Bob McNair: On Brian Cushing, David Carr, Mario Williams, Amobi Okoye, And Bernard Pollard
Rivers already touched on this one for SB Nation Houston this morning, yet I feel compelled to add a few thoughts. Jump with me, won't you?
Here's the interview that started all the fuss. Some of the quotes from Mr. McNair, and a bit o' commentary in response to 'em:
"I'd say I had a belief all along that you have to build through the draft," he said. "But one of the things I have learned is that what you have to determine with the players is, beyond their athletic ability, beyond whether they're of good character or not, what's their level of passion? In this game, everybody is so good that just going out and doing what's required isn't enough. You have to do more than what's required.
"Everybody I've talked to — strength coaches, assistant coaches, what have you — say Brian Cushing is the hardest-working athlete they've ever worked with, that his workouts are so strenuous that no one could compare."
Yes, passion is important. If a player doesn't really care, it follows that he probably won't be as successful as he could be. And yes, I imagine Brian Cushing is a hard worker. Unfortunately, the strenuousness of Cushing's workouts and the subsequent inability of others to handle same cannot be looked upon as purely a testament to Cushing's passion. He's suspended for the first four games of the 2010 season for violating the league's policy on performance-enhancing substances. Let's not pretend that Cushing is somehow beyond reproach, no matter how great his work ethic is.
"Maybe in the case of David Carr, that was probably the one thing we overlooked," he said. "I think David enjoyed the game, but I don't think he has that real burning desire, that passion, that not only do I want to play, but I want to be the very best at this position. And I'll do whatever it takes to do it."
Word. But he has GREAT hair. And your barbs can't take that way from him, sir. Back to Cushing, and intensity, and oh-this-isn't-a-good-idea:
"There's not anybody on that field more intense than Brian, and the players know that," McNair said. "When he's off the field, he's sort of mild-mannered and very nice. He steps on that field, and he's a different person. He's a tiger. Even when he comes off the field sometimes, other players will try to joke with him, and he's about to ready to attack them. He cares that much about it.
"He pays the price. He works hard. That's the kind of intensity I think is good. Pollard brings that kind of intensity, too. You have to have it on defense. Defense is emotional. I'm hoping it'll rub off on Mario (Williams). If Mario could develop that kind of intensity with his athletic ability, oh my goodness.
"And you've got Amobi (Okoye), who is just an outstanding person, but he doesn't have that tiger in him yet. But he's young, and as he matures, I think he will become a little more intense."
Does anyone really think that Super Mario's lack of intensity is an issue? Take it away, SBNH's own Rivers:
Unfortunately, with the good comes the bad, and he also had to touch on Mario Williams' intensity. Look Mr. McNair, we're all really appreciative of you for bringing football back to Houston. Williams played all of last year with a bum shoulder and other injuries. He didn't have his best season rushing the passer, but he improved his run defense and was amongst the most dominant defensive ends in the game. He's also got a new contract coming up pretty soon, one which could easily make him one of the highest paid players in football. Can we refrain from saying things that might make him question whether he wants to stay here? Thanks.
With regard to Amobi, I didn't give the "He's So Young!" argument much credence last year, and I give it even less credence this year. Besides, if age begets intensity, Amobi should be shadowing Jeff Zgonina everywhere he goes and soaking in the rampant intensity that must emanate from every Zpore of Zgonina's being. Then again, if Amobi's lack of production is simply a case of Amobi needing a planetoid defensive tackle to line up next to him in order to thrive, or if said lack of production is a case of Amobi not being what your Houston Texans thought he was when they took him with the tenth overall pick of the 2007 NFL Draft, well...a few extra birthday candles on Amobi's proverbial cake aren't going to amount to a hill of beans.
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I don't like or want a meddling owner...
but I can’t fault him for trying to poke some underachieving players.
