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As the old chestnut goes, the post-draft NFL offseason is a time for engaging in fruitless debate and seeping unhealthy bitterness from every pore as the calendar creeps ever so slowly toward the preseason. Let's fire up a fruitless debate, shall we?
Matt Schaub is coming off a 2009 campaign that saw him throw for 4,770 yards, 29 TDs, and 15 INTs. He completed 67.9% of his passes and averaged 8.2 yards per pass attempted. As we see the oasis that is the 2010 NFL season in the distance, where does Schaub rank among NFL quarterbacks?
Vote in the poll and then elaborate on your logic in the Comments.
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For The Record...
QBs I’d rank ahead of The Schaub:
P. Manning
D. Brees
T. Brady
B. Favre
A. Rodgers
Excellent cases can be made for B. Roethlisberger and P. Rivers as well. If I was unbiased, I might include Romo in the conversation too. Alas, I am not, so I cannot.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
Personally i'd rank the top 10 QBs
1. Peyton Manning
2. Drew Brees
3. Philip Rivers
4. Matt Schaub
5. Tom Brady
6. Brett Favre
7. Aaron Rodgers
8. Eli Manning
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Donovan Mcnabb
Rogers?
wtf…?
You from Wisconsin?
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by TexansForever on Jun 2, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate Rogers with the fire of a thousand suns
The only way he is better than Schaub is if you’re being judged evaluated by how many ESPN analists have their tongue up your ass. In that case, Rogers clearly is right behind Manning.
If you look at his stats
He is one of the best QBs in the league. Just because you have a personal grudge with him does not make it any less so.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
I got Rogers ahead of Schaub right now simply cuz hes done it a year or so longer
and he had an increcedible playoffs performance this season too.. greatness is achieved in the postseason not regular season accolades
Wrong
Greatness isn’t achieved through play, it’s proven through play on the field. It doesn’t matter whether the game is played in september or February, if you play great consistently you are a great player.
Media skews their perspective based on playoff success, but that’s total hogwash and pretty much everyone knows it. How many people think Terry Bradshaw was a better QB than Dan Marino, or David Tyree a better reciever than Steve Largent? A great player isn’t any less awesome because he doesn’t play on a super bowl caliber team, no matter what some geek behind a keyboard thinks.
Big Ben isn't that good....
unless your rankings include a category for getting drunk girls at the club.
"Lord, beer me strength."
low blow
he is that good, the Steelers doesnt win the SB against Arizona if he doesnt play out of his mind that game, he shoulda been the MVP altho Santonio made incredible plays he had to have someone be Brady-esque and clutch in the final moments
Ben is def that good.. he had no O-line last year and put up ridiculous numbers, hes an escape artist in the backfield Ive never seen so many players get a hand on him and he simply scrambles and make clutch plays its sick absolutely top 5 player.. u say urself that players are judged off playoff time and rings well dont contradict that statement cuz of ur dislike for his personal life
Dude, you're drunk
First of all, you type like a drunken crack head. Secondly, the words your spewing out are garbage. VY is great at avoiding getting his ass whooped but that doesn’t make him a top 3 QB. And I’m sorry, Warren Moon never made it to a SB but he was DEFINITELY top 3 in his day and better than Jim Kelly or Elway ever thought about being and they were perpetually in the SB. Elway found a way to win in the clutch, but that doesn’t mean he was a better pure passer than Warren Moon.
