Texans' Training Camp Open Thread - Day 4
by bigfatdrunk on Aug 2, 2010 6:59 AM CDT
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PrintI've got a crazy busy day, so y'all are on your own. See the Day 3 thread for a list of tweeters to follow. Today is the first day in full pads, so that'll be fun. Just please, Pollard: they're on your team, so try not to hurt anybody.
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of the best tweets thus far this morning:
John Harris
Full pads!! Players hate it, fans love it. Well, players love it for 2 minutes then it gets waaayy old.
A. Caldwell needs to do better job staying on first contact. Better feet needed
X. Adibi reading inside better than he did in previous years.
Dude, S. McManus hasn’t gotten one rep in 1-on-1. Not one until this morning. He just crushed by boy DA, not once, twice. Damn! To a point where Ieft coaches ohhhing and ahhhing. Wow, need some of that.
Dre just abuses everyone…anothe F. Bennett notch on his belt
I’m worried that all W. Smith is going to be is well paid insurance. Struggling inside.
Best thing Ive seen this morning? Slaton just hittin’ it up inside in 9-on-7. Like good ole day.
Damn, Earl Mitchell is tough as he to block. Pass rush or in zone game. Wins leverage battles. Just stay healthy
F. Okam isn’t K. Jenkins but it’s good to see C. Myers do a decent job not getting thrown by big fat guy
And Troy Nolan will wear you out in the secondary. He’s hit dudes to a point where Im watching something else and I hear him hitting fools
Love these tweets
I have heard from more than one source about Troy Nolan’s hitting. I don’t want to jinx anyone, but we need to keep this guy. If, durga forbid, Wilson goes down, that may be Nolan’s entry into the NFL and he just may step over that threshold and lay the wood down real quick and say, thank you…. I know he doesn’t have elite speed, but everyone says he doesn’t get out of position and he finishes the play. That is what the FS is supposed to do!
Wade Smith. Let’s give him the benefit of the preseason before we designate him as backup. From what I hear, he may be more “unmovable” than the other guys, so against the teams with bigger NTs, that just may come in handy.
Dre….Man!
Steve Slaton is holding up. Wasn’t that our biggest worry about him?
Adibi! for the first four weeks, he may be the man on the spot, keeping it together.
Earl Mitchell. I’m waiting for bfd’s FIRST conciliatory comment on EMFM that, “Maybe, just maybe, I was wrong….” Is there anyone with me on that?
….keep the tweets coming! I love tweets! That means you, Stephanie Stradley! Use both thumbs….
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Big Ron
Trindon Holiday is not practicing. Over on the stationarys with Glenn Martinez right now.
Tate breaks a screen from L to R across the field for 6 behind the 2nd OL.
McManis wking solo on field 2 again w/ asst. coach. Looks to be working on change of direction fitness. Had leg inj. issues coming out
Adibi & Mitchell w/ a nice stuff of Tate on inside zone.
Tate just got his 1st snap w/ the 1’s that I’ve seen. Nice run on an outside zone. (No CBs/WRs this period)
Ton of Red Zone work right now from different ydges. Mostly from 5 yd line.
Co-sign " RT @Rgraves04 Once again, Orlovsky holds onto the ball way too long. Receivers didn’t help him, but still.
20 feet from Kubiak. He isn’t entirely pleased with the pace of practice.
Diehard Chris
After catching a pass from Kollar, @ConnorBarwinCo yelled “Automatic!!”
Bernard Pollard is MURDERING the tackle dummies. SO intense.
Pollard is angry this morning. Snarling and growling, literally.
Bulman and Barwin getting chippy with each other. Lots of intensity.
Pollard bitching at Orlovsky from sidelines. Love it.
If they would turn the stupid awful music off I would be able to hear coach Kubes addressing the entire team right now.
Just trotting on the field for a position group huddle, Pollard let out a primal scream.
lmao he growling?
too…funny
Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. used to be Astros too, but not sure there a pro team anymore
Mike Kerns. Thank you very much for providing the tweets! Thank you!
Next best thing to being there….
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Pollard must have been watching Blue Mountain State a lot
Sounds like he took some rabies before practice
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Aug 3, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like this Earl Mitchell fellow
can play DT fairly well.
