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Mayock’s First Top Fives: A Few Surprises

Mike Mayock is considered by many as the best draft analyst in the business, and for good reason.  Mayock is not only good at forecasting the selections of teams in the draft, but he probably does the best of evaluating talent based on watching hours and hours of tape.  While he doesn’t have the best on-air persona for a broadcaster, I think his knowledge more than makes up for it and he is probably underutilized by the NFL Network.

Mayock will be featured prominently this week during NFLN coverage of the Senior Bowl.  In preparation for this week’s activities, which will provide the first in-depth look at top draft prospects, Mayock provided his top five players at each position for this draft class.  As expected, Mayock’s top five looks a little different than most prognosticators.  Follow the jump to see his top fives, as well as my reaction.

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Author's Note:  I tried to find the best video for each prospect, but as you can imagine some were easier to find than others depending on what position they played and how big of a program the school they attended has.  The individual names are linked to the videos I found best, enjoy.

                                                                                     Quarterback:

                                                                                     1. Blaine Gabbert – MIZ*

                                                                                     2. Jake Locker – UW

                                                                                     3. Cam Newton – AUB*

                                                                                     4. Ryan Mallett – ARK*

                                                                                     T-5. Andy Dalton – TCU

                                                                                     T-5. Ricky Stanzi – IA

                                                                                     T-5. Colin Kaepernick – NEV

                                                                                     T-5. Pat Devlin – DEL

Reaction:  Mayock usually has a few different prospects tied for the fifth position, which he delineates as the second tier.  Further explaining, he believes that when you get to this second tier, it’s less about who is better and more about who you think fits your team and the offense they run better.  People are pretty down on Jake Locker right now, but he obviously has talent, considering he was believed to be the best quarterback in the draft last year.  I’ve heard several rumors that Mike Shanahan really likes Locker, and it wouldn't be the first time he picked a QB with unrefined physical gifts from a substandard college program, a la Jay Cutler.  Also, third might be the right spot talent wise for Newton, but I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole in the first or early second round and hand him the keys to my franchise.

                                                                                     Running Back:

                                                                                     1. Mark Ingram – ALA*

                                                                                     2. Daniel Thomas – K ST

                                                                                     3. Mike LeShoure – ILL*

                                                                                     4. Ryan Williams – VT*

                                                                                     T-5. Jacquizz Rodgers – ORE ST

                                                                                     T-5. Kendall Hunter – OK ST

Reaction:  This is as high as I’ve seen Thomas on anyone’s list, and while I would give him the edge over LeShoure in terms of vision, he seems to lack the elite burst that you’d expect from the second best running back.  Having said that, while there’s no elite speedster like Jahvid Best or C.J. Spiller, this position group is deep in terms of "complete" backs to include the aforementioned Thomas and LeShoure, as well as Williams and Ingram.  Running back isn’t even close to a need for the Texans, however, and I would only see one added as an undrafted free agent.

                                                                                     Wide Receiver:

                                                                                     1. A.J. Green – UGA*

                                                                                     2. Julio Jones – ALA*

                                                                                     3. Jonathan Baldwin – PITT*

                                                                                     4. Titus Young – BOISE

                                                                                     T-5. Jerrel Jernigan – TROY

                                                                                     T-5. Greg Little – UNC

                                                                                     T-5. Randall Cobb – UK

Reaction:  No real surprises here, as this is almost everyone’s top three and the rest are up for interpretation.  To be honest, I haven’t spent that much time diagnosing the wide receivers because there is zero chance we take one until round three, or at least there shouldn't be.  For those that have suggested we should take Jones at 11 if he’s the best player available, that might be the case but it would still not be smart to select him.  Do we need a legitimate deep threat to move Kevin Walter over to the slot?  Yes, but as has been shown by guys like Mike Wallace and Jacoby Ford, you can find a great deep threat in the middle rounds.  You draft a wideout in the first if you need a difference-maker.  I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of Andre Johnson, but if you haven’t, go to Youtube and have fun.

                                                                                     Tight End:

                                                                                     1. Kyle Rudolph – ND*

                                                                                     2. Lance Kendricks – WIS

                                                                                     3. Luke Stocker – TEN

                                                                                     4. DJ Williams – ARK

                                                                                     5. Charles Clay – TUL

Haven’t really concentrated on tight ends either because we don’t need any.  Even if we lose Owen Daniels, I’m sure Kubiak will give James Casey and Garrett Graham a chance rather than draft one [insert inevitable TE joke here (insert "that’s what she said" joke after that)].

