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As fans of the Houston Texans, we traffic in too-many-tight-ends jokes. It's impossible not to when your team hoards them as though tight ends will soon replace the dollar as currency in the United States. There's Joel Dreessen. There's James Casey. There's Anthony Hill. There's Garrett Graham. There's Michael Gaines. There's Dorin Dickerson (maybe, anyway; Dickerson is listed as a wide receiver, but not everyone is convinced).
And last but certainly not least, there's Owen Daniels--the one tight end on the roster with a proven history of success and production. Yet OD is also coming off surgery for a torn right ACL. Plus, he tore his left ACL twice--once in high school and once in college, with the collegiate injury resulting in a torn MCL to boot. And there's the little matter of Daniels playing this season on a(nother) one-year tender.
Does all this stuff add up to Owen Daniels not being in Smithiak's long-term plans? Thoughts after the jump...
I'm afraid the answer to that question may well be "yes." Not because Owen Daniels isn't a helluva football player, but because the team and OD may have very different ideas as to what a suitable contract entails. If OD wants Kellen Winslow money (e.g., more than $20,000,000.00 in guaranteed dough), the Texans simply may decide they don't want to pay, especially with potentially new and costly deals for Matt Schaub, Andre Johnson (Brandon Marshall's new contract almost mandates additional money for 'Dre), Mario Williams, and/or Bernard Pollard. Factor in the army of tight ends on the roster, and Smithiak could convince themselves that they could weather life without Owen Daniels.
Make no mistake: The Houston Texans are a markedly better football team with Owen Daniels at tight end. For all the questions about whether OD was a product of Kubes' system, the production at TE (and the offense's performance, perhaps?) took a noticeable dip once OD wasn't lining up. The question is whether that production is worth the kind of contract OD and his people think it is. Do you think it is? Spout off in the Comments below.
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We can hope...
Or at least I hope…that Smithiak will be able to get a deal done in the same fashion that they got the deal done for Demeco. One that was reasonable for both the player and the FO. But it seems to be the overriding opinion that the FO plans to wait out this season to see how he comes back from his knee surgery anyway.
Jacoby is my ghostwriter.
I'd disagree that the TE slot took a dip.
The TE fell out of favor, but bounced back for Miami and New England. Aside from that, the passing offense didn’t really suffer. Andre went into beast mode, JD had some good games, JAcoby had some big games, DA stepped up…etc.
I do think the Texans are gonna play hardball with OD. Why shouldn’t they? The passing offense didn’t miss a beat without him, they have depth at TE, and he’s coming off another ACL tear. The leverage is on their side, and Smithiak should do his best to get a fair deal.
If OD comes back and has a great year, should we re-sign him? Yeah. However, if he’s demanding too much of the pie and that gets in the way of Schaub, Andre, Mario, and BP….then he becomes valuable trade bait and OD will still get a good deal. Essentially, OD will get paid if he plays well.
And, Durga forbid, if he comes back and gets hurt again or doesn’t produce at a high level…..then Smithiak looks smart for not giving him a deal based on what he’s done and for grabbing those TEs – like OD Jr.
I like OD, like what he has done, love what he brings to the table, but Rick Smith is handling this the correct way.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on May 6, 2010 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
rick smith is handling this well
but a four game losing streak immediately after OD went out means he was signinficantly missed and it was a transition period to say the least
but with that said they adjusted in the end and mayb its a Yao Ming-like issue where they are at the realization that he may not be the same and have to plan to be ready to move on without him which is def smart BUT geez 20 TE’s is enuff they need not to sign another one
The four game losing streak was an effect of a lack of a running game
During those four games Steve had the most rushing yards with 57 yards. the Two games that followed Matt had 365 & 367 yards and Foster had good games rushing in the last two.
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it was a combination of things
i didnt say it was solely on OD bein out, but it certainly factored in the passing game and it hurt us
the D couldnt stop the run in the jax game when they ran the clock out in the infamous ‘’HB pass game’’ and OD woulda certainly helped in that GL situation
to say OD wasnt missed wouldnt b smart while also the runnin game was non-existent, it was M.I.A. the entire season, coupled with other factors i.e. bad coaching in crucial situations etc
The passing game didn't suffer...
2009 per game average: 291 yards
4 game losing streak average: 285 yards.