Yes, Mario did play hurt and still improved his run defense, but there’s a whole other level that he hasn’t reached yet. This guy should be Reggie White/Bruce Smith kind of scary. He’ll get his chance though….3 of the first 4 games feature weak/new LTs so there’s a chance for him to get off to a hot start…
At the same time, I always like hearing him admit that David Carr was a mistake. Damn straight he was.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Carr was a mistake
But he was also one of the highest rated qbs coming out ever. Cant fault them for the pick, but qb should have been the focus in 03 and not right out of the gate
by AllenOU on Jul 26, 2010 2:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Like it or not
http://blogs.chron.com/fanzone/2010/07/video_mcnair_speaks_on_texans.html
Bob McNair has an opinion and usually expresses it with care and prepared thought. He trusts in his general manager and his coaches to make decisions about his players. So, be grateful that he’s not the loudest one in the war room like Jerry Jones is on draft day.
There’s a reason that this team, which has just one winning season under its belt, is the tenth-most profitable organized team in all of pro sports. I think this is more of a tactic than it is an attack.
Perhaps McNair’s comments will fire Mario up as the team approaches camp.
AMR
That's what's up.
by AnnaMeganRaley on Jul 26, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Even the best make a few slipups
And I think that is what this was.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Jul 27, 2010 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions
No slipup
This is calculated and any negative effect will be minimal at worst. The potential for positive impact is nearly unlimited. Cushing and Pollard are great examples of players that play with desire and intensity. They make plays because they never stop and refuse to let the other guy beat them. We as fans on this blog say it all the time. Why can’t the Owner say it? He is reinforcing what everyone already knows. I agree with everything he said and I believe the consensus is with him. I see about two or three on this blog who are being hesitant, who also happen to be blog writer’s, whose opinions usually influence others’ opinions, but I think in this case, they are being too soft on this issue. I like this new more direct Bob McNair. I said it earlier, the old Bob McNair coddled the players. This is hardly tough love coming from Bob McNair, but hell, that’s what some of these players need. They have ability, they just need daddy to show his dissatisfaction to motivate them to please him.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Exactly
Couldn’t put it much better.
Never really thought of Super Mario having intensity issues (and I can see so have some of y’all as well), but who’s this guy’s boss? Who watches him practice? Who has one-on-one contact with his coaches?
I agree w/ McNair, and I believe he is right in calling players out. He does it about as respectfully as possible, but it’s said. And with little competition for Williams in terms of talent, maybe McNair saw the need to put a lighter under his pants.
Another thing, Williams IS supposed to be the benchmark for the defense. I mean, we paid him enough money to be the face of our defense. Who would you say it is now? Three-way tie for Bonecrusher, The Cushing, and DeMeco. 2/3 of those players came at discount prices, and Cushing at 15 isn’t getting NEARLY what a #1 overall pick receives.
Is it wrong for McNair to want a return on his investment? It is HIS money after all.
Whew, well I'm glad you can see into the future Rip.
Which team does Mario sign with after his contract is up?
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Jul 27, 2010 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, if this is what sets him off, then so be it. Is that your prediction ol' soothsayer?
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I do not always agree with you on things man,
cuz you are sometimes lean towards practical negativity, but dude if this was a nail you would be the hammer. I really dont believe that Sir Williams would get pissed at the words our benevolent owner had to say, but if it does piss him off a little it might be good. Passive aggression is good for offense (St. Andre) but man you gotta channel that inner Bubkiss (I know he was a LB, but he was a mean man on field) and put the fear of GOD into the enemy.
Never really thought about the lack of aggression from Super Mario but man it would be great to see it. Some of the best highlights on Inside the NFL had both Pollard and Cushing on the sidelines cussing up a storm and reveling in their destruction they were causing.
I dont know if anyone else agrees, but damn it would be freaking fantastic to see the Three Musketeers instead of Dos Locos. Although I like Dos Locos better sounds better. Maybe Tres Locos hehe.
by Preastigiator on Jul 28, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey that's great! Give me you definition of practical negativity and an example would be helpful
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
The funny thing is...
if Kubes or Bush had said it….we’d be applauding them (probably). We’d be a bit surprised because it’s not their MO to do this through the media, but we’d be saying that Kubes knows he’s got to push people’s buttons and produce.