                                                                                     Guard/Center:

                                                                                     1. Mike Pouncey – UF

                                                                                     2. Stefen Wisniewski – PEN ST

                                                                                     3. Danny Watkins – BAY

                                                                                     4. John Moffitt – WIS

                                                                                     T-5. Rodney Hudson – F ST

                                                                                     T-5. William Rackley – LEI

Dispite all of my praise for Mayock, I’m starting to think he has a problem leaving players out and doesn’t get the top five concept.  It’s your lists, Mike; if you want them to be top sixes, do your thing.  This is the last position group that I think where there isn’t at least a possibility that the Texans might draft one of the top five.

                                                                                     Offensive Tackle:

                                                                                     1. Nate Solder – COL

                                                                                     2. Anthony Castonzo – BC

                                                                                     3. Tyron Smith – USC

                                                                                     4. Gabe Carimi – WIS

                                                                                     T-5. Ben Ijalana – VIL

                                                                                     T-5. Derek Sherrod – MISS ST

While there aren't any polished, ready-to-start tackle prospects this year, there is sort of a log jam of players that probably belong with a second round grade.  I’m intrigued by two players on this list.  Smith has been lauded as one of the most athletic tackles in years but is very raw and needs a few years to develop.  We won’t know until after the draft if someone is going to pay Rashad Butler, but Smith would be a great developmental project to back up Duane Brown.  The other is Carimi.  He doesn’t have the feet to play on the left side, but is a mauler when run blocking and could be good insurance in case last season wasn’t an aberration for the Caveman.

                                                                                     Defensive End:

                                                                                     1. Da’Quan Bowers – CLEM

                                                                                     2. Adrian Clayborn – IA

                                                                                     3. Aldon Smith – MIZ

                                                                                     4. JJ Watt – WIS

                                                                                     5. Robert Quinn – UNC

This is kind of a strange list.  Bowers is a true 4-3 end, but Clayborn will almost certainly play the five technique.  Watt will likely do that as well, but there is a chance that a 4-3 team will draft him and play him as an under-tackle in the middle.  It has been widely assumed that Quinn will be converted to outside linebacker in a 3-4 and maybe Smith as well, although he has a better chance of playing with his hand in the dirt than Quinn.  I don’t like the idea of using a first round pick on a five technique because Mario Williams and Antonio Smith are well-suited for the starting spots.  I haven’t made up my mind on Smith yet, but I’m not crazy about him giving up on plays in the little film I’ve seen of him, although I haven’t heard anyone repeat this concern.  I personally love Quinn.  I’d like to hear why Mayock (A) has him in this list and not LB and (B) has him so low.  I know there’s a huge concern since Quinn missed the entire 2010 season due to suspension, and he’s a junior so he won’t get a chance to work out for scouts until the Combine, but he has shown the best and most versatile pass rushing ability of the DE/OLB hybrids in this draft class.  More to come on Quinn soon.

                                                                                     Defensive Tackle:

                                                                                     1. Nick Fairley – AUB

                                                                                     2. Marcell Dareus – ALA

                                                                                     3. Corey Liuget – ILL

                                                                                     4. Jurrell Casey – USC

                                                                                     5. Stephen Paea – OR ST

Fairley and Dareus at the top is no surprise, but there are two names that you may not be used to.  Mayock isn’t the first to put Liuget third; in fact Todd McShay also just praised the Illinois product for his impressive play and said there wasn’t much separation between him and the top two.  If he lasts until the second I think he would be a steal, although I’m worried that more people will come around to Mayock and McShay’s thinking and he may not make it out of the first.  As for Casey, I have a feeling that this rating might be more about Mayock’s lack of confidence in Paea than his positive feelings about Casey.  At 6’1"/305, Casey isn’t any more fit for the NT role and he isn’t the penetrator that Paea is, so this seems like doubts in Paea’s worth in the first round.

                                                                                     Linebacker:

                                                                                     1. Von Miller – A&M

                                                                                     2. Akeem Ayers – UCLA

                                                                                     3. Justin Houston – UGA

                                                                                     4. Bruce Carter – UNC

                                                                                     5. Martez Wilson – ILL

I have to admit the more I see Miller at the top of lists generated by people I respect like Mayock and Lance Zierlein, the more I question my opinion of Miller.  I’m standing by my gut though.  I’ve seen no pass rush moves from Miller, just speed, albeit extremely impressive speed.  Anyone remember why Barwin was supposed to be ideal for the 3-4 in 2009?  He showed amazing athleticism during workouts like the Combine including speed (he ran faster than all but three LB’s despite being categorized as a defensive end at the time).  That doesn’t mean I think Barwin is ideal; it just means I think it’s not smart to spend our first round pick to draft an incredibly athletic edge rusher who has little besides speed when we did just that two years ago on a player who we’ve supposedly been developing for the last two years and has 20 pounds on Miller.  For an example of what I’m talking about in term of "pass rushing moves", watch Justin Houston disengage blocks with his hands while using speed and leverage to get the edge.  Houston is already at 263, and is a great reason why the Texans don’t need an outside rush linebacker at 11 unless there is an elite talent there.