And with that example thrust under your drunken runny nose, Schaub is Warren Moon to Big Ben’s Jim Kelly. He’s not even in the class of Elway. I’m not saying Big Ben isn’t a good QB (nor that Schaub is a tip 3 QB, I was just making an analogy), he’s definitely good, but show me just one season that he has tossed up numbers like Schaub did. I guarantee you he never will. Not once. The Texans obviously don’t have the team that the Steelers have so you can’t constantly refer to the playoffs as a reason for a QB’s greatness. When you are comparing one QB on a perpetually mediocre team that puts up stellar numbers vs. a SB contending team you have to put them on equal footing to have a true comparison. With that said, this is an odd situation. For a QB to have this great of a season and be left out of the playoffs is just uncommon. So hopefully we’ll have more years to make more accurate comparisons…perhaps even seeing the two teams go head to head in the playoffs? That would settle the debate I think. If Schaub could MATCH Ben’s numbers I think that would settle the debate. Steeler def. vs. the Texans def…etc. It’s not as simple as “oh, he dodges people really well and he had a big game.” And his “ridiculous numbers” were significantly less than what Schaub did last year.
by Peckerwood on Jun 4, 2010 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Will you marry me?
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 4, 2010 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Last year?
Roethlisberger threw for 4300 yards, 26 TDs, and 12 INTs in one less game. His YPA were exceptional, and his rating and completion percentage were as high as Schaub’s.
Believe me, I’m a big fan of Schaub. But let’s not blindly suggest that he’s better than everybody just because he threw for more yards. Roethlisberger has quarterbacked two superbowl winning teams, matched Schaub’s highest career QB rating four times over the course of nearly full seasons, and posted a season with more TDs and less INTs than Schaub. He was terrific when we was asked to do less, and he’s still a great quarterback now that he’s asked to do more.
(insert rape reference here)
Yeah, the only reason I would take Schaub is that Big Bad Schaub likes to keep it boring.
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He also had double the sacks of Schaub
And if you’re suggesting the Houston Texans’ offensive line is THAT much better than the Steelers’, you’ve gone loopy. Roethlisberger has happy feet and scrambles around in the backfield, but he does it in much the same way as David Carr, which is to say he doesn’t escape pressure so much as he causes it for holding on to the ball for too dang long. If he were drafted to a team with a West Coast Offense like the Texans, he’d probably have been out of the league within 5 years.
Schaub is a better QB than Roethisberger because you can put Schaub in any offense in the league and he can run it effectively, Roethlisberger limits what a team can do scheme wise… and regardless of yards and completion percentage, if you’re getting sacked 60 times in a season, that’s 60 huge negative plays that potentially kills drives…. And despite what everyone wants to believe, Roethlisberger is to blame for most of those sacks and pressures.
Wrong!
I’d like to see Schaub run the VY belly-read spread option. There’s no way Schaub could handle having to make TWO reads on ONE play!
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 6, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He ran the option a little in college.
And while not a breakaway threat by any means on the ground, he does have the ability to spot a hole in the defense and pick up the occasional first down running. People make it out like he’s a statue in the pocket, when he’s always shown the ability to move fairly well back there.
He’s not an option QB at the pro level, but then again there’s no real place for option offenses in the NFL except for gimicks and trick plays. Vince Young is a gimicky QB, it’s no mistake his two most successfull seasons were ones where he was named starter halfway through the season and defenses weren’t prepared for the “option” offense. We’ve also seen what happens when teams have an offseason to watch tape on Young, and I see this coming season as being no different.
But to answer the question, Schaub could run a spread offense pretty effectively. His accuracy and ability to read defenses would allow him to pick them apart with his slot recievers on little crossing and dump routes all game long… Where as Young either throws to option #1 or tucks the ball and runs… I’d say Schaub could run the spread better than Young.
Top Ten
it was his first complete season, if he can lower his Ints hes top five
living the Texas dream
Yet everyone puts brett favre in the top ten...
Until last year, Brett threw as many tds as ints so I think Schaubb is going to better than Favre as long as he stays healthy
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Go Texans!
I hate Farve
i mean it. i wish they would have broken his leg so he could stay retired.
living the Texas dream
LOL.