Assmass alone does not a NT make.
hesbeen gettin really high praise
maybe hes what Amobi was supposed to be.. either way antsy to see him play
Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. used to be Astros too, but not sure there a pro team anymore
The Texans just may have four D-Linemen all going after the QB like DEs all at the same time this season
if you know what I mean.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
You mean....
like trying to get under and around instead of through? Just checking because not to up on the difference between DE and Tackle technique.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
True, BUT
The Justin Tucks of the world are the exceptions, not the norms.
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Well
With Okoye slimming down and getting to his old weight that gives him his quickness back and Mitchell coming in in similar shape, they are motoring just like DEs. In fact, I think they could play DE. Anyways, put whatever combination out there you want, and it’s like four DEs on the field. That is what I meant.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I think Malcolm Sheppard could be a Justin Tuck-esque player for us.
Like Bulman and Smith, he can play inside and outside, adding some versatility to the rotation. I think Sheppard’s going to be very good.
He's vying to make the team...
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Couple of others
Nick Scurfield
RB Ben Tate caught a screen from Booty on the left side and cut it back right for a 30-yard gain. 1 of the highlights of 11-on-11s
Bernard Pollard doesn’t stop talking- to teammates, coaches, either side of the ball. Doesn’t matter if he’s on the field or the sidelines
Adam Clanton
Finally walking into my first day of Texans camp. Fashionably late to the party, as usual.
Big Ron
Texans LBs worry me in coverage. Don’t see any one of them that excels at it. 52 looks like the best of the bunch to me.
And another
Fight! Fight! Fight!!! B.Pollard, Winston, A.Smith w/ the takedown of 73. GOOD SH!+. It’s gettin HEATED!
adibi
Adibi should be the fastest of our linebackers he has the raw ability to beat Diles as the starting WILL, however he often misdiagnoses the play and blows gap assignments on running plays allowing cutback lanes and getting caught up in the wash. Diles knows the assignments which is why he gets the nod..
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
Adibi is slotted in at Cush's SLB spot for the first four games unless Clark can beat him out
Kubiak didn’t want to move Diles because he believes he’s on the verge of being a pro bowl caliber player…those were Kubiaks words. Not Pancake’s. I’m sure MDC loved it, but it’s all just PR sound bites.
I think Clark beats out Adibi at SLB. Adibi would be better on the weakside. I LOVED the Adibi pick and thought he had a chance to be really good. The fact is Diles beat him out last year and deserved the spot.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
yep
Adibi is finally getting this shot, but hes also finally coming into his own
Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. used to be Astros too, but not sure there a pro team anymore
Adibi was given every opportunity to beat out Diles last year
He’s getting another shot at what I think is a less than ideal position for him…depending on how Bush’s scheme plays out of course.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
true
I was kinda lookin at it from the perspective how Adibi used to be in Kubes dog house.. he has had chances tho, hes one of my faves because he has all the ability
Rockets-Texans-Dynamo-Longhorn fan.. used to be Astros too, but not sure there a pro team anymore
As much as Kubiak's coachspeak bothers me sometimes
it really wouldn’t be a good idea to say “yeah, we think Zac Diles is garbage, so we’re gonna move him around.”
Exactly
I get annoyed when people bitch about Kubiak and his “this loss is on me” speach, and try to use that as a reason to get rid of him. Sure, I get tired of hearing it, but That’s good coaching. The players love him for trying to take the heat of them. That’s why so many of them talk about how they love to play for Kubiak. He’ll call certain guys out publicly for motivational reasons, but he sees to be selective and calculating about it.
As much as I want to know every single detail about what goes on that’s just not smart for the Texans.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Diles *is* good though...
Adibi’s, at best, the 4th best linebacker on the team.
However, if he looks good in Cushing’s place, maybe he’ll see more PT next season in place of Diles.
Diles does make mistakes
And he is certainly not irreplaceable. But I don’t think he’s anywhere as bad as some guys here think.
Of course
… and I’m the loudest supporter of Diles around these parts, but I’ll be the first to admit that going into last season, I had really hoped our starters at LB would be Cushing-Ryans-Adibi.
If Adibi can supplant Diles, it’s a good thing for this team. He can rush the passer and he can cover, something our linebackers are awful at (well, Cushing’s good as a pass-rusher).