                                                                                     Cornerback:

                                                                                     1. Patrick Peterson – LSU

                                                                                     2. Prince Amukamara – NEB

                                                                                     3. Brandon Harris – MIA

                                                                                     4. Aaron Williams – UT

I guess Mayock is making up for all of his six and seven player top five lists and short changed both the defensive back lists.  As opposed to most Texans bloggers, I’d be okay with taking a DB at 11.  Most people are in favor of waiting until at least round 2 or 3 because of a desire to sign a free agent for veteran leadership.  I agree, but you don't know what you can get in free agency this year until after the draft because of the CBA uncertainty, and even if you get a Champ Bailey or O.J. Atogwe, drafting a first round defensive back gives you the latitude to make moves like Glover Quinn to safety.  More importantly, it prepares for the future by adding depth, the lack of which got the secondary in this mess in the first place.  Amukamara won’t be there at 11, but if he was, Rick Smith should pull a hammy running to make the call.  Obviously trading down makes drafting a corner here more palatable, but sometimes that’s easier said than done and it’s not reaching if he’s your guy and won’t be there next round.

                                                                                     Safety:

                                                                                     1. Rahim Moore – UCLA

                                                                                     2. Ahmad Black – UF

                                                                                     3. Deunta Williams –UNC

Again, Mayock has an even shorter DB list, and again I would be okay with taking Moore in the first round.  Any thought that he will last until the Texans' second round pick is foolhardy, and the same may even be true for Williams, who I like as well.  They wouldn’t get drafted that high in another year with more typical safety depth, but not every team subscribes to the best player available theory and these players will get a bump if teams have a need.  It just so happens that the Texans have a bigger need than arguably any other team in the league (yes, tGC, I know what arguably means).  With such an abhorrent secondary and no guarantee of getting anything in free agency, I’d be really upset if a DB wasn’t taken in the first two rounds, especially considering how much less depth there is at those positions in this draft class.  Trade down in the first or even up from the second if you need to, but get it done.

That concludes the position groups and my reactions.  What's your thoughts, Texans fans?

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Surprised not to see Carter on the safety list

Moore is better, but carter is just as good as Williams or black IMO. A little small at 5’11 200 but a great value in round 2-3

Watch Von miller against the sooners. He has some nice moves besides speed, and I think he will be a clay Matthews possibly even better. And I love to hate on the aggies and whorns so no bias in this argument

I’d rather have jones at 11 but mainly due to the fact I don’t trust ric smith to make the right D pick at 11

by AllenOU on Jan 24, 2011 12:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Miller

Weighed in today at the Senior Bowl at 237. That’s REALLY small for a WOLB.

You know... for kids.

by Jake on Jan 24, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

wow that is small

he looked bigger in the OU, but no wonder he is that fast.

thanks for the info…. he could add 10lbs MAYBE, so 247-250 best case…… i dont know

by AllenOU on Jan 24, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not that small. There are plenty of OLBs who play in the 240s.

If he can bulk up by even 5 pounds going into the combine, I think he’ll be okay.

by krkenney on Jan 24, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

True

Go check out the Steelers LBs. Woodley is the only starter weighing in over 243. Miller will bulk up a lot more if needed to.

by randytexas on Jan 24, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Bulking up...

can hinder speed. Example: Slaton only put 10 pounds on and was slowed down in 2009.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Jan 24, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

This

You know... for kids.

by Jake on Jan 24, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Still...

A lot of those Steeler LBs that we wish we had hover around 235 or 240. Go look at their listed weights

by randytexas on Jan 24, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

And about Slaton

Evidence this year showed that he just lost confidence or something (Vison? if you could lose that), because he slimmed back down, but still wasn’t effective. And Foster ran wild behind the same line as year before.

by randytexas on Jan 24, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Slaton did lose his vision

He had vertebrae fused together in his neck, during the previous offseason. Therefore, the range of motion in his neck was limited in 2010… and may always be, from here on.