That isn’t nice – but I share those feelings.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jun 2, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
man y the hate?
hes a diva yea but the man flat out produces, his name is numero uno on every single important QB statistic lmao its pretty sick.. that makes him top 2 by itself ;)
hes a diva
You answered your own question.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
but is that reason to take away from his play on the field? no
im tired of the antics as much as the next but i wont let that obscure my judgement
uhhhhhhhhhh
No one was taking away from his play on the field. Joe simply said he hates the guy. He said nothing about him as a player.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
i loved him when he was a packer
and he should have retired a packer. But he chose to retire and come back knowing that the team was ready to move on with Rodgers. He shouldn’t have retired if he still wanted to play and he would still be a Packer
living the Texas dream
true that
it was self inflicted had he jus stopped b.s.’n the pack but hes still good for the game.. espn jus need to STOP with all the favre moment by moment analysis
espn is gona break the news that favre has bought a new self flush and wash toilet, its ridiculous i agree
Top 10
He’s good, but he needs more wins/TDs and less INTs/injuries. He also needs to do it consistently, but he does have top 5 talent.
I wish Kubiak would let him call audibles at the line…that would go a long way into making the offense better.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Wins?
I just can’t get behind that argument. It’s not his fault Kris and Chris Brown conspired to cost us a few wins. Schaub had nothing to do with those.
I understand needing more TDs and fewer INTs, but wins (and injuries) are to a great extent out of his hands and shouldn’t be used in evaluating how good he is, imo.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 2, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I agree completely that wins can't be solely attributed to a QB
but, the rest of the world does. Why does everyone now put Brees up there with Peyton and Brady? He’s got playoff time and a ring.
The great divide between good player and great player is getting to the playoffs and succeeding there. It’s just how the nation views NFL reputations.
"Lord, beer me strength."
If the rest of the world does that
Then they’re stupid. I don’t care one iota what the rest of the country or the mainstream media think.
Trent Dilfer/Mark Rypien/Doug Williams has a Super Bowl ring and I would much rather have Schaub than any of those guys. Schaub repeatedly put this team in situations to win or go to OT, only to be denied by bad kicking, bad playcalling or bad running backs. If he continually folded in the fourth quarter, this argument might hold water. But Schaub has over the last two seasons played very well late in games.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 3, 2010 5:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sort of.
Yet he had opportunities to win games. Arizona comes to mind; that pick-six was pretty horrid. Against Jacksonville: he missed an open Dreessen in the back of the end-zone.
He’s good. He’s good enough to win a superbowl with the right players around him (then again, so was Trent Dilfer… But let’s not get into that). But he definitely has a lot to work on before he gets mentioned with the likes of Manning, Brees, Brady, etc. Fortunately for us, he’s one of the hardest-working players on the team and you can be damned sure he’s striving to get to that next level.
OK, that's two games
And I should point out that he still got the team to the goal line in the AZ game, only to have Chris “Ass Clown” Brown mess things up for him. But here’s an off-the-top-of-my-head list of games where he put this team in position to win with late drives:
Miami 08, Green Bay 08, AZ 09, Indy 09, Tennessee 09, Jacksonville 09.
We didn’t win all of these, but you can’t attribute that to Schaub (with the possible exception of AZ, imo).
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 3, 2010 5:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I said top 5 as a homer
but its fringy. Until we make the playoffs and win some games there I don’t think people will put him in the top 5.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
That's because people put too much stock in team success when evaluating QBs
Dan Marino was one of the best QBs ever to play the game and would take over games where Miami’s defense was struggling and turn it into a shootout in order to keep his team in it. Yet now people still say Marino wasn’t as good a QB in the clutch, because he never won a superbowl.
And on the opposite end, Terry Bradshaw who was a mid-level QB for his entire career is thought of being much better than he actually was simply because he played on a dynasty caliber Steelers team that carried him at times.
Schaub plays at about as high a level as there is at the momen at the QB position apart from possibly Manning and Brees. He showed that when he went to the Pro Bowl as the 2nd alternate and took over the game and won MVP, the difference between the AFC team when Schaub was in and when the other two QBs played was like night and day. It wasn’t just the numbers he put up, it was the simple fact that when he was in the game the NFC couldn’t stop the AFC’s offense and when he was out the AFC was doing good to get 1 first down per possession.
by Bryan72076 on Jun 2, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's quite good.
