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Battlefight: Haloti Ngata vs. Nnamdi Asomugha

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During one of the Open Game threads recently, and after I professed my love for Haloti Ngata (#nosetacklelust), Rivers brought up a great point.  Would you rather sign Ngata and a lesser CB?  Or would you prefer to sign Nnamdi Asomugha (aka Scrabble) and draft a DT/NT?  There's also the possibility the Texans would be able to sign a DT/NT instead of relying on drafting a player, but this is where the scenario gets a little sticky.

Scrabble was granted free agency because the Raiders were unwilling to pay him a minimum of $16.8MM.  It is feasible a team will be willing to match that number, but even at around $13MM, Scrabble will be one expensive cookie.  Basing this on pure speculation, I see Ngata closer to the $10MM range.  Albert Haynesworth's contract was for 7 years, $100MM, but that was given to him by crazy Daniel Snyder.

I'm going to add just one more thing.  For the 2011 season, Ngata will be 27 while Scrabble will be 30.

There's a poll below, but tell us what you think (and please be respectful to one another, mmmm-kay?).

Poll
Would you prefer to have...
Haloti Ngata and a second level CB
532 votes
Scrabble and a lower level DT/NT or fill with a draft choice
355 votes

887 votes | Poll has closed

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I voted for Ngata

Unless your name is Darrell Green, CBs, in general, do not age well into their 30s. Just the possibility of lining up Mario, Smith, Okoye, and Ngata makes me drool, especially with Cushing and Barwin as well. Plus, for the first time in the history of the franchise, we’ll have a legitimate beast in the middle.

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 19, 2011 8:07 PM CST reply actions  

Also

The 2 positions are by no means mutually exclusive. As this one site that used to exist once pondered, a better & more consistent pass rush using 4 DL = a better looking secondary.

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Jan 19, 2011 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Pass rush and the secondary

The idea that a better pass rush will have a direct impact on the secondary is not necessarily true. See this Lions blog that did some analysis last year (three parts in all).

As for the poll, I voted Scrabble mainly because I don’t think the contract numbers should factor in right now since the labor situation makes money too much of an unknown variable (I think Rivers points this out below).

by Pure Chapman on Jan 20, 2011 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

The idea that a better pass rush will have a direct impact on the secondary is not necessarily true.

I respectfully disagree. Mostly just because that is wrong.

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Jan 20, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not wrong.

The numbers show that pass rush does not automatically correlate to a better pass defense. The 2010 Texans are an excellent example of that. We had two DL in the top 10 in QB hurries, yet it didn’t matter because our secondary was atrocious.

And you’re not wrong, per se, either. I wasn’t trying to imply that the pass rush can’t help the secondary; I just wanted to point out that you don’t make upgrades along the DL with the explicit goal of improving your secondary. If the secondary is the team’s biggest weakness, then you fix that by getting better CBs and safeties (or better coaching), not by bringing in a stud DT.

by Pure Chapman on Jan 21, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I think the key thing is that even the worlds greatest pass rushing teams don't get their ever time

and I’m not talking about just sacks. A great pass rush might lead to a few more big plays, but it’s not enough to consistently overcome bad coverage. It doesn’t do you any good to get a sack and put a team in 3rd and long if your secondary just allows a huge first down play. Or you cause a bad pass but stone hands drops it.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Jan 21, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Loved that article

Interesting stuff in there.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Jan 21, 2011 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

great points

Safety and NT are our biggest needs anyway, IMO.

by Cut Block on Jan 19, 2011 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Age was the deciding factor for me too

CB is a position where losing even a few steps can take you from incredible to average or bad. Ngata just does everything and having a player like that to build a 3-4 around would just be amazing.

by was385 on Jan 19, 2011 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

We already have a star D linemen in Mario

but young inexperienced CBs. Secondary is our biggest weakness

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

by Joe25 on Jan 19, 2011 8:10 PM CST reply actions  

I agree

I voted to bring in Scrabble. The experience on the back-end would improve us more than the upgrade on the line.

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by distant_texans_fan on Jan 19, 2011 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

The theme for 2010 was a historically bad pass defense, first and foremost. But, some of us suspect that there are spots on this defense that are even poorer than CB.

Should we break the bank and make a desperate move for this one spot?

Shelling out our cap space for just one guy would merely be a cosmetic change, I fear…

by Cut Block on Jan 19, 2011 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

The needs are many and space needs to be maintained for other players currently on the team coming up for contract renewals. I suspect that the Texans won’t go on any FA shopping sprees and they will instead settle for one smaller off the shelf player who can start somewhere on the team and fill in the rest with up and coming existing Texans and future draftees.

