Prognostibating: bfd's Take on the Texans' 2010 Season
by bigfatdrunk on Sep 13, 2010 11:24 AM CDT
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I know, some of you might be sayin', "Hey, dillwad, you can't post this after the first game!" And you're somewhat right. However, I did this before the first game last week, (I didn't want to push down better posts), I guessed the score of the Colts game as 31-24, and we could use some hangover-filler this morning. And my morning has just gotten really crazy, so here's a quick bfd-ian view of the season after the jumpity jump.
Week 1: Indianapolis Colts: Picked a win, mostly because I felt like we were due. Best case scenario was the offensive line and the large Arian Foster would thrash the smaller Colt defensive unit. Fortunately, this played out. (1-0)
Week 2: @ Washington Redskins: The 'Skins defense does scare me to a certain degree, especially considering the lack of success against ginormous NTs like Albert Haynesworth. However, it's not a contract year, so who knows which Fat Albert will actually show? Pick: Texans 31 - 10. (2-0)
Week 3: Dallas Cokeboys: Oh noes! The Redskins gameplanned to beat the Cokeboys! THAT ISN'T FAIR!@!~!@~!! Pick: Texans 24-10. (3-0)
Week 4: @ Oakland Raiders: This game scares the bejeezus out of me. As inconsistent as the Raiders play, they match up all too well against us. The loss of Brian Cushing will be most acutely felt here against Darren McFadden and a decent offensive line. Once a year, we play down to the level of our competition. Pick: Raiders 27 - 17. (3-1)
Week 5: New York Giants: I really don't have a good opinion of this year's Giants squad. Carolina is one of the worst teams in the league, and the Giants consistently struggled yesterday. They can neither run nor throw the ball consistently, and their defense is no longer a juggernaut. Pick: Texans 34-17. (4-1)
Week 6: Kansas City Chiefs: Tonight's matchup between the Chiefs and Chargers is intriguing to me. On paper, it looks like an obvious mismatch, but I think the Chiefs are going to be better, and the Chargers worse, than people think. Because we're at home, I like our chances, but I'm not counting on a cakewalk. Pick: Texans 27-24. (5-1)
Week 7: Bye
Week 8: @ Indianapolis Colts: I think the Colts will be a little angry, and I think the biggest difference between the two teams at this point is home field advantage. Pick: Colts 41-24. (5-2)
Week 9: San Diego Chargers: I simply don't think this is a good football team. They're going to struggle defensively, though they'll still put up points. I also see two former Texans in Travis Johnson and Fred Bennett playing important roles, which would scare me. Pick: Texans 45 - 21. (6-2)
Week 10: @ Jacksonville Jaguars: Why? Why oh why? Why oh why can we never beat the Jaguars? Pick: Jags 24-10. (6-3)
Week 11: @ New York Jets: The Texans, on the road, in November, in the Meadowlands. Crap. Pick: Jets 21-13. (6-4)
Week 12: Tennessee Titans: Mentally, I can see us getting plenty of revenge against teams that give us hell no matter their crappiness level. Pick: Texans 31-17. (7-4)
Week 13: @ Philadelphia Eagles: At this point, I like this matchup. The Eagles hung tough against the Pack yesterday, but this team doesn't look the same and they're already dealing with injuries. Pick: Texans 21-17. (8-4)
Week 14: Baltimore Ravens: I really, really don't like this game. The Ravens and Jets both have the defensive scheme and personnel to absolutely give us fits. Pick: Ravens 31-10. (8-5)
Week 15: @ BE-SFs: Mostly, as with the Colts, going with the home/away advantage. Pick: BE-SFs 31-28. (8-6)
Week 16: @ Denver Broncos: Even in the cold, Matt Schaub has proven he can perform (see Green Bay two years ago). And the Broncos are just a really bad team, even more poorly coached. Pick: Texans 37-13. (9-6)
Week 17: Jacksonville Jaguars: MDC and I team up to sacrifice a goat, a chicken, and a pig. We smoke them. We eat them. The Texans with a cathartic win. Pick: Texans 41-10. (10-6)
Look, when I ran through the season the first time and ended up 11-5 10-6, I was more shocked than the next person. I still have extremely very serious doubts about our defense, and Foster took just as much abuse as he doled out. We're now frighteningly thin at RB and DE, and our five CBs have a combined 48 games played. That's terrifying. But as we saw yesterday, we have improved the run game, which will only strengthen the passing game in the long run. Regardless, this will be an extraordinarily exciting team to watch this year, and yesterday was just a taste.