"Lord, beer me strength."
For that matter, TDC, there are a select few who are not applauding Bob McNair, from what I can see....
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
someone needs to call out Mario more often
hes way too lackadaisical out there, if he had Cushings mentality, boy…
Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. used to be Astros too, but not sure there a pro team anymore
Waitwaitwait...
We’re giving Mario a pass for a bum season, but telling McNair to shut up about praising Brian Cushing? Pardon my language, but that’s ass-fucking-backwards. Cushing is everything this team needs. Mario needs to step up his game, start sacking Manning and pathetic Tits QB Vince Young, and start playing like Brian Cushing. Everything McNair said is correct: Cushing, Pollard, and Smith are what everyone on this defense needs to be.
Don’t give me the steroids BS. He tested positive for an agent that doesn’t mask steroids and never tested positive for steroids. Not at the combine, not during his physical and check-ups, and not even when he tested positive for minimally-elevated levels of HCG. Work ethic and emotional intensity don’t come from steroids, boys, and that’s what McNair is praising. I’m with McNair 100% on this one.
by krkenney on Jul 26, 2010 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I never really attacked the Cushing thing, so I'll leave that to Tim, but
Your Mario quotes (and TDC’s to a lesser extent) makes me think of the Bill James paraphase “Bad teams often blame their best players.”
There’s a certain aesthetic greatness about the way Pollard and Cushing handle things, that I agree, is fun to watch and a boon to our team. I wouldn’t say that this made our defense improve as much as their pure talent did.
As a Mets fan (lusty boos), this reminds me a lot of how that fanbase turned on Carlos Beltran (even more boos) because he has so much natural talent that you think he should hit 80 homers and catch everything that is hit to center field. Maybe if we implanted player x’s brain into Williams’ head, he’d be even better, but why is it so hard to be happy with what Williams is? He’s not the thing holding this team back.
If McNair had come out and said “the whole team needs to be more intense, like Cushing and Pollard,” I’d have no problem with that. It’s singling out individual players that irks me. They don’t forget that when it comes contract time.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Jul 26, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely not blaming Mario for any defensive shortcomings....
but the guy hasn’t even scratched the surface of what he’s capable of.
Bob McNair also isn’t the first person to say Mario’s capable of more. Jay Glazer had said the same thing in regards to Texans doing MMA workouts. However, Mario definitely has improved to a great all-around DE so he gets credit for it.
As I said, the Colts have a weak LT…the Cowboys are breaking a new LT in…and the Redskins have a rookie who some think is RT material….the table is set for Mario to explode.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Thing is
If we only go by sacks as a yardstick (not something I necessarily recommend, but bear with me) you’ll find that most great pass rushers have supposed off years because there is a ton of variance in sack numbers. Imagine if only half the times Mario got near the qb he got a sack instead of watching the qb release the bal just before he got there. Mario would have had the same number of sacks that he usually does and no one (except for Dicky because, you know, he’s special in that way) would be accusing him of lacking intensity.
Likewise, at least two of his sacks against Jacksonville in ‘08 came from him snagging Garrard’s arm as he was going back to throw. If Garrard steps forward just a few inches, that’s not a sack.
If Mario regresses to the mean in terms of sack numbers (which I suspect he will, you know, just like how the law of averages says that Mick Shrimpton won’t die) people will be going on about how he finally got it together or something like that when in fact he may not have. As it is, however, Mario is a phenomenal player and if he keeps on playing like he is and stays a Texan, he will be joining Dre in the Hall. Beledat!
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 26, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Maybe there's something to it, though.
Mario Williams was brought in to be the franchise defensive player. He was drafted to be the defensive equivalent of Andre Johnson; he had a fantastic sophomore season, a great 3rd season, and a par-for-the-course (read: middle of the road) season last year. It seems like he alternates each year what he’s going to capitalize on: playing the run or rushing the passer, and hasn’t really had a great season of doing both.
