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At least Matt can keep his shirt on in a room full of dudes.

by Toolshed1 on Sep 6, 2010 8:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Eew.

"The essence of being human is that one does not seek perfection."-George Orwell

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by KMR24 on Sep 6, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

F**k

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by distant_texans_fan on Sep 6, 2010 8:49 AM CDT reply actions  

at first I was like, whatever, maybe he is better than DanO

But then I realized this has to mean that unless we are cutting DanO – which doesn’t seem likely – we are now going to be carrying 3 QBs. So is this where the last roster spot is going towards?

by killtacular on Sep 6, 2010 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

oh, and totally off-topic

But anyone else notice that both Travis Johnson and Fred Bennett are on the Charger’s final 53 (at least for now)?

by killtacular on Sep 6, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

times have changed

used to, nobody wanted our castoffs. In this case we got some return on one of the guys, and the other guy couldn’t make it on a roster even without the greatest cornerback in franchise history anyone older than age 25 as competition.

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by texanphil on Sep 6, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Bennett has a chance over there

San Diego always did a pretty good job of jamming receivers at the line; something that Bennett aught to be well-suited for. Methinks it’s how they befuddled Peyton Manning a couple times in the playoffs.

I always wondered why we drafted 6’0", 200-lb. CBs three years in a row, then tried to make them play finesse coverage.

by Nashmeister on Sep 6, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sigh

No kidding, man. No kidding.

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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 6, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

man

here I was, all kinda happy that for once, somebody was taking our castoffs instead of us taking other peoples. WE’RE A BIG BOY TEAM NOW.

And then you brought me back down to earth. Such is being a Texans fan, I suppose.

by killtacular on Sep 7, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like it.

Of course it doesn’t really matter since QB3 is exempted on gameday. It’s almost like a free roster spot.

by riversmccown on Sep 6, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

its free in the active gameday roster sense

so you can bring 45+ your 3rd QB, but not in the 53-man sense, right? Although, I guess that might be where we can use that last PS position (for whoever eventually gets cut from the 53-man roster).

by killtacular on Sep 6, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

DiehardChris said it best

This is about Kubiak’s ego. He probably thinks he can fix Leinart a la “My Fair Lady.” Instead of sucking champagne off a dude’s crouch (not that there’s anything wrong with that), he’ll be sipping Earl Grey with Houston’s glitterati. Or something. I don’t freaking know.

Leinart is still deeply buried as the third QB for now, and I seriously doubt he’ll ever learn the playbook.

With a h/t to Rivers: If Schaub is hurt, we are screwed.

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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 6, 2010 8:54 AM CDT reply actions  

I do feel a bit more secure at Backup QB with Leinart there. The best we can hope for is never seeing either take the field all year.

"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas

by Troy J. on Sep 6, 2010 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just like he can fix Dan'O

Hows that going?

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by distant_texans_fan on Sep 6, 2010 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

What BFD/DHC said

Kubes is like a high school cheerleader when it comes to dating signing broken QBs. No matter how shitty he treated his last girlfriend team, you think that your the person who can “fix” him.

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Sep 6, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

sounds like shake could use some fixin'....

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Sep 6, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

The only guaranteed money in Leinhart's contract...

…should be $1,000 for every second he can do a kegstand.

by Nicho157 on Sep 6, 2010 8:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Sometimes

I <3 you.

PS: I need a new graph for my avatar.

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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 6, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, now that everyone agrees that Andre Johnson is the best WR you sure do.

Co-signed

R Wayne & L Fitzgerald

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by distant_texans_fan on Sep 6, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ya I know. Been thinking about 2010 topics for graphs...or perhaps an exciting plunge into the world of Venn Diagrams!

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU

by TexansForever on Sep 6, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

yea ala Ryan Leaf and Tim Couch and Adam PacMan Jones

Not every athlete is worth saving. Especially an immature QB with a weak arm and bad decision making.

by Coleman Price on Sep 6, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

No more making fun of us for having VY,

You’ve got the next worst thing!! Hahahaha

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by Aditya T (smashville) on Sep 6, 2010 9:09 AM CDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

I mean, LOOK AT THIS!

Even these guys are scoring off us!

I’m going to go eat a gallon of ice cream and cry.

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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 6, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

this

nobody here will scream for him to start if Schaub has a few down games.

And he may quit on the team, but I’m sure we can find someone else to carry the clipboard.

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by texanphil on Sep 6, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is true.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

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by Cassieper on Sep 6, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol rivers

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU

by TexansForever on Sep 6, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

*sniff*

Can I have a hug?

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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 6, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

What kind of ice cream?

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

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by Cassieper on Sep 6, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Boring.

Go with chocolate chip. Then put some chocolate syrup on it.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

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by Cassieper on Sep 6, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

That answer

was a tribute to cowboy fans.

It’s their favorite word in the dictionary. Vanilla.

by Jordann on Sep 6, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was not aware of this.