Edit: h/t CanadaGoose for checking my remedial math. Of course, for correcting me, you're now BANNED. Hope you enjoyed your stay while you could.
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Hey, dillwad, you can't post this after the first game!
Good stuff though.Hope your predictions turnout better than mine. I am already 0-1in my picks.Which is a good thing
right, I love me some losing, gets us wins!
Maybe it counts as a win cause Gary gave the team dominos afterwards?
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Thank you.
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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 13, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Though I think
In my pass last week, I had us beating the Raiders. So, when 11-5 matched 11-5, I went with it…instead of, you know, actually checking my work.
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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 13, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I feel a lot better
about saying this team is a 10-11 win team. The running game has already won us one game, so I am feeling good right about now.
"Lord, beer me strength."
on the foster abuse....
i know slaton has a fumbling problem, but i was calling for him by the end of the 3rd, and defiantly into the 4th quarters. it wasnt cause i wasnt enjoying the fuckstomp that foster was forcing feeding to the colts, its that i want foster to fuckstomp all 16 games, and like it was noted above, foster did take some abuse. foster fresh all year equals 11 wins, and holy smokes maybe a playoff win or two…
100 million percent agree
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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 13, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand the concern
But this was the Colts.
Against the Raiders? Absolutely give him more of a breather.
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by riversmccown on Sep 13, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
yea, i guess you let him stay in for the colts… feels good to rub it in…
comments for predictions above
- texans beat colts- no way they forgot last year + cushing
-texans do lose to colts in indy, but i think its going to be a closer game than predicted above… more like a 38-31 game
by strokin_stros on Sep 13, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
thats the jets above in first prediction… not colts…
by strokin_stros on Sep 13, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I R cited
bout this SEASON!!!!
I am tattooing a picture of Jacobi Jones to my Mannschaft, Because it loves to go deep and always does a dance in the end...zone!
Go Texans!
I'll stick to 10ish wins
Last year this is a team that was within inches of winning most of the games they lost.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I think that .....
this team showed that they can straight out beat anyone when they are on top of their game. However, the biggest problem is consistency. I think that they will win a close one against the Redskins simply because we play the turds from southern oklahoma the following week.
If they remain consistent in executing positive plays and limiting the penalties this team should have a fighting chance every game. I enjoyed my Sunday and I’m even more ecstatic today after the choke job in washington. In the end we still have 15 games to go and they are all equally important. Go Texans
Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Sep 13, 2010 12:25 PM CDT reply actions
Play Action
That is the new theme when defenses start putting 8 in the box. The more successful our running game is, the more wins we’ll have. Schaub will expose every team out there with a successful running game behind him.
Our secondary needs to get better in a big hurry.
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by H-town Fanatic on Sep 13, 2010 12:45 PM CDT reply actions
I don't think we match up well against Washington
Defensively they’re going to put ALOT of pressure on Schaub and there’s no way we’re going to run against the Redskins like we did vs the Colts. Offensively they have some recievers with big time speed man, if they can protect McNabb or move him around in the pocket for long enough, they have the speed to torch our slower secondary all day long… It doesn’t help that their coaching staff knows our offense backwards and forwards.
I would be shocked if we won the game easilly, I think we need to play well just to keep them from blowing us up out of the gates because they have the ability to put up quick points against our defense and then we’d be playing behind all night and without a run game to keep the pressure off of Schaub, i’d then just be hoping we got out of the game with our QB healthy…
That does go both ways: knowing the schemes and tendencies inside and out.
I don’t think either team will be able to surprise the other. This game will come down to execution, so hopefully the Texans put in the preparation needed – especially Schaub who didn’t appear sharp on Sunday.
