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Football Outsiders Said The Texans Would Win 5.6 Games; They Won 6.0 Games

Remember several months ago, before the 2010 season started, when Football Outsiders predicted your Houston Texans would finish the 2010 regular season with 5.6 wins? And we all laughed, crowing that Football Outsiders totally missed the boat?

Your 2010 Houston Texans finished with six (6!) wins. Which is, you know, PRECISELY WHAT 5.6 ROUNDS UP TO.

Now click this link so the preceding moment is appropriately scored.  Then jump with me.  I'm pretty sure we can make it from here.

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Football Outsiders' disturbing bit of fortune-telling has stuck with me all year. Come season's end, I'd hoped to mock it like we mocked them for salivating over Fred Bennett once upon a time (even though I too salivated over The Ballhawk Gamecock once upon a time...hypocritical, perhaps, but their lust was supported by statistics and science, which makes it different from mine, and we all know we must mock those who are different from us).

Alas...it was not to be. Thus, I decided to venture into the musty BRB archives, as I recalled Rivers doing a Q&A with the Football Outsiders analyst who penned that painful prediction. Surprisingly, my memory was not completely shot; here's Rivers' interview with Vince Verhei in its entirety. The first question from Rivers, and Vince's answer:

Rivers McCown: The Football Outsiders system projects a rude wakeup call of a season for the Texans, with a mean win total of just 5.6. Can you explain to the average fan why a team that hasn't won this few games since 2006 has been saddled with such a low projection?

Vince Verhei: The three biggest reasons are Brian Cushing's suspension, the harder schedule, and the secondary. Let's start with Cushing. His 2009 wasn't just Defensive Rookie Of The Year good, it was Defensive Player Of The Year Good. (Or at least, it would have been most years. Last year Darrelle Revis was so ridiculously good that nobody else should have even been considered. That the writers still gave it to Charles Woodson is one of the worst decisions ever. But I digress.) Cushing's total of 37 Defeats (turnovers, sacks, stuffs on running plays and stops on third or fourth down) was the most in the league by a healthy margin - Patrick Willis was second with 33. It was the highest total for a rookie in our database (going back to 1993); the only other first-year player over 30 was Brian Urlacher. These are big plays, the kind that stop opposing drives immediately. Without those plays, opponent punts turn into field goals, and field goals turn into touchdowns. Cushing's absence by itself will probably cost the Texans about three points per game in each contest he misses.

Number two is the schedule. The Texans played the NFC West in 2009; this year they get the NFC East. Even though we're projecting down years for the Giants and Cowboys, it's likely that the worst team in that division could still beat out the Cardinals for the crown out West. The Texans also have to play the Ravens (our Super Bowl favorite) and the improving Jets. Last year, we ranked the Texans' schedule sixth-easiest in the league, and they went 9-7. That same team playing the 2010 schedule would likely go 7-9 or worse - and with Cushing gone for a quarter-year, they are not the same team.

And the woes in the secondary should be pretty obvious. Bernard Pollard is a very good strong safety (as we will discuss later), but he's best against the run. Kareem Jackson is promising, but cornerbacks usually don't play well until their third season. Whoever ends up starting on the other side - Glover Quin, Jacques Reeves, or Fred Bennett - is still going to be one of the worse starting corners in the league. And free safety Eugene Wilson probably shouldn't be on an NFL roster, let alone starting. I plugged Wilson's statistics over the last three years into our Defensive Similarity Scores system to find the ten players most similar to him. Four of those players never started another game, and five more were out of the league within a year. (Editor's Note: Yikes.) This team is going to get shredded.

Interesting, isn't it? Of the three reasons Vince gave for his belief that the Texans would stumble in '10, I believe it's fair to say that two of 'em did not apply. Let's examine the points in order:

1. Despite Vince's words of warning, Cushing's suspension had a negligible effect on the Texans' season, as they went 3-1 in his absence. Moreover, once Cushing did return, he was not the Brian Cushing of 2009.

2. For all the ballyhooed toughness of the Texans' schedule (and I was as guilty of this as anyone), it wasn't nearly as bad as it looked on paper, due in no small part to the NFC East being weaker than expected. Additionally, the AFC South was way down this past season and wasn't nearly as murderous as it usually is; if anything, the AFC West provided a tougher slate than many expected.