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on Jan 19, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, that's worked for us so far

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Jan 20, 2011 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

It's worked on offense.

And maybe with a real DC, it can work on defense, too.

by NWestTexan on Jan 20, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

true enough

we can’t realistically expect a front office to form their roster by using a fantasy football mentality

by Cut Block on Jan 20, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I voted Ngata...

Because a CB will primarily enhance pass defense… Whereas a planetoid at NT will enhance both pass defense AND run defense, IMO…

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
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by DilloTex on Jan 19, 2011 8:15 PM CST reply actions  

NGATA

Easy pick. QBs can ignore Nhamdi. Noone can ignore NGATA. In related news, a friend once asked me if the Texans could sign any single player in the NFL, regardless of contract situation, who would I pick. I immediately said Troy Polamalu, but upon further inspection, it’s gotta be Ngata.

by CanadaGoose on Jan 19, 2011 8:16 PM CST reply actions  

And by "ignoring" Nhamdi

they’re also ignoring their best receiver. BIG advantage for a defense.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Jan 19, 2011 8:22 PM CST up reply actions  

not this year

they told him to “shadow” the other teams top WR.

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

by Joe25 on Jan 19, 2011 8:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Why are we talking about this?

Is there really a chance the Ravens let him go?

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by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 3:05 PM PDT

by BravesRaleigh on Jan 19, 2011 8:18 PM CST reply actions  

Let us dream....

and No chance

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

by Joe25 on Jan 19, 2011 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Prob not but you need to have IMAGINATION to make this come true!!

You are such a good friend that if you and me were the last two people trapped on a sinking boat with only 1 life vest left, i would remember and pray for you every day.

by Antho10000 on Jan 19, 2011 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Jan 19, 2011 8:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Holy Durga, this one was tough

That’s like asking me if I would rather have sex with a the playmate of the month or playmate of the year……can I have both?!?

I’ll take Scrabble. Ngata is AWESOME but truly great CB’s are much harder to come by. NT’s still have rely on other d-linemen to be successful, whereas someone like Scrabble can single handedly take away a team’s best WR.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Jan 19, 2011 8:20 PM CST reply actions  

no its not?

playmate of the year is obviously better than playmate of the month… lol

by CanadaGoose on Jan 19, 2011 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

as always, it depends on one's tastes

Some folks prefer redheads. Some prefer long legs. Others prefer bald, fat, lushes. Some even like transsexual Filipinos dressed in koala costumes. No shit.

by Cut Block on Jan 19, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

You're sweet to mention me.

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 19, 2011 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

ahhh

I now sense you that were referring to your own prefrences. Which fall under that last tidbit (tranny Filipinos in furry costume), I’m assuming?

I’m so naiive sometimes. My offer stands; regardless.

by Cut Block on Jan 19, 2011 9:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear you need a panda costume and biscuits and gravy...

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Jan 19, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

deal

as long as that sock puppet makes its appearance

by Cut Block on Jan 19, 2011 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

There was also talk of cock flavored lollipops but I kinda' missed how those factor in...

…by closing my eyes, covering my ears and chanting “LaLaLaLaLaLaLa…”

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Jan 19, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

shhh

those are for Bryan and Rivers’ “bonding” time

by Cut Block on Jan 19, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I was wondering what the kids were calling that these days...

…good to know.

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Jan 19, 2011 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

fuh realz playah...

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Jan 20, 2011 7:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Kinda' like TTFN... updated...

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Jan 20, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

kthxbai!

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 20, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

nice one...

I’m not quite ROFLMAO, but still impressed nonetheless.

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Jan 20, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

FOAD?

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Jan 21, 2011 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

/properly chastened...

Prolly shud letitgo now…

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Jan 22, 2011 8:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Uh, Ngata. All day.

Since he’s restricted, there’s even less of a chance than Nnamdi, but a man can dream.

by HoustonDiehards on Jan 19, 2011 8:20 PM CST reply actions  

Is he a UFA or RFA?

I can’t find a definitive source that says either way, though this says UFA.