There’s a ton of talk about this being the team’s official break out season, which I’m all for—I really do believe it’ll happen. But it’s going to be much more difficult if we’re not getting 100% out of Mario on every play, every game. My favorite moment of watching Mario was in the Denver game when he’d sacked Jay Cutler for the 3rd time and started doing the hula; he saw that game in front of a national audience as retribution for all the flak he’d received from fans and the media. You felt like he wanted it. I want him to want it on every play. I want him to get fined for roughing the passer and for throwing punches into Kevin Mawae’s gut a la Antonio Smith. I want him to do to Manning, Garrard, and Young what Allen and Haynesworth did to Schaub.
And I’ve given up on Okoye.
I hate to disappoint you
But Mario is never going to be an Allen or a Haynesworth. He’s never going to throw punches at an opposing player. And that shouldn’t matter. All that should matter is how well he plays. And he is going to play plenty well.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 26, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
9 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, great run defense, and top 10 in hurries is a "middle of the road" season?
If that was a middle of the road season, then Cushing just had an alright rookie year, and Dunta Robinson should’ve been banished from ever playing football again.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Jul 26, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
A "hurry" is another way of saying...
… he didn’t get to the QB. He was 16th in the league in sacks, or exactly in the middle in terms of weak-side pass-rushers.
And Cushing just had the best season of any 4-3 linebacker in the league, bar none.
And Dunta Robinson should be banished from playing football. I’d argue he was the worst number 1 corner in the league last year: #1 in penalties, in the bottom quarter of the league in YPA and QB Rating Against. That’s why no one should have mourned his move to Jawja.
Can't hate on hurries...
You’d have to break it down, but sometimes a hurry pays off more than a sack. Example: QB gets flushed out of the pockets, throws on the run, and the ball is picked off.
I want more sacks, but if the QB isn’t comfortable then I’m alright with that.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Go back and look at the Fred Bennet interception against the Tits in 08
And you’ll find that it came about 100% because of Amobi hurrying Collins.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 26, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I miss Vodka Collins
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Ah, I see
Well I’m going to go on the Colts board and tell them that Dwight Freeney wasn’t getting to the QB since he lead the league in hurries. If only he were more dedicated.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Jul 26, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Freeney was near the top of the league in sacks.
I’ll take being near the top of the league in “finishing the play” than being near the top of the league in “almost getting to the QB.”
Sacks and hurries tie into each other...
You have to be there to make a play…and even being there can lead to a play being made (forcing the QB to throw a bad ball or on the run)….but these young guys need to learn how to finish better (which sounds like the entire Texans team).
As for Dwight, he had a sack in every game he played during the regular season. There’s no reason why Mario couldn’t do the same.
"Lord, beer me strength."
It's specious though.
We already have had someone point out that sack totals fluctuate and there can be “unlucky” sack seasons. It makes more sense to judge how good someone is at getting pressure by, you know, the actual amount of hurries they get.
I’ll take it too. Nobody is saying that a hurry is better than a sack in the scorebook. But as far as future success goes, the high hurries indicate to me that he’ll probably do better than 9 next year.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Jul 26, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
My issue with Mario in '09
He went three entire games without registering in the box score:
@ Cards 10/11/09
@ Bills 11/1/09
@ Dolphins 12/27/09
That means no tackles, no assists, no sacks, no forced fumbles, etc. Almost as if he wasn’t even there. Injury concerns aside, if you’re on the field as the best DL on the team, you should at least be able to fart on someone and get in the box score. Not sure what is more telling, the fact that he failed to register in those three games or the fact that we went 2-1 and should could have been 3-0.
hCG levels within acceptable range.
Also
Giving up on Okoye is pretty silly. Regardless of what Tim and bfd think, Amobi is basically a senior in college/first year pro in terms of age. His salary is going to change that fact. Arguing that people should expect more from him just because McNair threw a ton of money at him is like arguing that it shouldn’t rain on your beach holiday because you laid out a bunch of money on it.
Unlike a Schaub or even a James Casey, Okoye is still developing as an athlete and as a human. Also, he was forced into playing above his weight in a role that may not have suited him so well.
