Andre Johnson Skips 2nd Day of OTAs. Panic Grips Texans Nation.
by bigfatdrunk on May 18, 2010 1:10 PM CDT
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PrintAccording to the lovely yet talented Nick Scurfield, Andre Johnson was a no show at OTAs again today.
Kent: Hordes of panicky people seem to be evacuating the town for some unknown reason. Professor, without knowing precisely what the danger is, would you say it's time for our viewers to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside?
Professor: Mmm, yes I would, Kent.
Couldn't have said it any better myself.
(No, I'm not panicking. I just like the quote)
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/lights face and genitals on fire!!!!!!!!!!
Chris - www.HoustonDiehards.com
by HoustonDiehards on May 18, 2010 1:12 PM CDT reply actions
It's always about you and your genitals, isn't it?
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
I got some on my balls by proxy once
Scratched myself a good while after putting some on my arm. Even that smidgen told me all I ever need to know about icy hot on the balls.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
From experience.
My inner thighs were cramping after playing football and my ex gf accidentally rubbed some on my balls.
spoken from experience Im sure
Be judgmental about the actions of the past, be hopeful about the actions of the future. -The Homers Creed
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
by Willgfass on May 18, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought this kind of stuff happened
to good NFL teams like the ones that make it to the playoffs or have winning seasons year after year.
Hey, at least we are finally in the media spolight like we’ve been wanting to be…
/sarcasm
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
thats the thing
we’re in a situation where we havent won squat yet we have 4 players every offseason who feel like they need to be the highest paid at their position. McNair has come out and said that players will be taken care of as long as they win. Obviously, Andre is worth the highest pay grade for NFL WRs but with 0 playoff berths or wins and 0 years in contention, I would urge Andre to be a good leader and take care of his business on the field…he knows he’s the best WR on the planet..Rick Smith does too and he’d be glad to discuss any concerns.
by leacheatsbabies on May 18, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Notes from
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/DMN-A-new-deal-for-Andre-Johnson.html
- Michael Lombardi, saying that re-doing a contract with 5 years left would send a wrong message to other players
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d8182d6e3/More-turmoil-in-Texas
- NFLTA talking about it as well..
Die hard Texan fan from the heart of Denmark!
Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RTc32qBpAk
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
WHY ISN'T IT SEPTEMBER YET
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
AJ
Has out played every contract he has, and currently has not garenteed money left on it, meaning if he got hurt at OTA’s they could cut him, and not pay an additional penny. I’m happy to have him skip OTA’s anyway, he can stay rested, with little risk of injury, then come back for training camp ready to go. This also give more time with the first team to guys who need the work.
You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB
that looks like a drop
or a bobble and subsequent beheading by a safety
by leacheatsbabies on May 18, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Broken chin at the least based on epic strap fail.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on May 18, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually have a pic of Slaton...
fumbling a ball off the Juggs machine, when I went to camp last season.
GO TEXANS!!!!
Our time will come...
Brian Cushing and Andre Johnson
have pretty much put the Texans on the map this offseason. I don’t care, I love it when people talk Texans even if it is perceived as “bad press”. Fuck this is the most offseason talk we’ve received as a team since 2002.
by b0ng on May 18, 2010 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
^THIS^
and rec’d
You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB
by Texans-Brocos on May 18, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Goo'd
and yea, completely agreed
Some people say "If you can't beat them, join them". I say "If you can't beat them, beat them", because they will be expecting you to join them, so you will have the element of surprise.
Um NO
and couldn’t disagree more.
I would much rather people be talking about the Texans being a playoff team with the SB within reach, Not Cush taking steroids and AJ being pissed he negotiated a contract for himself for 8 years $60MM and 2 years into it he wants to tear it up and wants a new one. Maybe I could see some of this if we had a team like the Pats, Steelers, Colts, Cowgirls, but come on man! People are talking about how stupid the Texans look right now and without even having gone to the playoffs (and don’t get me started about divisional play) these are all the wrong reason to be “happy” about the exposer. This thing stinks and I wish you could see it for what it really is.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
It's either the Texans
or Brett fucking Favre. I’ll take the Texans and their “problems” 11 times out of 10. And this, what this really is, is the media being completely bored in the offseason and looking for something sensational to blow up.