And I agree with most of what you said. However… Let’s not use pro-bowl performance as a barometer. The game is a bit of a farce.
by Nashmeister on Jun 2, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
A game is a game
I could have use his performance last year but there would be objections to that and reasons they “don’t count”.
But when it comes down to it, everytime a player steps onto a field opens a window to show the caliber player he is… Sure some players yack it up during the game and half-ass it up and down the field… while others take every game. scrimmage or regulation, seriously and go 100% every play…. doesn’t that give some idication to the player’s drive and determination to be the best he can be versus soaking in the “success” of playing in a pro-bowl or worse being disinterested altogether?
I remember before the game, he was listed as one of the favorites to win the MVP award by analysts…, why do you think that is? Maybe they saw him light it up in practice and could see that while 1/2 the other players on the field are joking and having a good time, Schaub was taking practice as serious as he would any other? Is that a farce, or meaningless?
Players often opt out of the pro bowl these days with make believe injuries, Schaub had a legitimately injured ankle and still elected to not only go, but go balls out when he did… To me that demonstrates the exact type of drive and competiveness that makes the great QBs great.
The last 10 pro bowl MVPs
- 2000 Randy Moss
- 2001 Rich Gannon
- 2002 Rich Gannon
- 2003 Ricky Williams
- 2004 Marc Bulger
- 2005 Peyton Manning
- 2006 Derrick Brooks
- 2007 Carson Palmer
- 2008 Adrian Peterson
- 2009 Larry Fitzgerald
If you go back, I think you could make a case for each of those players being among the best at their position the year they won the award, why should it be any different with this year’s winner?
I agree
If he has another year remotely like last year I say he is a top 5 qb period. My only real reservation is that he has only had the one healthy monster year.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
by nolander on Jun 2, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree
People give the qb way too much credit/blame for team results.
But the Pro Bowl is probably not the best way to make that argument.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 3, 2010 5:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Elite Status
I’m convinced there is only one thing separating Schaub from elite status…. his name. Matt Schaub sounds a decent fellow, probably a really nice guy… but he needs a kickass QB name.
Therefore, I nominate Matt Schaub change his name to Max Powers. And even if he doesn’t, I’m calling him that.
I like this.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 3, 2010 5:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Totally agree.
And nice Simpsons reference.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 3, 2010 5:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Max Power
…he got it off a blowdryer.
by BrownCrayon on Jun 2, 2010 2:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Easily in the top ten...
not quite top five. Last year was a coming out party of sorts. Lets see if he can consistently perform that well. In response to some posts above, its true that other players can cost us a win but ultimately it comes down to the QB to overcome those mistakes and win the game .
I think Matt
is a pretty damn good QB. I mean, a couple more seasons with his staying healthy, I’d definitely put him up there with Brady, Favre and Brees. (I must confess to my homerism – why I couldn’t put him up there with Peyton…lol)
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
I would love it
If Schaub got to that level. Almost as much as I would love it if the alien symbiote that is living inside Peyton’s forehead decides to go back to his home world, leaving him with a big hole in his dome and taking the ability to read defenses with him.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 3, 2010 5:12 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL.
We lovingly refer to it as his fivehead, btw.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jun 3, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
He's okay...
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Jun 2, 2010 3:50 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
The NFL is a what have you done for me lately league
And lately Schaub has played elitely. Why the fuck is Aaron Rgoers in people’s top 5? Cause his o-line sucks?
by b0ng on Jun 2, 2010 4:33 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
aaron rodgers
Threw for 30 tds and 4400 yards, which is more impressive because his O-line sucks. That means he was 4th best in yards and TDs. Sounds pretty damn good to me.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
^ This
Let’s not let homerism blind us like other fanbases, Rodgers is pretty darn good.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Exactly
Scary to think what he would do if his O-Line could actually protect him.
Why not?
