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Three Months Later, Could Brian Cushing Really be Innocent?

Just when I thought we were almost past it, the past few days have brought the embarassing Brian Cushing hCG story back to the front pages. With the news that Texans owner Bob McNair would meet with NFL Commissioner Roger Goddell with supposed new evidence to have the Cushing suspension either reduced or overturned completely, your Houston Texans are finally getting that mighty ESPN coverage some so desperately desire. Unfortunately, bad press isn't always better than no press.

So of course when it was brought up yesterday morning that the likely evidence was something called "Overtrained Athlete Syndrome," many fans and media around the league could only give a Texas-sized facepalm, followed by some erratic shaking of the head. I even joked that I thought Goddell would slap another game or two on Cushing's suspension just for wasting his time with something as ridiculous as "OAS."

But Goddell commented late yesterday that he "did meet with Bob at his request" and that he is "trying to get all the facts correct, so we make sure we are making the right decision."

That doesn't sound as absolute as I was expecting. Does this mean that there is even a one in a million chance that the suspension gets overturned? I'd say still not likely, but again it seems to depend on what kind of mood the commish is in these days.

"As you know in the medical profession, there are rarely absolutes and there are varying opinions," Goddell added. "We want to make sure we listen to all the experts and understand all the facts."

More after the jump...

Star-divide

With Cushing claiming that the team now has "the science to back it all up," things could get real interesting if this suspension is actually overturned. In the end, I seriously doubt it will be. But just for the heck of it, let's say it ends up being overturned. While Texans nation would of course be ecstatic, this would likely open a very large can of worms. The league would now have to deal with a scenario where any future player who gets busted for steroids and other performance enhancing drugs would cry out that they were victims of "Overtrained Athlete Syndrome." And I really don't think that is something Goddell wants to happen under his watch. But, like I said, crazier things have certainly happened. Like how Michael Vick is still in the damn league.


Something else that seems to be up for debate now is the possibility that Cushing is actually telling the truth. At first I thought this was just another Roger Clemens scenario where a guy just decides to deny, deny, deny and use poor excuses like how someone "misremembers." And I'm still not completely sold that he is innocent. I mean, Cushing isn't the only "overtrained athlete" in the league, I am quite sure. Why wouldn't more guys have tested positive for this? There have been some credible people who claim that there is no way he ever took anything. With the way it's been documented about how hard he pushes himself and his unique dieting habits, it can be quite easy to believe the kid. With him adamantly saying he never took anything and even convincing Bob McNair to go to bat for him, that could come back to bite you in the ass if you're lying to the guy who signs your checks.

Bottom line is that I can't blame Cushing one bit for this if his body really did produce hCG naturally. Because if it did, what's keeping it from happening again and forcing him to fail another test in the future? And the next suspension would be pretty painful, as I believe it means Cush would be gone for an entire season.

But if we can take the homer glasses off for a minute, ask yourself if you truly believe Cushing's story....

Okay, now pretend he doesn't even play for the Texans and ask yourself again...

Is your answer the same?

I'll be honest that I am more on the fence now than I was back in May, but I still wouldn't call myself a "believer."  As far as the suspension being overturned, I wouldn't get my hopes up. Cushing isn't. He said it himself and I think this quote from him is the best way to approach this situation.

"I've got 12 games I've got to get ready for. Whatever decision is made, I've got to respect the decision of the commissioner. I'm staying open-minded today, but I'm not getting my hopes up."

Nor should we.

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McNair's credibility

McNair stepping out on Cushing’s behalf adds a whole new credibility to his argument. Sports writers refuse to address this part of the story. In my opinion, many of these guys got burned by the steroids scandal in baseball and can not be objective in issues of PED use. I don’t believe McNair would put his credibility and reputation on the line unless he thought it was highly probable that Cushing did not take the hCG.

by battlered90 on Aug 10, 2010 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

AGREED!

I do agree with battlered90. Why would McNair go to all that trouble if there was one ounce of doubt in his mind. I read all the articles, but don’t really care what other people think. I am a true Texan fan no matter what. Hope this will all be over soon and we can concentrate on some football games.

by Gotexans66 on Aug 10, 2010 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

I didn't believe him then I kind of did

now I don’t know what to think, and I think he is just creating a sand screen with some of this. First it was a pituitary thing, now its over trained athlete syndrome. Which one is it?