3. Secondary woes? Vince nailed this one, right down to "free safety Eugene Wilson probably shouldn't be on an NFL roster, let alone starting." In fact, you could make a cogent argument that the secondary woes were almost entirely responsible for the Texans' 2010 record. Sure, there are other areas deserving of blame (e.g., Frank Bush, the Red Carpet Zone, injuries, etc.), but the secondary overshadows almost everything, doesn't it? They couldn't stop anyone not named Rusty Smith or Trent Edwards, and nearly every week was a new exercise in the futility that was "Hold Your Opponent To Less Than 24 Points."

In summary, Football Outsiders was right on the money with their prediction of a 5.6-10.4 6-10 season for your Houston Texans. The logic underlying that prediction, however, was a bit off.

So remember that when we're trying to figure out why their prediction of 3.4 wins for the Texans in 2011 is absurd.

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Fred Bennett will be a Texan again

I’m fairly sure of that. I think he could be a 3rd db or play safety. Not joking.

You don’t play well as a rookie then dissappear unless your a longhorn or you had shitty coached telling you to give 10 yard cushions

by AllenOU on Jan 14, 2011 4:35 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I Want You To Know

That if you, Allen OU, ever AllenOU one of your mash notes to Fred Bennett, it would be the BRB equivalent of a supernova.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Jan 14, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

He knows how I feel yes

I text him all the time

almost as much as BFD texts the Ginger ninja

by AllenOU on Jan 14, 2011 4:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Question is

Would he swallow his pride and come back to a team that threw him to the curb like yesterday’s trash? I mean, most cuts you can chalk up to the business side of pro ball, but I was pretty shocked that we just dumped him like a street bum. And with D Rob gone it was just the most colossally stupid thing to do in my opinion.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Freddy come back to play for a coach that knows what the hell he’s doing.

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by Hydroshock on Jan 14, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't he get signed and cut by San Diego?

Which was a team with a pretty good defensive coordinator, and most likely a good secondary coach as well.

by Nashmeister on Jan 14, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

And was on cincis roster to finish the season

FA now, and he would be cheap and maybe wade can utilize his size a bit. I’m reaching but I’m trying to be realistic. Scrabble, Bailey, woodley are all pipe dreams I fear

by AllenOU on Jan 14, 2011 9:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Wow

Did we really ruin him that bad? I lost track of him once he left Houston so I didn’t know he bounced around like that.

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by Hydroshock on Jan 15, 2011 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, the good news is that he's probably available...

The bad news is… he’s available for a reason.

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by DilloTex on Jan 15, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

That sound byte

was perfect for the moment.

"Eff you mothereffer!"

-Bernard Pollard-

by Jordann on Jan 14, 2011 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

Soul-crushing because it was true?

Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.

Twitter

by Autra on Jan 14, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I think FO will project us better next year

Exhibit A) 8.2 estimated wins vs. 6 IRL wins
Exhibit B) Actual rushing attack leads to possibly the most-balanced attack in NFL
Exhibit C) Defense can’t possibly be this bad next year, can it?
Exhibit D) Titans with no quarterback, Jags with a defense just as bad as us, and the Mannings had some setbacks of their own.

If anything, I think FO might be ‘on our nuts’ (as the kids say) next year.

by riversmccown on Jan 14, 2011 5:54 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Easier schedule and better defense, sure.

But a lot of things went right this year, too. It wouldn’t be shocking to see the running game regress, Schaub miss some time (although the cynic in me wouldn’t mind seeing Orlovsky for a game), injuries to the offensive line, special-teams turnovers (did we really have 0 this year?), or bad field-goal kicking.

Will an easier schedule and better defense make up for it? We shall see. Before free agency, I wouldn’t project them any better than 8-8.

by Nashmeister on Jan 14, 2011 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

What exactly makes you think the running game will regress?

The O-Line dealt with Brisiel’s injuries and a Duane Brown suspension. Caldwell was arguably sub-replacement level, and nobody is getting into the NFL’s grandpa age yet. Assuming everyone is back, I don’t think there’s much of a reason for regression. Maybe they’ll be top 10 instead of top 5, but it’ll be just fine.