Higher career QB rating, more TDs and waaaay less INTs over the past couple years, similar YPA, a playoff appearance (a fucking good one at that).
We see Schaub play every day, so we know how good he is. But there are other guys around the league who are slaying it too, and Rodgers is one of them. Give some credit where it’s due.
ask this question again after this season
he’ll either be top 3 or Dave Ragone…I don’t see there being any middle ground after this year.
dave ragone
completely forgot about him…I would have voted for that option
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jun 2, 2010 7:25 PM CDT reply actions
bfd
asked schaub to sit on his face, matt gratefully declined the offer because he likes to keep his pr to a dull droolfest.
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
by Taco Joe on Jun 2, 2010 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
top 3
but it depends on exactly what we’re rating him on. yds & tugs are what counts, and he had plenty last season, and there were plenty more to be had. this season i look for him to throw less interceptions, and to lead the league in passing yds AND tds at the end of the season… IF HE STAYS HEALTHY. the stars may be aligned for him to have a 5k season.
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and a few planets, to boot....
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Jun 3, 2010 10:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Top 5 or 6
He’s not at the level of Manning or Brees, but I’d put him in the same class and Rivers, Brady, and Rodgers.
Basically
what I’m thinking. Also, I’m exuberant that you didn’t add Favre.
"Bite off more than you can chew. Then chew it."
I don't like Favre much these days...
But you might want to take a gander at his stats (and his team’s success last) for last season. Seriously. For all the bashing he gets for interceptions and his retirement cycle, he was phenomenal last year.
yeah
but last year was his first year you could look @ his stats and tds and ints weren’t almost the same number.
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Go Texans!
Of course
that IS true, however you could take into account Favre’s numerous years as a starting qb i comparison to Schaub’s as well as Schaub’s untimely injuries preventing a good flow as opposed to Favre’s 200-odd consecutive starts. These aren’t excuses for why to dislike Farve in favor of Schaub, just pointing out some possible explanations for why Schaub hasn’t had great TD-INT ratios but why Favre could’ve.
IMHO Favre has always been overrated and overexposed (thanks a million ESPN). He has been a good player, but I couldn’t possibly rank him in the top 5 or 6 qb’s in the league.
"Bite off more than you can chew. Then chew it."
top 3
that’s a bit optimistic I know, but I really hate when a dumass cowgal fan tells me we need a real QB
GO TEXANS!!!!
Our time will come...
Top 5
Big Ben is an erratic thrower that manages to always find a way to get sacked, not to mention has a scarlet letter on his personal life. Brady is becoming increasingly distracted with family life (not a knock on him, congrats on the marriage, but it looks like it’s beginning to take away from the absolute devotion to football he had when he threw 50 TDs). Aaron Rodgers just doesn’t know how to win a game. And well, you might can take Favre out of Green Bay, but he’ll always try to be the hero and suffer for it.
Schaub’s now had a full year to build confidence and he’s got Jacoby training like it’s now or never along with a less-distracted Andre. Matt has the chance to solidify himself in the elite for a long time to come.
Top 5 for now, but can pass up a distracted Brady and overrated Rodgers soon.
I voted Top 10
And yes for those of you who are doubters, Aaron Rodgers is up on my list as well. He has a strong arm, mobility and accuracy.
I put Rivers ahead of both Rodgers and Schaub. I hate Rivers. He’s a cocksucker.
Schaub could easily be Top 5. Needs to stay healthy, play more 16 game seasons and have some playoff wins to be Top 5.
Romo’s not even Top 15 in my book. Fuck that guy.
by HoustonTransplant on Jun 3, 2010 3:53 AM CDT reply actions
luv Schaub, but hes not top 5, hes top 10
1. Brady
2. Favre
3. Rothlisberger
4. Manning
5. Brees
6. McNabb
7. Eli
8. Rogers
9. Schaub
10. Rivers
5-10 are almost interchangeable in alota ways.. 1-5 in the game is top heavy with SB winners so u cant put up there yet, needs to make it to the playoffs and show wat hes got before he can be in the top 5 cat
Dont like Favre in top 3
hes good but hes also great at throwing ints. Eli over Schaub never, hes way to inconstant. He starts out great but at the end of the year hes just out of it. Rothlisberger spends way too long in the pocket which is why he gets sacked so much making his line look bad but its all on him. in my opinion you got the right people just the wrong slots.
