Texans Down 'N Dirty: Fun in Speculation Edition
by Jake on Jan 14, 2011 8:44 AM CST
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PrintNFL teams are extremely busy in the offseason, but a lot of that of the action takes place behind closed doors. This lack of transparency doesn't stop people from writing about the team, and with nothing tangible a lot of speculation takes place. Speculation over the draft and free agency fuels NFL news from January or February (depending on the success level of your team) to late April. The hard part is sifting through the speculation and determining what might be valid, and what are people talking just to fill the time. Let's get started, after the jump.
The biggest speculation is usually about the draft, especially this season with an uncertain time frame for free agency. John McClain thinks the Texans need to do a good job with the 11th pick. Seriously.
Daniel Charles finished his look back at the Texans draft history with its most recent effort, the 2010 draft. Rick Gosselin, who is a hell of a draft writer, also went back and re-assigned draft grades to all 32 teams based on rookie play this season. I'll save you the suspense...the Texans retained the same grade, a C.
According to almost all Texans fans, the 2006 draft was the most successful in franchise history. One member of that class, Charles Spencer, gave a great interview to Patrick from the Texans Tribune. Spencer had a great start to his career as a Texan until it was cut short by a devastating injury.
You want speculation? Kyle, a guest writer at HDH, has got you covered. He wrote an entire blueprint to the Texans offseason, including coaching changes, free agency and the draft.
Yesterday had a couple of substantial Texans news items. First of all, the Texans hired Vance Joseph as their next secondary coach. Alan Burge has the most extensive write-up on the new hire that I have seen thus far. Jerome Solomon also did a piece on Joseph and took it a step further by saying that Bob McNair needs to give Joseph an expensive free agent signee to base the new secondary around.
John Hallam discussed the Joseph hiring, but also broke down Rick Dennison not getting the head coaching gig in Denver, which he considers good news. He also states that a source told him Bob McNair is upset with the performance the defense last year and told Rick Smith to sign Nnamdi Asomugha. That's a tidbit that's sure to insprire some debate.
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No offense to the TBB guys because overall I think they do a good job and like their stuff....
….but they also claimed to have proof that the Texans medical staff badly mishandled Ben Tate’s injury (and some BBS’esque cries of dishonesty by management) that would supposedly lock up their case that the Texans medical staff is incompetent. That story was supposed to be up months ago. In fairness, I did see them asking Ben Tate via twitter to contact them recently, so maybe they are still trying to do some digging.
I’m not saying they are making up their source by any means. I’m sure they got that from somewhere, and I actually wouldn’t even find McNair giving that order shocking at all….but some of their past claims have made the jump from speculation to fact a little to easily for me so I have to doubt how concrete that is.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
I wish I had 'sources'
Unfortunately, the voices in my head don’t count.
Props to you, Jake, for keeping this series going. It’s terrific.
The Little Mikey Kerns in your head has friends in there?
Tell us more about the voices
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
There's a partay going on up there!
I picked the Seahawks on the first go-around on the BRB Pickem league, and then had second thoughts and went with the Saints. Should have listened to the little voices in my head….
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Fixed
They tell me that the Saints & COLTS aren’t playing this weekend, and that makes Mike & JOSHahappy boys.
""Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot" ~ BFD
by LoneSpot on Jan 14, 2011 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
There's a little joy for everybody.
If ATL wins this weekend, it may be the first I’ve been happy about sports since…well, since I can remember.
Thanks!
You’re a pal.
But since the football Gods have been pissed at me for years now, I’m sure GB will win.
DOH!
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"Because this is a blog and I’m an argumentative bastard." - tehGrindCrusher
"Not to completely equate marriage to fandom, but both rely on suspended insanity a bit..." - beefy
by DilloTex on Jan 16, 2011 1:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Further fixed
They tell me that the Saints & COLTS aren’t playing this weekend and the Seahawks are, and that makes Mike, JOSH, and Patrickahappy boys.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
by UprootedTexan on Jan 14, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Agree
They do well when dealing with facts, but this supposed rumor has no realistic merit. Repeating myself from the Pick ‘Em thread, there’s a huge difference between saying go sign four big name free agents and being able to actually do it.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
Plus, signing a big-time free agent would be a complete turnaround of the Texans philosophy
However, I would like to see the Texans sign Asomugha. I wouldn’t complain if they threw Dunta money, plus some, at him….