Nobody talks about the Texans to make the playoffs or the SB unless it’s their “tricky/trendy dark horse pick WHOA THESE GUYS MIGHT BE GOOD”. Please, the surprise team gets about 5 seconds of press and then it’s back to pats/steelers/cowboys/colts chat.
You better believe that since we’ve made so much noise this offseason we are going to have more eyes on us and our play this regular season coming up. That’s not a bad thing.
by b0ng on May 18, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
right
because now everyone will tune in to see Cush sit the bench for 4 games and AJ who just wants more money like everyone else that is already making tons of it. This isn’t anything anyone will pay attention to or care about once the season starts – well maybe except for actual Texans fans but the rest of the country won’t care.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
The fact that the Texans have made
Some busty headlines since the draft people will tune in. Media people will also point and say “remember all that off season stuff? Well. . .” Again, just to re-iterate a very old and fitting saying.
“There’s no such thing as bad press.”
"There’s no such thing as bad press."
I strongly disagree with that statement.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
Lawrence Taylor and Big Ben
agree with that statement.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on May 18, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Andre Smith
does NOT agree with that message.
If he's not going to do it the right way.
He doesn’t deserve a new contract. Or even an extension.
And if he does get that extension, you can say goodbye to Mario Williams.
^ This is true ^
He should not get a new contract. He already has one and the Texans should make him play it out.
Don’t give in Smithiak – make his uncle starve!
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
This would be a completely different conversation
If he had 2 or 3 years left on his deal and he wanted an extension to retire a Texan.
I think he just has to wait, continue working, and hope the Texans do reward him.
"Lord, beer me strength."
hmmm
Normally I am all about honoring contractual obligations and such… but…
the NFL economy is completely ass-backwards. When the team can cut you and not have to honor that same contract, well… I think AJ is completely within his rights to tell them to pay him more when he clearly has earned more than his current contract is worth.
True
and the Texans have every right to tell him STFU and play football – we’re paying you what you wanted.
“clearly has earned more than his current contract is worth” – where do you get that?
His contract is worth $60 mil – he hasn’t fullfilled it or earned all of it yet.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
That's what contract escalators are for.
If you think you’re going to outplay the contract you’re about to sign, why did you sign it?
If you think you’re gonna be worth more in a couple of years after you signed your contract, why dont you add a clause in your contract that enables you to renegotiate more money?
Sure, Andre has been the best receiver in the NFL for the past two years. But in no way has he “outplayed” his contract. He’s got five more years to go.
I say sit down, shut up, and do your job.
by Jordann on May 18, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ESPN Radio's Scott Van Pelt Show talking on 80...
Saying while Andre deserves it…he signed the 8 year deal and got his big bonus so he should honor the deal.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Mothership interview
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv/index.asp?mm_file_id=4107&play_clip=Y
in the latest video segment from todays practice, Kubiak says that Amobi is down to 286 lbs right now.. see… that’s kinda low?
And Slaton makes a great catch.. nice vid.
Die hard Texan fan from the heart of Denmark!
Amobi had talked about...
how he wanted to cut his weight down to 290 which is what he was at when he “Set the world on fire at his Senior Bowl.”
He has had his weight go up and up as he was miscast as a run-stuffer (he had been 315 last season I believe) so if this brings his game up to that top 10 level then I’m all for it. Losing 30 pounds should bring his quickness back.
"Lord, beer me strength."
He' not even half way into the deal
The Texans should not renegotiate. Although, this year is uncapped and a one-time bonus should keep Andre happy this season and next. Then they can renegotiate next year if he stays healthy.
But yes, the precedent it sets could bite the team in the arse.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on May 18, 2010 3:20 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Yes.
They should pay him, because he’s the best player on the team. Ergo, he gets paid.
Good news!!!