1.Manning
2.Brees
3.Brady
4.Rogers
5.Favre
6.McNabb
7.Rothlisberger
8.Schaub
9.Rivers.
10.Eli
living the Texas dream
no no no pal, Manning numero uno? lol
hes a choke artist
Brees before Brady and Favre? “com’on mane”
take out ur personal dislike for Favre, I took the non-biased approach
Brady is first and honestly i dont really care who comes next.. Bradys easily the best QB of the last decade
Just cause i hate him doesnt mean i dont respect him
thats why hes in MY top five but he cant produce like he use to Brees threw for 5,000+ yards that speaks for its self but he also doesn’t have top WR hes put up numbers with middle of the pack WR that means something. and 4 time MVP means something to me you dont get it for doing nothing, if that were the case then apostrophe would be MVP. but i have my own list and you have yours.
living the Texas dream
I'll take Brees over Brady
Although its certainly debatable.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
if i gota pick one player to win me one game
to live Ill go with Brady cuz hes proven, yea Brees won a SB but he didnt have to drive down the field in multiple SB’s under immense pressure to win one since the game was over when the Saints D got that pick 6 to seal the championship
Brees is great but I know for certain Brady can do anything under any circumstance ;)
If we're talking career....
Brady. However, if we’re talking about to play next year? That knee injury really has slowed down Brady some. He’s not the statistical juggernaut he once was. Brees has just gotten better and better. I’d only take the Fivehead over Brees….because I know Peighton will put up 4000+ yards and 30+ TDs. He’s only done it since forever.
"Lord, beer me strength."
i hear ya
but in every sport it is a known fact that a player rounds back into their elite form the 2nd year after major knee surgery.. just ask Amare Stoudemire, Kenyon Martin Dwayne Wade etc..
Brady will return to the “juggernaught bitch” (xmen reference) in his 2nd yr after the injury, guaranteed ;)
That may be true,
but the only people you mentioned were basketball players, certainly not qb’s. Who knows what type of psychological or physiological effect that injury could have had on Brady.
"Bite off more than you can chew. Then chew it."
Still drunk?
Ranking Eli and McNabb over Shaub? And Big Ben of course…lol Ranked above Pehton….ok, no point in really even commenting on this post…AA is your friend man, seriously, you need help. I think it’s time that the BRB had an intervention with you.
leadership is why I currently have him top 10, not top 5
While he performs and is absolutely maturing as a QB, I think he does have something to prove performance-wise in the clutch. It’s not that he can’t…just that he hasn’t come through enough yet, to have me believe he will not let us lose when its crunchtime.
I think that Manning, Elway or Farve (even though an infereior passer at this stage of his career) or any of the greats would not have allowed us to give a few of those games away last year. A truly great QB would not let us fail to get into the endzone in those clutch situations. They might be argue with coach on the sideline to forget trying to run it in with a fumbling Trinden Holliday-size clone, or the halback passplay, they might have forced the coaches to address the f-ing situation (of being unable to ram it in from the 1 yardline) during the offseason…whatever…he is close to becoming elite and I think he’ll get there…but he’s just top ten in my book until I see him will us to victory in a few close ones.
by Smittybaby on Jun 3, 2010 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
First of all, even if you accept that there is something called clutch
Which I don’t, but I will play along for the sake of argument, it’s kind of hard to argue that Schaub doesn’t fit the description when he is constantly leading the team to the right end of the field with the last possession. Remember Miami and Green Bay in ‘08? What about the game tying drive against Jacksonville in ’08 that we lost in overtime? We wouldn’t have been there if it weren’t for Schaub.