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I wouldn't complain if they gave away my first born
to sign Asomugha.
by Mike Kerns on Jan 14, 2011 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That would pretty much take care of half the field
I wonder what Asomugha would do with another kid…
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Not entirely true, though
Maybe not in the sense that we go out of our way to sign big-name free agents, but we do deal in this area. Antonio Smith was a big-name free agent. We dealt for Schaub, who was an RFA, knowing we’d have pay-up to keep him. We went after Bodden last year. We signed Wade Smith, who ranks among the tops in guards. No, not a romantic signing, but he was pretty damn good this year.
On the whole, I agree with building from within and making solid signings from the outside. It was when we ignored Antonio Cromartie and, especially Josh Wilson, last year, then failed to sign Bodden, did it whip us in the ass.
Finally, you don’t sign free agents to become mediocre. You sign them to put you over the top. Until this past off-season, we really weren’t in that position. Again, I’m just mostly frustrated out our lack of effort in pursuing Wilson or Cromartie last year.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
Everything you say is true
But, before the Texans signed Antonio Smith, I had never heard of him. If I’m not mistaken, the Antonio Smith signing was greeted lukewarmly here on BRB and I think the general attitude was that the Texans might have overpaid….which I guess is the usual outcome from most free agent signings; overpaying.
Yes, they made a play for Bodden, but the Patriots heard what the Texans offered and matched it to keep him. So, I guess the Texans weren’t willing to overpay for him.
So, I can’t completely dismiss the Antonio Smith signing, but I don’t put that in the category of big-name free agent signings. Bodden was a fail and he wasn’t even the best CB on the Patriots team this past season. Would he have made such a big difference coming here? He was one of the bigger names, but he wasn’t a “big-name.” To mention other names only puts an exclamation point on the Texans lack of effort to sign big-name free agents.
Maybe there is some truth to the story on Asomugha, but until they sign him, its just a story. Stories don’t shut down WRs.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Bodden got injured & placed on IR this year
No way to know if the same thing happens if he signed here.
Exactly on FAs
Antonio Smith’s got the fourth highest hit to our cap right now. Is that cost-effective? No, not at all. So, when you sign FAs, you need to make sure and get it right.
Cromartie and Wilson were both trades, not FAs. However, to me, it was about recognizing needs, which we failed to do.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
Okay
Asomugha
Area of need – big check
FA – check
Signed? – blank check
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on Jan 14, 2011 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
It’s why I’d be willing to use Kerns’ first-born as leverage. But, do you still sign him to a $20MM contract and expect to do anything else in FA? The Magic 8 Ball says that all signs point to no. When you add that we’ll have to re-up Mario after 2011 and Schaub the year after, the cap does have to remain a huge consideration.
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http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
Okay, which brings up another variable in the conversation
Overpaying for potential FA players currently under contract.
I saw it stated that the Texans have the third highest payroll in the NFL. Also, saw stated somewhere that the Texans have never parlayed that payroll into a playoff appearance.
Yes, yes, I want to blame it all on the coaches and injuries. But, at some point, the players have to be answerable. What is the answer? The generosity of Bob McNair? The stupidity of the Texans GM Rick Smith? I can’t blame it on the players for signing the contracts that make the Texans payroll third highest. I can blame the people in the FO who negotiate and approve the contracts.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Does Mario really deserve top 5 DE money?
We all know he takes plays off but isn’t this his contract year? Maybe we can see why he can do.
by fgp on Jan 14, 2011 10:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes he does
end of story
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
by papabear on Jan 14, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 7 recs
We have a lot of dead-weight salary
Andre Davis, Reeves, Wilson, Kris Brown. I’m not sure how much are guaranteed on these contracts, but they sure do hurt.
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http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
by bigfatdrunk on Jan 14, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Also...
It doesn’t look like the payroll thing is true.
Do you remember where you saw that?
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http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
by bigfatdrunk on Jan 14, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Somewhere here on BRB
I was being facetious, a bit, imagine that….
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Oh great goodness
Anybody feel like tweeting him and asking him for his source? Or do we just chalk this up to Pancakes being Pancakes and assume he, as usual, as no idea WTF he’s talking about?
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
by bigfatdrunk on Jan 14, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Your reaction pleases me greatly
Or, as the kids say, “LOL”.
""Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot" ~ BFD
Well, I think that Mcnair's figures applied to 2009
I can’t see from your link, but that might be 2010.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
It does
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
by bigfatdrunk on Jan 14, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
BTW, anytime you want to find something on BRB
…you can use the search button. Just type in a keyword and press “search” and everything will pop up on your screen.
A secret from me to you.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
These kids and their new-fangled technology...
…and flibberty gibber…
"the laws of physics are immutable and shit" - tehGrindCrusher
"Because this is a blog and I’m an argumentative bastard." - tehGrindCrusher
"Not to completely equate marriage to fandom, but both rely on suspended insanity a bit..." - beefy
Wow
What is annoying about cul-de-sac putting up the story about the numbers, then it being replicated on here is…I spent all that time arguing over something that wasn’t true in the first place. This tells me two things:
1. I should stop spending time arguing on here and find a job. And…
2. I should research before I believe McClain.
Oh PS: A source of mine told me we’re getting Mike Vick.
by arianbrotherhood on Jan 14, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Source?
and, don’t tell me your dog?
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on Jan 14, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh
I was just making source jokes like everyone else. AND WHAT’S WRONG WITH MY DOG BEING A SOURCE?!?!
by arianbrotherhood on Jan 14, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If you write for the Comicle, nothing.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
by UprootedTexan on Jan 14, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Word has it that dogs are behind any Michael Vick conspiracy....
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on Jan 14, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Vee hahf vays...
"the laws of physics are immutable and shit" - tehGrindCrusher
"Because this is a blog and I’m an argumentative bastard." - tehGrindCrusher
"Not to completely equate marriage to fandom, but both rely on suspended insanity a bit..." - beefy
This makes you appreciate
the BUCS season
by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 14, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
cited on one of the Chron blogs
cited USA Today as the source. Think it was Pancakes,
to be fair
salary cap numbers and actual salary are not the same thing
Papabear
Just to clear some things up: My claim, regarding the mishandling of Tate’s injury, is based on visual evidence from the game and the doctor I speak to from the Texanstalk forum. I have spoken to Jean (Cloak n Dagger) on the phone about these issues a number of times. I posted an explanation with video on one of our comments, showing the training staff having Tate walk off the field with his broken ankle (eventually, Vonta Leach saw him struggling from the bench and ran over to help him off the field, holding his leg up). Then, the doctor was pressing firmly down on his knee, with his leg extended, causing significant stress on the broken ankle- BIG MISTAKE! according to two independent doctors I spoke to…
Regarding the Nnambi rumor- it came from a person that is friends of a close friend of (a top person in the organization).. I’m not at liberty to devulge more than that. Anyway, the person has proven to be reliable before. He volunteered the info to me yesterday. I tried to present it as only a “rumor” but wanted to publish it to let readers know that there has likely been a change in attitude within the organization. I wasn’t trying to predict anything in particular. Frankly, I don’t want us to outbid everyone for Nnambi. I do like the idea of being active in free agency on defense though.
oH nOES
Regarding the Nnambi rumor- it came from a person that is friends of a close friend of (a top person in the organization)
Just like how the sister of this guy’s cousin who works as a janitor for the panthers overheard a conversation between two guys in the lobby of the panthers front office that they were gonna trade Jon Beason to the Texans for Matt Leinart.
Don’t get me wrong, I hope that Bob really wants us to go after Scrabble. But it’s hard to trust the word of mouth.
"Eff you mothereffer!"
-Bernard Pollard-
by Jordann on Jan 14, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Like I said I don't doubt that you got some information
I think it’s highly likely that McNair has given Smith instructions to make some plays in free agency and probably to go after alphabet. Realistically I don’t think it’s very likely that even if they wanted to that they could sign Namdi and a few other top level free agents. It provides some insight into their thinking, which is fine, but if you can’t provide sources and don’t have a track record of inside information it’s hard to put much stock in it. That’s not a knock on you, just a reality of being sort of a newcomer. If you keep it up (and I hope you do) and show that you are consistently getting some good insight then things like this start to carry more weight. If you consistently throw out things that can’t be backed up, or never see the light of the day then it’s hard for people to put a lot of faith in you. The same way many people don’t trust McClain, but believe everything Berman says.
The Mario thing rubbed me the wrong way because I felt like you made a lot of assumptions, despite evidence that pointed logically in another direction IMO. The part about the franchise being dishonest with the fans irked me too because it reminded of another teams blogger who just gets on my nerves in general. We’ve been over the Mario situation before though so no need to go through that all again.