They have been paying him since he started in the league and they are also willing to pay him the $5.8 mil for this season that he negotiated in his contract. So no more worries there Jimbo, he is getting paid.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
by Bobobigbro on May 18, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Also it should be a renegotioation and extention.
Give him most of the money now in this uncapped year then the current deal the next two years when we need to re sign Mario and Schaub, then ramp it back up in the new bit. Nice time to play with the cap it is now.
Yes
Exactly. Use the bonus. Lots of tricks we can do this year. Let’s do something.
If I were Smith, I wouldn’t renegotiate the contract, but I would offer him a bonus to offset. This would be “guaranteed” money (de facto as a bonus), and would probably make him happy. Should be easy to do, as well.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
by bigfatdrunk on May 18, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Right (in theory)
but that’s not the way it is apparently. They gave him a $15 mil sign on/bonus/guaranteed when HE renegotiated his own contract and agreed to the terms TWO years ago. There is no reason to believe he wouldn’t do this again and I think it sets a bad precedence for the team, the players and the entire league. Work it out in the next CBA but until then he needs to just play out the contract he agreed to. Keep in mind this is the highest potential paying contract out there for a WR and he has the potential to earn all of it.
Confucius say "man who enter door sideways going to Bangkok".
So what?
He’s not happy with his contract, is clearly worth more than his contract, so you pay him more. People do this all the time. It is not a big deal.
An illustrative example: Two weeks ago my lawn guy, who is amazing and makes my lawn beautiful (weed, trim, etc.) asked me for a raise. I gave it to him because even though I could find a cheaper option, he’s worth it because my lawn is beautiful. And I like that. Now, when the spring started we’d agreed on a price for the whole year. Granted, I did not formalize this contract in writing. Was I mad when he wanted more money? Not really, frankly I thought I’d been getting a terrific value over the last year or two and that he was underpricing himself for the service. Easily the best lawn service I’ve ever had, hands down.
Andre Johnson over the last two years was one of the best values and the best wide receiver in the league. If he wants to be paid as such, power to him. It’s not a guaranteed contract, and if he gets hurt and ends his career when he shows up at OTAs to make you happy, the Texans will cut him without any qualms or hesitation. Why is the moral onus on him to stand by his contract?
This is not a Dunta situation, unlike dunta, AJ does not suck profusely. In fact, he’s rather good.
The only reason I can ever think of in situations like this that fans side with obscenely rich owners over extremely rich players is team. We all know that the owners, rich as they are, will not pay all of our players, cap or no cap. And we want to win, so we want a legion of cheap players who we can stockpile. Trouble is, that’s not reality. Reality is this is an uncapped year, we have the best receiver in football, and we really ought to pay him. Let’s just be honest about this and what’s going to happen, and save the consternation for something else…I don’t know, Owen Daniels maybe?
by JimboTexan on May 19, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"we have the best receiver in football, and we really ought to pay him."
Here’s my gripe: we already paid him. He got a fat fucking contract. Is he the highest-paid receiver in the game? No. The freak of nature who got a #1-overall rookie contract and the player who has been statistically better than Andre over the past few years (as well as appeared in a superbowl) both have bigger contracts. I can’t explain Brandon Marshall’s contract, but eh, these things happen.
However, as much as we like to tout him as the best receiver in football, we don’t have any real means of proving that. Truthfully, he is one of the best receivers in football. And accordingly, he’s being paid like one of the best receivers in football.
Honestly
I love AJ but he has 5 years left on an 8 year deal which he asked for and got from the Texans 3 years ago. His uncle is his agent and as such he has no one but himself to blame if he feels he is underpaid. In 2 years when he has only 3 years left then we can talk about giving him a new contract but if we sign him now, we handicap ourselves for the future. We have to re-sign Mario soon and if we ever want to we have to say no to AJ for right now.
Just to play Devil's Advocate...
You wouldn’t say that there’s a difference between being a very good(not yet great) player coming off an injury getting a solid(again, not great) deal, and AJ as he is now?
Do the stupid contracts that have happened over the last couple of offseasons not change anything?