It’s too early to give up on him.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 26, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I beleve that...
the Texans will win the Super Bowl in 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010!
You rate a guy play's first
Then you compare that too his salary. Okoye’s a special case because of his age when drafted (especially because of his position). You can make the argument all day long that Okoye wasn’t wortth drafting because it was going to take too long too really pay off. I would even tend to agree with you. Once he’s drafted though, that argument is only good for pointless internet discussions. We knew when we drafted him that he was going to take patience. If you give up on him now then you really never should have drafted him in the first place. You have to stick to the original plan. Even if you don’t like some of the things along the way. I do think it’s time for Okoye to step his game up, but he probably takes more criticism than he deserves. He definitely has earned some criticism though.
BTW: Okoye’s salary this year. $765,000. Cap number under the old CBA would be 2.6 mill. Cody’s would be 1.8 million for a little perspective. (Numbers from Keith at In the Bullseye). We already spent the big money on Okoye with his signing bonus. He’s a relative bargain now salary wise, and since we don’t have to account for that signing bonus with no cap this year there’s no reason not to hold onto him and see if we can’t a get a little more ROI.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
If the Texans can get $765Ks worth of value this season, that would be a bonus...
No, just kidding on that point. But, yes, the overall investment including the signing bonus was not returned in on the field performance. So, Okoye is faced with needing a good performance to justify and future contracts, plus with Earl Mitchell in the fold, he stands to lose snaps and maybe eventually his starting role.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
He absolutely stands to lose snaps etc.
My point is that we have already spent the bulk of his contract money on him. It’s gone and we(Or Mr. Bob “Intensity” McNair) can’t get it back. Outside of the the top 5-10 picks the salaries aren’t completely ridiculous….just kinda ridiculous. Any vet we could poach off the waiver wire or pick up in Free agency at a similar salary/or cap level(praying there’s no work stoppage….) is not likely to give us significantly more than Okoye (see Cody, Sean) while having significantly less “upside”. There’s no doubting Okoye’s athletic ability. He’s still likely to gain some of that grown ass man strength. Will he ever be elite? Not likely, but I do think it’s not very far fetched to think that he will have a significant improvement over where he is now. Even if you doubt his upside, wouldn’t you take the guy that was younger over the older player assuming they grade out similarly?
Is it worth it to draft a guy that takes that long to develop? That’s a whole different argument, but since we already did it there’s no good reason to not see it through.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Re: Waitwaitwait
I’m not saying that Brian Cushing isn’t worthy of praise. He had an amazing rookie campaign. What I am saying, however, is that it seems a bit disingenuous to me to talk about the incomparable intensity of Cushing’s workouts without even giving lip service to the hCG issue.
I respectfully disagree with the notion that Mario had “a bum season.”
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
Mario
Underperformed relative to previous seasons. Clearly, there were mitigating issues. As with his “disappointing” rookie campaign, I expect these issues to be resolved and result in a regression to mean, which for Mario is quite spectacular.
That said, I do think Cushing is a more “intense” player in the sense that he’s more vocal, and at least has a reputation as more of a gym rat. All media code words for “intense.”
Mario has the natural advantage of being a freak of nature, and I think people tend to think he’s less “intense” because…you know, the man is 6’7", 295 lbs and runs a 4.65 40. That’s pretty intense to start out with. I don’t think it’s necessarily a sign that he’s a less serious or motivated player though- Mario seems pretty intense to me, and I’m sure OTs everywhere agree.
read between the lines
Bob McNair is saying that Mario and Amobe need to get on the juice and play like savage animals. Which pump up the rest of the team to play at a higher level. actually it’s about time someone call these underacheiving super talented players out, maybe it will get their blood boiling. I believe Bob was calling out Amobe moreso than Mario, he just didn’t want to seem like he was singling out Amobe, and it’s Mario’s job to whip that line in to shape and get them playing with intensity. Mario’s got to set an example of how hard to work and the rest of the defensive line will follow his lead. If he just does what is required, so will the rest of them, but if he works as hard as Cushing, so will they. get it, got it, good.