I think most of us said the same thing
after seeing TEs abuse them last year too.
"Lord, beer me strength."
not trying to cut into BRB's site visits
…but for real-time, or close to it updates, sign up for twitter and follow the guys mentioned above. Then discuss here.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
me fghtin foo.. lol jk
u should already know Pollard is involved to some capacity
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I went there this morning, so here's my review:
The Good:
Duane Brown- Looked very solid against Antonio Smith. Every running play, whether it was Smith or someone else, Brown was abusing them.
Andre Johnson- In a league of his own.
Earl Mitchell- Dude has got a serious motor. He’s pretty small, but he constantly gets penetration on run plays. On pass plays it’s the same deal, he collapses the pocket every snap.
Arian Foster- Continues to look great. Runs hard and has great vision.
Ben Tate- Had some pretty nice runs. He will fit in perfectly with our one-cut scheme.
Xavier Adibi- He read the gaps very well, picking good spots to penetrate.
Kareem Jackson- He didn’t do all that much but he wasn’t getting burned by AJ. On a comeback route right when AJ caught it, Kareem was right there. He also had some fairly good plays, but right now anything is improvement for him.
Bernard Pollard- Hitting hard and talking nonstop.
Frank Okam- Getting past his man and creating havoc on the inside most plays. He needs to do this consistently.
The Bad:
Dan Orlovsky- Looked horrific. Held on to the ball way too long and was hesitant.
Matt Schaub- Inaccurate.
Glover Quin- Continues to get burned by AJ. On a comeback route, Quin slipped and fell when AJ turned back.
Amobi Okoye- Getting some penetration, but not finding the ball. Seems like he is only getting past his man for the sake of it.
Wade Smith- I’m beginning to think this guy cannot handle guard.
Jacoby Jones- Dancing wayyyy too much on PRs. He didn’t muff one though.
The music- played Party in the USA, completely unnecessary.
Notables:
- Darryl Sharpton looked pretty good, hitting some holes hard.
- Slaton hit a hole hard and ran well, but there were no WRs.
Overall it was a fun practice to watch. Didn’t get to see Trindon or Super Mario play, but Bernard Pollard always steals the show.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
re: this AM
Duane Brown looking solid? — sign me up
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Sadly..
Duane Brown’s real problems have been against the pass rush..
Assmass alone does not a NT make.
Brown's strength has always been on running plays.
He is improving on his pass rushing technique. Playing against Dwight Freeney two times a year helps you a lot, especially when you go back and look at it on film.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Aug 2, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
mario
had an injection for a swollen hip flexor i believe. gots to take it easy, cant afford to have him miss game one
Small tidbit to add to this. Mario has never missed a game in his career!
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Seconded!
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I feel like every time I read about WR/DBs....
Andre’s torching some fool. Dude’s in mid-season form…he’s unreal.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Is this BRB's version
of making it rain greens?
by typhoon.infamous on Aug 3, 2010 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions
just bribe the IT guy's with hot-pockets or collectible star wars action figures
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
2nd that....
I really appreciate the re-posts here. Work second shift and can’t read twitter all day and work counts that as a “Social Site” and severely limits access.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Amobi Okoye and the case of the fluctuating weight
Godwin, this offseason, parrotting McClain’s "he played the year at 315" idea:
. Leading the way was right tackle Amobi Okoye, who lost 32 pounds by conditioning twice a day in Katy with his younger sister during his time off.
McClain’s blog, today (no link, obviously)
Smith, like Okoye, has slimmed down. He played at 295 last season and reported at 282.
Wait, I get it. His weight loss magically changes based on what the Texans FO tells you it was last season!
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
what do yall think about schobel coming here?
With Buffalo out of the picture, it’s believed that the Texans would be LB Aaron Schobel’s team of choice if he decides not to retire. Former Bills D-line coach Bill Kollar is in Houston, and the Texans are close to Schobel’s home in Texas.
Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo!
Which of our corners/tight ends/guards gets cut?
And I’m not talking about Fred Bennett, Derek Fine, or Adam Stenavich. If we put another defensive end on the roster, an actual contributor is going to have have to fall off.
Bulman?