To me, special teams turnovers – special teams penalties will cancel out. Either way, hard for non-FG unit special teams to be much worse next year either.

by riversmccown on Jan 14, 2011 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

My only bitch about the O-line is Caveman's pass blocking

He got abused a little bit in pass protection, but people need to give him credit for his run blocking. Our run game was money this year.

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by Hydroshock on Jan 14, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions  

i expect the run game to be good

But some regression to the mean isn’t out of the question

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by papabear on Jan 14, 2011 8:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Brisiel still started nine games.

So, with the four that DB missed, we had our starting O-linemen start 69/80 games. That’s pretty good in this league. We’re also leaning on a young RB; there are no guarantees. We all saw Slaton regress. As awesome as Arian was this season, young players are iffy. The way I see it, between YPC, sheer yardage, and TDs, we had the best running game in football this season, and we were still just ninth in scoring offense. If the running game regresses at all, I don’t see how they’re going to up the anty in points scored.

by Nashmeister on Jan 14, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

They could regress and still score more points

Just by improving the defense to “average” so we could get better starting field position and reduce opponents time of possession

by Jason Brown on Jan 15, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

Good defenses can create turnovers that lead to points or good field position for the offense, creating more scoring opportunities. Even if our offense were to regress to say the 10-15th range, that’s still better than some of the teams currently in the playoffs.

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by Hydroshock on Jan 15, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to mention

having Tate back (hopefully). If he has any ability it would definitely be nice to be able to spell Foster some

by Jason Brown on Jan 15, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Easier schedule?

You know the AFC South is playing the NFC South and AFC North next year, right?

Atlanta, New Orleans, and Tampa are all really good teams. Only Carolina will be a pushover. Nevermind Pittsburgh and Baltimore.

by Jonathan Loesche on Jan 15, 2011 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Tampa isn't a "really good team" yet.

And the Texans pull Cleveland and Miami instead of Baltimore and NYJ (which was the difference between Houston’s 6-10 and Jacksonville’s 8-8).

by Nashmeister on Jan 15, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

one more year of offseason, free agency and a draft

I think Tampa Bay has grounds to say they can be a serious force to be reckoned with next year.

by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 15, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

They're dangerous

I like Freeman, and Williams should be considered in the ROY discussion.

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by Hydroshock on Jan 15, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree on Williams

Josh Freeman cost me my JWML title.

GRR

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by Jordann on Jan 15, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

My reply got lost for some reason...

But Tampa beat one team with a winning record this year, and it was a Saints team that had nothing to play for and pulled their starters early. Outside of that, they swept the NFC west and Carolina, and beat Washington, Cleveland, and Cincinnati. Props to them for taking care of business, I suppose. But I don’t think they’re any more legitimate than teams like Cleveland and Oakland.

by Nashmeister on Jan 15, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually the Texans get Oakland. Cleveland is part of the AFC North ;)

by Jonathan Loesche on Jan 15, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

we always get oakland

fucking raiders

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by nolander on Jan 16, 2011 3:04 AM CST up reply actions  

thats what happens

when you both suck for several years running.

I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.

by DaGoaT on Jan 17, 2011 7:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd for the soundtrack...

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by DilloTex on Jan 14, 2011 6:47 PM CST reply actions  

Honestly, the predictions actually weren't all that accurate

They actually have us as slightly above average in team DVOA rating to end the season, not to mention the 8.2 Expected wins that Rivers mentions above. Going by the updated projections here (this takes into account things that happened in the preseason), the actual prediction was 4.8 wins, with an offense ranked 21st in the league. They got the defense right, but missed badly on the offense (which they rank as the second best in the league).

by SATexan on Jan 14, 2011 7:40 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah I felt like they were right in a roundabout way

I remember arguing with Vince about some of the points (Schaubs injury “history” among them) and the only thing that ended up being correct about the projection was the horrible secondary. I can’t say the Cushing and Brown suspensions had a huge impact since we were 4-2 during that stretch, and Schaub started every game.

What it really came down to was the Q-Tip, Jets fiasco, Ravens OT and getting Tebowned. They were one play in each of those games away from being 4.4 wins off. I’m sure many teams have games that come down to a play or two, but I doubt any have had as dramatic examples as we did this past season.

by Jason Brown on Jan 15, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

They might be...