The lowest total, of course, was at Jacksonville when Schaub missed some playing time and subjected us to the abomination known as Sexy Rexy.
"Lord, beer me strength."
yea the stats back ur assessment
but stats dont tell the whole story.. jus OD’s presence was invaluable
the intangible part is more valuable than jus matching his production ya kno
for instance when he made that 1-handed TD catch against Cincy, no other TE on our roster can be the type of playmaker he is, mayb Casey but Ill have to see it
OD’s production can be replaced per se but his impact goes beyond numbers
Ah intangibles
Whenever someone has a poor argument, you’re always there to pick up the slack.
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by riversmccown on May 6, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
i dont have a poor argument wtf are u talkin about
intangibles are equally imprtant as stats and team chemistry
u dont understand sports and have never played to know thats true
::facepalm::
Dude, I have actually started to like your perspective(if not your basic grasp of english grammar and syntax), but one thing I’ve noticed in my short time here is that Rivers generally knows enough about the sport not to make completely innane comments.
Yes, intatangibles are an important part of the NFL, if not to the same extent as the NBA (see Shane Battier), but football leadership is different than that of basketball. OD might be a sort of leader, but it’s not the same as when Shane takes the floor for the Rockets. When you have a total minimum of 22 guys playing every game, it’s a completely different ballgame than when there are only 5. OD might be a leader ON the team, but he’s not the leader OF the team, I mean, that’s where Matt Schaub, AJ, Demeco, Cushing and Pollard come into view. A 3rd tier leader might still be a leader, but he’s not the indispensable part that you seem to think he is. Would the Texans be better with him on the roster next year? Who knows. There are still OTA’s and camp to go through, and in all honesty, someone might step up and be a better fit for a lower price, you never know. That’s part of the beauty of this sport we love.
Don’t make me lose the respect I’ve gained for you by posting comments like this very often.
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
by Autra on May 6, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
This. Is. AWESOME!
As you can see, I have left you alone. You have changed the way you commented(less text-speak) so I started to listen to your opinion.
But whenever someone comes up to you with a smart remark, you get all butt-hurt like BIGBADBRAD. From the looks of it, if you had a blog and somebody called you out. You would use the “BANHAMMAH!” without hesitation.
What im trying to say is chill out dude. Everybody here is more than welcome to share their views. And if you get called out, so be it. Defend your point and refrain from using personal attacks. Prove them wrong by showing them the facts and further explaining the premise of your argument.
Intangibles are important at earlier levels.
Everyone who plays in the NFL has had the choking, sulking, taking plays off, etc. beat out of them. Either that or they’re so good it just doesn’t matter.
I’m not the sort of stat nerd that sits around and laughs at people thinking there is more going on then what we can quantify, but generally, when you are backing intangibles as the sole reason someone is valuable, you have no argument.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
I agree the intangibles argument is stupid
What would be a useful comparison would be how we did in the red zone with OD, and how we did without. I think that would be where he would be the most missed.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
nevermind
We went 2/3 2/2 3/4 and 2/4. Thats pretty good in the red zone.
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by nolander on May 7, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
uhhhh
Did brown have any fgs in the 20 he missed in those 4 games?
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I think they do
but only if we get into the red zone.
Assmass alone does not a NT make.
I'd rather see if our first half 3rd down performance suffered due to lack of OD
Our prevent, eat the clock offense was so horrible last year that I doubt that poor second half performances of the offense can be attributed to lack of OD, and not coaches.
Assmass alone does not a NT make.
One-handed catch? Daniels has good hands. That’s evident by his 97.6% catch rate.
That’s not an intangible though. An intangible is something that’s hard to quantify….something hard to grasp…..like passion, will to win, toughness, etc. You can’t quantify those and neither can I.
Your claim was the passing game suffered, but the stats don’t show that. I gave you the per game passing yardage, but let’s go into another….
Per game average for Schaub during the losing streak: 27/37 for 277 yards with 1.5 TDs and 1.25 INTs for a QB rating of 93.5.
His per game average for all 16 games: 25/36 for 298 yards with 1.8 TDs and 1 INT.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Intangible would also include..
How the defence treats the team without OD on the field. How did his absence affect the opposition play calling? We’ll never know.
Would a team go man to man with Dressen or Casey, but be forced into zone if OD was there?
