A Look At Rick Smith's Drafts As General Manager Of The Houston Texans
As the 2010 season of your Houston Texans circled the drain, fans repeatedly voiced their opinions on the merits of Gary Kubiak returning as head coach of the Houston Texans for a sixth year. Although he's been general manager of the Texans since June 5, 2006 and thus in charge almost as long as Kubiak, Rick Smith, to a large degree, avoided the pitchforks and torches that people took up against or in favor of the embattled head coach. Notable exception: Back when it looked like Kubes was a goner, Jake wrote a great piece that questioned why it would make any sense to bring Rick Smith back if Kubiak was jettisoned. Now that it's official that Smithiak will return next season, I figure it's a good time to examine exactly what personnel moves have occurred on Rick Smith's watch.
Courtesy of the team's official website, you can easily find a list of all the transactions made by your Houston Texans. Select the year you want to examine, and then have at it. Quite the frightening trip down memory lane, isn't it?
In this post, I want to focus on the acquisitions made by your Houston Texans via draft during the Smithiak Era. Not to minimize what they've done outside of the draft, but we've long heard about how the team wants to build itself through the draft, so I'm going to keep my attention there at the outset. I plan on doing a later post on the non-draft moves made by the Texans during the Smithiak Era, as any analysis of Smith should include non-drafted players and other personnel decisions; in Smith's case, it most definitely should include street free agent pickups, as he's been noticeably stout there.
Before we get into this, let's make sure we straighten out a common misconception: Rick Smith had absolutely nothing to do with the Texans' excellent 2006 draft. He was not employed by the Texans before or during the 2006 NFL Draft; Smith did not become a Texans employee until a little more than a month after the draft, when he was named GM. Consequently, Smith doesn't get credit for selecting Mario Williams, DeMeco Ryans, Charles Spencer, Eric Winston, Owen Daniels, Wali Lundy, or David Anderson in what was far and away the best draft in franchise history.
Consequently, Rick Smith has been general manager of your Houston Texans for four (4) drafts--2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010. Specifically, the following Texans were drafted on Smith's watch (the round in which they were drafted is in parentheses after the player's name):
2007 (note that there was no second-round selection, as it was included in the trade that brought Matt Schaub to Houston, which was consumated in March of 2007)
Amobi Okoye (1)
Jacoby Jones (3)
Fred Bennett (4)
Brandon Harrison (5)
Brandon Frye (5)
Kasey Studdard (6)
Zac Diles (7)2008 (again, no second-round pick, thanks to the Schaub trade)
Duane Brown (1)
Antwaun Molden (3)
Steve Slaton (3)
Xavier Adibi (4)
Frank Okam (5)
Dominique Barber (6)
Alex Brink (7)2009
Brian Cushing (1)
Connor Barwin (2)
Antoine Caldwell (3)
Glover Quin (4)
Anthony Hill (4)
James Casey (5)
Brice McCain (6)
Troy Nolan (7)
***Arian Foster was signed as an undrafted rookie free agent on May 6, 2009.***2010
Kareem Jackson (1)
Ben Tate (2)
Earl Mitchell (3)
Darryl Sharpton (4)
Garrett Graham (4)
Sherrick McManis (5)
Shelley Smith (6)
Trindon Holliday (6)
Dorin Dickerson (7)
The lack of second-round picks in the 2007 and 2008 drafts means, in my mind, that you have to take Matt Schaub into account when evaluating those drafts. That's a good thing for Rick Smith, as The Schaub is really the only thing that keeps Smith's first two drafts as Texans GM from being truly horrifying as we examine them in 2011. As we sit here today, the Texans count two (2!) true draftees from the 2007 and 2008 classes--Amobi Okoye and Duane Brown--as starters.
As disappointing as that is, it should be noted that Steve Slaton and Fred Bennett were each very productive starters for one season before wildly regressing and/or getting injured, though that's of little comfort to the 2011 Houston Texans. Jacoby Jones has contributed in flashes, and Zac Diles proved capable of being in the rotation at linebacker for some period of time, even if he never quite managed to fulfill Kubes' dream of a Pro Bowl nod.
Harrison? Frye? Studdard? Molden? Adibi? Okam? Barber? Brink? None of them panned out, though it's fair to observe that Molden was the only one in that group taken before the fourth round.
It's surely too early to weigh in on the 2010 draft class, and I'd say it's probably still too early to definitively weigh in on the '09 draftees. That said, I'm not betting that Antoine Caldwell, Anthony Hill, Brice McCain, or Troy Nolan are going to set the football world on fire anytime soon.