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 10, 2010 1:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Remember when it came out that he was using roids at the combine

just before the draft one site said that he tested positive than it came out like a week later that he didnt. Because of that i believe that hes innocent. Most people on other sites call him “juice head” and a cheater when it was never proven and the only test that said that he used steroids was a lie. They want to Believe that hes a cheater so bad that they are willing to ruin his name. As silly as “Overtrained Athlete Syndrome” sounds its real and I believe him

living the Texas dream

by Joe25 on Aug 10, 2010 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe OAS is the answer

We can speculate, laugh, cry, and point fingers all we want. We are secondary to all of it…not even a fly on the wall. By the commissionerks own account there were experts in the room attempting to help make the case for OAS. I am thinking Goodell HAS to throw the suspension out the window due to too much grayness in the whole thing. It can’t be a black and white, he “failed the test” therefore he’s guilty! I really think that!

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Aug 10, 2010 1:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

just before the draft one site said that he tested positive than it came out like a week later that he didnt. Because of that i believe that hes innocent.

So based on something that has NOTHING to do with his positive test you believe he is innocent?

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 10, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because they said he tested positive for roids

when he didnt, so his positive test for hGC, which is used after steroids, was naturally Occurring

living the Texas dream

by Joe25 on Aug 10, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except he could have done steroids after the combine

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 10, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

He could have or didnt

Point is he says he didnt take anything and i believe him if you dont then i guess thats your choice

living the Texas dream

by Joe25 on Aug 10, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say I didn't believe him

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 10, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know

if you do believe him great, if not i dont blame you i mean if he were a Colt or something we would be calling him cheater too just like all the other misinformed idiots out there.

living the Texas dream

by Joe25 on Aug 10, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

As I mentioned in the original thread, if Goodell makes a decision within the first 24 hours it means nothing will be changed.

The longer Goodell takes to decide on this the higher the chance that something about the suspension changes.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU

by TexansForever on Aug 10, 2010 1:59 PM CDT reply actions  

I was thinking the exact same thing today - It's day 3 and counting

My hopes are now officially up

It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are due to get to the big dance...Go Texans!!!!!

by oiler-texan diehard on Aug 11, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome

Hope you’ll continue to stick around.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Aug 10, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

ROFL....I remember when that wa posted.....I have a feeling that is not going away........ever.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU

by TexansForever on Aug 10, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nor Should It

As the old chestnut goes, “Go big or be branded an idiot for all eternity.”

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Aug 10, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ahhhh, Tim

I love ya…always ’ave.

Besides, I’m sure a Ben Tate joke is coming any moment now…

by Mike Kerns on Aug 10, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

should that 'or" be an "and"??? :)

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU

by TexansForever on Aug 10, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Touche, Salesman

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Aug 10, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeh, now that Time has heard about this fertility hormone

what’s it called? hCG? He wants to know how to get some and he’s in line to have Cushing’s baby……

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Aug 10, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

And welcome.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Aug 10, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks, and rec'd.

Two things that keep coming back to me are:
1) Statements that a person using hCG while cycling off ’roids would have much higher levels than Cushing apparently tested positive with.
2) The level of hCG at which the NFL deems a positive test was lowered and Cushing would not have “tested positive” in 2008.

Mind you, none of this makes any real difference, but it does make you wonder why the NFL lowered the threshold and what really is the level of hCG at which you know for certain someone is taking it externally, therefore prompting the belief that PED’s were/are being used.

"I like watching the old naked couple on public access...until the guy stands up, then it sux." ~ BFD

by LoneSpot on Aug 10, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

In-depth follow-up question

Where is the scientific (and statistically valid) study that shows what the threshold of hCG production is in the human body vs. the levels following a steroid cycle?

Or, to be more to the point….Is the NFL just pulling these hCG threshold numbers (pre- & post-2008) directly from their own ass?