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my reflections...
our front four were gettin into the giant dome hiking the ball, I hated watchin the Red Carpet Zone. Our kiddy corners did well all things considered but I do hope they step up their game in a hurry. My fantasy teams are hurting with schaub not doin well and andre only getting five looks all game. My dixie wrecked about the texans chances @ takin their asses to the playoffs! I will throw poo @ the any nfl office I am near until both players and fans stop bitchin about who is gettin my money! Arian foster damn I wish the other guys in my leagues let me have you. I love this fweling they call fuckstomping!
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Go Texans!
BTW
I forgot to add up our offensive tally to see how realistic my guesses are. I have us scoring 25.8 points/per game in 2010. In 2009, it was 24.3, and in 2008 it was 22.4. If you remove the 34 against the Colts, it’s 25.3 the rest of the way. I feel like these are realistic numbers which would reflect better balance between the run and pass offense.
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Nice try, Writer...
What I think a lot of prognobstigators are under estimating is this TEAM. The are not giving credit where credit is due. Where is that? The TEAM.
This Texans team now knows how to win. They have cohesiveness. They have the killer instinct. They will win in whatever way it takes. Do not forget that.
They will make a mockery of your weak prognobstigations.
I dub the Colts....Unforgiven!
by Rip Jersey on Sep 13, 2010 1:00 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Oh no!
I would hate to be wrong in that case. Totally. Totally totally.
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Did you just use extremely dry sarcasm on Rip?
Well played.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Just make sure to mock it with dry sarcasm.
Otherwise, I will worry that you have been tied up in your home (Dunta-style) and someone has hacked your account.
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by Shake on Sep 13, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay, it wasn't that funny....
besides, who’s going to decipher my super-secret password that goes with my Rip Jersey username?
I dub the Colts....Unforgiven!
Earl Mutha Fuckin Campbell?
I am Sancho
by HoustonTransplant on Sep 14, 2010 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I severely hope we are all underestimating this team
Nothing would make me happier.
"Lord, beer me strength."
btw
I will use this post to completely and totally revoke my pre-season projection that the Juggernaut goes 6-10. That was all predicated on a heartbreaking Week 1 loss. Since Arian Foster never gave PeyPey a chance to come back… I totally see a 10-6 season now. Easily.
You can't revoke your prediction after the season has started. It says so in the rule book.
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What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU
by TexansForever on Sep 13, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
We beat the Colts in week 8.
Every team in the league that plays the Colts this year is now going to have a fullback and assault the Colts D all night long.
The end result is that by the time we play them again, they only have 3 defensive starters still showing up for games. The rest will be in physical therapy.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU
This should not have made me laugh
but it did
I am Sancho
by HoustonTransplant on Sep 14, 2010 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Toughness
What we had yesterday was physical aggressiveness and a huuuuge win. Hopefully, this little seed will grow into a big tree of mental toughness. The next two weeks will be telling. The Skins have a good D and are physical (and they have that bad fatman we all worry about) The Cowgirls will be very revenge minded and they do have talent, if not a clue or a coach.
I personally loved that Rick kept Arian in the game. Yes, it was a risk that maybe he didn’t need to take and Arian was clearly dead tired. But he now has a great mark of 231 yards and 3 TDs. Even if he is useless next week, I’m sure he’ll look back and say it was worth it.
I am incredibly excited to see our O-line play like asskickers. That was the total highlight of the game to me. Brutalizing the Skins next week would be delicious.
It is worrisome, however, how we kept giving Clark a free release and how our secondary was torched. It wasn’t just Krispy Kareem that left singed.
I'm less worried
Clark’s free release has been discussed. That’s just what Frank Bush does to cover him.
As for the secondary getting torched, the zone just got picked apart. The passes were completed along the seams, at the edge of the safety zone, and between the backers. That needs to be tightened up and better communication needs to happen between the DBs….but it’s not as if they couldn’t keep up with the WRs. Frank needs to let the CBs bump at the line….and they need to work more cohesively as a group.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Congrats on the win.