I can remember him getting a few carries early in the season. I can remember him diving forward (for what would have otherwise seemed like no reason), once he broke free of the first wave; with the saftey closing in, in front of him.

The fact that he was even on our roster last season was testament to our lack of depth at RB and KR.

by Cut Block on Jan 24, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

How does...

Him diving forward because a safety was closing in have something to do with his vision?? Did he think the defender was an pool of pudding, awesome ball pit or something?

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Jan 25, 2011 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

he couldn't turn his head to see the defenders chasing him

he had plenty of open space to use, but dove forward instead

by Cut Block on Jan 25, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Guess I misread:

“with the saftey closing in, in front of him”

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Jan 27, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

In fairness

The line Slaton ran behind was down two starters and had a center who played the majority of the season with a busted ankle. He did lose something mentally though.

I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.

by DaGoaT on Jan 25, 2011 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

And yet Foster didn't use that as an excuse the last couple of games of last season

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jan 25, 2011 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

It's a very small sample size.

Against a couple of underwhelming run defenses, one of which sat their two best defensive linemen and had nothing to play for.

by Nashmeister on Jan 25, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Not only did they sit a bunch of lineman

they played with 5-6 LBs at multiple points in the game

I must not fear .Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain

by nolander on Jan 25, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

@DaGoat

Are you referencing Slaton and the o-line from ’09 or ’10? The play I referred to was during the 2010 season opener vs. Indy.

by Cut Block on Jan 25, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a little misleading

Considering Woodley, who weighs in the 260 range, plays the WOLB role that people are projecting Miller to play. If we were talking about drafting Miller to play ILB, we wouldn’t be so worried about the weight issue. Apples and oranges.

by Jake on Jan 24, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

good catch

But maybe this is more an issue of Harrison having a stout build (more so than Miller)?

by Cut Block on Jan 24, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

No doubt.

Harrison is stout, but that doesn’t make Miller un-stout just because he’s a couple inches taller. If Miller is sound in his technique, then an offensive lineman isn’t going to throw him around just because he weighs 5 lbs less than Harrison does.

by NWestTexan on Jan 24, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

and I believe that the crux of the matter is block shedding

both James Harrison and Von Miller are long-limbed, correct?

by Cut Block on Jan 24, 2011 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Miller is listed 80 2/8" wingspan and 34" arm length.

Going to show my ignorance on the subject and ask how well length translates to block shedding? I’m assuming reach translates to good ability to shed blocks providing you’re strong enough to keep them at arms length.

by NWestTexan on Jan 24, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

You got it right NWest

Long arms allows an edge rusher from getting enveloped by a blocker’s arms.

by Jake on Jan 24, 2011 8:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, the burned orange glasses won't let them see that, though...

Since his college has that pesky “A&M” after “Texas” he’ll surely be a bust and only drafted because Kubes went there.
That was sarcasm, but I refuse to use the font.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Jan 28, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Again, Apples and Oranges

The Steelers run a true, two gap 3-4 scheme. Woodley and Harrison rotate sides constantly, but Woodley is responsible for rushing more than Harrison. Look up any LB that played the rush role for Wade’s defenses, and I almost guarantee you won’t find one hovering around the 235-240 range. The reason being the great pass rushers use speed to set up the bull rush and vice versa. Watch Von Miller this week and tell me if you think he has the size/strength to truck an NFL OT.

by Jake on Jan 24, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually

In most 3-4 defenses, it’s the inside linebackers that really need to be stronger than the average 4-5 MLB as they’re taking on linemen and/or RBs more often and their ability to defeat blocks is HUGE in stopping runs up the middle.

You do see alot of the “tweener” defensive end/linebackers drafted to play 3-4 LB whereas they’d probably play 4-3 end… but I don’t think it’s really based on size so much… at least 1 OLB in the 3-4 will be blitzing on any given play, basically giving you your 4th defensive lineman. The “tweeners” are usually great pass rushers but the reason their NFL position is in doubt is because teams worry that they might be bullied a bit at the line and be forced to be situational pass rushers… As a 3-4 OLB, they can play every down as they can be given the pass rush assignment every play if their coverage skills are too limited, and they’re kept standing up wide at the line, giving them the advantage against tackles and forcing teams to give extra attention to them freeing up other rushers…

A bit winded, but basically what i’m saying is I don’t think that size is as much a concern for 3-4 OLBs as some let on, the main thing is speed, quickness, and good pass rush ability…. On Miller too, most “experts” that i’ve seen have commented on Miller’s vast assortment of pass rushing techniques… I can’t really speak on it as I haven’t seen him play much, but alot of people seem to think his multitude of pass rush moves is a strength of Miller’s.