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Aug 10, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The media never even bothered to ask what medical evidence was presented in his appeal at the press conference

…they were too busy going for the soap opera angle to try and stir up shit with his MMA trainer.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Aug 10, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know enough to read anything into the low levels

I don’t why the threshold was lowered, but the fact the NFL’s experts appear to disagree on parts of Cushings case make me wonder how sound the policy is in the first place. This has made the rounds, but here is another article questioning the testing methods of the NFL.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/-quot-Overtrained-Athlete-Syndrome-quot-isn-t-C?urn=nfl-261207

I think most people want this to be an open and shut kind of thing, but I’m not sure it’s that simple.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Aug 10, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

you hit it right on the head. . .

when you said that “most people want this to be an open and shut kind of thing, but I’m not sure it’s that simple.” I studied microbiology in college, and the endocrine system and how it effects the expression of traits is very complex. There is so much grey area and complex factors involved in the expression of different traits, ranging from hormone production all the way to gender expression. There are only statistical probabilities on the rate at which the body does or does not produce hormones, as well as which ones are present and in what proportions. The stats are on your side most of the time, but there are always those extreme cases where that .01% chance pops up. He may be guilty, but the commisioner is doing the right thing by keeping an open dialogue on the subject. You may remember that runner from South Africa that had to go gender testing to see whether or not she was a woman. That was a clear case of the grey area involved in endocrinology. . .

by Drill Sarge on Aug 10, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That South African runner

was cleared to race as a woman in July. Because he-she ran so well, the IAAF wants more gender testing.

As Cushing pointed out “We are all genetically different” which is why DNA evidence is so strong. No 2 people, other than identical twins, have the exact same DNA sequence. All men and women have both male and female hormones. In the vast majority of people it is obvious whether testosterone or estrogen is the dominant player. There are people, however, like the South African track runner where the delineation is not so clear. The same has to be true of the interrelationships of the pituitary gland, exercise and hCG levels in male athletes. I would hope that the NFL had some real basis for their hCG enforcement limit, because if as Shake suggested, they came up with the number in a fashion that isn’t scientifically valid then they have no business doing the testing. This whole thing could end up being a legal nightmare.

It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are due to get to the big dance...Go Texans!!!!!

by oiler-texan diehard on Aug 11, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Show of hands

Anyone who really doesn’t care if Cushing juiced or not?

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Aug 10, 2010 3:13 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't really care about roids

Not that this is the case in this instance, but I think it’s stupid that athletes can be banned/suspended for things that anyone of us can buy legally. In some sense it’s turned into a witch hunt. I’m not saying that people should do steroids, but it’s turned into such a hot button that anything that might possibly be labeled as a performance enhancer gets branded as evil.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Aug 10, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Agree'd

"I like watching the old naked couple on public access...until the guy stands up, then it sux." ~ BFD

by LoneSpot on Aug 10, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Word

And everyone should know that I took some real Sudafed last week. So I’m afraid I might miss the first 4 games this year.

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Aug 10, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Advil Cold and Sinus is my PED of choice

And they swipe your ID for that shit. WTF!?! Once again, Methopotamia ruins the fun for everyone else.

"I like watching the old naked couple on public access...until the guy stands up, then it sux." ~ BFD

by LoneSpot on Aug 10, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd on so many levels.

"I like watching the old naked couple on public access...until the guy stands up, then it sux." ~ BFD

by LoneSpot on Aug 10, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Need two more of those

One for Chris Johnson, & the other for Maurice Jones-Drew

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Aug 10, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

OR

We could just have a DB actually cover Johnson when he moves from the backfield to WR

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Aug 11, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

^^^ This.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
www.battleredblog.com

by tehGrindCrusher on Aug 12, 2010 4:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sipin' on Lean....

Eating Cheesburgers…Rollin up a Swisher…Bangin Choped and Screwed…

Jamarcus has the whole Third Coast market cornered.

It takes a big man to walk away, but a bigger man to break his freaking jaw!

by USMC_Texas on Aug 11, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

He did go to LSU

So kinda obvious where he picked up those habits

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Aug 12, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was pissed the last time I tried to buy real Sudafed and I realized I had to go the counter and fill shit out

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Aug 10, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

As LoneSpot said….fucking Methopotamia

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Aug 10, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's all I took when I was sick as a kid

My mom would just give me like 30 of those and then tell me to go play outside and everything was all better…..oh wait.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Aug 10, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, just have to speak up on this

I was prepared to call you all fucking idiots, but I won’t. I will just say you are ignorant.