I never saw anything else from you on Tate, but from what you described I don’t think it’s a huge deal either. I respect a doctors opinion, but unless he’s down on the field when it happened, or at the least had the chance to examine Tate’s MRI, then it’s really not fair to criticize the teams medical staff. That doesn’t mean they didn’t make mistakes. I’m sure it’s likely they did, but football players have had a walk it off mentality drilled into them since they were kids. Tate might have been the one saying let me try to walk it off. I broke my leg playing soccer, but the break happened right at the top of the bone close to the knee I had problems with. I told the coaches/trainer that I had blown my knee out, so they treated it that way. Which led them very painfully manipulating my leg and grabbing hold of the exact spot of the break. Based on my reactions(and threats to rip his f’ing face off if he did that again) they started considering other options. X-ray didn’t show anything, and It wasn’t until the MRI that they saw the break. My point is maybe they did make a mistake, in hindsight that’s easier to see. That doesn’t mean their is an overreaching problem with the medical staff.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
by papabear on Jan 14, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
papabear,
you slay me.
/looking at you all starry-eyed and shit
"Eff you mothereffer!"
-Bernard Pollard-
I'm not sure how to feel about that since it's coming from you
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Shhhhhh
Just let things happen, papabear.
Now put on the panda suit and i’ll ask BFD to come over.
"Eff you mothereffer!"
-Bernard Pollard-
by Jordann on Jan 14, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You're always jealous of our threesomes.
Foursome are fun too, so I would invite you. But they just never work out. You can come watch though.
You can hold the camera with one hand and a juicebox with the other.
"Eff you mothereffer!"
-Bernard Pollard-
No need for panda suit with papabear
Just use body paint.
""Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot" ~ BFD
by LoneSpot on Jan 14, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
edible body paint please
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
by papabear on Jan 14, 2011 1:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
/shudder... I was...
… getting curious enough about wanting to see this Panda Bear suit to volunteer to hold the camera…
I’m over it… thanks.
"the laws of physics are immutable and shit" - tehGrindCrusher
"Because this is a blog and I’m an argumentative bastard." - tehGrindCrusher
"Not to completely equate marriage to fandom, but both rely on suspended insanity a bit..." - beefy
Agreed
Although there is a slight difference between the professional/highest level possible training staff of the Texans and the coaches/trainers of your soccer team (unless you played pro soccer and if thats the case ignore me), no offense. It does seem logical to assume the worse and handle the situation as such when dealing with a multi million dollar investment (Ben Tate). I know the atheletes are used to “walking it off” but wouldnt a good training staff have enough sense and authority to tell him to sit his ass down and wait fr the stretcher or something? Since its the team has something to lose as well and they get paid an incredible amount of money (im sure) the mistakes are less forgiveable or permissable than at other levels of sports medicine/training.
Although I am somewhat out of the loop on this so pardon me if I am speaking out of turn or something and Id liek to add that I dont completely disagree with you on your points including the one about the trainers. Just had some input on the “other side” of things.
by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 14, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly if we signed scrabble, he could show
The other kiddie corners how to be a real shutdown cb. Mentor them.
by fgp on Jan 14, 2011 9:54 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Has that played out for the other corners in Oakland?
Just asking, because I’m not familiar with the rest of their secondary.
""Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot" ~ BFD
Huff's been a badass the last two seasons
Chris Johnson is an above-average CB if you don’t include run support. Branch kind of sucks, though he’s no Pollard.
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http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
by bigfatdrunk on Jan 14, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Unpossible
UT DB studs never succeed in the NFL.
""Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot" ~ BFD
Earl Thomas would like to have a word with you
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jan 14, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Our GM knows what the hell he's doing.
And that’s not getting coffee for Kubes.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
by UprootedTexan on Jan 14, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
UT... methinks that 7-9 playoff berth may be going to your head...
Seriously I’m happy that you have a team that’s still kicking… but they’re only one game better than the Texans with whom we are TOTALLY disgusted and are playing in the NFC West…. “Your GM” hasn’t proven to be any brighter than Albert Einstein’s slower brother Rodney… (yet)
"the laws of physics are immutable and shit" - tehGrindCrusher
"Because this is a blog and I’m an argumentative bastard." - tehGrindCrusher
"Not to completely equate marriage to fandom, but both rely on suspended insanity a bit..." - beefy
Hey, all they have to do is win their division
It’s not their fault 7 win is enough in their division when 10-11 is required for the AFC South
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jan 16, 2011 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't even mean it like that.