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 19, 2011 8:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Ngata is a RFA if there is no CBA

I think

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

by Joe25 on Jan 19, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

i believe he will be ufa

He will get resigned before he ever hits the market

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Jan 19, 2011 8:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

im definitely an it all starts in the trenches guy

In a vacuum I would pick the stud DT every time. However, I’m MUCH more comfortable with our d line than I am with the secondary. They are both special players, so the deciding factor for me is age. If I’m going to spend big money I would rather spend it on the Guy entering his prime. Scrabble has shown no sign of decline, but it will come much sooner for him than ngata.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Jan 19, 2011 8:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

of course I'll be shocked if ngata doesn't get re-signed

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by papabear on Jan 19, 2011 8:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I tend to agree with this thought proceess, pb

Conversely, predicting the prime (or anything) of a 27-year old, 350 pound(!) DL to last longer than the 30 year-old corner (who opposing teams tend to avoid) is foolhardy. It might happen, but then again, that thought process probably is more of a wash, when considering these particular options (at their quite similar age).

by Cut Block on Jan 19, 2011 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

most cb decline after 30

DT can usually still be effective well into their 30’s because it doesn’t matter if they lose a step. For a corner losing a step is a disaster.

Assuming no major injuries of course. Look at the ages of the top players at each position. Hell there’s plenty of DT who don’t even hit their stride until they are in their late 20s.

Three years is a big difference in football years for any position

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Jan 19, 2011 9:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

C - All of the Above

I’m still waiting for this choice…

But limited to one I’ve got to go get Scrabble. Just as a good D-line will help the secondary a good Defensive Backfield will allow more blitz packages.

Besides above average DB’s are much harder to come by than above average D-linemen

by FreeRange on Jan 19, 2011 8:35 PM CST reply actions  

It doesn't matter

how good a pass rush is if their WRs are open already.

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

by Joe25 on Jan 19, 2011 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I second this logic.

Ngata, Reggie White, creative blitz packages… None of it matters with the coverage we have. And Shaun Cody is 100x better at his position than Kareem Jackson, Brice McCain, Eugene Wilson, and Pollard are at theirs.

by Nashmeister on Jan 19, 2011 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

A great pass rusher can tip the ball at the line of scrimmage

Remember when Ngata tipped the pass & picked it off against us a few years back?

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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jan 19, 2011 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to mention...

There is a very good chance that a premier DLineman will fall to us in the draft.

by FreeRange on Jan 19, 2011 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Fuck this shit

I won’t BOTH of them. Seriously

by AllenOU on Jan 19, 2011 8:41 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I could be talked into having their FS now…

by LouisianaTexan on Jan 20, 2011 2:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

If we could only have one...

I would have to go Scrabble, I’m sick of seeing guys like Tebow just throw the ball up cause he knows the receivers aren’t covered

GO TEXANS!!!!

Our time will come...

by Texanmaniac on Jan 19, 2011 8:44 PM CST reply actions  

Give me Ngata and someone like Carlos Rogers, Brent Grimes, Ike Taylor...

… Josh Wilson, Drayton Florence, Brandon Carr, Kelly Jennings, or Eric Wright, please.

Ngata is one of the best players in the game. Also, it’s a pipe dream because he’s not leaving the Ravens. Ever.

by krkenney on Jan 19, 2011 9:32 PM CST reply actions  

Except I saw on the Fanshots page that Ngata is set on being a free agent.

Did I miss something or was something on the internetz wrong?

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by UprootedTexan on Jan 19, 2011 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I haven't read that.

But I honestly can’t fathom why either would want to part from the other. The Ravens get a whole lot worse on defense if they lose Ngata and I have to imagine with that in mind, they’ll throw as much money at him as any other team would.

by krkenney on Jan 19, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah. I see what you're talking about, now.

Perhaps I should have read the link to the FanShot I commented on >_>

by krkenney on Jan 19, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

there isn't any reason

The Ravens wouldn’t just franchise him. He won’t be leaving except on their terms.

I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.

by DaGoaT on Jan 20, 2011 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

there is no FA until new CBA

and I don’t see any way they do away with one of the most powerful features a team has of retaining valuable assets. I throw out the idea of a CBA without a tag option because I just can’t see it as plausible.

I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.

by DaGoaT on Jan 20, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

The Ravens have also said that getting Ngata signed is their #1 off-season priority

Ngata might want to test free agency, but it’s going to take a mint to get him away from Baltimore.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Jan 20, 2011 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to have to side with getting Ngata.

Here’s why. I’ve been crunching numbers and top flight NTs, on average, cost less than top flight CBs.

Average Salary for CB: $11M/year (for the better corners in the league)
Average Length of Contract: 4 years (again based on better corners)

Average Salary for NT: $6M/year (higher level NT)
Average Length of Contract: Also 4 years.