I have friends from high school that died early deaths due to steroid use. One was a high school All-American RB. He died before he ever carried a ball at the college level. Another started in high school as a football players, went on as a body builder and died before he was 30. Another had all kinds of back and joint problems. I don’t know if he is still alive or just severely disabled.

Sure, there are guys who have used them and got off and are still alive. Some right here on this blog. And, oh, the methods of using them today, makes them so much safer. Well, they aren’t safe and that is why they are banned. It’s not because it is unfair that some use them and some don’t. It is because they are unsafe, damaging, and deadly. Okay?

Sure, OTC Sudafed, whoopie! Have fun with that one. I can put up with that. To say you don’t care about roids makes you ignorant (may be code word for something else….).

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Aug 10, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I guess that makes it okay, because you said so, regardless of their deaths...okay

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Aug 10, 2010 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not trying to be a jerk

I think that using steroids in football is bad for competition, and it sucks when people die. But there is a paranoia about steroids that doesn’t exist for other drugs, except for maybe marijuana. A lot of the things that we take for granted as facts about them are really just educated guesses by scientist because there are not very many long term studies that have been done on them. There is lots of disagreement on the cons of steroids and if they actually cause symptoms like depression, roid rage, tumors, etc. Some of these PED’s may be used in the future more and more as anti-aging and diet drugs by legitimite doctors. Here’s a story that HBO real sports did a while back that points to some of the facts about steroids. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2754168929523377644#

gives people some things to think about what they thought they new. . .

by Drill Sarge on Aug 10, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not ignorant

Look at it this way: alchohol and alcohol-related illnesses and events (i.e. liver failure or drunk-driving) kill far more people in one month than steroid abuse does in one year. But we don’t ban alcohol. Instead we regulate it and encourage its responsible use.

Why should steroids be any different. Arnold Schwarzenegger, when he was winning Mr Olympia titles, admitted that he was on roids. As he has said they were prescribed by doctors who monitored him to make sure no harm was done.

Remember that anabolic steroids came into existence not because of their ability to make athletes better but to help people recovering from serious illnesses like cancer. If they’re ok for cancer patients, why would they kill a healthy athlete? Because a healthy athlete might overuse them and it’s the abuse that kills or harms.

I’m not necessarily in favor of steroid use, but I do have questions about how we try to enforce this stuff. The NFL is supposed to have the best PED-testing regime of any American sport, but a quick glance at the average NFL player tells you that there is something wrong with the picture, unless you think that a 6’8" 250 pound person running a 4’6" 40 is somehow fairly normal for even an elite athlete.

After a while, the whole drug-testing regime starts to look a bit like Prohibition. And that did absolutely nothing to stop the consumption of alcohol. It just made millionaires out of the criminals that distributed it.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Aug 11, 2010 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

^ This is comprehensive

RIP, I’m truly sorry that you lost people close to you because of steroid use.

But that is not exactly a statistically valid sample size to say that the majority of steroid users die or end up severely disabled. Changing the word “users” to “abusers”, however, could very well make it a true statement.

I lost a very close friend at the age of 16. She died unexpectedly due to the damage her body took when she was only 1 year old, and her parents’ car was hit by a drunk driver. (She was as active & seemingly healthy as any other 16 year old, but her heart apparently still had quite a bit of internal damage.)

But that doesn’t mean that no one should ever go out and enjoy a beer with friends. Like anything else, it should be done in a non-abusive manner.

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Aug 11, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I guess I should clarify

I don’t have a problem with steroids as it relates to sports in that I’m not going to be morally outraged every time I find out about an athlete taking them…at least not when I’m one of the millions spending my time/money to see these guys perform. That doesn’t mean I support steroid use, it just means I’m not going to act shocked and outraged when a guy like McGuire is linked to steroids. The entire country watched every damn at bat that he and Sosa had for the last half of the season, and then acted like they were horrible people when they were linked to Steroids. I’m sorry, but if you watched those two and didn’t at least recognize the possibility that they were steroid users then you were either very naive or willfully ignorant.