Are you really saying that he doesn’t deserve more money?
Would it be such a terrible thing to draw up an extension with a very large bonus this year, 1-2 years added to his existing deal, and maybe raising his salary 10%?
We’re not going to break the bank giving him some kind of really big bonus this season and a small raise on what was a very solid contract a few years ago (but has quickly become obsolete).
Does sending the message ‘Hey, if you play lights out and become the hands-down best at your position for a couple of years, we’ll reward you’ REALLY become a bad thing for the rest of the team to see?
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
Earned
He’s earned it a 100 times over, my point is just that to pull this now feels like his uncle’s doing instead of his. AJ has never been one to make a stink and I still love the guy, but it’s the same as the OD situation, other teams have been giving WR’s who are lesser than AJ more than what they are worth, just like Tampa did with KW2. If AJ had 2 or 3 years left on his deal I would be all for him getting a new one, but he has 5 left and if we give him s breal the bank contract today we hurt tomorrow with our inability to sign the rest of our core team. If he and the Team work it our so he gets more money upfront then fine but to re-do a deal with 5 years left sets a bad precedent.
It depends on how you structure the deal, give him most of the money this season without the cap...
And then drop to the current deal when we need to re sign Mario and Schaub and other key players. Then make it up at the end of the deal if he is still playing.
Yeh, if you look around the league
I’m sure you can find a long list of players that signed a contract that they feel, based on how they have played since the signing, are underpaid. And, on the flip-side there is a litany of players who have not played to their contract value.
Where do you draw the line? Perhaps, the Texans can toss AJ a bone to keep him happy until the team gets to the playoffs, or better yet, wins the Super Bowl….
I suppose, to satisfy all, every contract can be reviewed and a determination can be made to renegotiate every contract? Does that sound fair? Let’s see…Steve Slaton, you had an awful year last year, but you already don’t make much, so your contract will stay the same. Kris Brown, your kicking was atrocious last season, so sorry, we’ll have to cut your pay…that is if you make the team. Hmmm, Andre Davis; you’ve been stealing us blind for the last 3 seasons, so if you want to remain a Texan, then please pass the bucks to AJ….
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Agreed
Rip this argument sums up my feelings. He got a 8 year deal and 3 years in he wants a new one? Lavar Arrington did this with the Redskins and he lost all fan support and then was cut from the team just 2 years later, and he was never the same player.
exactly
The only way this seems equitable to me is if the team reserves the same right to renegotiate any player’s contract who sucked the year before. If some players can say they “outplayed” their contract and deserve a new one, the team should be able to say that certain other players “underplayed” their contract and will be given a new one that is commensurate with their current level of performance. Simple.
IT'S OBVIOUS WHAT ANDRE IS DOING....
no one has mentioned Brian Cushing in two days and he is right there for the media:)
GO TEXANS!!!!
Our time will come...
Wow good theory....
Maybe Andre is trying to give the media something to focus on instead of brian… i like this idea… imma call him and find out…
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
Rest of the team
so how are the other 77 Texans doing or how ever big the roster is now
our space eating NT tackle just got bigger
Though Texans DT Frank Okam gained eight pounds and reported at 346, the former University of Texas lineman displayed his athleticism by diving to deflect a screen pass headed towards Ryan Moats. Fellow lineman Tim Jamison also hurried the quarterback with a nice spin move.
that should make alot of you happy. who needs dan williams now bitches lol.
Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo!
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6167
There’s a Day 2 link.
Apparently, Jacoby Jones is looking fantastic.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Great
Now how do we make the next 4 months go by?
That's awesome!
Remember last year, there was talk about Glover Quin while that CB whose name shall never be mentioned was sitting out…yes, that’s right. Anyways, all that talk about Quin wasn’t just talk. I’m not going out on a limb when I say that talk about JJ isn’t just talk either. What’s happening here, is JJ is earning playing time and costing AJ some plays, that’s what’s happening….
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I wouldn't say AJ is going to be sitting on the bench some...
but it does give me hope that Jacoby’s gonna get all this work with Schaub and gets more of the receiving pie.