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by distant_texans_fan on May 7, 2010 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions
No
They are busy committing 2 or 3 guys to Andre Johnson. Which is exactly the argument I’d make for him being the most valuable Texan in that last thread if i were around to look at it.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
Passing yards doesn't tell the whole story
Show me 3rd downs converted in games with and without OD..all I know is at the beginning of the year, OD was good for more than a couple drive-saving 3rd and long grabs a game. Show me catches/yards for TEs…TE is a large part of our passing and play action/bootleg game..thats ODs world.
Just because we made a couple more garbage completions in games that we were playing from behind in, doesn’t show how important OD was to the natural game time progression of our offense. What holds more water, however, is the 5-3 record while he was on an all-pro campaign, and the 0-4 when he was in on hospital bed.
by leacheatsbabies on May 6, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
4-3...
he got hurt early in the Buffalo game. 4-3 with. 5-4 without. Virtually identical. So it doesn’t hold any water. Also, Schaub’s passing average are fairly identical with the split. He doesn’t seem to play better or worse with or without him.
You’re whole argument is assuming that OD doesn’t get shut down. No receiver ever gets shut down, right? Safe assumption. You’re also not considering that OD in the game pulls catches and yards from other players since the averages do not really differ from Schaub’s per game average.
"Lord, beer me strength."
ok no assumptions?
how about 40 rec, 500 yards and 5 TDs in 7 games. Want some perspective? Andre had 38 rec, 630 and 4 TDs in that span. Reggie Wayne had 42 for 542 and 5 TDs. This is a tight end putting up WIDE RECIEVER numbers. I’m sorry but theres no denying what kind of a year OD was putting together last year and also no denying that we could’ve easily converted atleast 2 close games into wins if he was there.
by leacheatsbabies on May 6, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Like I said...
OD’s catches and yards takes away from others since the overall numbers are hitting the averages. Nothing changes.
OD doesn’t keep Schaub from getting sacked 10 times in those 4 games (compared to 15 in the other 12 games) with another 11 hits and 53 pressures (compared to 20 hits and 74 pressures in the other 12 games).
OD doesn’t stop Schaub from turning over the ball 6 times (5 INTs, 1 fumble) or the Sexy Rexy and HB Toss picks…..of course, seeing how often he was harrassed should make the turnovers less surprising.
OD doesn’t make those missed FGs…..
OD doesn’t stop Chris Johnson, MJD, VY, or Joseph Addai from putting up 521 rushing yards in 4 games……
It’s been said before, if losing a TE means we lost 4 straight games then this team is worse than anyone realizes. Why did we lose those 4 games? Because we suck in the division. Plain and simple.
"Lord, beer me strength."
point me to where I said OD was THE reason we lost those games?
Like I’ve said, just as easy as it is to say the Oline, defense, Kris Brown, Chris Brown, or even Rex freakin Grossman lost those games for us, losing an experienced and currently torching-the-league all-pro tight end seems to be a qualifying reason..right? ESPECIALLY when we lose the next 4 RIGHT after we lose him. It’s a results business my friend..we can talk stats all we want but the fact is losing OD was a shock to our tight-end heavy offense and it we couldn’t recover from it quick enough to keep from dooming our season.
We were 1 win away from being a playoff team. Once again, I’d say having an all-pro tight end who’s succeeded in the offense for 3 years and was well on his way to another pro-bowl earns us 1 maybe 2 more wins, but we’ll agree to disagree.
by leacheatsbabies on May 6, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll agree to disagree
because you’re assuming. You have no argument to stand on.
The stats support that there was no real dip in the passing game. Look at Schaub’s game log, there’s no difference in the passing game. You would never tell that OD went out by looking at Matt Schaub’s numbers. You don’t just add OD to the equation…you have to subtract looks and targets to Andre, KW, Jacoby, and DA. All 4 of those guys delivering very well down the stretch as Matt Schaub spread the ball around (which opens up the offense)….as opposed to the 1st 7 games where it was just Andre and OD.
You’re assuming OD makes the plays (although it wouldn’t matter since the OLine was garbage during that 4 game losing streak). There’s no sure thing in the NFL. Even Peyton Manning doesn’t throw a TD pass in every single game. You can’t assume that a player is good for X catches and Y yards a game. If OD’s in the game then those WR numbers decrease….there’s no difference.