Anyway, I wrote Schobel up on SBNH: http://houston.sbnation.com/2010/8/2/1601201/aaron-schobel-texans-2010-free-agent
TLDR version; Schobel is old. The Texans shy away from old free agents. Ergo, as fun as the match seems, I doubt it’s going to happen.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Aug 2, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
No way they cut Bulman.
The coaches love the guy.
I could see stashing McManis on the PS or IRing Anthony Hill… but I also wonder if the coaches would be okay with not having the usual scrub in the defensive end rotation. It’ll be hard for Kubes, Bush, and Kollar to not drag out Nading, Jamison, or Egboh in crunch time when Williams, Barwin, Smith, and Bulman are tired.
He's 33
which would go against the Texans Modus Operandi post Green. I would guess he would have to be cheap, and willing to accept whatever role the Texans needed. We know he’s not going to take over for Mario, but he would be good insurance if if the unthinkable happened….but would you really want him taking snaps away from your young pass rusher of the future in Barwin? Could he play the stongside while Smith slides inside? I don’t know enough about where Schoebel’s game is at right now to make any kind of declaration on where he would fit in Houston, but I think age would be the biggest thing holding the Texans back…although as young as the defense is an old vet wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world to have around.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Who knows where his game is at...
but last year he had a stat line of: 56 TKLs, 10 SCKs, 1 INT, 3 FFUMs, 1 TD.
"Lord, beer me strength."
He's younger than Zgonina who was 39 this time last year....
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Check that
He was 124 years old. President Taft used to rave about Zgonina’s “veteran presencissitude.”
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by bigfatdrunk on Aug 2, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
where does a five-syllable made-up word get you?
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
University of Missouri
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by bigfatdrunk on Aug 2, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
If I knew someone that went there, that would mean something to me....
Were you thinking I went there?
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
No
But MDC did.
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by bigfatdrunk on Aug 2, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rosy Colvin?
This regime has done it before. I’d love to see him signed and see what he’s got left. But, like others have mentioned, finding room would be tough.
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33 year old DE?
The only way it could happen is if they dropped Antonio Smith into a 4-man rotation with Okoye, Cody, and Mitchell at DT…..then they have Schobel at LDE, able to flip out for Barwin…….
I don’t think it happens because A) he’s 33 and B) at DE there’s Mario, Antonio, Barwin….things would definitely have to change.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I dunno
I think it would be a situation where Smith plays DE on rushing downs/base sets, then slides inside on pass downs, just like last year. With Schobel as a pass-rushing DE, for situational purposes only.
TDC, I seem to remember your great 49ers, in their heyday, gobbling up thirtysomething ends like Richard Dent and Chris Doleman. I believe they even used an aging Ricky Jackson at DE. And we’re talking about some great Niner defensive units that they helped…
Oh no doubt
but now that it’s trade-only do you A) Trade a draft pick for him? B) Potentially Stunt Connor Barwin’s growth for him if you don’t put Smith at DT which may mess up Smith?
It just seems unlikely even though the Niners did it in the 80s…..the Giants did it recently…..
"Lord, beer me strength."
Oh, I agree it’s unlikely. Then again, if it makes any sense…
Personally, spending a low round pick (or two) sounds OK to me. Buffalo already stated they’re moving on without him, so it’s not as if they’ll demand a first rounder.
And a DL-line comitee is something that all winning teams do nowadays. We can’t turn up our noses at adding pieces to the puzzle, there. We barely have a starting shift, let alone some depth.
I still think at the end of the day if Schoebel decides he wants to play he gets released
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Concur
NFL teams always try to make it seem like they have more power with this stuff. They don’t.
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by riversmccown on Aug 3, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
It's simple
IF Schoebel says he will only play for Texans and the Texans say were not giving you anything then all Schobel has to do is say well I guess I’m going to report to camp. He probably doesn’t want to do that, but he would likely never have to unless the Bills decide to be pricks.
I would PISSED if we did give anything for him in this situation….other than maybe whatever DE e have on the roster that will likely get cut to make room for him.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Poll: Favorite John McClain auto-correct of Amobi
Amici or Amino?
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?Schobel
is he strictly a DE in a 4-3…or is a good linebacker as well in a 4-3 he’s only like 250 ilbs….i know who the guy is, but just never really watched him play.,
Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo!