I’m using McGuire and Sosa as an example, but that goes for all athletes. Helll, plenty of people use them because they think it will make them look better at the beach, Throw in an environment where millions of people cheer every time someone gets jacked up on a big hit or hits a towering home run and the millions and millions of dollars on the line for the ones who do it best and it’s surprising more people don’t do them. I just find it slightly hypocritical to get mad because a guy tried to find an edge. I know that steroids can be considered taking a shortcut, but some people will do anything to win especially when the stakes are this high so I see it more as an unwanted side effect of the sports culture we created.

I know of a guy who had multiple heart issues in high school because of roids, so I know the dangers. I’m sorry about your friends. I’m not trying to promote steroid use at all. I just don’t get that upset when someone else chooses to put something dangerous in their body if it doesn’t affect me directly.

I do think it’s silly how many OTC supplements are banned (even though I’ve told many people to stay away from a lot of them). I also think it’s absolutely ridiculous when congress holds hearings because some baseball players were using roids.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Aug 11, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly?

I’ll raise my hand. You will never convince me most players don’t do it. I had a shot at college ball and got a good look at a lot of the PED-taking that goes on at that level… I firmly believe that most of the league does it, and the product that you, me, and everyone else is paying for in terms of the modern day NFL is ABSOLUTELY predicated on PED abuse.

That said, there are serious ramifications if a) Cushing is telling the truth and his suspension is upheld or b) he’s lying and McNair went to bat for him.

a) If he’s telling the truth and the suspension is upheld, then he’ll be out of the league in a few years because he’s going to keep testing positive no matter what and the league’s not going to do anything to listen to him anymore.

b) McNair has really proved himself in my eyes as one of the most admirable owners in the league. This guy just went forward with what he knows was absolutely stupid “evidence” because he really believes the guy. If Cushing’s lying, McNair’s the fool and Cushing’s off the team and we’re in a huge hole.

by krkenney on Aug 10, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't care....

I think more do it than we know, but it’s their body so whatever…

However, the way Cushing keeps fighting and appealing and got McNair involved….you don’t make the spotlight bigger and brighter if you’re dirty. That’s just inviting a huge wave of backlash from all parties. Do I believe him? Meh, but I’m doubting it more and more.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Aug 10, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

but it’s their body so whatever…

Its not about them putting it in their body. Its other people feeling they have no choice but to put something that can be extremely harmful in their body because otherwise the playing field won’t be level.

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 10, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

right here

I could not care less. I’m sure most athletes juice like crazy

by cubic on Aug 10, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remember how

Before we drafted him (when we didn’t want to draft him) and before he won Rookie of the Year (when we issued Smithiak fawning mea culpas) this was one of the knocks on him? I remember a post on DGDB&D about it and his porn career.

If he didn’t play for the Texans, I would laugh openly at the entire concept of overtrained athlete syndrome. If he played for the Titans, I would gloat. As it is, while I believe he’s probably lying, even the possibility of something happening with the suspension excites me….because at the end of the day, I just want to watch the Texans win.

by JimboTexan on Aug 10, 2010 3:32 PM CDT reply actions  

stranger things have happpened

maybe the Texans have been testing his hCG levels everyday this summer and some test have come up positive. and remember it was only positive by a small amount. so there is some concern about future tests and cushing’s hCG levels are abnormal. if you injected hcg, it only stays in your system for for like 2-3 days i believe. it’s alot easier to get caught with a steroid, that usually stays in your system alot longer than hCG does. so it’s strange that he got busted with hcg…anyways the whole f-ing league juices or does HGH….what krkenney says is all fact!!! i had alot of friends that played college ball and i know what goes on. you have to juice to keep up with the rest of them. i accept it in football and don’t have a problem with it. Baseball i understand the record breaking going on, but football come on.

Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo!

by Andre4000 on Aug 10, 2010 3:37 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm a homer so what?