Didn’t watch the game, so all I have to go by is the stat line. How did Schaub look?
meh
of course we only let him throw the ball 5 times in the 2nd half because we where pounding the rock so hard.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
If someone had said that before the game (5 Schaub passes in the 2nd half)
I would’ve said: “Freeney must’ve eviscerated him.”
"Lord, beer me strength."
Right. It's not so much the gross totals that I was looking at.
Look here. I was looking at rating, completion %, ypa, and int %. Generally, there’s a positive coorelation with QB efficiency and a dominant run game. Again, I didn’t see the game, so I’m curious if there’s something that happened in the game that would cause these stats to be misleading.
Our first drive in the 2nd half we ran the ball
10 straight times and scored. We just didn’t need to throw at all after that.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Schaubby complained at halftime of soreness in his hand-off pinky
So, let’s not underestimate his contribution to that drive!
I dub the Colts....Unforgiven!
Right. But, if you're running the ball effectively, shouldn't the passing plays (even in limited amounts) be effective?
I’m not baiting you, and these aren’t loaded questions. It’s for selfish fantasy reasons…
I get where you're coming from.
I just think that the Texans passing style requires getting into a bit of a rhythm, which never really happened with the 5-15 consecutive running plays (slight exaggeration) between each passing attempt.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
I will follow up my answer with a bfdish, analytical, no-fun, answer.....
The question is regarding fantasy concerns about the Texans passing stats. They will fall off. Because of the success of the running attack and Kubiak’s preference to maintain that success, you can expect the passing attempts and therefore TDs and yards to go down. I know that answer contains no stats, just logic and bfd would have provided numbers of attempts over the last three seasons along with TD totals and yardage, I simply can’t be bothered. Just believe me.
I dub the Colts....Unforgiven!
by Rip Jersey on Sep 13, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
That's the best answer I've ever seen.
Ever.
Well done.
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I'm going to shift gears here.
Do ya’ll run a man or zone blocking scheme? Was your success a result of generally running trap and dive plays that engage the undersized defensive line of the Colt’s early and often?
usually zbs
but I believe we are mixing in more man.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Yeah. I would have guessed zone blocking just because of the ties to Shanahan, and with the Godfather of ZB on the staff last year (Alex Gibbs).
Wasn’t that the staple of the running game the past few years?
It makes you wonder if the power/man blocking attack completely caught the Colts off guard.
Mixed
I saw elements of both. they seem to be driving blocks man-style more, but there still is an effort to get to the second level. To me, it looked like a ZBS done with more aggression and harder drive blocks.
They would be
but when they can’t stop you from marching down the field every time just with run plays, we really wanted to run out the clock and to avoid any potential turnovers against that Colts secondary. We did have a few key completions I believe that extended drives, but nothing crazy.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I understand about running out the clock
I would like to add that simply running out the clock might not have won the game for the Texans. Finishing those drives with a couple scores and then following it up by making the Colts in turn burn up the clock to get down the field contributed to making it a total effort. I really enjoyed watching that 2nd half and how they did that. I could see the hurt and frustration on Manning’s face. I had to listen to the 1st half on the radio, but I imagine he was showing it then, also.
I dub the Colts....Unforgiven!
I said 35-23 texans
And I though I was out of my mind.
They really won 34-17 IMO
by AllenOU on Sep 13, 2010 1:26 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
AllenOU
Seeing how you went to OU, I can see your logic on what the final score really was. Is is true that OU has a four game winning streak over UT?
I dub the Colts....Unforgiven!
by Rip Jersey on Sep 13, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice
The true story of this game is how Peyton is the best player on this team by far, and without him the Colts are easily the worst team in the AFC South.
You have to throw Freeney, Mathis, and Wayne up here, but I think this is true. If anything happens to Manning, this is a 3-13 quality team.
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Its all on their O line and D line
No one is going to produce behind that o-line not named manning, and without manning putting up points that d line would be abused game in and game out.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Big ups.......
to the S&C coach. The Texans looked very strong and over powering. I think you will see that trend all year long no matter who we play. They know what the results will be when they do what they did. Power Cleans and Dead Lifts Boys
I cant say enough about Arian " The Future" Foster His vision is dead on. Cant wait to see what he can do against a 3-4 Defense.