As you review the list of players drafted since Rick Smith was named general manager of your Houston Texans, what do you think?
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Its worse then I thought.
Thats probably on line with raiders bad!!! How can he still have a job. We are in the wrong business!!!
by AllenOU on Jan 10, 2011 3:23 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Needs a comparision...
With a what a top drafting team (ie: Pats) did in those same drafts.
On the face most of these moves were terrible, but in a vacuum we have no idea how bad they truly were without a comparison. Perhaps it is common for 2/3’s over a team’s draftees to be a total waste….
Somehow I doubt that.
Do you really want to know how the Pats did? Really?
I don’t even want to know how much better the average teams did. Cue the facepalm.
by bv on Jan 10, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Patriots past 4 drafts...
Just for grins:
*=On the Roster Depth Chart = 1 (Starter) 2 (Backup) 3 (Depth)
Year Rnd Name On Roster Depth Chart
2007 1 Brandon Meriweather * 1
2007 4 Kareem Brown
2007 5 Clint Oldenburg
2007 6 Justin Rogers
2007 6 Mike Richardson
2007 6 Justise Hairston
2007 6 Corey Hilliard
2007 7 Oscar Lua
2007 7 Mike Elgin
2008 1 Jerod Mayo * 1
2008 2 Terrence Wheatley
2008 3 Shawn Crable
2008 3 Kevin O’Connell
2008 4 Jonathan Wilhite
2008 5 Matt Slater * 3
2008 6 Bo Ruud
2009 2 Patrick Chung * 1
2009 2 Ron Brace
2009 2 Darius Butler * 2
2009 2 Sebastian Vollmer * 1
2009 3 Brandon Tate * 2
2009 3 Tyrone McKenzie
2009 4 Rich Ohrnberger * 2
2009 5 George Bussey
2009 6 Jake Ingram
2009 6 Myron Pryor * 2
2009 7 Julian Edelman * 2
2009 7 Darryl Richard
2010 1 Devin McCourty * 1
2010 2 Rob Gronkowski * 1
2010 2 Jermaine Cunningham * 1
2010 2 Brandon Spikes * 1
2010 3 Taylor Price * 3
2010 4 Aaron Hernandez * 2
2010 5 Zoltan Mesko * 1
2010 6 Ted Larsen
2010 7 Thomas Welch
2010 7 Brandon Deaderick * 2
2010 7 Kade Weston
2010 7 Zac Robinson
Results? 2007 and 2008 were IMO worse than Smith’s but absolutely killed it in 2009 and 2010 (especially with that McCourty pick, who coulda guessed that he’d be nfl ready?)
by FreeRange on Jan 10, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Keep in mind...
The Patriots are usually drafting 25th-30th, whereas the Texans have been routinely top fifteen-twenty.
Does that really matter after the 2nd or 3rd round?
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Also keep in mind...
Drafting is half the battle…..developing talent is the other….and the Patriots are among the best developers of talent.
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And videography too!
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by MeMongo on Jan 10, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Indeed

""Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot" ~ BFD
by LoneSpot on Jan 11, 2011 8:45 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
This gets me, every
single time i see it. Well played, sir.
by typhoon.infamous on Jan 11, 2011 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
and having a scheme that puts players in position to make a play
is the other half.
the tenth time is a charm
The third half is not drafting players from the U of TX...
ever.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Yet, they'll draft out of U of H
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jan 12, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
Right
Wouldn’t want to fuck things up by bringing in someone like Derrick Johnson, Brian Orakpo, or Jamal Charles. That would suck.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Hey, I didn't see any on the Patriots board up there...
So, there’s gotta be something to it, right?
C’mon… you guys know my comment was aimed directly at two people on this here site. Don’t get your shitty orange panties in a bunch.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Well
In ‘09 the Patriots had 6 picks in the first 3 rounds and 5 through three rounds in ’10…, just the sheer number of picks increases their odds of “hitting a home run” i’d think…
Also, wasn’t Mayo drafted somewhere around 9th or 10th in ’08? That was quite a bit ahead of the Texans that year I believe.
I believe they got that pick from the Raiders in the Seymour trade
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jan 11, 2011 2:46 AM CST up reply actions
Didn't they get more than one 1st round pick for him?
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jan 12, 2011 3:20 AM CST up reply actions
Just 1
It was an unusually long-term type of trade so people forget about it a lot, since they made the deal in 2009 for a pick in 2011 (at which team Seymour might not even be on the team). Mayo was drafted in 2008 with the 10th overall pick that they got in a trade from New Orleans somewhere down the line
I'd like to know what the waterline is for the NFL in terms of expectations from drafts
Probably worth breaking it down into three groups of results:
Elite Teams
Average Teams
Under-performing Teams
…and the number of players each draft expects to become regular starters and impact players whether they remain on that team that drafted them or get traded and produce elsewere vs ride the pine vs wash out of the NFL completely.