But their wins this year came over Cleveland, Carolina (twice), Cinci, St. Louis, Arizona, San Francisco, Washington, Seattle, and NO. Props for beating the teams you’re supposed to beat, I suppose… But when you’ve got the NFC West and two against the Panthers, you’re gonna win some games.

by Nashmeister on Jan 15, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

when i read this article when it came out i had to pause. after much whiskey and consideration i thought maybe they were on to something. yes, the texans had just posted their first winning season. but, that 2010 schedule was brutal. in no way was i surprised when they finished the year 6-10. depressing, yes. maddening, yes. but, not surprising. hopefully, they’ll get it turned around.

by bigmac78 on Jan 14, 2011 7:42 PM CST reply actions  

They were on the money

I’m not all that familiar with FO but that’s a pretty damn good analysis to be honest.

While you can make a solid case for the 3-1 record in Cushing’s absence, I think the overall impact of his suspension was pretty significant throughout the season. He had a very slow start when he came back, and didn’t have a chance to get into any kind of groove before DeMeco went down. And asking him to switch to Mike and make the calls was another set back. At the time I was calling for Bentley to slide into that spot and let Cushing do his normal thing, but it took a few games before Bush and Kubiak figured that out. Once they corrected that mistake we started to see flashes of the Cush from last year. Sure, roids have to be considered in all of this, but I’m still holding on to the belief that he’s a hell of a football player, regardless. I look for a rebound under Phillips….I hope I’m right.

I agree with you about the schedule. It wasn’t nearly as brutal as most of us expected, although some teams surprised me. A good team would have made the playoffs with our schedule, and we didn’t.

And they nailed our secondary….man, how true is that. I still can’t believe the decision was made to put that unit on the field. I was sure we would go out with either Reeves (who I personally didn’t think was that awful) or Freddy opposite Kareem. But to cut them both? After letting D Rob go?? Not a chance. Boy, was I naive.

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by Hydroshock on Jan 14, 2011 8:26 PM CST reply actions  

I both LULZ'ed

And LOL’ed.

Damn kids and their slang.

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 14, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

goo'd... /wipes tear from eyes...

The eloquence, the majesty… I’m moved… Oh wait… that was the beans, sorry…

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by DilloTex on Jan 15, 2011 12:53 AM CST up reply actions  

HAHAHA!

Who’s doing the write up for us this year? Has it been assigned yet?

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 15, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Something about

a broken clock being right every once in a while.

by Bobbythegreat on Jan 15, 2011 2:35 AM CST reply actions  

Then again

upon reading their stuff I realize that I like what they have to say…..

by Bobbythegreat on Jan 15, 2011 2:41 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah, except
due in no small part to the NFC East being weaker than expected.

We went 1-3 against said division, and our one took a FG block by Pollard, and incredible comeback, a lot of luck on the timeout by Kubes to ice the kicker, and a “best play in the history of the franchise” fourth down TD by the best WR in the NFL.

So, to me, saying the NFC East was weak is equally as impactful on our season as saying Cushing’s suspension hurt us.

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by texanphil on Jan 15, 2011 10:29 AM CST reply actions  

I don't think the fact that the NFC East owned us

means that it is a strong division. It WAS weaker than expected. The Redskins were a joke, the Cowboys had 1 win through about week 7 (we know who that win was against), the Giants were good but nothing amazing, same thing goes for Philly who is out of the playoffs already.

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by RocketsAstros on Jan 15, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

but to credit us before the season began

with only six wins and one of the reasons is because of our strong schedule, which included the NFC East, which beat us 3 out of 4, then to call that an incorrect prediction?

I don’t care if they went 0-15 in their other games, if they beat us 3 out of 4 they were strong enough v. us.

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by texanphil on Jan 16, 2011 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

It didn't seem to have much impact

But I had almost forgotten about Duane browns suspension

by AllenOU on Jan 15, 2011 12:54 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

yeah that one slipped my mind too

Brown was shaky as hell that first game back, but he seemed to settle in and play solid the rest of the year. Personally, I’ve never understood a lot of the criticism he gets from a lot of fans. I think he’s a pretty solid OT who has the occasional bad game just like everyone else.