Judging on the fact that he wants out of Buffalo becasue the are moving from the 4-3 to the 3-4
I don’t think he is considered a good linebacker at all. He would want to be back at a 4-3 DE position.
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by distant_texans_fan on Aug 2, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Lets go back to the Kansas City pipeline?
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/01/2122088/chiefs-camp-buzz-no-practices.html
DAILY BATTLE
Johnson received his turn with the starters, but it’s likely that Williams and Mays will be back in their normal places today. The Chiefs appear more comfortable with Johnson as a situational player, entering the game when the opponent is in an obvious passing situation
.
It worked with Pollard. We do have a hole at LB early. He is still pretty young and has a good pedigree.
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Oh goodness yes please
Cushing – DeMeco – Johnson?
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5th rounder?
I say yay for anything up to that.
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Heck, I'll throw in Okam
Just to keep the UT connection going.
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I'd throw up to a 4th, maybe a 3rd....
Dude’s great in coverage (where we struggle) and could thrive down here.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I would waffle at a fourth. Definite no on a third.
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I'm just tired of seeing Dallas Clark and the like....
abuse us. Even the idea of Johnson and Diles handling the coverage so DeMeco can blitz makes it easier for me to hand the higher draft pick.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Why doesn't Pollard just spy the TE
getting off-track here, I know, also tired of Clark-abuse….
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
to take it one step further
rush the LB over Clark and put Pollard on Clark. Bing-bang-zoom, what’s Munning gonna do?
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
hit Addai/Brown in the space cleared out by the LB blitz while Pollard has turned to run with Clark
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
that guy has to TRY to pick up Cush who cushes him on the way to getting a hand in Munning's face
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Wait...
This sounds like some sort of creative blitz package designed to attack a certain offensive set….why the fuck would we EVER do something like that?
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Really?
Doesn’t seem so creative to me. It seems simple as a pick and roll in basketball.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I highly doubt it, since
he’s probably thinking about Bush’s defensive schemes.
by typhoon.infamous on Aug 3, 2010 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Believe it or not, I knew he was being sarcastic and I was just joining in
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
For the millionth time
WHY DIDN’T WE LET CUSH JAM CLARK AT THE LINE. It worked the one time they let him do it.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
by papabear on Aug 2, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
8 times out of ten, do that, but then mix it up and make them pay for Clark moving out without blocking... blitz the LB and cover him with the SS
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
I GOT THE ANSWER
we blitz pollard on the 1st play of the season, he goes low and does to manning what he did to brady.. no clark problem for the rest of the year.. genious
by ketchuppants7 on Aug 2, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
What's the projected estimate on injuries that occur within a 1 yard radius of Pollard?
I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
by The Night Owl on Aug 3, 2010 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions
What papabear said
We jammed him, in both games combined, one time. The first snap at Indy in the first game. Never again.
I know I’ve repeated that about 10 times now, but dammit.
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I would think 5th at most
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Pardon me for a moment...
while I go sacrifice a manual orgasm to the football gods.
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by MDC on Aug 3, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Throw some love to Bobby Williams!
No clue if he makes the team this year but you have to note two things.
1. He has sweet hair.
2. He played really well when I saw him Friday with no pads. Then today he made a sweet grab on a jump ball and caught a pass just before it hit the ground then rolled in for a TD.
Kubes showed him some love too
Yep
He seems to be impressing, as well, but he’s got a long way to go.
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Practice Squad
Dorin Dickerson’s making a case for the active roster. Holliday might actually force himself there to, meaning Davis is gone… but they’re not gonna carry 7 WRs.
Dickerson
wouldn’t clear waivers to make the practice squad. Someone would pick him up. Martinez or Davis is more likely to be gone, IMO.
Agree
I think a lot of people are going to be sad they lost out on Dickerson.
Either that, or I’m doing some seriously hopeful projection here.
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For a 7th rounder
even if the expectations are high, there’s no big deal if he was a “miss.” Not all 7th rounders can be homeruns like MDC’s boy ZD54!
Martinez AND Davis are gone, IMO.
Our WRs look like they’ll be AJ, K-Dub, Jacoby, DA, Dickerson, and Holliday.