Big ups to V. Leach.
12-4 We kick the shit out of teams we are supposed to and beat teams we not supposed to.
Remember……..We are all growed up now! All our youngins have that man strength now!
My attitude is like a virgin......I dont give a fuck!
good point
They were strong to the finish. They overpowered the Colts in the trenches, especially in the key 3rd and 4th quarters. Props to the new S&C coach! They did the same thing to the larger Cowturds lines in the preseason game. I think the excuse that they were playing vanilla is really looking like a crutch for them, now.
I dub the Colts....Unforgiven!
Good point on vision
That realy stood out to me. That, and his powerfully decisive cuts.
so do I get cake or cookies
for sayin bob “the glass goblet” sanders would be a mon factor due to injury in the first three quarters?
I am tattooing a picture of Jacobi Jones to my Mannschaft, Because it loves to go deep and always does a dance in the end...zone!
Go Texans!
by Taco Joe on Sep 13, 2010 1:48 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
ehhh
It’s a little soon to get super high on this team… I only say this out of the numerous times I had my stomach pumped from taking bleach shots last year. of course I hope we show up in every game like we did this one, but this is a team I have seen play like idiots too many times to blindly believe in. I’ve learned my lesson about that and now I just watch them week to week and pray I don’t dissolve my liver
It's hard bein whimpy
by WhimpyJimmy on Sep 13, 2010 1:54 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Stay Whimpy Jimmy
Grow a set and become gorilla strong!
My attitude is like a virgin......I dont give a fuck!
Exactly
We don’t always beat the teams we should, and we rarely win the big games. Say what you want about yesterday, but I think it was a matter of beating a team we should more than winning a big game. Once we beat the Raiders in Oakland, unlike 2008, and we beat the Colts at Big Oil Oil Field or whatever, then I feel more confidence. Until then, they need to justify their potential week in/week out.
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is this our fifth win in a row too??
we won 4 straight to end the season last year right?
It's hard bein whimpy
by WhimpyJimmy on Sep 13, 2010 2:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Good one WJ
I do believe, the Texans have the biggest win streak going in the whole NFL right now
I dub the Colts....Unforgiven!
What about da saints?
What is their record including the playoffs?
Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Sep 13, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Where's the pessimism?
I know that it was a great opener but as much as I give the team credit, im still sticking with a 9-7 record.
Maybe a winning streak will change my mind, who knows.
Anyways, great write up. I definitely need a shot of positivity today. Mondays. UGH.
"Fuck you motherfucker!"
-Bernard Pollard-
16-0
Vonta is going to kill someone this season.
More realistically, I think I agree with all the games except for the Raiders. They played like garbage yesterday – if you make Vince Young look like a good QB, you’re not a good team. If this is the year the Texans can beat the Colts, this is the year we don’t play down to another team’s level. Also the Raiders are just plain bad.
Raiders were 7th in the NFL against the pass last year.
Sure, the stats need to be adjusted for the opponent, but Vince Young also has the highest quarterback rating in the NFL right now. Give credit where it’s due.
re: credit where it's due
I’m pretty sure he did. To the Raiders playing like garbage.
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Reference?
The Raiders gave up 7 yards per pass attempt in 2009 (26th in the NFL).
They certainly have Scrabble, but their total pass defense is not above average by any means.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Link.
Here. It’s using gross totals, which I don’t like much. And, my point here isn’t necessarily to anoint the Oakland secondary as anything other than average. But, even against an average secondary, a quarterback rating of 142 is pretty f’n impressive, regardless of your opinion of Vince Young.
As a baseline, here’s a recap of ya’ll’s matchup last year. Oakland’s defensive nucleus hasn’t changed much.
Schaub’s statline: 11/22 – 224 yards 1 TD 1 INT
No
Your statement was this:
The Raiders have a better pass defense than the Colts.