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by Cassieper on Sep 6, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah it something that came up

during the pre-season game. It’s like every sentence they would use the word "vanilla’ to describe their offense.

by Jordann on Sep 6, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

and defense

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Sep 6, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

VY better than Mattilda

Ok, having VY is also better than having herpes.

by Farmer Fran on Sep 6, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

If this is bringing out the VY stuff

Man, I can only imagine what’s going to happen when we actually play the BESF’s in November…given that VY is still the starter and not off selling sausage in the parking lot after he gets butthurt when the fans boo him again.

by Mike Kerns on Sep 6, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yea we still get to make fun

Reason you still have upper hand in bad decisions is cause yall still think VY is the answer to the future.

by Coleman Price on Sep 6, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

on the positive side

At least our backup QB will think we’re better than every team we play… even on weeks we lose.

Though Kubes needs to introduce him to the media as “Vince”

by grungedave on Sep 6, 2010 9:11 AM CDT reply actions  

On a serious note

DanO just wasn’t cutting it. Schaub was very unhappy with the fold on his towels. Perhaps with Leinart’s lefthanded technique, all will be good again….

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Sep 6, 2010 9:26 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

week 15 conversation.

matt: alright matty boy…. run trips left mother goose waggle waggle on three!
schaubby: WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?
matt: it’s cool baby… just run it.

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by chrisd21 on Sep 6, 2010 9:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Doubt it

Remember, even Sexy Rexy looked fantastical against the 3’s & 4’s in the preseason.

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Sep 6, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

The sex cannon has a solid backup rill

You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB

by Texans-Brocos on Sep 6, 2010 9:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Roll()

You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB

by Texans-Brocos on Sep 6, 2010 9:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

iPhone suckage

And I would like to have him back as the backup here.

You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB

by Texans-Brocos on Sep 6, 2010 9:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I hear Jeff George is still out there looking for a job

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by Troy J. on Sep 6, 2010 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Hey, Guys

I just had the weirdest dream. In my dream, our beloved Texans signed Matt Fricking Leinart despite all evidence indicating that he can’t play QB in the NFL. Makes no sense, right? I’m pretty sure it was just the unfortunate result of four hours spent sniffing ammonia.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Sep 6, 2010 9:53 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

That's pretty early in the morning to be cooking crack....

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Sep 6, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aside from Matt Schaub and Sage Rosenfels (to a much lesser extent)

anyone we’ve paid to play QB can’t play QB.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Sep 6, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think David Carr just shed a tear reading that.

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by Troy J. on Sep 6, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about the Chris Brown corollary?

Where we pay someone to play RB but he wants to play QB?

by grungedave on Sep 6, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think there is a real opportunity here

This guy could potentially Out-Rosencopter even the Great Sage Rosenfels. I mean, who knows what terrible follies this guy is capable of? Solid comedic depth right there. We just needed to give him a platform from which to suck.

by WhiskeyR on Sep 6, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions  

If Schaub goes down

Whoever has Leinart in the JWML might be sitting on some gold

I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.

by The Night Owl on Sep 6, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

well I hope who ever is sitting on the gold

wipes when they’re thru.

I can't listen to that much Wagner. I start getting the urge to conquer Poland.

by Farmer Fran on Sep 6, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

7 Rec's. No replies.

Oh wait. Shit. 1 reply.

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by LoneSpot on Sep 7, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

no one replied yet

because he put it so eloquently, none was needed

I am Sancho

by HoustonTransplant on Sep 8, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

So...

if Leinart loses the backup spot in the greatest position battle ever, is he still the better qb?

by BigTexBD on Sep 6, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

I think you know the answer to that one

He’ll probably hold a pressie just to let you know…

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Sep 6, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

With a Smirnoff Ice in hand no doubt

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by Troy J. on Sep 6, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Attempt to point out positives

He was a top ten pick, and has all the tangibles and talent to play in the NFL.

Guy is still young, and maybe being further away from cali will help him

He is a better fit for our system than the semi spread in zona.

He would be protected on the blind side by Winston, whom is are best lineman IMO

There are SOME positives, and he never stepped out of the back of the end zone for a safety, or led is team to 0-16

by AllenOU on Sep 6, 2010 10:28 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Well

Leinart: 70.8 QB Rating, 14 TDs to 20 INTs.

Orlovsky: 71.3 QB Rating, 8 TDs to 8 INTs.

The offensive lines Leinart has played behind are far, far superiour to those Orlovsky did. On the field of battle, at least, Orlovsky has the edge.

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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 6, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Debatable.

I know the Lions had an absymal team as a whole, but the Cardinals offensive line has been horrendous for many, many, years.

by riversmccown on Sep 6, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just trying to be positive

The guy has the talent. Kubiak IMO is 2 for three on QBs with the texans. Rosenfels and schaub both got better, and dan o hasn’t been worse, just hasn’t progressed like some people, not anyone here, thought.

I feel alot more comfortable now having him over dan o. He could get some mop up duty after we are up on the colts 31-10

by AllenOU on Sep 6, 2010 10:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Shitty line..