Me neither, but TC reports changed my mind a little.
I had originally thought, with the way Holliday was not adjusting to the WR position and Kubiak’s obvious disdain for return specialists, that Holliday stood no chance, but after hearing the praise for him, I think it might work.
This way the team kills two birds with one stone: they don’t risk injury (or energy) to a contributor on offense and dump Davis’ asinine contract.
As far as the topic at hand (Dickerson), from the sound of it, Dickerson and Kareem are improving day by day. I think Dickerson might even see the field in vital situations by the end of the season.
Dickerson in the red zone....
Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s his early offensive package along with his special team duties.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I don't know
I heard on the radio that when Kubiak was asked how Holliday looked at WR Kubiak’s response was “not good”. I don’t have a source for that, and their might have been more to his response, but that doesn’t sound like he’s nailing down a roster spot to me.
With only six WR’s Holiday would be an injury or two away from being forced on the field as a WR at least a little. If he really is that far behind the curve it’s going to be a tough decision. I think they find a way to keep him around though.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
No matter how he performs as a receiver....
if he goes into pre-season games and lights it up then he’s in. However, he’d make it easier if he picked up the receiver role…would be dangerous in the slot with his speed if he learned how to use it.
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I just don't think that's the case
It’s a numbers thing. He’s going to have show SOMETHING as a WR IMO.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
I think it depends....
Ideally, I believe Davis and Martinez are swapped for Dickerson and Holliday. Dickerson takes the 5th WR role of Davis along with Martinez’s special teams duties while Holliday handles the returns that Davis used to. Martinez rarely saw the field as a receiver, so I think he’d be fine…while also still learning the receiver role just in case.
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Martinez rarely saw the field last year
…but we were abnormally healthy at that position last year. That likely won’t continue. I’m not saying Holiday has to be impressive at WR…just that he has to do enough to make Kubiak believe he can be serviceable in a tight spot.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Part of the problem for Holliday
is not just the WR, but also the TE and RB spots. With the battles going on there, the Texans have a bit of a glut at the skill positions. They may not have the flexibility to take on a project WR.
Agreed. That's also my concern for the addition of Schobel.
If you want Schobel, you’re going to have to cut a guy that was going to make the roster. We’re not talking Bennett, Egboh, Nading, Jamison, or Derek Fine. Those guys are already likely gone.
Zgonina
That should be the name of a cigar….but it never worked out that way, did it…………….
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Zgonia was a complete different situation
he was brought in to fill a hole in the roster/or because of injuries.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
He never should have played except during garbage time of a 28-10 Texans' victory
hence, the reference to being a good name for a cigar….. sometimes my twisted humor needs explanation.
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Curious
Chances of Holliday slipping to the PS? I’d think pretty high.
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^this
One chance to carry a returner would be if we didn’t carry a long snapper, but Kubes has been hesitant to rely on a guy who might get hurt playing his normal position and being stuck without an experienced long snapper in a game.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
With Casey and Graham looking comfortable and Hill likely going straight to IR,
… Dreessen should be the LS. He brings the least to the table as a receiver.
That doesn't change my point
Dreesen brings the least to the passing game, but is probably a better blocker than Casey or Graham at this point. Here’s a scenario; We’re driving for a TD to tie or win the game in the last minute. Balls inside the five. Dreesen is sent in because of his blocking in a two TE or goal line package. Gets his hand stepped on, broken, whatever at the bottom of the pile…but we score and need the PAT for the win. Now you have to scramble to get your back up LS in the game. LS seems simple enough, but it takes some skill to do well and you want it want it done the exact same way every time so the kicker and holder are in perfect rhythm.
For the record….I’ve never been a fan of carrying a LS because roster spots are so valuable, but I understand why so many teams do it so I’m playing devils advocate a little bit here.
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But we have James Casey!
TE, FB, FL, LS, and he led the team in popcorn sales during games. He’s unstoppable!!!!
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I still stick by the prediction
That Holliday is either practice squad or cut. Unless he has like 6 TD returns or something in the preseason.
Like I said in my most recent post
There just isn’t room in the NFL on rosters for JUST a specialist…unless you’re name is Reggie Bush.
even Bush does more for the Saints than just return kicks
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Oh! Good one Mike
I might have missed that if you didn’t point it out….not!
