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Andre Johnson's missed the first two days of OTAs. While the workouts are voluntary, opinions vary about whether 'Dre should be missing any team activities, considering he's three (3) years into an eight-year/$60,000,000.00 deal he signed back in March 2007. Express yourself after the jump.

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A little more than three (3) years ago, the Texans were proactive and signed Andre Johnson to an eight (8) year deal worth $60,000,000.00, with $15,000,000.00 in guaranteed money. While 'Dre still had a couple years left on his rookie deal, the Texans were smart to lock him up when they did; there's not a whole lot of debate on that. Andre Johnson certainly didn't have to sign the deal, but he did.

Now, in light of the recent big money deals given to Larry Fitzgerald and Brandon Marshall (among others), 'Dre wants a mulligan. How does that strike you? Considering that the only promises in NFL contracts come in the form of guaranteed money, should players be able to renegotiate while under contract? Or do you adhere to the notion that a contract is a contract? Vote in the Poll and elaborate in the Comments.

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Andre Johnson Wants More Money. Your Thoughts?
Pay Him, Rick.
272 votes
'Dre Is Under Contract, And He Needs To Play Out The Remaining Years. A Deal's A Deal.
142 votes

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AJ is following the advice of his uncle-agent

…The sam uncle-agent who negotiated the current deal which I think we were all surprised about at the time it was signed. The current contract was a poor contract. It was too long and should have and could have included more guaranteed money. Last season. AJ’s uncle-agent made an outrageous statement that AJ reacted to with dismissal. Now he is following his advice and sitting out of voluntary OTAs. Rick Smith ha volunteered to sit down and discuss the situation. No matter how badly the uncle-agent negotiated before, the team is showing good faith in meeting to discuss this. But there is potential for backlash for the team.

Is a team required to renegotiate with every player that plays beyond his contract value? Well, what about players that under perform? When a player under performs, the team can cut the player. We saw this in the last year when teams cut aging players just before big bonuses were due. That’s part of the money side of football.

The Texans can take a chance and force AJ to continue playing under the existing contract and chance that he will be unhappy and that will be reflected in his play. The Texans didn’t expect that when they signed the contract.

There may be other repercussions if the Texans renegotiate. If they give AJ more money, that means there is less money for other players under the cap, which is not in effect as of today but may be come league/player’s association later this year.

The current contract will take AJ out to when he will be 34…maybe his last contract.

Because AJ is an elite player and is expected to retain the status, it seems likely that the Texans will move to renegotiate. But, I warn AJ. If he gets what he wants, he will have to beware of the repercussions that other elite players have faced. I think if he gets his raise/bonus, there is a good chance that he won’t be retiring a Texan because if his performance falters, he will find himself getting cut when he finds himself being overpaid.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on May 19, 2010 6:58 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

There's no easy answer

In one sense Dre is only 2 years into a long term deal that he knew was also heavily front loaded. He knew he would have a relatively low salary after the first few years when he went into this thing so he should just suck it up. On the other hand, even though he’s under contract the Texans are free to cut him at any time. Not that they would do that now, but he knows if he slows down dramatically for some reason he’s got no chance of seeing the last few years of the current deal…that’s not a very comfortable situation to be in when the other party can end a contract at will and you have no options. I can understand him wanting to get as much as possible while he can. Not going to OTA’s mini-camp is really the only bargaining chip he has so I don’t hold it against him for using it….though I hope he’s there for camp. Once you’ve made your statement the only people it hurts are yourself and your teammates.

Dre is easily the best WR in the league, and even without my battle red glasses on there’s no doubt he’s in the top two or three. He should get payed like it, although I think it’s still fair to include his signing bonus from the last extension as part of the calculation to get him to an equitable level compared to Fitzgerald. Even though his deal was front loaded the Texans got a steal on his last contract extension. Dre signed it so that’s not the Texans fault, but Dre’s team easily underestimated his market value…which is why as much as I loathe all those agent/lawyer types, Dre should have used one instead of his Uncle.