Frankly, this argument doesn’t matter. OD tore his ACL again. He wasn’t there. The passing game didn’t suffer numbers-wise, but the team didn’t win in the division (surprise, surprise). Like I said, if we lost because we missed a TE…that’s a pretty damning statement about this team.
"Lord, beer me strength."
yeah if the stats were all that mattered
then the Texans with the 3rd ranked offense, top QB in passing yards, 10th in scoring and 13th in run defense should’ve went deep into the playoffs (with or without OD) right? Since we can’t assume anything based on REAL results, I guess we shouldn’t assume that losing Andre Johnson would have an effect on the team losing if Schaub still puts up 270 yards in the game?… because "you have to account for the fact that when he’s in there he’s taking away “looks and targets” from Walter, Jacoby, and DA"? Andre’s numbers certainly weren’t suffering when OD was in there, because he was going off WITH HIM. Frankly, the argument does matter because OD is the starting tight end of our team that relies heavily on a good recieving tight end to run the offense it WANTS to run, not force the ball to unusued receivers or Joel Dreesen.
And since you keep saying “we’re damned if we lost because of a tight end”, once again, it’s just one reason of many, but apparently judging by RESULTS, it meant more to this team then you think.
always a pleasure though, to have a good argument TDC.
by leacheatsbabies on May 6, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
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I didn't know Owen Daniels was the reason Kris Brown missed all those field goals and the backs kept fumbling...
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by riversmccown on May 6, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The lack of running game, the missed FGs....
I’ll add another reason: The OLine didn’t do a great job of giving Schaub time to pass. Lots of sacks and pressures in that 4 game losing streak.
"Lord, beer me strength."
If only Owen Daniels were in there blocking
He’s great at that.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
ok, we all know theres PLENTY of reasons why we lost those games
but maybe we’re up by an FG instead of down by one in those Kris Brown games with OD making a couple big plays. Maybe he makes a one-hander in the endzone, making it unneccessary to hand the ball to freakin Chris Brown on the goaline in those other games. The point is, him not being there could be just as big a reason as the other 4095 reasons we sucked.
That being said, I don’t think he’s even close to being irreplaceable and I look for the Texans to groom 1 or 2 (or hell maybe 10) of the young tight ends under him this year and let him slide at seasons end.
by leacheatsbabies on May 6, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Specious reasoning though.
You can build a way better house of maybes than that.
Maybe the Texans go 11-5 if Frank Bush’s defense didn’t give up like 40 combined points at the end of the second half playing prevent zone.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
Or if BFD was our NT!
Assmass alone does not a NT make.
by kaizer on May 7, 2010 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I am with TDC...
I know OD is not exactly happy about the tender… but what can he expect? he is coming off almost an entire year of IR due to the ACL tear, he has three tears now THREE! IF he expects to get PAID, he is going to not only prove to the FO, but the fans as well. I like what he brought to the Texans two years ago offering that route across the middle for the check down. I like his toughness when he has the ball. and I like to think that he will make a sensible choice on contract. I do think that the Texans FO gauge his ability this season and if he is a definite difference maker they sign him to a reasonable contract… Nothing Extravagant when you have Schauby, Mario, Bonecrusher, and Andre “The Best Damn Receiver EVAR!” Johnson needing contracts, and those are the hefty ones not to count the draftees and any FA that happens to float our way.
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I think it’s worth noting that by the end of the season, Joel Dreessen’s production was typical of what was expected from Owen Daniels. Couple this with the fact that James Casey is far more talented and versatile and Anthony Hill, should he ever return (although, he’s in the same injury boat as Owen Daniels), is a monster blocker whose single catch during the season showed the same promise that David Anderson’s 27-yarder against New England in 06. I don’t expect much from Graham, but I’m as optimistic about our TE corps as it is, with or without OD.
New idea
I’m really appreciative of OD and all that he’s done for the team. That said, and I’m stepping on a theory I was going to present next week:
I’m more worried that OD comes back hurt, can’t get separation, and Kubiak plays him anyway out of respect a la Chris Brown than I am that the Texans don’t resign him.
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by The Night Owl on May 6, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I personally like
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Good point
he’s like the bionic man now. 3 ACL reconstructions (two on the same ligament)..he’s had that injury at every level he’s played. This now makes it PROBABLE not questionable that it will happen again.