If Cushing played on any team other than the texans I would think he did steroids and he’s probably grasping at straws and trying to cover it up. But since he is a Texan I choose to believe him and I will cheer everytime he crushes another opponent. I was on the fence as to what jersey to get. It’s either cushing, pollard or johnson. I think I’m going with Cushing. So what if I have homer glasses on and they are so thick I can see the future! Go Texans!!!

by jags52982 on Aug 10, 2010 3:56 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

One thing I don't agree with....

But just for the heck of it, let’s say it ends up being overturned. While Texans nation would of course be ecstatic, this would likely open a very large can of worms. The league would now have to deal with a scenario where any future player who gets busted for steroids and other performance enhancing drugs would cry out that they were victims of “Overtrained Athlete Syndrome.” And I really don’t think that is something Goddell wants to happen under his watch.

I’m not sure it would open up as big of a can as you think. Because remember, Cushing tested positive for a masking agent, not steroids themselves. So you wouldn’t be able to use this argument for a straight steroid positive result. Also, the particular masking agent in Cushing’s case can be produced by the body naturally, so any other masking agent that isn’t “natural” couldn’t use OAS as an excuse either. It would only be an argument in a positive test for Hcg.

by gtal98 on Aug 10, 2010 4:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I would think there would need to be pretty conclusive evidence for it to be overturned

It’s not going to be overturned because the commissioner thought it sounded convincing. If it is overturned I would guess the league would release the scientific reasons for the suspension.

I seriously doubt anything is going to be overturned. My guess is best case scenario is that the league concedes their may be medical reason for the failed test, upholds the suspension anyway, but has a wink wink agreement with McNair on how to treat future positives…maybe requiring multiple, and more accurate, testing before the league acts.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Aug 10, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

From a political stand-point, I think you may be right. At least it would safeguard Cushing against a full season ban in the future.

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by distant_texans_fan on Aug 10, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

It also lets the league maintain a zero tolerance image…of course if it ever came out the backlash for the league would be pretty bad.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Aug 10, 2010 7:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not Sure How Much Discretion Goodell Has Here

The way I read it, Cushing violated the terms of a policy that was collectively bargained for. The policy says violation in this case means a four (4) game ban. While Goodell may have some sort of catch-all power, I’m not sure what that encompasses.

I’m not expecting any adjustment to the suspension. The end game, I think, is the Texans/Cushing wanting to get out ahead of the curve in the event Cushing is again found in violation of the PED policy for having the same “trace” hCG level in his system down the road.

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by Tim on Aug 10, 2010 4:23 PM CDT reply actions  

goodel does have the power to overutrn the suspension

I don’t think he can shorten it, but if the player provides medical proof he can overturn it.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Aug 10, 2010 6:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I believe Cush

Even if he weren’t a Texan. The just really are no absolutes in medicine and I have zero trust for the medical establishment or the companies who run those tests. I can identify with being accused of something or having a reputation for something that is absolutely not true. That why I have his back. I believe he is telling the truth and there really isn’t a good explanation.

by WhiskeyR on Aug 10, 2010 4:24 PM CDT reply actions  

0 trust?

for the medical establishment? That’s harsh, bro.

by clarky1661 on Aug 10, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

When they are bending you over and giving you a 10 inch beatdown for some kind of drug that causes more harm than good.

Yeah, you start to lose faith in the medical industry.

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by Schlauton on Aug 10, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

That

And my mother is heavily involved in the medical industry (professionally) and is completely opposed to the practices of the industry, the companies that thrive on it and the associations that pretend to be out to help those that suffer from specific diseases (such as the FDA, ADA and others). As someone who truly has the best interest of human beings at heart, I trust her assessment that there is too much corruption and laziness in the medical industry to ever EVER blindly trust it. There are good and there are bad, but there is nothing more healthy than skepticism.

Also – the medical field does not resemble anything close to exact science. It is more trial and error than anything.

by WhiskeyR on Aug 10, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, fair

I’m not doubting you’re mom’s experience. I just know and work with too many good doctors to have “zero trust for the medical establishment.”

I’m with Cush on this, fwiw.

by clarky1661 on Aug 10, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well I was mainly getting on the Pharmaceutical companies.