AJ will be AJ and come back and catch 100+ balls for 1500+ yards, but during OTAs you wanna hear about guys like Jacoby, the rookies, Okoye….guys who really are pushing for more playing time.
"Lord, beer me strength."
From Kubes today
(on his thoughts on Garrett Graham so far) “He reminds me a lot of OD (Owen Daniels) when we got him. You can tell he’s been well coached, very smart, and knows what he’s doing. Obviously it’s a big step forward for him, but he’s getting a chance within this next month to basically be a starter. With the number of people we’re working with at TE, he’ll get a chance. We’ll see.”
hmm looks like ODs situation is slowly pushing him out of favor with Kubes.
by leacheatsbabies on May 18, 2010 5:58 PM CDT reply actions
What situation?
OD’s not able to run the drills cause he’s not healthy yet.
"Lord, beer me strength."
sounds like a situation to me
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Injury isn't going to push OD out of favor with Kubes....
Now if OD were healthy and sitting out…that’d do it.
"Lord, beer me strength."
it's definately a situation
A player coming off a 3rd ACL reconstruction and having a contract dispute 2 years running qualifies as a situation to me. Especially when the coach is saying a draft pick “reminds” him alot of said player and says he has a chance to work in as a starter.
by leacheatsbabies on May 18, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course Graham has a chance to work in the starter's role
None of our TEs are really healthy right now.
I do agree that a “young OD copy” spells doom for OD’s future. I just don’t think if OD were signed that it’d make a difference since he can’t practice as it is.
"Lord, beer me strength."
True
I’m just reading a little too much into stuff but what else can we do 4 months away from watching any football..
/sobs
by leacheatsbabies on May 18, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, it's a situation all right....
Whether it’s injury, or holdout….a rookie coming in and working into the starting rotation and being lauded by the head coach is definitely a situation.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
hah
I was being a smartass. I don’t think it’ll knock OD out of favor, but it will give these yungins a chance to possibly win some more playing time.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
1560
Just had both David Anderson and Richard justice on at the same time, and for a while I thought it would come to blows!
You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB
Here's a link to the Sean and John podcast
The first 4 up there right now are the 4 DA and Richard Justice segments
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
Unavoidable
Since Justice blows
Ahhhhh, my fantasy is that Justice takes a swing a DA, and DA pummels him. Justice gets fired, and the fans erect a statue of DA in front of Reliant.
Shit i would take the hit
and bang LDJA12’s daughter… 9 yr difference i could teach her a thing or two ;)
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
Wait on that...
Do you really want LDJA12 stalking you down….think of what he’s capable of.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Sounds like Andre needs to hire a new agent
and quit using an uncle who’s probably just riding the gravy train. Most negotiated contracts don’t even span 5 years..he’s got 5 years left on an already restructured contract. I’m all for giving the guy more bonus money, he’s obviously worth another 10 mil or so guaranteed, but it’s selfish to hold out and not honor a deal you just recently made with 5 years still remaining.
by leacheatsbabies on May 18, 2010 8:17 PM CDT reply actions
exactly
why would you sign an 8 year deal, when all the real and guaranteed money is made in a signing bonus. i know you want to protect yourself in case of injury, but the more deals you sign the more signing bonus’s you’ll will recieve and if you play great, a bigger contract. Family should never be your agent…and never sign for more than 4-5 years. that 8 year deal don’t mean shit if ain’t guaranteed.
Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo!
Idea
Look, Andre has turned into an almost Jekyll/Hyde relationship with Houston. Andre is Dr. Jekyll, the brilliant scholar and amazing mind at what he’s capable of, but he’s got his Hyde…his blasted uncle.
Can we just get the Harris County district courts to file a restraining order on AJ’s uncle? My God, when he gets into the picture, AJ’s a completely different person, like Jerry Rice to Terrell Owens. That’ll save all of us Texans fans a few gray hairs and an ulcer or two, and Heaven knows the last thing I need to pay for on insurance is a bloody ulcer courtesy of AJ’s agent/uncle/personal albatross.
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