If OD plays this entire season, makes the pro bowl and factors in to a big playoff run for the Texans..I can see Smithiak negotiating a long term deal (if anywhere near the Kellen Winslow deal, I will orchestrate a mass suicide). But if any mishaps occur or his playing ability is diminished and he STILL wants a fat deal, I don’t think Smithiak will have a problem showing him the door.
As for this year, I wouldn’t count on them forcing OD into playing time if he’s not the same OD he has been. After all, they’ve laced the roster with 2932402 younger and hungrier TEs.
by leacheatsbabies on May 6, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
if they arent trying to replace him
thaen selecting all these TE’s makes them look incredibly stupid
The way I see it...
OD will not ease up on the amount of money and years he is expecting in his new contract. I think he sees it like Dunta did, he wants his big pay day in case he gets hurt (again). I don’t expect him to back off of it either. He wants top TE money and I think with all of his injuries and the fact that they can get comparable production from Dressen (or Casey or Graham – TBD) then why pay OD big bucks and not know if he will ever be the same. I bet it takes 4-6 games this year for him to get back to par and then that leaves +/-10 games to evaluate him and see if you want to pay him big $$$$ and I think RS answer will be no. I think they started to see issues arise last year and thats why they’ve made a run on TE the last 2 years. Graham, Casey, and Dressen all come at a huge discounts compared to what OD is demanding and can provide similar results.
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yea it makes sense from that perspective
but it jus drives me nuts how they drafted back to back TE’s last yr and this yr draft 2 more (well one will be a ‘WR’)
itsjus aggravating more than anything but it makes sense to avoid the Dunta situation TE reincarnated and not have to be so desperate for a replacement like the CB position
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by Jordann on May 6, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Clearly Rick Smith is not Charlie Casserly, which is a great thing for the Texans
He didn’t cave in to Dunta and he’s not going to throw crazy money at OD. With his injury history, and our plethora of TE’s a huge contract at this juncture clearly is not mandated. Furthermore the non-contact way in which OD’s knee blew out last year is very unsettling. It doesn’t bode well for the future, but I pray that OD will remain healthy. He seems like such a great guy. He deserves it.
Does anyone here want to see OD go? I would think not. Although no numbers have yet been presented that clearly delineate that the Texans are better with OD than without, I agree with Tim’s proclamation: “Make no mistake: The Houston Texans are a markedly better football team with Owen Daniels at tight end.” OD had developed into not only one of the best TE’s in the NFL, he was clearly Matt Schaub’s security blanket. He was THE go to guy on 3rd down; great hands and a decent runner after making the catch. Other than being a great blocker (and he was improving at that) he was the complete package.
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by oiler-texan diehard on May 6, 2010 9:40 PM CDT reply actions
While I agree with you...
that the Texans are a better team with OD on the roster, hadn’t he been taking all his reps with the first team? Do we really know that someone on the roster isn’t going to make the same jumps with more time running plays with the first team?
I’m playing more devil’s advocate than anything else here, because I’ve got a bit of a man-crush on OD, but do you see what I’m saying?
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
OD has pretty much been the 1st string TE for his entire tenure with the Texans
Dreesen made nice progress last year, but he doesn’t have the athleticism of OD. He is a better blocker though. If they are both healthy, they would pair nicely in 2 TE formations.
A lot of people, me included, are intrigued by Thor. He got nicked a few times, but toughed it out and played on a bad wheel. Love that desire, and think the sky is the limit for him. Hill couldn’t stay healthy and he looks to be primarily a blocker. Graham may not be the second coming of OD but certainly he has to be considered at least part of the OD insurance policy.
Yeah I see what you’re saying, and in a perfect world OD returns to his former self and we’re still wondering about the potential of Thor and Graham.
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by oiler-texan diehard on May 7, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Right there with you on the man-crush thing...
…I’ll have to rethink my ENTIRE Madden strategy without him and apostrophe to take some of the load off of AJ.
Make no mistake...
I want OD back. Texans are on a short list of teams with a major pass catching threat at TE (Colts, Chargers, Cowboys, Falcons). Hard to throw that kind of advantage out with the bath water. If OD can return from injury and stay healthy, he is definitely worth a big contract. But there is a limited amount of dollars to go around. These kind of decisions are why Smith makes the big bucks.
Does anyone remember that OD was leading all TE's for reception and yards at the time of the injury?
Or is it just me?
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by distant_texans_fan on May 7, 2010 1:21 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah...
he roughly had numbers equal to Andre Johnson.