But Calvin Johnson ain’t no slouch, and the running games probably weren’t much different.

by Nashmeister on Sep 6, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone is calling him a checkdown charlie

So we can bring in some more tight ends right? Positive + 1

by BrownCrayon on Sep 6, 2010 9:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe it's just my arrogant outsider perspective.

But Leinart at USC did have one thing that Dan O didn’t on Offense to make himself look good. His name is Reggae Boosh. In other words, Leinart would not have been successful at SC without our favorite draft bust. If Dan O had a good RB in the backfield, and made a sub-big-time college throw once a game, he would of been the one drafted in the first round. Oh well, until either of the two step on the field (hopefully in like 11 years or so when teh Shaub retires, or hopefully way later.) we’ll know how our backups were. Remember even Steve Young was a backup qb once (bad reference, i know.)

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by BabyBeezy03 on Sep 6, 2010 10:46 AM CDT reply actions  

I can't agree with this

Matt was a big time recruit and even without bush and white he was a stud in college. You don’t win a Heisman throwing check downs to your RB. Dan o was no where near the recruit or prospect leinart was.

But you make a good point about playmakers, and dan o doesn’t ever get to throw to andre or OD.

Leinart > orlovsky, and it’s not close IMO.

I hope for our sake I’m completely right about this as well.

But BFD throwing the career stats out there really hurts my case

by AllenOU on Sep 6, 2010 10:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Frankly I am just glad our two backups have had in game experience now.

I mean, it could be worse, we could have two rookies that just look at the playbook and say “I’m 12 and I don’t even know what this is.” (props to whoever gets the reference)

"Do you ever feel more like you do now then when you got there?"

by BabyBeezy03 on Sep 6, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm waiting to hear what Kubiak has to say about it all

Is Leinart coming in to compete for the QB2 spot? I want to know what the expectations are. Leinart would have to buy-in otherwise he wouldn’t sign the contract.

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Sep 6, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, man

Also, I just watched the 2006 Rose Bowl for the eleventy billionth time the other night, and I remember thinking the entire game: I cannot believe people think Leinart is a 1st round pick. I thought the same about Bust, too. I felt like they were completely system players.

So, when you consider I’ve long been biased against them, I’m not exactly taking a neutral line.

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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 6, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

How many beers have you killed just rewatching that game, I wonder?

And, do you hoot and holler at the same plays every time? God, that must be special!

I suppose if all of the stars, moons and planets align it could be possible, but what are the chances of that?

by Rip Jersey on Sep 6, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I plead the 5th

Answer to your first question: Is kajillion a number?

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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 6, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

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by Cassieper on Sep 6, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm

Then I guess it was a lot of beer.

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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 6, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here is a very important question

Did you see Reggae Boosh throw the illegal forward pass near the end of the game?

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by distant_texans_fan on Sep 6, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Houston just signed Leinart

for the fans could make fun of him for the 06 Rose Bowl.

"Call me Snake"

by KSJ49 on Sep 6, 2010 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

And for all of these comments...

Pro Bowl MVP Matt Schaub is still the starting QB, but that’s okay that his name hasn’t been mentioned…he’ll begin reminding people in less than a week.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Sep 6, 2010 11:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Is that before or after he gets passed up for a pro bowl again?

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by Troy J. on Sep 6, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

VY is a two time pro bowler

I’ve long since forgotten about using that as a measuring stick

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by texanphil on Sep 6, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

He lost me on slide # 2 when he said...

“Manning has arguably the best receiving corps in the league with Steve Smith, Mario Manningham, and Hakeem Nicks highlighting the position”

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by TexansForever on Sep 6, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

SAT Time!!!

BleacherReport:Sports News::Matt Leinart:HOF

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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 6, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bleacher Report sucks in general.

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by Cassieper on Sep 6, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

You lost me

when I saw the link and it said “bleacherreport.com”

by Jordann on Sep 6, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's nice that we can all agree

that Bleacher Report sucks.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I just passed 60,000 total comments this week. It takes a special skill to be one of the most obsessive fans on a sports blog for obsessive fans.

by Cassieper on Sep 6, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Vega

would disagree with you.

by Jordann on Sep 6, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

He quit it already

I think he lasted like three months.

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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 6, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like im ever going to

let him forget about that mistake.

by Jordann on Sep 6, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

TEXANS GOT THE STEAL OF THE YEAR

LEINERT WILL EVENTUALLY LEAD TEXANS TO A SUPERBOWL. GOT A RAW DEAL IN ARIZONA. TEXANS JUST GOT THEIR SUPERBOWL QB. TAKE THAT TO THE BANK.

by mentalmagic on Sep 6, 2010 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Anyone see a guy come through here in a card jersey withan afro and bermud shorts on screaming crazy shit? A patient ecaped earlier and we think he might have headed his way.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU

by TexansForever on Sep 6, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And what do you base this on?

Leinart can’t even sniff Schaub’s jock, much less hold it.

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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 6, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

In his defense

If you did all the drugs he did, you wouldn’t be able to sniff anymore either.

by riversmccown on Sep 6, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cogent, Thorough, Insightful

I’m sold.

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by MDC on Sep 7, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

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