I am sure many doctors are alright, but Big Pharma really does screw the heck out of people.

Earl Campbell is the perfect combination of assmass and weightspeed. - Papabear

by Schlauton on Aug 11, 2010 3:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

There are a lot of good doctors

Some can get complacent and lazy, but there are a lot of very good doctors (especially in this town). I agree there. But the industry of medicine… the hospital industry, the drug industry… its all about money and they’ll throw anyone under the bus to get it (even down to sneaky legislation in things like Homeland Security Act). This probably isn’t a good place to talk politics but I did want to concede there are many good doctors and good people in the industry, just that the industry itself is crooked.

by WhiskeyR on Aug 11, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

^This statement....
the medical field does not resemble anything close to exact science. It is more trial and error than anything.

It is the doctors that try and bluff me into believing that it is are the ones that bother me. Without going into deep details, I have dealt with many specialists while raising my children and some of the “absolute” statements that have been made to me are mind boggling….especially when even a casual internet search of reliable sources reveals there is no absolute in that case.

And don’t even get me started on the pharmaceutical companies. Someone made the comment to me once that a cure for cancer will never be found because there is too much money to be made in “searching” for it.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Aug 11, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm in the believe Cush camp....

and would be even if he played with some other team.

I personally found that whole Star Caps thing to be a fiasco. An unlisted ingredient causes one to test positive for a banned substance. WTF?! Is an individual supposed to send everything he consumes to a lab to test what ingredients are in it? I believed everyone of those players, regardless of who they played for.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Aug 10, 2010 5:32 PM CDT reply actions  

one in a million...

so you’re saying there’s a chance.

It's Our Time.... or something...

by bennprince on Aug 10, 2010 5:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

For the Dumb and Dumber reference. I was thinking the same thing.

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by distant_texans_fan on Aug 10, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im not going to be reading too much into the im getting all the facts statement.

Of course he is. Its his job to do due diligence.
I dont think that Cushing is going to get his suspension lifted.

Im not even entirely sure I do believe him, but it doesnt even really matter. The biggest thing is I just never want to have to deal with this type of thing again. So if Cushing wants to do whatever tests, make whatever arguments he wants to i say go for it. Just never let me hear of it again.

After this whole thing he better be squeaky clean as well as back to pro caliber status.

by AlDe2356 on Aug 10, 2010 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Invalid Drug Test

I know HGC is banned by the NFL and understand why but if you are going to suspend someone you better have gone through the expense of having a true positive for the drug. My understanding is that for this drug the NFL uses 2 different positive screening test instead of using one screening test then if a positive shows up they use a stringent and more expensive positive test for the actual drug the screening test says is there. Depending on the drug being looked for screening test can have as high as a 70% false positive.

My main point is that 2 positive screening test are not accepted within the legal or scientific communities as a positive and I think that is why it is being reexamined.

by DPar on Aug 10, 2010 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Was he not tested a few more times during the season

after his initial failed test? Which means that he played the entire season without a steroid in his body right. If he could play at such a high level, even through injuries, why even bother taking steroids? I want to believe him…….

Jacoby is my ghostwriter.

by Salad on Aug 11, 2010 2:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Kerns good write up

I really hope I’m not being a Homer on this but I have been on Cush’s side the whole time. I even wrote about why I thought that back when this first came out
http://www.battleredblog.com/2010/5/13/1471602/the-truth-and-brian-cushing

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by Texans-Brocos on Aug 11, 2010 10:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Cut the guy some slack!

Why is everyone so quick to dismiss his explanation? This upstanding young man works too hard out on the field in an era of lazy Haynesworth clones and we crucify him because his body produced a substance that happens to be common in PED users? Perhaps we’ve never heard of this because he has pushed his body to limits (for our enjoyment no less) that no one else has ever attained before! He should be studied and celebrated, not chastised! I see no reason to believe he is lying. After all, Brian and his medical team produced a perfectly logical explanation! Perhaps there is a more sinster explanation and force at work here………now if only they could get the foremost expert on all matters medical, Dr. Roger K. Leir on board………

by Pi_1 on Aug 11, 2010 10:58 AM CDT reply actions  

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