I was mostly trying to take a shot at Rick Smith.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
by UprootedTexan on Jan 16, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, and we have our own issues with "KJ" at corner.
His name is Kelly Jennings.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
by UprootedTexan on Jan 14, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Since this is the "speculation" DnD
I posted this elsewhere, however, this might be a better place, since it is pure specualtion. About a week ago, the Texans asked the Cowturds for permission, which was denied, to talk to LB Coach Reggie Herring. Well, Turds’ DC Paul Pasqualoni left for football hotbed UConn and that tells me that the Turds have to replace him, which might leave Herring on the outside looking in when a new DC is brought in, who knows. So, he might become available, eventually, just a matter of time…. I haven’t heard anything, just putting it out there.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I've read that at the cowboys blog and came to the same conclustion.
But we just have to play the waiting game.
Oh great, confirmation of my speculation.....
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
so how about sunday's game between the Jets and Patriots?
by fgp on Jan 14, 2011 11:39 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
Awesome
I was just hoping to see Rex as Jobba though. I know he’s retired but Rodney Harrison would be pretty appropriate as Boba Fet
by Jason Brown on Jan 14, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
You know
I started disliking the jets two years ago… and i’ve disliked the pats for just as long.
In the end though i would say i dislike the jets a bit more.
So… go pats?
I dunno still kinda just feels wrong.
With you on this one
I’m pretty mixed. I hate them both.
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http://www.battleredblog.com
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 14, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Not likely, no roof on either stadium
But they could both get buried in snow
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jan 14, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think Mark Sanchez will be able to muddle his way to victory against the Pats
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on Jan 14, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, Shiva still hasn't gotten back to me on THAT one.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
by UprootedTexan on Jan 14, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Yup, that one is pretty much "rooting for meteor"...
"the laws of physics are immutable and shit" - tehGrindCrusher
"Because this is a blog and I’m an argumentative bastard." - tehGrindCrusher
"Not to completely equate marriage to fandom, but both rely on suspended insanity a bit..." - beefy
yea I think this rivalry is a little bit of a media creation
I’m sure they don’t like each other, and I’m sure the Jets fans consider it a HUGE rivalry….but it just feels forced. And Rex is happy to feed it.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
90 % media, from what we see
But, underlying, there is no question that they want to rip each other apart, grind it in, and taunt them all the way to the next round of the playoffs!
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Boston – NY New Jersey
/fixed
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
by Shake on Jan 14, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And I just fucking hate both of them
Seriously, who gives a shit about either of them? They always think they’re the sports capitals of the world just because they have big media markets. So what.
Although, it’s gonna be quite entertaining watching them beat the shit out of each other. It’s like watching two guys you hate get into a fist fight…..the more damage the better.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
It almost makes me wish the Cowboys were good again, just so we'd have a TX team representing us.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
What, they couldn't photoshop Ines Sainz into a Princess Leia costume?
Still, Hoodie vs. Footie Pt. 3. Hope the East Coast doesn’t asplode or something as a result.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
by UprootedTexan on Jan 14, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hint: If her feet were shown, you might recognize her....
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Ah!
No shit. Her small head was making it hard to tell. For a min I thought it was the red headed sideline reporter for BSPN.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I envy the awesome coaching of Bill Belichek.
So go PATRIOTS!
(Also it was the JETS who kept us outta the playoffs in 2009, pretty sure we would of won atleast one game since we were riding that hot 4 game win streak and we actually had a DEFENSE. Oh and im sure we would of spanked the Bungles in the playoffs for sure.)
We should have won week one
thats what kept us out of the playoffs. Our D those first 3 weeks was almost as bad this years. We let the rookie qb beat us.
Papabear: regarding Ben Tate
Here’s the video we shot when we were still learning how to edit it…. Remember, he has a broken ankle! The last 3 seconds show the training beginning to apply downward pressure on the knee. He keeps the pressure on that leg/knee all the way into the locker room. Explain why, if his ankle was hurting him, a trainer would apply pressure there? Both doctors I spoke to had no explanation why he would do that.
On the whole knee thing
It just looks like he is holding his leg still on the cart to prevent it from bouncing, and he can’t very well press down on his ankle.