Which you now want to prove using either yardage totals (statistically invalid) or a 2-game sample size between Vince & Schaub.
Vince certainly did have a good game yesterday, but not against a great NFL passing defense that played well.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Wrong.
My original statement was:
Sure, the stats need to be adjusted for the opponent, but Vince Young also has the highest quarterback rating in the NFL right now. Give credit where it’s due.
Then, based on your response, I had to qualify that the Raider’s were “average”.
This is clearly digressing. And, you’re response above was all I was asking for. Thanks.
OK?
But you said the Raiders were 7th against the pass last year.
I find that difficult to believe since they were literally 7th worst in the passing yards/attempt that they gave up.
My point is that you made a statement with no reference to back it up, and then said “Oh, but it’s based on total yards.” Which we all know is an awesome way to compare defenses. Because teams were always passing like crazy in 2009 to catch up on the scoreboard with the fuggin’ Raiders.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Look.
Vince certainly did have a good game yesterday, but not against a great NFL passing defense that played well.
We agree about both these statements.
Dead horses get beat
And bitches get kicked.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
And all we're saying is that
it was against the raiders.
What’s so hard to understand about that?
"Fuck you motherfucker!"
-Bernard Pollard-
Hey August West thinks he is a top 10 QB!
/shakes head
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
He was a borderline top 10 QB statistically last year once he took over as the starter.
I don’t think that statement is a stretch.
Again....Reference?
Look, I’ve been a season ticket holder for the Longhorns for nearly a decade. And I grew up as a kid watching them suck ass in the 80’s & 90’s. So I absolutely love what Vince did at UT and for helping to bring home a NC.
But that doesn’t bias or distort my view of him as a QB in the NFL.
He was a borderline top 10 QB statistically last year once he took over as the starter.
He had a QB Rating of 82.8, good for 18th in the NFL.
He had a completion rate of 58.7%, good for 22nd in the NFL.
If you like FO as a better measuring stick, he was 18th in DYAR and 14th in DVOA.
Hell, the only single stat I can find that he is close to “TOP 10!!!!~!!” is Net Yards per Attempt, where he was 11th in the NFL.
Summary: Is it possible for VY to turn the corner (get over the hump, have the light bulb come one, or your phrase of choice) and become a top-10 QB in the NFL. Of course. Anything is possible. But you are continuing to fail at providing any evidence that your “statistical claims” are valid.
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Weird
You called him a top 10 QB. Not a top 10 rusher.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
When you're a dual threat, there isn't a distinction.
Are you suggesting we shouldn’t include his rushing stats?
Also.
Check out this link. ESPN just started releasing splits this year, which is awesome if you haven’t checked them out already. Basically, there’s two things you’re missing.
1. His rating is bumped four points when you remove the garbage time against the Patriots when he was a backup. Hence the qualifier (as a starter) in the statement above.
2. His rating gets another 4 point bump from rushing TDs (2). I’ve also included his two fumbles lost in that calculation.
Now we’re at around 90. As I said above, “borderline” top 10. That’s at around 12. I’d also add that he was the most efficient QB in the redzone in the NFL last year (check the splits). When you put all that together, I’m looking at the glass half full as a Titans fan and am cautiously anticipating a progression this year.
Sorry, but that's reaching to make a point
You can’t simply take out the INT he threw against NE. He still made a shitty read & throw as a QB on that play. (That said, it does apply to this specific situation where you qualified his stats “as a starter”.)
And you certainly can’t add rushing TDs to the QB rating formula. Ever. (Look mom, I added extra TDs that hyperinflate the outcome of an equation. And I did it without having to add any passing attempts or potential INTs. Yay me!)
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Re:
And you certainly can’t add rushing TDs to the QB rating formula. Ever. (Look mom, I added extra TDs that hyperinflate the outcome of an equation. And I did it without having to add any passing attempts or potential INTs. Yay me!)
It’s at least worth pointing out that including rushing statistics doesn’t hyperinflate stats for most QBs. Certainly doesn’t for Schaub. It does for Vince because that’s clearly a part of his game. If you have another metric you’d prefer to use, I’m all ears. But, I did include fumbles as interceptions. It’s not apples to apples, but it’s as close as I think we’re going to get.