Let’s suppose that Uncle Bob goes nuts and signs Ngata to a 5 year 9 million dollar per year deal; which is a better deal than Vince Wilfork got. That leave money in the kitty to sign a mid-level corner like Richard Marshall or Jonathan Joseph.

It would be nice to get a shutdown corner but to get one would mean smashing the piggy bank into a million pieces and I’m willing to bet that would be the only signing we get; and that’s before the draft, where an 11th pick will not be cheap. It would also open up our options more in the draft so that we’re not completely committed to getting Stephen Paea with that pick. We would have some leeway, not a lot, but some.

And since we have so many glaring holes on defense, it would be nice to take care of multiple issues in one fell swoop as opposed to getting one top-flight FA, then hoping we nail our draft picks and do nothing else in free agency.

Versatility is our friend, especially when it comes to personnel.

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by UprootedTexan on Jan 19, 2011 9:33 PM CST reply actions  

Methinks Ngata will get more than that.

Not quite Haynesworth type overall money, but a more balanced deal that pays him $10-11 million per year. Wilfork is great, but he tends to go under the radar, and the Pats franchised him so he never hit the free agency market. Ngata, on the other hand, is pretty widely recognized as one of the best D-linemen in the game. Not to mention he’s young and doesn’t bring any baggage with him… With the amount of 3-4 defenses in the league right now, it’s hard to imagine him not becoming the highest-paid defensive player in the game (or at least second, once you throw out that silly Haynesworth contract).

by Nashmeister on Jan 19, 2011 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you on this one

Voted Ngata since he would be cheaper, and leave cap room for a corner. We need upgrades all over the defense, and Ngata plus a 2nd tier corner still = 2 upgrades. Also, if you control the lines you control the game. Plus we will need more than one NT on the roster in case of injury, meaning we will likely draft one too, and Ngata seems like a good guy for a rookie to learn from, vs converting, say Mitchell or Okoye. Of course, we will get neither in reality.

by JBal on Jan 20, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

You guys remember a guy named Cunta?

Did you see the contract they gave HIM?? That’s what “starting CB” free agents get in the offseason, and I’ll say Jonathan Joseph and Richard Marshall are better than Cunta.
All the “starting CB”level players are going to get retarded money. The only difference is that Scrabble is going to get retarded, naked-bfd-ugly money.
Point is, you either get a superstar and scrubs, or a couple of starters. God Bless Bob, Rick, and Co. if they can figure out a way to prove me wrong.

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by beefy on Jan 21, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

This is a Jeopardy question, right?

What are two players who would never be caught dead in a Texans uniform?

by SubCrim on Jan 19, 2011 10:26 PM CST reply actions  

Lessee
Scrabble was granted free agency because the Raiders were unwilling to pay him a minimum of $16.8MM. It is feasible a team will be willing to match that number, but even at around $13MM, Scrabble will be one expensive cookie. Basing this on pure speculation, I see Ngata closer to the $10MM range. Albert Haynesworth’s contract was for 7 years, $100MM, but that was given to him by crazy Daniel Snyder.

I could easily see Ngata getting as much as Scrabble on the open market. At this point nearly all of this is speculation, especially with no CBA, which is why I tried to specifically not mention caps, dollars, or whathaveyou in my original phrasing of the question. Coincidentally, wouldn’t crazy Daniel Snyder be actively bidding on Ngata to replace Haynesworth? Doesn’t Ngata have a much better on-field reputation for effort and such? I think phrasing the question this way leads it a little bit.

Anyway, I personally take Scrabble, and here’s why:
-A rarer and more exclusive talent than Ngata. There are many good defensive tackles to add to the line, there’s only two cornerbacks (Scrabble and Revis) who can reliably shut down a wide receiver.
-Fills a much bigger position of need for the Texans.
-The Texans, with the offense they have, need to be in a win-now mode. I’m not so much worried about diminishing returns on a contract, especially since NFL contracts aren’t guaranteed, as I am worried about the boost it would provide the team right now.
-While Nmandi is older, he’s also got quite a ways to decline from. He’s proven over the years to be one of the elite cornerbacks in the NFL. Ngata, according to BFD’s friends at PFF, hasn’t always played up to the hype.
-Injury risk: Front seven players tend to have to deal with more dings then cornerbacks, and if I’m paying elite money to somebody, they’d better be able to stay on the field. While they’ve both started about the same number of average games, I think the net risk leans towards Scrabble.

by riversmccown on Jan 20, 2011 4:24 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I agree with Rivers

voted for Scrabble. Shutting whoever the other team’s #1 down is huge. Plus he’d be ideal for the younguns to learn from.