Just talking about starters who either stay or get traded and start elsewhere, if I had to guess at all from armchair perspective, it would be:
Elite Teams – 4 per draft
Average Teams – 3 per draft
Under-performing Teams – 2 or less per draft
I also think the “Elite” teams don’t keep them all, but trade aggressively and have players worth trading to replace their “needs” successfully. Based on the list in the OP, I’d say the Texans are in the “Under-performing” category and not surprisingly they have “under-performed” as a team as a result. Talent evaluation is critical to success!
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that's hard to do
It’s easy to draft starters for a bad team. Good teams that draft well do a better job dealing with injuries/veterans leaving
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
its also kinda skewed
when coaches continually throw their high round draft picks out there to fail, simply because they want to give them every opportunity to succeed.
IMO, the Texans power pyramid is way too skewed away from the GM.
the tenth time is a charm
Doing the Texans draft history on SBNH....and looking at drafts over the past 10 years
I would say great teams find 3 starters per draft but also have most of their picks contribute in some fashion…and that really is a big deal: getting a lot of quality players that fill your roster via your draft picks.
Good teams don’t miss in the first round…those misses hurt teams in a big way cause teams are depending on, at least, that one starter. They also hit big on undrafted players (San Diego finds a lot of their talent as undrafted free agents).
"Lord, beer me strength."
Great point, those round one and two misses also tie up cash needed for FA
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I agree generally
But it’s very hard to measure a lot of this. The Colts, for example, have had very bad luck in the 1st and 2nd round for years. The most significant players they drafted (like Sanders & Addai) have been hobbled by injuries. However they make up for it with getting good depth out of later rounds and street free agents.
I looked through a number of teams drafts for a project I’m working on and there is nobody who gets 4 starters per draft. Getting 3 in one is almost a miracle and rarely happens on a consistent basis. More common for a “good” draft is to get 2 impact players and some depth/occasional starts out of lower picks.
Those undrafted players...
Hitting on those really makes a huge difference.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Good job
…by you, Tim. Smith perhaps not so much. However, I don’t think it’s that bad at all. Agreed, the ‘07 draft grade is almost an F (I think he passes because of some production b, Okoye, Jakespeare and even Diles) and the ’08 draft is only slightly better. But these two years was his first as GM and I think the last two years drafts holds more potential by far. Cushing has proved himself as a true starter, and I think we can expect a lot of good things next year from Barwin, Quin and Thor. You also have to give some credit to Smith for bringing in the Pterodactyl. I wouldn’t dream of comparing him to the Pats and Belichick, because he’s just in his own league, but the bottom line: we are not as bad drafters as fx Raiders or Jax has been for some years
Oh, by the way
I wouldn’t be sad to see Smith go away next off-season. But when the decision was to retain Kubes for another season, I say it makes sense to hold onto Smith as well. If play-off is something we can only dream of again next year, let’s wave goodbye to the Smithiak era then
by BrotherSalsa on Jan 10, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Indeed.
The best pick he has made in terms of value and production seems to be Quin at this point, and given that he had already failed on two mid-round CBs, I’d see the above picture encapsulates it perfectly.
Oh, and to whoever gave him credit for Cushing… Isn’t it a bit disheartening that the other obvious choice that he passed over there is arguably the best pass-rusher in the NFL, and a potential DPOY candidate?
by Nashmeister on Jan 10, 2011 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Excellent point about Matthews. Cushing was the better pick for a 4-3, but Matthews for a 3-4. Heh….how ironic is that?
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Yeah but in my opinion...
I still think that Cushing has the potential to be as great or even better than Matthews. If we had a DC that could actually scheme and coach the players like they have in Greenbay, and If he didn’t miss 4 games of the season, or if Demeco didn’t get injured and Cush having to move to MLB I think Mathews and Cushing would have very similar seasons.
by Catallac392 on Jan 10, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You coulda stopped.....
@
If we had a DC that could actually scheme and coach the players
The rest is all crap that happens in an NFL season.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Dom Capers
Is that man your talking about in Green Bay that has coached and schemed their defense so well
He was HC when he was here...
He’s like Kubiak and Phillips. A damn good coordinator of one side of the ball, but not a complete game coach by any stretch of the imagination.
by Fuzion on Jan 11, 2011 2:21 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
They should alternate head-coaching duties.