As a self admitted UT fan, I don’t have to explain to you that rushing is a big part of Vince’s game. We’re not getting an accurate comparison if that’s not included. If you have some other metrics you’d like to use, I’m all ears.
It’s at least worth pointing out that including rushing statistics doesn’t hyperinflate stats for most QBs. Certainly doesn’t for Schaub.
Yeah…Schaub didn’t really need any stats inflation in 2009. And in 2008, he also had 2 rushing TDs.
But I really do get your point regarding “there is not metric that currently provides this sort of passing/rushing stats combination”. And I agree. Actually, I would love to see FO or someone else come up with something meaningful….not for the NFL really, but this would be fan-fucking-tastic for comparing QBs in CFB. (disregarding the strength of schedule, as with every other CFB metric)
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
I think he is a perfect fit for the Titans offense with CJ
but you take away CJ and I think Vince starts playing a lot worse, mostly because defenses won’t be keying in so hard on the run game. He hasn’t proven himself a top 10 qb yet.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I'm a Seahawks fan and a member of Field Gulls
and I, along with many others over at FG, have seen the Texans and BRB as respectable organizations that are worth following, and I just wanted to say what a great win you had over the Colts. As a Seahawks (and, well, Seattle sports in general) fan, it’s always nice to see a team get over the hump like that. Keep it up, because the Texans are my AFC team to follow for sure. Cheers.
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by PRIDEin253 on Sep 13, 2010 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Thanks Pride
And please give Whiskey Chainsaw our best regards.
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thanks!
and congrats to you as well… you guys already have more wins than a lot of you were predicting!
It's hard bein whimpy
by WhimpyJimmy on Sep 13, 2010 4:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
VYgina fan girls are here.
Feels like football again man.
"Fuck you motherfucker!"
-Bernard Pollard-
I don't even understand why you're here, in this thread
much less in this TEXANS blog defending your butt buddy.
"Fuck you motherfucker!"
-Bernard Pollard-
Now, Now....
play nice Jordann.
That’s it, both of you, go to your rooms!
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Man.
Im not even close to blowing up. Im too lazy to do that lol
"Fuck you motherfucker!"
-Bernard Pollard-
Don't know why, but for whatever reason your diction reminds me of that guy from Dazed and Confused.
“I only came here for two things. To drink some beer, and to kick some ass. We’re almost out of beer.”
sooooo
you’re the nerdy loser who gets beat up?
It's hard bein whimpy
by WhimpyJimmy on Sep 13, 2010 10:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Originally he was only trying to get fantasy info on Schaub
then it turned into a VY thing (which, is a hard subject here).
Granted, regardless of the Raiders crappyness, you got to give Tennessee credit. CJ had another big run, VY played well. Bad teams may be bad, but you have to execute to win.
Is VY a top-10 QB? Not to me…he’s got to be consistent, he’s got to prove it throughout the entire season, and he’s got to erase memories of his benching. Could he be? Check back in the spring.
"Lord, beer me strength."
TWSS
is a hard subject here
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
i know it's off topic, but......
my wife made me laugh while we were at the game by yelling “welcome to Foster’s dojo!” at colts fans after his 2nd TD.
she likes the way he does his little martial arts “bow” after each TD.
considering she traditionally does not like football, she was REAL excited during the game! ( I think we have a new Texans fan here)
"No matter where you go....There you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
by buckaroo_banzai on Sep 13, 2010 7:58 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
thanks!!!!
now i have her blessing to blow off the inlaws every sunday to watch the game with her
LIFE IS GOOD!!!!…….BLESS DURGA!!!!!
"No matter where you go....There you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
by buckaroo_banzai on Sep 13, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
You and your wife get a rec'd!
Or you get a rec’d for your wife?
See what I did there?
"Fuck you motherfucker!"
-Bernard Pollard-
by Jordann on Sep 14, 2010 5:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yep yep
"No matter where you go....There you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
by buckaroo_banzai on Sep 14, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
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