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by Hydroshock on Jan 15, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

They were absolutely accurate

Kinda – sorta

The D backfield was pretty much nailed. Other than that – way off.

I think losing Barwin, Meco, and Daniels really hurt us bad. Yes Daniels, as teh Schaub seem to be better at finding everyone better when OD plays instead of leaning heavily on “the great one”

I am totally optimistic about the Texans new season - at least until the first of the 4 or 2 (if any) preseason games

by Barryfromtexas on Jan 15, 2011 3:10 PM CST reply actions  

About O.D.

This is a little off topic but bringing up Daniels made me think. If we did have to cut salaries to free up space for signing someone like Scrabble, I can see them letting him walk. As much as I like him, I also really liked what I saw from Casey. I think he’s got pro bowl potential if he gets the reps.

Don’t be surprised if we keep Dreessen, Casey, and Graham, and let O.D. walk to free up cap space.

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by Hydroshock on Jan 15, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

As much as I like OD...

I think you speak wisdom… OD has some of the best hands I’ve seen on a Tight End and has been a real game-changer in the past. But even Dreessen was looking like a viable pass target this year. I think we are solid at the “real” Tight End position.

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by DilloTex on Jan 15, 2011 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

If there is a TE taken in the draft this spring, I'm calling for Smith and Kubiak to hit the road

THAT would be the last straw… Who’s with me? Sharpen your pitchfork, now!!!

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by Rip Jersey on Jan 16, 2011 7:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather sand my bat for the dead horse beating

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by The Night Owl on Jan 16, 2011 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Pitchforking and batswinging

I think we have us a mob...

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by Rip Jersey on Jan 16, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

We still need someone to supply us with torches.

Before we can achieve mob status.

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by UprootedTexan on Jan 16, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Torches?

Did someone say torches? Just cleared my moms land of a bunch of cedar trees…..I have torches aplenty.

Just my $.02
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by txknight on Jan 18, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree.

We saw the fruits of our labor today, when Seattle lost to Chicago because they were thin at TE. Soon, it will spread to the rest of the league. Sure, Indy and SD’s back-up TEs still tore us apart last year… But once we sign those guys and draft a few more, we’ll have a complete monopoly on the TE market. The remaining players under contract will have their knees dealt with swiftly by Pollard.

by Nashmeister on Jan 16, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

I thought they lost to Chicago because they were a terrible football team.

I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.

by DaGoaT on Jan 17, 2011 7:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

Dreessen is more than dependable as both a receiver and run blocker, and the same can be said for Casey what he was able to contribute, albeit in limited action. And Graham was touted as being a Daniels clone, which is exactly the reason Kubiak drafted him. The only throw away is Anthony Hill.

I think they set themselves up with enough depth to compensate for Daniels in case of complications with his recovery. After all, he’s had several knee ACL tears so it’s highly likely he’ll begin to decline very soon. Well he’s healthy again but now his contract is up, and it doesn’t make any practical sense to sign him to a new deal worth Pro Bowl money when that cash can be used to sign free agents on defense.

Question is, how loyal will the Texans be to O.D.? Will Gary insist on keeping him or will Bob overrule and decide to sacrifice him to help improve the defense?

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by Hydroshock on Jan 16, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

This is one to watch

I think all us GMs here on BRB will be split on this. Me, I see enough promise in the guys backing up OD, that I think OD is replaceable. So, his bargaining position with the Texans takes a hit. But, his value to other teams may be higher. So, it wouldn’t surprise me if we see the Texans swing a deal.

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by Rip Jersey on Jan 16, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Do they have control of him or is he an UFA?

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by DilloTex on Jan 17, 2011 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Interesting point

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by Rip Jersey on Jan 17, 2011 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree.

Although OD is still further along then Dreessen and or other TE’s and to be honest OD is basically our number two WR behind AJ.Kevin Walter and Jacoby Jones were big disappointments to me this year and we really missed OD in the games he didn’t play in.But Kubiak does seem to know TE’s and I think we have the depth to make up for OD if we do decide to part ways.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 17, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

With all the issues facing this team

I wouldn’t mind it one bit if none of the brain trust gave TE a second thought.

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