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by HoustonTransplant on Jan 20, 2011 4:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think you should underestimate how vital finding a nose tackle is for this defense.

No matter who we put in the secondary, if we’re putting Shaun Cody, Amobi Okoye, or Earl Mitchell in the middle of this defense, we’re going to fail miserably. DeMeco Ryans, who’s already not that great and is coming off a severe injury, has suffered immensely from having to play behind our terrible DTs. Putting undersized Ryans and Sharpton behind back-up-under-tackles-for-a-4-3-in-a-best-case-scenario-for-these-scrubs is going to kill us.

I don’t think we have a shot at Ngata, but signing Aubrayo Franklin, Pat Williams, Alan Branch, Gabe Watson, Gerard Warren, John Henderson, or drafting Paea or someone similar should be the number one off-season priority, even over signing a new corner.

by krkenney on Jan 20, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Being a Ravens fan

What if we keep Ngata and sign Scrabble

by TheShadow on Jan 20, 2011 5:10 AM CST reply actions  

That's probably more likely than the Texans getting any one of them

"You know what they say - Fool me once: strike one. But fool me twice... strike three."

by RocketsAstros on Jan 20, 2011 5:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Nnamdi is a corner who has 2 - 3 years as a top DB.

he gets my vote because it takes 2-3 years for rookie DB’s to develop into his caliber of player. a DT can come in day 1 and make a difference with proper ability / coaching / scheme.

looking at the draft and there being more DT than DB in the first round or so, i’d say we (hypothetically) get Scrabble to immediately help out AND grab a DT to most likely immediately help out

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by BattleRedHusker on Jan 20, 2011 6:32 AM CST reply actions  

Scrabble would be manna from heaven! YAY SCRABBLE!!

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by TexansForever on Jan 20, 2011 9:14 AM CST reply actions  

If I didn't have kids

I would so buy this t-shirt.

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 20, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

If I had kids

I would probably buy them this T-Shirt….which might explain why no women would ever want to have my children. It does explain why I’m the “cool” uncle though.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Jan 20, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Pfft

you know you already own it.

"Eff you mothereffer!"

-Bernard Pollard-

by Jordann on Jan 20, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

but my illegitimate kids probably don't

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by papabear on Jan 20, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I voted Ngata last night from my phone and Scrabble from work this morning

Seriously can’t make up my mind.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Jan 20, 2011 9:55 AM CST reply actions  

Ngata And Scrabble Are Pipe Dreams, But I Voted For Ngata

I’m bracing myself for Travis Johnson and Fred Bennett.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Jan 20, 2011 10:04 AM CST reply actions  

Yup... /bitter facepalm

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Jan 20, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Too bad we can't make a run at Tramon Williams right now

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jan 20, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

How about

second rate DT/NT and a second rate CB. With potential to excel of course.

And isn’t Ngata a DE?

"Eff you mothereffer!"

-Bernard Pollard-

by Jordann on Jan 20, 2011 10:24 AM CST reply actions  

Ngata plays DE and NT.

But if Phillips thinks Okoye, Mitchell, or Cody can play NT, Ngata sure as fuck can.

by krkenney on Jan 20, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Ngata has a good 35-50 lbs on all three of them

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jan 20, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

rec'd... by the way...

…for “Battlefight”… It speaks to me in a Paklid kinda’ way…

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Jan 20, 2011 9:33 PM CST reply actions  

Finally!

My fee fees were hurt without a compliment on that.

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot

by bigfatdrunk on Jan 21, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Dillo

You prolly shouldn’t have done that….now he’ll be complacent as hell for the rest of the off-season. bfd, just might pull a Jake now and take a few months off for rec-time. You have to learn to hold the praise a bit more….

bfd, the use of “Battlefight” was a bit cliche in my mind, and frankly, since one of them outweighs the other by about 70 lbs, a mismatch…. Sorry bigguy, I just had to bring you back down to earth. Your welcome.

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on Jan 22, 2011 7:26 AM CST up reply actions  

/laughing... "Confessions of a Rec Whore..."

“Hi, I’m Dillo and I’m a rec whore…”
“Hiiiiii, Dillo!!!”
My other favorite shtick is the “Wherein BFD reveals the true depth of his love and affection for Panda Suited mammal-type creatures who can be trained to walk on their hind legs… (Jordann included)”

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Jan 22, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

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