The strong do what they have to do; the weak accept what they have to accept
That video didn't show me anything other than Tate trying to walk off the field
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
CAN'T YOU SEE THAT THE MEDICAL STAFF IS TRYING TO SABOTAGE BEN TATE'S CAREER?!?!
"Eff you mothereffer!"
-Bernard Pollard-
When you put it that way, sabotage, YES!
I like that take, Jordann.
Thx for straightening me out....
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on Jan 14, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Junior
ONE DAY YOU'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER....
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on Jan 15, 2011 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you're missing my point
I have no idea why they are applying downward pressure. I’m not a doctor/trainer. I wasn’t on the field. I have no clue what kind of feedback they were getting from Tate, or what diagnosis they had on the field so all I can do is guess, just like you. Maybe they didn’t think there was a break, and only thought it was a ligament injury. From the end of the clip my guess is he was just trying to keep the leg immobilized…like I’ve seen trainers do just about every time someone is carted off. It didn’t seem to put him in any more pain, so maybe it wasn’t anything more than lite pressure. Would they do things differently in hindsight? Maybe, but that doesn’t mean they were incompetent, and probably speaks more to the walk it off culture of the NFL than anything else.
Even if you prove to be right down the road and they do have a poor medical staff, I think the case you are presenting for it now is tenuous at best and based on nothing more than a hunch. It reads to me like the birth of a UFO conspiracy theory where the Slaton injury put an idea in your head, and you look for evidence in every possible situation and take every little maybe as proof. Like a Guy trying to walk off the field on his own. I’m sure it all adds up to you, but I don’t think any of it adds up to much of anything.
Even if you prove to be righ, a
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
by papabear on Jan 14, 2011 2:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
You see all sorts of things
when you’re trying to make a name for yourself.
"Eff you mothereffer!"
-Bernard Pollard-
Papabear
What the video fails to show is that the trainers were helping him off the field with little assistance… then, Leach hops up from the bench when he sees how much Tate is struggling, runs on the field, to give him so real assistance.
I still think you are missing the point of the debate here, JH
As PB said, players are indoctrinated with the “walk it off” mentality throughout their lives in sports.
And unless there is some portable X-ray and/or MRI machine that is being used on other NFL teams for a field injury, then my guess is it went something like this:
Tate: Oh shit…
Trainer(s): Can you make it to the sidelines, or do we need to cart you off?
Tate: {doesn’t want to be a pussy-ass rookie} Yeah, I can probably make it with a little help.
**Obviously, I am speculating. But I would venture to say that I am speculating no more than you or the doctors you consulted with.
The point is that the trainers have to get a 1st impression of the injury & its severity by asking the player laying on the field. All other assessment is later. And to boot, most of them are my size….and aren’t extremely capable of lifting & carrying an NFL player off the field….hence the cart.
Did you watch Hard Knocks last year w/ the Jets? Did you see what happened to their huge (young) lineman? It was a leg injury with a similar event. The trainers were barely able to help him off the field. So Kris Jenkins walked out there and threw that big motherfucker right over his shoulder & carried him to the cart on the sidelines. (point being it obviously isn’t some freak occurrence that a hurt player can’t make it off the field and gets help from another player)
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
by Shake on Jan 14, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Shake, I get the point, but...
If you have read TBB, you know that we place a high value on character/integrity within the organization. And, if we are going to be generous regarding our critique of the organization because they do things “the right way”, then we will also be obligated to criticize them when they don’t treat players/people with integrity and respect. I don’t care if other organizations mishandle injuries. I don’t want my team to do so.
I have seen Hard Knocks. I remember two years ago, when it was the Bengals, and watching Mike Zimmer refusing to speak to Rey Malaluga because he “doesn’t talk to guys that are injured”. That repulsed me. And, I don’t care how prevalent that attitude is in the NFL, if Gary Kubiak or anyone involved with the Texan organization is disrespectful to a player in that fashion, I will call them out. On the other hand, if you’ve read us consistently, you know that the 6-10 record hasn’t deterred us from rooting for the current leaders of the organization or celebrating the many things we love about them.
I completely get what you are saying
But once again, you are taking things far past the basic discussion about Tate’s injury at that moment in time. I am simply focusing on the point regarding hindsight vs. real-time in medicine.
In order to find a way that we both don’t keep going into long paragraphs, I suggest we backup to just 1 question:
-How do you expect that the trainers should have known how severe the injury to Tate was at that moment on the field?
