NFL realize their benefits while playing regardless of the timing of their use.

If Cushing is telling the truth, then he is a victim. I actually hope he is not telling the truth because at this point testicular cancer may likely be much harder to recover from than a 4 game suspension.

If the majority of NFL players are using steroids, whynot just simplify things and eliminate them from the list of banned PED’s?

It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are due to get to the big dance...Go Texans!!!!!

by oiler-texan diehard on May 14, 2010 2:31 PM CDT reply actions  

you give them far too much credit

they would have to actually be able to read said posts.

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on May 14, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

It all makes sense now.

When I visit MCM and read an article by either August or somebody else, im always left wondering how do the comments below relate to the article above?

Now I know.

by Jordann on May 15, 2010 3:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice information.

Still it makes sense to me that he has been a user for a long period of his football career. He just looks transformed…

He plays well in my opinion. I really have doubts (as a Jags fan it’s what I do), that he’ll be the same guy next year…. We’ll have to wait and see on that.

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by silencecs on May 14, 2010 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

MDC, Please expand on this statement
That said, one of the key markers that steroid testers look for when trying to detect if someone was using steroids is a low testosterone level.

The reason I ask is I’m unclear on lowered testosterone levels caused by steroids. Realizing you’re not a Dr. (though I have it on good authority you play one at home), I’d still like to know your understanding of the effects of most steroids on testosterone levels.

380 pounds of pure pirogi

by LoneSpot on May 14, 2010 3:52 PM CDT reply actions  

You're body is so flooded with testosterone

It forgets to make its own.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on May 14, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

*your

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on May 14, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lemme see if I follow

If someone is on a cycle, their testosterone levels would be high. Once they’re off a cycle and have neglected to take hCG to restart natural production, their levels would be very low since the body is no longer producing testosterone. So:

  1. Cushing never tested positive for levels of testosterone outside of the normal levels?
  2. What he did test positive for is a substance typically used to restart the natural production of testosterone?
  3. This substance (hCG) is rarely naturally produced by the body at the levels for which he tested positive?
  4. The only way for the level of hCG to appear in his body is to ingest/inject or have it produced naturally by the body (which would be a marker for cancer)?
  5. The level of hCG for which he tested positive would not have been detected last year

Based on all of this, there are likely only three possibilities:

  1. He got caught cheating
  2. The positive test potentially could have saved his life by detecting cancer
  3. False positive

380 pounds of pure pirogi

by LoneSpot on May 14, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

5.

It probably would have been detected. Thats not the problem. Its just that last year that was considered within acceptable levels… i think

semantics.

There are a few other possible scenarios but these are probably the 3 most likely.

by AlDe2356 on May 14, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

That begs the question

Why the change in acceptable levels of hCG between last year and this?

380 pounds of pure pirogi

by LoneSpot on May 14, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

hCG

Is becoming more and more popular as I understand it. Remember, its what Manny got busted for last year.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on May 14, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

in other news..

I just listened to Steve Slaton on 610..he’s 100% healthy, 200 lbs and ready to take the starting role. He also was impressed with Caldwells play on the line and think he’ll be able to help the run game alot next year. Real good interview.

by leacheatsbabies on May 14, 2010 5:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I don’t think Slaton ever starts again. His injury was absolutely gruesome; my brother and I both had very similar injuries (related to stenosis) when we played football. The fusion work he had done in his neck makes playing RB very difficult, I’d imagine. I’ll be extremely surprised if Tate isn’t the starter at the very beginning of the season.

And I think Caldwell starting is a foregone conclusion. Our interior line, barring injury, will be Wade Smith – Chris Myers – Antoine Caldwell. I’ve heard from a few places that Brisiel might go straight to IR.

by krkenney on May 14, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

texans fans should wake up and realize

that that roidhead Brian Cushing is a lazy coward that wants to do everything the easiest way possible and not work hard for it like everyone else. He’s clearly a roid adict and will never escape the image he has brought on himself. He’ll be out of the league in a few years because he’s going to start doing it the right way and not be able to handle it. He represents everything the Texans organization is all about—- “Do anything to get into the playoffs, and I do mean anything.” wink+wink
                                                                            - Texans FO

by Hikupp on May 14, 2010 7:08 PM CDT reply actions  

maybe its the lack of sleep

what exactly are you hinting at here sir.

by AlDe2356 on May 14, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

That hes still mad that his team took Alualu

and is trying to make himself feel better by douche

living the Texas dream

by Joe25 on May 14, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

thats totally true. Its not like the guy has a reputation for being an insanely hard worker, or for following a diet that most sane people would refuse to follow. There is no proof the guy is lazy. There is in fact a lot of proof that he is the exact opposite. This isn’t Jose fucking Consaco.

Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

by nolander on May 14, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Id give your first two sentences

a 60/40 chance of being right.

But that 40 bugs me. I will wait for some proof, or more issues. Right now, he’s only screwed us out of his services for four games, so thats what I’ll hold him accountable for.

Your last sentence is absurd, in my opinion. Just about the exact opposite of what the Texans organization has been about to this point.

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on May 14, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

No no

Don’t judge a fan base because of one poster.

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by bigfatdrunk on May 15, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know, I know

every team has at least one ignunt sumbitch fan

by HoustonTransplant on May 15, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd actually pay you to post more

Not really, but some of these other guys might.

Put a “donate” link at the bottom of each of your posts, you never know.

I personally don’t care about any of this shit outside of the first four games of this season.

The 2010 season is already a few years behind a “must playoff season,” and if we start 0-4, I may need counseling.

Dunta's weightspeed was too low

by texanphil on May 14, 2010 9:09 PM CDT reply actions  

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