Pollard is doing his part from the DB’s, i have hopes for i young DB’s this year
The Linebackers don’t even need to be mentioned.
The Recievers have Andre
The OL have Winston, believe me, that guy is intense
The RB have a 3 headed monster, let’s find out who wants to take lead. i like all 3 btw.
Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo!
My prediction: It's going to be another rookie this season who comes in and fires up this part of the defense
That rookie is Earl Mitchell. Another PLAYER with a motor. Like Cushing last season, EMFM doesn’t quit on any play. Opportunities will come to him. He may not go into the season with a quote/unquote “starting” role, but he will get snaps and he will make plays and his snaps will increase as the season goes on. The rest of the D-line will take note, hopefully, and follow that lead.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I disagree with the tone and the substance of this post
Bob McNair is tired of settling for mediocrity, when he knows the talent is there. The missing ingredient? Intensity! I am completly in Bob McNair’s corner on this. His opinion is valid and needed. Let’s see how the team responds.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Jul 26, 2010 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Meh
On intensity. I’ll settle for people who play to their talent levels and don’t blow assignments. Intensity is often an euphemism for covering up shortcomings in ability.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 26, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
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by riversmccown on Jul 26, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
And my point is that
9 sacks for Mario Williams and 2 sacks in 2 years for Amobi Okoye is not “playing to their talent levels.” If they have the talent and aren’t producing, they lack intensity, are too stupid to “get it”, or are lazy.
I’d argue the problem with Mario is the first thing I listed and the problem with Amobi is the last.
As I noted above
There could be other reasons. Luck plays a bigger factor in a sack than a lot of people realize. That’s why, historically, a lot of acknowledged great pass rushers have off years. Michael Strahan, for example, had a stretch of years that looked like this: 7.5, 5.0, 14.0, 15.0, 5.5, 9.5, 22.5, 11.0. His numbers are all over the map, but no one should doubt his overall ability. It’s much more likely that he was very lucky in some years and very unlucky in others.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 26, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Or...
Brett Favre kept running at him.
by DisplacedTexan on Jul 26, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm currently
In the city where you went to law school.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 28, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I think we witnessed what intensity can add to a player's game, ie Cushing
Bob McNair used Cushing as an example of what intensity can do for your game. He was dead on. If you want to branch out to what else is wrong with the team, sure, we can add not blowing assignments, getting MORE talented players, whatever you want. The list goes on. but I say it and I stand by it, Bob McNair is talking about intensity and that is something that Cushing is leading the way on. The other Texans players need to follow that lead. This is not Cushing saying, “Look at me, do what I do.” This is the Owner laying down the gauntlet to his team. This is also not Al Davis getting stupid and calling out players the way he does. I like this Bob McNair. Bob McNair is impressing me more and more. If this doesn’t motivate the players he has named, then nothing will. Bob McNair has coddled these players long enough. Call them out if they are leaving something on the field.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Jul 26, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have no problem with Bob
Other than waiting too long to pull the trigger on Carr, Casserly, Capers and Richard Smith. But he’s gotten a lot right, and I agree that he may have found a good way to motivate his team without losing his classiness.
But I do raise an eyebrow at people questioning Mario’s intensity. Smacks of Little Dicky Justice, Age 12.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 26, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Casserly and Capers...
the CaCa era. Never has a name seemed more appropriate.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Is that how this is going to go?
- I think Amobi’s a bust.
- I don’t think DeMeco Ryans is a great linebacker. Good, but not great.
- I think Schaub’s going to throw more than 12 interceptions next season.
- I think Mario Williams could do with this nice and less-than-subtle kick in the butt.
Response: Quit being a hater!!
Show me where I've called you a hater.
I have a different opinion. I’m offering my side and you are offering yours. I’m not in the habit of insulting the opinions of my fellow Texans fans and I don’t think I’ve come anyhere close to insulting yours.
You’re free to your opinion and I appreciate someone being contrary. But don’t be so sensitive.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 26, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You accused me of being Richard Justice.
The “hater” part is implied.