Likewise, it’s not Schaub’s fault that Kris Brown sucked last year. Schaub repeatedly put the team in positions to get to overtime with amazing last-minute drives and was repeatedly denied by the incompetence of others. Does Kris/Chris Brown repeatedly fucking up make Schaub less clutch? Absolutely not.
A truly great QB would not let us fail to get into the endzone in those clutch situations. They might be argue with coach on the sideline to forget trying to run it in with a fumbling Trinden Holliday-size clone, or the halback passplay, they might have forced the coaches to address the f-ing situation (of being unable to ram it in from the 1 yardline) during the offseason
So you’re saying that a clutch quarterback should argue with his coach over play selection? What does that have to do with clutch.
The reality is that Schaub does just fine in pressure situations. I don’t get why people think he doesn’t when there is tons of evidence out there to the contrary.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 4, 2010 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions
ahhh... those silly things some people will convince themselves about...
The world being flat. LA getting the expansion team in 2002. Colts blowing the Saints off the field last February. It’s quite endless.
And I totally forgot about New England last year.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 4, 2010 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I never said he didn't do his part...
he did his job…no question…but I look forward to him imposing his will to determine the outcome of the game…9&7 doesn’t suggest he did enough of that.
Do you think Farve or Manning would have let all those games slip away for BS reasons…You might…I personally do not. But don’t read into this that I am down on Schaub…I think he’s awesome and this team is becoming HIS…that takes time and he is developing into that role. But he sure as shit can improve in the W’s category.
And to answer your question, Yes, its HIS team…He needs to OWN the outcome more than any other player. There will always be weak links…The BUCK has to stop with him…No other player on the team has the ability to control the outcome of the game as much as he does as QB. SO yes, Schaub should absolutely pressure the organization to address a glaring weakness during an offseason, or argue with a bullshit playcall that takes HIS game out of his hands and puts it in the hands of a halfback pass play, or on the foot of an ice cold kicker. So Kris Brown sucking, while not his FAULT, was his PROBLEM to address (whether it be through the pressuring the coaches, managment, calling out players like the kicker himself, or by using all four quarters to disallow the final outcome becoming determined by Brown’s foot.). And I bet if he could go back, he wishes he had done something different, something more assertive.
Now, he has had real numbers, yards, receptions, and stats-gallore, BUT, it remains to be seen that he posesses the uncanny ability to impose his will to determine the outcome of the game that suggests greatness. I believe with a full season under his belt, with the probowl MVP, and all the stats from last season, Schaub is now in the position to start REQUIRING excellence from his playcallers, from his RB’s, Kickers, Lines etc. And when he recognizes someone else is a liability, hell, they could even be tanking the game on purpose, he SHOULD make sure that joker isn’t allowed to screw up his HIS VICTORY. Getter-dun.
In the context of the question to us - "As we begin the 2010 NFL season..."
Matt Schaub is Top Five. He has a Top Five receiving corps. The passing offense was great last year; Number One in passing yards. I expect the team to win more this year, because the team is better, in spite of the tough schedule. Good teams just win and the Texans are a good team. Schaub will put up the stats and with winning, he will be given the credit he deserves. As we begin the 2010 NFL season, Matt Schaub is Top Five!
To compare Schaub with some of the other QBs mentioned in the context of the question, Schaub is ahead of Brady, Roethlisberger, McNabb, Favre, and Eli, and possibly Rivers and Rodgers..
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Just Win Baby!
Most passing yards, most TD’s, highest passer rating, most rushing yards, fewest INT’s and all the other stats that you may think matter when it comes to rating the QB are all meaningless!
Wins! Wins! Wins! That is what matters to every QB. And that is how they should be rated.
At this point Schaub is on his way to elite staus but he has not arrived yet. When he can have numbers like he did last year and somehow find a way to beat the dawm Colts and win the division then he will have reached Top 5 land.
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