Changing The Game: David Carr To Matt Schaub
by Tim on Jun 14, 2010 7:49 PM CDT
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I've been thinking lately. Odd in and of itself, I know. Specifically, I've been thinking about how your Houston Texans have changed since the inaugural season of 2002. Perhaps there's been no bigger change than at the QB position (although the seismic shifts in some other facets, such as Dom Capers to Gary Kubiak or Charley Casserly to Rick Smith, do deserve mention and perhaps even a detailed post in the near future). Texans fans were subjected to five (5!) years of David Carr, with the occasional cameo by Tony Banks/Dave Ragone/Sage Rosenfels, from 2002-2006. Then, on March 21, 2007, Smithiak acquired Matt Schaub from the Falcons.
Two days later, David Carr was looking for a new home.
This post is not to lambast David Carr. His career as an NFL QB is what it is, and even the most ardent Carr apologist cannot, with a straight face, blame the Texans for all of Carr's shortcomings anymore. Even if you lend some credence to the notion that the Texans didn't protect their investment they way they should have (e.g., the much beloved and flawed "HE NEVER HAD AN OFFENSIVE LINE!" argument frequently trumpeted by people who didn't watch Zoolander under center every week), there's more than enough ammo in the proverbial criticism cannon to demonstrate that Carr's ruin, real or imagined, was at least partially by Carr's own gloved hand.
No, the purpose of this post is twofold. First, appreciate the understated greatness that is Matt Schaub. Second, I ask you: Is the upgrade from David Carr to Matt Schaub on par with the biggest upgrades at the QB position in NFL history? Greater than, less than, or equal to what the Colts got going from Jim Harbaugh to Peyton Manning? Greater than, less than, or equal to what the Saints got going from Aaron Brooks to Drew Brees? If you've got any other examples, I'd love to hear 'em--as well as your answer to the question--in the Comments below.
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No more Fetal position
Not being subjected to a quarterback causing sacks for himself by curling into the fetal position is a gigantic improvement for me. The fact that Schaub is a great player is just icing on the cake.
And Keith-- darn it, change your name! It's not scary, and I'm embarassed to say it. Boris, Try that. Keith, you know, OH, watch out for KEITH!
by Chris Rosenberger on Jun 14, 2010 9:09 PM CDT reply actions
That's not fair
Sometimes he ran out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage instead of just throwing the ball away(which counts as a sack).
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Quite frankly...
Carr was the wrong pick. Always was. The Texans were led by a defensive coach and should’ve added more defensive talent. Hindsight’s 20/20 though…
Was it the biggest upgrade? Ask me in a year’s time. Schaub’s good, but I need to see him do it again for another 16(plus?). However, Schaub’s really helped make this team competitive. Gone are the days of 40-7 and those type of drubbings (hence why I’d love to see Kubiak go out and run up the score…..been on the other side of it. No one felt sorry for Houston).
Brooks wasn’t that bad. The Saints were at least competitive. Harbaugh did take Indy to an AFC title game. If Matt can lead us to the land of 10+ wins and the playoffs then I’d say he’d have a better argument to make…..although Jason Campbell can really make an argument for himself in Oakland since he’s following garbage.
"Lord, beer me strength."
First thing that popped into my head when I read the question was
Jason Campbell.
If he completes something along the line of 9 passes all season, doesn’t that make him the biggest upgrade in NFL history?
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
by Autra on Jun 14, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or at the very least...
He could have a title like, “upgrade to the biggest quarterback in NFL history”.
by Nashmeister on Jun 15, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Its like being broke
then winning the lottery but still not getting to bang the really hot chicks because you haven’t made the playoffs yet. But you can taste it. Those chicks are within reach, you’ve just got to stop fumbling over your words when they’re giving you every opportunity to score more than a field goal. In our division though, you’ve got to wrap that shit up.
And at least you've got something to wrap
Because when we had Carr, he just shriveled into the fetal position and you couldn’t have scored with that anyways, even if you laid off the whiskey.
Guess it depends on whether the turn around is instant or not.
Manning if it’s not, Brees if it isn’t.
One I thought of: Seattle going from Rick Mirer to Warren Moon.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
Err, Brees if it is*
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Jun 14, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
If it's not...
the 49ers and Broncos may also have a case to make…
Steve DeBerg (remarkably) was the starting quarterback for both teams before they made the switch to Joe Montana and John Elway respectively.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Im going to edit this post a little bit.
Do you mind? No? Alright.
This post is not to lambast David Carr. His career as an NFL QB is what it is, and even the most ardent Carr apologist cannot, with a straight face, blame the Texans for all of Carr’s shortcomings anymore.
Done.
by Jordann on Jun 14, 2010 10:18 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
we aqcuired Matt Schaub
on my birthday, March 21st, Ill never forget it.. I was at Dave and Busters eating and having a few drinks when all of a sudden I see on the flatscreen that we just traded two 2’s to Atlanta.. talk about a great birthday gift ;)
Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. used to be Astros too, but not sure there a pro team anymore
I wanted the #8 burned....
but Matt Schaub has changed that for me.
GO TEXANS!!!!
Our time will come...
ryan leaf < phillip rivers?
not sure if there was someone between them, but that deal worked out pretty good for san diego.
"don't taze me bro!!!!!!!!!!"
http://www.twitter.com/doobieman21
by chrisd21 on Jun 15, 2010 7:27 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
all I know is.....
The High Rollahhhhz can count on being 0-1 starting the season!
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Jun 15, 2010 9:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Brees was between 'em, no?
Also a nice upgrade.
by Nashmeister on Jun 15, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I think there was someone else before brees
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Flutie.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Jun 15, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Jackson/Rosencopter to Favre
Even though I think Brett Favre is a Grade A douche bag the Vikings would not have gotten to the playoffs without them. Schaub is awesome, but to really put him at the top we need to get to the playoffs.
by TexanSchmackDown on Jun 15, 2010 9:10 AM CDT reply actions
Here, let me help you with that
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
How about
The Oilers going from Oliver Luck to Warren Moon?
That worked out pretty nicely!
Or Warren Moon replacing past his prime Jim McMahon and Sean Sailsbury Steak in Minnesota?
Warren makes the list three times!!
I'm the best there is at what I do.
Matthew Rutledge Schaub
just thought i’d brighten your days.
by leacheatsbabies on Jun 15, 2010 1:34 PM CDT reply actions
Actually
Collins replaced VY and the Tits went 13-3.
Clear winnar!
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 15, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember raging when we acquired Matt Schaub
Other acquisitions I’ve raged about:
- hiring Frank Bush
- Jacques Reeves
- Antonio Smith
- Shaun Cody
I can only remember thinking that every player the team acquired under Capers had to make us better, right? RIGHT??
LOL you didn't rage about getting Cushing?
bah! he was injury prone and from USC how could you not rage at that?
hehe
Did we get Mario under Capers or Kubiak?
by BattleRedFan on Jun 16, 2010 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Did we get Mario under Capers or Kubiak?
Paging MDC to the white courtesy phone…
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 16, 2010 4:59 AM CDT up reply actions
That Courtesy Phone
Is gonna be ringing for a good long while.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Jun 16, 2010 8:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
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- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter
by riversmccown on Jun 16, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I like this part
First, appreciate the understated greatness that is Matt Schaub.
I think Schaub will repeat and exceed last year’s performance. This whole team is hungry for success. They’re all out there working VERY hard to get better for this season.
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