Eh
I said I raised an eyebrow when people did that. It’s a stretch to say that is accusing someone of being a hater.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 28, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions
this is exactly
what i said on my last comment!! the intensity issue was our biggest problem LAST YEAR. Not talent or depth, just how FLAT we played for half the game. I’ll never forget the JAX game last year when Gerrard converted like five 3rd/4th downs in a row because we had everyone covered in the secondary but never applied ANY pressure. Also the reason why Peyton kills us everytime, it isnt because we dont have a ballhawk in the secondary, its because if you give a guy like that the amount of time to throw as we do he will complete every pass! its throw and catch!! McNair brought football back and if you think YOURE mad when the Texans lose a game you paid 75 bucks for at ticket to go to, imagine paying the multi million dollar payroll like Bob McNair does.
by theSpaceCityKid on Jul 26, 2010 3:38 PM CDT reply actions
Are those down to a lack of intensity
Or a lack of a defensive scheme that suits our talents the best?
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 26, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd say lack of intensity
We know Mario, Amobi, Antonio, and Connor have the talent. If you’re not getting any pressure with that front 4, it’s NOT scheme, it’s NOT lack of talent, it’s complete lack of intensity.
Wake me up when Mario Williams isn’t getting stonewalled by whoever’s playing LT for Indy and ROOKIE TACKLE Eugene Monroe.
Offensive lines are good enough these days
That virtually no team that uses a 4-3 can rely on its front four to generate consistent pressure. Yet under Frank Bush we blitzed just about as much as we did under Richard Smith. Considering how little we blitzed, our front four actually did a pretty good job of generating pressure. I suspect if we blitzed more, our pass rushing linemen would get more sacks.
And I don’t think anyone could say that Antonio Smith lacks intensity.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 26, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Right! Are we in this to win Super Bowls or are we in this to play our ten years, get out, and say we were pro football players?
I say play like every game is the Super Bowl!
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 26, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
They did get pressure though.
Mario was top 10 in hurries, and Antonio was top 20. They just didn’t finish them as well as they could’ve.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Jul 26, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, during OTAs....
Antonio said that Bill Kollar had made a video of 15 or so plays where he should’ve had a sack. Seemed real motivated by that video.
"Lord, beer me strength."
But was he intense?
Because if not, there was no point in even showing him the video.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Jul 26, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
In fact, lets just start Kevin Bentley at defensive end.
That guy is intense. He’ll get things done!
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Jul 26, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Now you're being an ass.
Or are you really trying to argue that Mario brings the same intensity that Antonio, Brian, and Bernard have?
I wouldn't argue that because intensity doesn't factor into my evaluation of a player
Which is why I am mockingly suggesting that our special teams captain be named the starting defensive end.
Aesthetically pleasing? Sure. Something worth singling out as worthy of praise? Maybe. A dealbreaker? Not even in the slightest.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Jul 26, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I should add, before someone takes this and runs with it
That “intensity” and “effort” are not the same thing.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Jul 26, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
That's your definition
They are closely related and could be used interchangeably….
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
by Rip Jersey on Jul 27, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
intensity and effort?
intensity is more cerebral and effort is more physical…or did i get that backwards…oh well, the two go hand and hand; and complement each other. rivers and rip, you are both right, kind of. However:
I think if one brings great intensity, effort always comes with it.
I thing if one brings great effort; intensity doesn’t always come with it.
example: Demeco Vs. Ray Lewis
intensity = passion
effort = non stop, hard work
the Texans have a lot of high effort players, but not very many intense players.
Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo!
Spikes ball and does the icky shuffle....
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Was he in the room with him?
Or does video tape watching intensity not count the same as on-field intensity?
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Jul 26, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Barwin
Is Barwin that talented? Is the collective thought, that Connor Barwin is going to turn into a defensive stud soon?
Dunno about stud...
but in limited time…in his second year as a defensive end….he led rookie defensive linemen in sacks last season.
He’s trained hard, looks to get more snaps, and there’s a fair amount of hope that he’ll continue to make strides.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Physically gifted, yes.