That speaks awesome volumes to OD, but I’m one of those people who wants to see Andre get a good chunk of targets.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I do tooo
more because i want Andre to get most receptions and yds in a career for WR because he gots lots of yds to go to catch Jerry Rice (currently holds Actual BEST WR EVER AWARD)DEBATED
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Eff that...
1st i wouldn’t go to Tech even if they paid me…
2nd tribal is for samoans and people who get ink because it is the cool thing to do…
My ink was hand selected, custom made, and actually mean something to me… like my Battle worn Texas Flag on a sabre… showing my pride of where i come from!!! my Jolly Roger with a mohawk, because my crew while i was in the army were (And still are) the Land Locked Pierats (misspelled on purpose). my two guns on the inside of my biceps with Krieg (War) and Frienden (Peace) on the barrels, are a protest towards gun grabbing politicians along with the name i gave my biceps. My calf (soon to be calves when i add the radioactive symbol) are to represent that society has tainted me up to my knees!
now that i have divulged my secrets I do like the Spikes!!!
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Surprised there are no trade talks going on here yet
OD will be the only TE on our roster who would have a decent trade value. Even coming off an injury. Trading OD looks to be a very viable alternative if FO and OD can’t agree to a long-term deal, and frankly I do not see Smithiak coughing up the amount of money OD would want. So.. to get the ball rolling, OD for Fat Albert?
Assmass alone does not a NT make.
How dare you sir!!!
You should be ashamed of yourself for even mentioning Fat Albert here. Imagining trading OD for Fat Albert just made me throw up in my mouth a little!!
Jacoby is my ghostwriter.
That’s the thing about trading him; because of his injury, we’re not going to get nearly the value we ought for him.
Plus, we have no trade leverage. It’s kinda like how we meekly attempted to trade David Carr AFTER trading for Matt Schaub. The league knows we’re at least somewhat satisfied with Dreessen and Casey, and that if they wait a season, they might just catch him in unrestricted free agency.
Mittens is a career backup.
OD will probably be a starter on any team in the league. Big difference.
Assmass alone does not a NT make.
Sadly...
…as much bitterness as I have toward everything Casserly/Capers/Mittens-related, your comment just made me realize that I probably wouldn’t object to having Mittens in here as OUR backup now.
That realization really puts into perspective how worried I am about our backup QB situation with Endline Dan in the #2 slot.
… Hey!!! Who are you!!! What are you doing at my keyboard!?! What is that nonsense you just typed!!!?!! MITTENS!!! HERE?!! AGAIN!?!? [sound of gunshot]
Sorry about that… Some intruder was posting under my screen name. Won’t happen again.
I would currently trade OD for a high 3rd and 4th rnder...
though before the season starts hard to judge which teams are going to be bottom rung except for most of the NFC AFC West divisions… that is the most any team will offer at this stage due to coming off the injury and having two prior injuries to opposite knee. If only ACL’s and MCL’s were like Texas bluebonnets, even though they leave you for a bit they always come back…
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by distant_texans_fan on May 7, 2010 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Daniels is worth taking a chance on
Dreesen and/or Hill could go and I wouldn’t shed a tear.
Agree
Dreesen is a great back up but now had a surgery on his shoulder so who knows now, Hill is just a blocking TE, Casey might be injury prone too due to having his knees scoped multiple times, maybe he has some cartilage issues, Graham was drafted as an insurance policy, Dickerson is a wide receiver, other dude wont make the roster when the season starts
OD has a longer injury history than the ones you mention
This is his third ACL injury, and it’s one of those injuries that are highly likely to recur.
Assmass alone does not a NT make.
HOW?!?
Hill is the only TE on the roster who can block, and his one catch brought back memories of things to come with David Anderson after the 06 NE game.
Hill and Casey are the two best TEs (in terms of actually playing TE and not WR in a 3-point stance) on the roster, mark my words.
Honestly,
before last year, I’d agree with you. Unfortunately, he got better as a blocker, not great, mind you, but definetly better.
He’s not as terrible as he was he first few years, and is probably in the top 50% in the NFL as a blocker. Tallest midget, I know, with the way teams are looking for receiving TE’s, but still, you have to keep that in mind.
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
I don't care how many TE's we draft
We need OD. He’s a staple of this offense and we can’t afford any setbacks on our road to the AFC Championship…
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