My guess is they tack on a roster bonus or two in there somewhere and keep the salary schedule roughly the same. The Texans wanted to front load his deal originally because they had the room to and to allow them some more flexibility when it came time for guys like Mario, Demeco, or whoever to be re-upped. Losing that basic structure now would really put a kink in that plan.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on May 19, 2010 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

If this were anything but football

I would say tough shit for Andre, but this is football. Contracts are not guaranteed. I don’t get why a player should be expected to play out the length of his contract without complaining or ever trying to get more money when the front office can basically void the contract at any time. If Andre suffered a career-ending injury in OTAs the team would waive him without a second thought. It’s a ridiculous situation. And Andre sacrifices his body for this team, he plays hard every play, and he’s the best receiver in the game – he deserves to get paid.

by cubic on May 19, 2010 9:04 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Basically, a deal is not a deal for the front office, so why should it be for a player?

by cubic on May 19, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You are mistaken cubic

The deal IS the deal, complete with the terms that the team can cut the player at any time. Everyone seems to forget that. That IS the deal.

And, another thing everyone is forgetting is that a player’s production can diminish, too. This contract takes AJ out to when he is 34. Where is the guarantee that his production wil continue after he turns 30? There are 4 years at the back end of this deal where it is a very realistic assumption that it will not be the AJ of old and yet, he is getting a raise every year.

Yes, he is top dog right now, but he has received his signing bonus that the team has to spread over the duration of the contract. He has been paid already!

If I can take the position of the team on this, AJ has been compensated fairly and if he does what he’s expected to do, then both parties should be happy going forward.

From the teams perspective, the only thing I would negotiate would be making more of the money guaranteed. I would not increase the contract value.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on May 19, 2010 10:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t think there’s any question that Johnson has a right to feel he should be one of the top paid recievers in the league, but does it really make sense for the Texans to renegotiate? They have him under contract untill he’s in his mid 30s now, what do they stand to lose with him being unhappy about his pay unless he lays down on the field over it, at which point he’d only prove that his character isn’t deserving of being the highest paid player at his position.

Football is a business too, and it isn’t good business to pay more than you need to for services that are already locked up untill there’ll likely be deminishing returns on the field.

by Bryan72076 on May 19, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Just sayin'

With a 2 to 1 advantage, it’s interesting to see people voting to pay AJ. I wonder what the results would’ve been for Dunta this time last year.

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by bigfatdrunk on May 19, 2010 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Fuck Dunta

See what you made me do?

380 pounds of pure pirogi

by LoneSpot on May 19, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

You mean.....

The CB whose name shall not be mentioned?

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on May 19, 2010 1:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

One big difference between the two

ok, there are several, but we’ll make it one.

Andre Johnson has been pretty much the best wide receiver you can ask for. He’s talented, motivated, and he’s had one instance before this, but it was his uncle that was leading it (seriously, keep this outside of the family, AJ!). An elit receiver with an Achilles’ Heel in the form of his “uncle/agent/personal albatross” (I’m quoting myself there…does that make me egotistical?)

The other guy may have hit people hard, but they usually still got the ball, he had a penchant for being pretty dang stubborn, and he was just about the laziest character in the Texans whose name didn’t rhyme with Mavid Starr. The only time in a few years we got any real production out of him was when he was auditioning for other teams on his contract year, and even then, he wasn’t outstanding.

Off-topic, but this needs to be saidl…In Rick we Trust.

by J-Copp on May 21, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

DO not give himi a new contract. That would be HORRIOBLE for the future of the league.

HOWEVER, you can RESTRUCTURE his current contract.

I say change it to be $60M in garaunteed money with $15M in incentives. And maybe knock a year off of the end.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

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by TexansForever on May 19, 2010 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

^this!!!

"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!

by Taco Joe on May 19, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

how about,

add 10 years, and lock him up forever, pay the man what he wants, but keep him in Battle Red!

Some people say "If you can't beat them, join them". I say "If you can't beat them, beat them", because they will be expecting you to join them, so you will have the element of surprise.

by Kiratomi on May 19, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

From Twitter

  
Andre Johnson is going to report to the Texans’ fourth OTA on Thursday. His uncle and agent, Andre Melton, meets with GM Rick Smith Friday

You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB

by Texans-Brocos on May 19, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

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