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
nothing wrong with poking a little Bush
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by papabear on Aug 2, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
lmao
I was going to say that!!!
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by distant_texans_fan on Aug 2, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I think/hope Hollidays speed will prove to be too much to pass on
If he can prove to significantly improve our return game with almost zero mistakes, then I believe Kubes will take a chance on him for a roster spot. I hope we do because he was one of the more “exciting” draft picks for this team and I would love to see him pan out. I have been in awe of this kid his entire college career. We arent talkin fast for a football player… we are talkin fast for a human. This kid can absolutely fly and I have already heard reports of him simply beating everyone to the outside on special teams, which is exactly what you want from a return specialist.
Can you imagine Holliday on an End Around / WR Reverse / whatever else you want to call it.
(Before you slam me, I probably could tell you the difference between the two, but I’m only on my second coffee of the day)
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by distant_texans_fan on Aug 2, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Assuming a reverse
If Holliday has the ball for the first leg of the reverse, does his speed mean that the defense has to overcommit, leaving huge space for the reverse, or does his speed mean that when the second player gets the ball all of the defenders are where they started because they haven’t had time to chase after him?
by Tailgate Andy on Aug 2, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
The play would be whistled dead...
because the ref would think Schaub took a knee when he bent down to hand the ball to Holliday.
NIce one Mike
But, if I was planning the reverse, I would run a toss or sweep with the RB and hand off to Holliday on the Reverse. So it would depend more on the Slaton/Foster/Tate height compared to Holliday’s.
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by distant_texans_fan on Aug 2, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Just did a bit of train-spotting
Texans WR’s accounted for 9 rushes in 2009, with a total of 48 yards. That isn’t a heap of attempts, but is a good yards per attempt number. Imagine how it would work with that speed!
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by distant_texans_fan on Aug 2, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Just imagine the...
Missed tackles when Holliday slips between the defenders legs.
Kerns...
You’re so vertically prejudiced
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Hmmmm
No comments on wanting a nice, glass of horse piss Curs Light horse piss?
Who woulda ever guessed?
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Beats the shit
out of Coors light.
I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.
by tehGrindCrusher on Aug 3, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
^This
Try one, your taste buds will thank you
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by oiler-texan diehard on Aug 3, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I was worried for a second...
They put Glenn Martinez on IR this afternoon and I was concerned what this would mean for our receiving corps; luckily they made a savvy move and picked up London Crawford again. We can all breathe our collective sigh of relief now.
So everyone
Except the midget stripper
by AllenOU on Aug 2, 2010 9:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Trindon's Got Me
You can’t see it in the picture, but I’m actually standing on three phone books.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Aug 3, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Tim takes those phonebooks everywhere he goes
‘specially when he needs to use the big boys urinals in the Reliant Stadium men’s room….
I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?
Holly crap that was Tim!!!
I thought that was someones kid!
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by Texans-Brocos on Aug 3, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
It was originally reported as a hamstring pull
….Seems kinda early to be stashing marginal young players on injured reserve.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
This got me thinking...
I am going to look up his FO stats for each game.
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asf
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7135113.html
Earl Campbell is the perfect combination of assmass and weightspeed. - Papabear
Per Scurfield
The Texans’ kicking competition between Kris Brown and Neil Rackers began today in front of the team. Brown: 5-of-6. Rackers: 6-of-6. Brown’s miss was close, hooked just left and maybe a bit short from 43 yards. Texans coach Gary Kubiak was impressed w/ both kickers today.
Time to add a twist
Make them have the kicking competition with Pollard heckling them at close range.
That’s about the closest thing to a “game pressure situation” that they are going to find, as far as rattling the nerves.
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Or have Pollard, Barwin, and Cush sprint toward them full speed.
If they make it, the defenders will pull up. If they miss, they get smashed. I like this idea.
by krkenney on Aug 3, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
How bout if they missed they get covered in syrup and butter and locked in the equipment shed with Pancakes
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by papabear on Aug 3, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Or tell them that if they miss
Pollard gets to lay the wood on them!
You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB
by Texans-Brocos on Aug 3, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Closed practice today
We’ll have an open thread going up at 1:30CDT.
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