Give Phillips a red flag and motivational speech duties every other game.
Also, Kubiak will now have to say, “It’s on me… And Wade Phillips” after losses.
by Nashmeister on Jan 12, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
is it bad
that i came to BRB saw this article and didnt click till now because i was too scared of the conclusion. kinda speaks to rick smith…lol
KP
This topic reminds me...
When will we get “Dulcolax” as a sponsor?
Give me Nnamdi or give me boobs! SOMETHING has to keep us going in the off season.
Or Pepto-Bismol for that matter
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jan 11, 2011 2:50 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think it's SO bad
Schaub trade – Excellent.
Amobi Okoye (1) – Great off the bat, was coached, was turned into a nose tackle for some reason, now seems to be okay again.
Jacoby Jones (3) – All-Pro caliber punt returner despite inability to catch/hold on to balls. Not great return for a 3rd, but it’s something.
Fred Bennett (4) – Great off the bat, was coached, now is horrendous.
Brandon Harrison (5) – Whiff.
Brandon Frye (5) – Whiff.
Kasey Studdard (6) – Whiff.
Zac Diles (7) – For a seventh rounder, this isn’t a bad career.
2008 (again, no second-round pick, thanks to the Schaub trade)
Duane Brown (1) – Fine. I mean, I hate him, but an average left tackle is nothing to sneeze at considering where the Texans drafted with this one.
Antwaun Molden (3) – Showed potential, ruined by injuries.
Steve Slaton (3) – Showed production, ruined by injuries.
Xavier Adibi (4) – Showed nothing, ruined by injuries.
Frank Okam (5) – Whiff.
Dominique Barber (6) – Decent special teamer, probably should be fourth on a real safety depth chart.
Alex Brink (7) – Whiff.
2009
Brian Cushing (1) – Wow is the jury ever still out on this one. Terrific year one, terribly mediocre year two. This is the make or break year.
Connor Barwin (2) – Excellent for how often he was on the field in year one, hurt last year.
Antoine Caldwell (3) – Decent in year one, awful in year two.
Glover Quin (4) – Great value all things considered as a fourth rounder who started almost immediately. Imagine if Texans had CB’s to actually make him a safety.
Anthony Hill (4) – Whiff.
James Casey (5) – Great value, Casey should see the field more.
Brice McCain (6) – Whiff.
Troy Nolan (7) – Whiff.
Arian Foster was signed as an undrafted rookie free agent on May 6, 2009.* – Greatness.
2010
Kareem Jackson (1) – Jury still out, but yikes at year one.
Ben Tate (2) – Injury mulligan.
Earl Mitchell (3) – Pretty pedestrian, but still young.
Darryl Sharpton (4) – Looking solid so far.
Garrett Graham (4) – Haven’t seen enough to judge yet, but he forced the Texans into some 3 TE sets. That’s gotta count for something.
Sherrick McManis (5) – Too early
Shelley Smith (6) – Too early
Trindon Holliday (6) – Too early
Dorin Dickerson (7) – Too early
Injuries really killed that 08 class, so I wouldn’t hold that year against him too much. At this time last year, the Cushing-Barwin draft was being universally lauded. I wouldn’t say he’s doing a bang up job or anything, but I still think the coaching staff needs to be held more accountable for players like Okoye/Bennett than he is due to how quickly they came in and were good.
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by riversmccown on Jan 10, 2011 7:07 PM CST reply actions 9 recs
If Brian doesn't move to MLB
he might have had a better year. Didn’t someone say that Frank Okam was starting in Tampa and was doing good? and Kareem got screwed this year.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Okam
more than twice the tackles in three games than in his entire Texans career. There truly is no player on Earth that a Texans coaching staff can’t make garbage.
It's Our Time.... or something...
by bennprince on Jan 10, 2011 8:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 8 recs
wow that's one sad stat
"You know what they say - Fool me once: strike one. But fool me twice... strike three."
by RocketsAstros on Jan 11, 2011 3:22 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with all except
Wouldnt call Nolan a Whiff quite yet. Had injuries, but seems to be healthier and he has a nose for the football. Willing to see how he does with real coaching.
I want Fred Bennett back god damit!!!!!!
by AllenOU on Jan 10, 2011 7:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Pass on Bennett
although again it’s hard to tell. Who knows how much of his regression was him and how much was coaching. He sure looked good his first year.
Jury’s still out on Nolan for me too. I mean, everyone looked bad this year, and Nolan could still be solid. Plus he’s a seventh rounder, so just about any consistent playing time makes him a decent value. I’d call Kareem or Trindon Holliday a whiff before Nolan at this point.
player development can be attributed to all the failures on our defensive picks.