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Shake,
Because, that is their jobs and they are doctors. Particularly if they are trainers/doctors of professional football players, their concern at that point should be to protect the athlete from himself and the pressure that his job entails.
“no Ben, stay down… we are very worried about your ankle. You can injure your career/season if you don’t stay still and let us care for it.” Then, of course, don’t cause damage by pressing down on the knee for no reason whatsoever. I twice attempted to call into Kubiak’s radio show to address these concernse and was put on hold, then hung up on within two minutes.
how do you know
they didn’t say those exact words?
the tenth time is a charm
by texanphil on Jan 14, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This is a bold statement, but I figured that it's worth a shot...
NOBODY REALLY KNOWS
"Eff you mothereffer!"
-Bernard Pollard-
Regarding the Tate Injury
I was speaking with a doctor about Mario Williams’ hip/groin pain and what the pain could be attributed to. He told me (and we printed it) that it was likely a sports hernia or torn labrum in the hip that is causing the pain. He told us that his condition would degenerate over the season and the team was making a mistake handling the injury by shooting him with anti-inflammatories. That conversation was right after the Tate injury. I asked him about Tate’s ability to recover next season from it and about details of the injury. It was then that this doctor told me that the training staff made several obvious and careless errors when they were treating him. He explained what he saw and the medical reasoning for it. At that point, I re-watched the game saved to my DVR and saw exactly what he described. From that point, I spoke to another physician friend of mine. Then, Barrett and I shot the video and wrote the story.
Neither Barrett nor I have any desire to attack the Texans organization. We are/ and have been ardent supporters of Bob McNair, Rick Smith, Kubiak, and company. But, in our zeal as fans, we sometimes see/learn things that are troublsome to us. The Slaton neck injury story that we did happened even more organically. We were watching the game and noticed that at the end of that drive against Arizona (before he fumbled), Slaton became a much more tenative runner. When we re-watched that drive, Barrett noticed a nasty hit on the left edge of the screen on Slaton at the end of a QB sneak. It was from that point, exactly, where it appeared Slaton began to run tentatively and favor one shoulder/arm, even seeming to experience numbness in his fingers at a couple points. As fans of the Texans and Slaton, we became very concerned about his health. I researched his injury and also spoke with the same doctor, who explained to me the recovery process and issues he may be having… also, what a hit like that could do to him. So, we wrote the story and filmed the video. I stand behind that story and those observations and it still seems clear to me that Slaton was placed on the football field much earlier than he should’ve been. It’s also clear to me that the neck injury is what has derailed his career. We took a lot of heat for that story. The expectation at that point was that Slaton would share the carries with Foster and he was supposed to be fine. Clearly, he wasn’t: Slaton Neck Injury
Maybe
The medical staff should bar all the players from playing football?
Then they would be doing their job right?
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on Jan 15, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
this is just getting redundant now
I’ll address this one more time and then I’m done’
Slaton:
You- saw Slaton in a big collision and wondered about his neck
me-Assuming we are talking about the same hit, I saw it too. He came off the field with one arm just kind of hanging there. I wondered if something happened with his previous injury
Nothing else ever came out, so who knows. I think it’s fair to say that the original injury was detrimental to his career. We have no idea if he hit did new damage.
Mario
you-In your article, “Finally, the truth about Mario Williams’ is revealed” you stated that’ I have officially concluded that our medical and training staff suck!" when the Texans addressed in a press conference the lingering hernia problem late in the season. You stated that, " However, the team seemed unable to assess the problem much less properly treat it."
me-Mario saw what was said to be the a leading expert for sports hernias in the pre-season. That tells me they had a good idea that they were dealing with a hernia and had very accurately assesed the problem. All we we’re told was that the doctor agreed with the Texans doctor.
You felt that the “Texan organization is dishonest with fans and media”
Me-I am neither shocked nor upset in any way that they didn’t give us all the details. Not telling fans all the details does nothing to show the mediacl staff is sub par.
You spoke to a doctor who told you the " Mario’s set of symptoms virtually guaranteed a sports hernia, degeneration in the hip, or a torn muscle in the hip- all injuries that required rest and possibly surgery to repair and preserve strenght and athleticism in the region. He was very alarmed that he was getting injections and continuing to play without a clear diagnosis and treatment plan."
me-But he went to a hernia specialist, so why would you think there was no clear diagnosis or treatment plan. If a doctor disagrees that’s fine. There aren’t really absolutes with sports injuries, but the opinion of the specialist who actually examined Mario carries more weight with me. Maybe they didn’t do the right thing, but we’ll never know how it would have worked out otherwise. The fact that they got a second opinion means they at least did their due diligence. The fact the specialist apparently agreed with their treatment plan hints that they were on the right track. It also basically proves that your premise about the texans failing to address the situation is wrong.