Which puts him in the same boat as Mario. I’m not sure how you define talent with defensive lineman. In fact, based on Mario’s repertoire of moves (aka: speed-rush 15-yards past the pocket every time), I’d say that he’s not particularly talented. That term would be reserved for somebody like Freeney, who is undersized but has a nasty spin-move to get inside nonetheless.
by Nashmeister on Jul 26, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
agree, Freeney is talented, perhaps the most talented DE out there. He has moves that are nasty. My hat is off to him.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I'm nit-picking now, but
I’d say Mario Williams and Julius Peppers are undoubtedly the most talented pass-rushers out there. Freeney is the best, but he can’t hold a candle to these guys physically.
At least, this is how I think of “talent.”
honestly I wish
mario would have trained with cush this offseason.i want to see him judo chop lts nd then sper qbs… His physicality (unsure whether or not that is right history not english mjor)is amazing I want to see him fake a swim then spin inside. Or visa versa. I especially want to see cowpatty fans cringe everytime mario makes tony homo feel like david carr.
"Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries! Now Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"
Go Texans!
Mario is a physical freak and if he had a move or two, he would be the best
Because he is limited on moves….he can be contained.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Judging by the intensity of this thread....
We are ready for Friday.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Jul 26, 2010 4:30 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Looks like we got our mean on!
Greatest pre-game prayer. Ever.
http://movieclips.com/watch/johnny-be-good-1988/coachs-prayer-gets-crass/
hCG levels within acceptable range.
Okoye
Either steps it up or Mitchell gets it. I don’t care. I have a feeling okoye isn’t a Texan next year though…..
by AllenOU on Jul 26, 2010 5:41 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
More importantly than that
…which of them is more INTENSE112132BLAM
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
Okoye has not shown nasty. I'm predicting nasty for Mitchell. Let's watch this one...
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Only one way to know
I think that it’s great that our owner has publicly stated what he expects from this team. I think he remembers how bad that first game was and doesn’t want that to happen again this season. I also believe that he thinks intensity will sell tickets. If the players are jumping and celebrating after every play then it pumps the crowd up. The more entertaining your team is the more support you will get. In the end i have hopes that okoye proves his critics wrong along with cush, and that mario destroys the sack record. more importantly i think mcnair needs to remember that his best player is the one. we know who he is. he has kept his mouth shut through the carrwreck era and put up hof numbers so far. in the end if we make the playoffs we will remember this.
Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Jul 26, 2010 11:13 PM CDT reply actions
Things like this are better coming from the Coach
Kubiak has a little more credibility on things like this because he can relate to the players. He may have never been more than a back up QB, but at least he knows what it’s like to slog through training camp. He has the players backs for the most part and they know it. Even if Mario and Okoye aren’t offended and are actually motivated by it….there’s still the chance that during training camp in some afternoon session in the 98 degree heat with 14,987% humidity that some player or players is going to think “I would like to see that old rich spoiled bastard try being intense in this shit”.
That being said WAY too much is being made about these comments. I read them as intended more to praise Cushing and Pollard than to attack Mario and Okoye.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
papa, you are onto something there
It certainly is not an “attack” as some are perceiving/translating it. I think it is mostly media-types such as sports talk shows and blog-writers who are hyping that angle trying to generate mass reaction. Some have even opined that thanks to McNair’s words, he has alienated Mario and he will likely not resign with the Texans. What a pile of hooey! But, good for them. They feast off reaction.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I ain't going that far as to alienating Mario
but Papa is right. This definitely should’ve come from a coach (Kubiak, Kollar, Bush) as opposed to the owner. The coach’s job is to push the buttons, the owner’s job is to hire the right people and let them do their job. To be fair, McNair doesn’t always do this…but I’m just not a fan of an owner calling out (however politely) a player.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I would have zero problem if he said this to them in private
I don’t think it’s a huge deal in any way, but there’s no need to risk alienating anyone by saying it publicly. In the end it could have a positive effect and motivate them…but that could have been achieved in-house without the risk.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

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