Look at kareem jackson. This kid had flashes of good instict. There would be times where he would instinctively want to jump routes. Sadly I like bushs ideals just horrible at player development
by Big_T on Jan 10, 2011 7:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Wait...
are you saying that Kareem and the rest of the Texans secondary can turn their heads around while running but have been coached not to???
It's Our Time.... or something...
by bennprince on Jan 10, 2011 8:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
uhh yea! with the shitty safety play we have i wouldnt want him spending time turning around trying to go for an int. just disrupt pass
Correct me if I’m wrong but the whole point of a cover 2 which which is what we mainly played is funnel the offense towards the middle and fill the void at corner afterwards. Now in zone coverage and cover 2 and 3 packages u require a smart free safety to read packages and adjust himself and personel to the play. So bottom line yes this is a young d and a lot of young talent. Talent bush didn’t know how to develop.
by Big_T on Jan 10, 2011 8:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
There is talent
But not what I think we think it is. I know I personally overvalue players like Nolan and pollard, when in reality we have NO competent safeties, and quin is a #2 corner at best.
K jax is the wild card though. If he can get coached up who knows.
I agree the front 7 is pretty good and think amobi will take off this year under pancakes JR
by AllenOU on Jan 11, 2011 1:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
KJax
It would be nice to have a bad first year – great second year situation for a change. Seems like it’s always the other way around for us.
"You know what they say - Fool me once: strike one. But fool me twice... strike three."
by RocketsAstros on Jan 11, 2011 3:56 AM CST up reply actions
Speaking of the draft...
Did anyone see Nick Fairley play last night? I can say without a doubt that I’d love to have him playing for the Texans.
What stands out for me in the Texans previous drafts is the fact that all of our first rounders have become productive starters. Even Amobi is just reaching the age where most NFL players join the league, so he’s still got potential.
Where it starts to fall apart is later rounds – which tells me one of two things, the head office either stinks at identifying late round talent, or the coaching staff stinks at developing late round talent. I’m willing to lean more towards blaming the coaching staff,
while I love his physical ability during live action,
I am deeply concerned about his behavior after the whistle and how that can stack up in painful penalties at the worst times.
Hm, wasn't able to pay much attention to the national championship..
but, i wouldn’t mind having N. Fairley as our NT.
Same here, I’m leaning to blaming the coaching staff for the player development. I’d use F. Bennett as a primary example of this, considering how well he played for his rookie season, then completely sucking the next couple of years. Also, I hear that Tampa is making F. Okam serviceable, which our coaching staff couldn’t do.
by typhoon.infamous on Jan 11, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Too bad he should be gone by #3 at the latest
He could possibly go #1 if Ron Rivera wants him bad enough in Carolina
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by The Night Owl on Jan 11, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Why are we making the GM look bad now
when “everybody” knew that he never really did anything but get coffee for Kubiak.
So to sum things up, It’s Kubiak’s fault. All of it.
FIRE KUBIAK!
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by Jordann on Jan 11, 2011 12:25 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
He was horrible in Denver too. I’m glad the texans took him off ourhands, lol. You could argue the same thing though. During those years Shanahan had the last word in the draft and they absolutely stunk.
Other than that, though, he's got a point.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 12, 2011 4:21 AM CST up reply actions
Mediocrity at its finest
Rick Smith is a true Texan.
Frank Bush delenda est
The 2011 Draft
Unless Bob and Gary tell Rick Smith to give Wade what he wants, it looks like 06 Kubiasserly is the best draft this team will see for awhile, though Tate, Mitchel, Dickerson, and Sharpton still have some potential, as well as Barwin.
The motivation for the Rick Smith quote “You can never have enough corner backs.” probably stems from the fact that he’d have to draft a 12 pack of them to find one that can cover.
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by Tomriffic on Jan 12, 2011 6:42 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Well said, rec'd
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WTF happened to Anthony Hill ?
I hadn’t thought the drafts had been so bad until looking back at them all, our ineptitude is just hilarious.
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injuries mostly
He got hurt on his first reception his rookie year. He was on PUP most of this year…though I think he might have been active for a game or two towards the end of the year.
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Another wasted pick...
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news flash...
No team bats 1.000 on draft picks.
To think so, is silly.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
No other team would have drafted back to back tight ends either.
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Blocking TE vs Recieving TE
there is a difference
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Should have just made Mark Breuner play 5 more unproductive seasons and saved the pick...
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That Swine Flu must have fucked him up badly
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