Tate:
You seemed to be most concerned that Tate tried to go off the field on his own and mainly that applying downward pressure to his knee/upper leg as he was being carted off was a bad move.
me- Probably not a good idea to let him walk, but he likely wanted to try and they might not have realized the extent of the injury. They never really know until they get xrays or an MRI. The downward pressure on the leg appears to me as nothing more than keeping the leg still while he’s being driven off the field. It didn’t look to me like what he did put any pressure on the ankle. I could be wrong’ but I still feel they were just keeping the leg still.
None of that leads me to believe that the Texans “medical and training staff suck!” . That’s about as simply as I can break down the whole discusion.
I have nothing but respect for anyone who is willing to put forth the effort to start up their own Texans blog. The more places we have for discusion and analysis the better. I’m not trying to start some kind of blog war either. Like I said the more non-espn, non-chronicle Texans content the better. I just think you made some pretty big leaps of faith here, and hoped that you might take a step back and try and look at things a little more deeply from another perspective.
The longer this goes on though the farther apart we get so there is just no point.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
by papabear on Jan 15, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Thank you for taking out the trash, PB!
Dutifully rec’d!
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on Jan 15, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He Allen OU'd in response to Allen OU.
Awesome.
"LoL
Why am I even wasting my time responding to a "Salad". Ugh. Yeah… shit team"
by Salad on Jan 14, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
"Doubly Awesome"
:)
I am totally optimistic about the Texans new season - at least until the first of the 4 or 2 (if any) preseason games
by Barryfromtexas on Jan 14, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
It would make perfect sense if that were Ron White
…sounds like a Ron White story
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Potentially as dangerous as crossing streams
""Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot" ~ BFD
by LoneSpot on Jan 14, 2011 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
.
John McClain thinks the Texans need to do a good job with the 11th pick.
REALLY?? Ya think?
I would never have figured this out without Pancakes' insight.
DOH!
There goes my dream of being drafted at #11. Oh well.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
Ohhh, is that the official sarcasm font?
And, ummmm, how did you do that?
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
Put an @ at the front and end of the line you want in the font.
FYI: it uses more space above and below than usual so you have to take that into account when figuring your spacing.
Like this.
Okay, so
Pancakes say Texans want bfd at #11
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Let's see
I should be taken at #11!
Gee, thanks, Rip
Sarcasm font it is. Thanks, texanslady!
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
Too bad you cannot do it in the headline
and make it work
I am totally optimistic about the Texans new season - at least until the first of the 4 or 2 (if any) preseason games
by Barryfromtexas on Jan 14, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
BFD is not involved in the furry scene
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
by papabear on Jan 14, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Heh
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
still sore
U can never have too much lube
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
by papabear on Jan 14, 2011 5:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Holy cow!
FurCon is this weekend. I’ll just assume the two of you are there.
(Note the lack of sarcasm font)
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I've actually been banned by that paricular orginization
Somebody put something in my Zima last year. Got confused and thought I was the dungeon master. Apparently, not all furries are into hardcore bd/Sm and didn’t appreciate my brand of torture. Who knew?
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
by papabear on Jan 14, 2011 5:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dammit... /looking for Panda Suit
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Sarcasm is cool
You are such a good friend that if you and me were the last two people trapped on a sinking boat with only 1 life vest left, i would remember and pray for you every day.
Let's see
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A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
88
But it may also be dependent on its relation to where the comment begins.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
Another go
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A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
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A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
How many licks does it take
to get to the tootsie roll center of Jordann?
""Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot" ~ BFD
by LoneSpot on Jan 14, 2011 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
just a couple
he's easy
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on Jan 14, 2011 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Rick Smith should be executive of the year
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
by Hydroshock on Jan 14, 2011 8:48 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Glover Quin never allows touchdowns TM
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 14, 2011 8:58 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
K-Jax is NFL Ready
When you bleed steel blue people look @ you like you have the hiv when you cut yourself to release frustration.
by Taco Joe on Jan 14, 2011 11:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah, a sarcasm font
That's real useful!
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