by Bryan72076 on Jan 24, 2011 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

LoL

Didn’t mean to type “4-5 linebackers” obviously, though with our secondary this past season, it probably wouldn’t have affected our coverage that much…

by Bryan72076 on Jan 24, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

My Thoughts exactly Nashmeister

Many times linebackers become full back and QB’s DB’s… WHy couldn’t a super talented OLB become a SS if they have the speed and range of motion… why can’t they convert oversized OL’s to DL’s also. Remember Dickerson was a TE and now he is a WR….Holiday a 3rd down back and now a return man…

Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!

by TEXSON on Jan 24, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

true

but perhaps it’s foolish to spend the #11 pick on a position-changing prospect?

by Cut Block on Jan 24, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe.

Depends on what you see in him. I haven’t watched him enough to really know. But if they think he’s the best athlete in the draft and shows good enough instincts to and versatility to pan out at a couple of positions, then maybe he’s worth the pick.

by Nashmeister on Jan 24, 2011 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

Or maybe they could get him later? I’m trying to think of a prior precedent…

by Cut Block on Jan 24, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Even more foolish...

Is taking what’s basically a pass rushing DE and making him into a DB. This was a pretty dumb suggestion, if it was about Miller, as is almost every suggestion about anyone being moved to a DB position. It doesn’t really go that way.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Jan 25, 2011 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

agreed

And the only precedent I could think of, was Michael Boulware, who (I believe) was a SLB in college who transferred into a crappy pro SS.

Second round pick, too. Ugh.

by Cut Block on Jan 25, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you about Mayock

He is one of the few guys on tv who not only sounds like he knows what he is doing, but always hits on quite a few guys after all is said and done. I’ve also heard he has fielded offers in the past for GM jobs, so it seems others have noticed what he is saying as well.

I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.

by DaGoaT on Jan 24, 2011 12:23 PM CST reply actions  

i lost some respect for Mayock

last year in part to my Husker homerism. everyone on planet earth knew that Suh was the best DT (or player) in the draft and Mayock rode the “Gerald McCoy” train all the way to “Word Sandwich Station”
in my opinion McCoy performed at a 2-4th round pick level. not top 5 overall. but hey.. no doubt he is good at his job. and i’ll take him over “The Hair” anyday.

My body has built a tolerance to bleach. My favorite flavor is Lemon.

by BattleRedHusker on Jan 24, 2011 12:38 PM CST reply actions  

ill defend mccoy

but not against suh. and mccoy played like a top 10 pick. I know some bucs fans and he played through injury. BUT suh played like a top 10 player IN THE LEAGUE, not just his draft.

mccoy will be an is a stud, but he isnt and wont ever be on the level of suh. you cant lose respect for a guy based on being a homer ( which i am to a fault as well ) but there were plenty others out there who thought mccoy would be better as well.

I watched every snap of mccoy EVER, and all of suh his final year – and they were pretty close. after the big 12 title game suh really set himself apart, and some people didnt want to admit to being wrong.

and you must be honest, you probably havent watched all if any bucs games this year have you? no fault in that. but to say your opinion is he played like a 2-4 round pick without watching the games isnt really fair.

but simplified, SUH > McCoy and it isnt really close. Id happily take either one

by AllenOU on Jan 24, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

i saw a couple bucs games but admittedly never watched McCoy.

i did a stat comparison and was going off of what i had heard and read, which, in honesty was also very limited. i got blinded by husker vision and maybe might have thrown McCoy under the bus. but in my defense i never really said anything outlandishly bad about McCoy the whole time. the focus was on how Mayock was wrong.

My body has built a tolerance to bleach. My favorite flavor is Lemon.

by BattleRedHusker on Jan 26, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

The Hair is a novelty now

I think they only keep him around for entertainment value (or he’s a friend of Chris Berman….both should just go away now). McShay should’ve had that gig all for himself by now.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Jan 25, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel good about this draft

we have plenty of holes, but not like last year where there was a huge argument about what our largest one was.

I can easily see us getting three players from this post. I top 5 DT and LB and a top 3 safety.

by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 24, 2011 12:45 PM CST reply actions  

q carter in round three

or beal in round three

1 – darius DT
2 – smith CB from COL
3 – carter/beal

by AllenOU on Jan 24, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm starting to come around

On Justin Houston. He had times where he just seemed unblockable. Probably have to grab him in the second though.

You know... for kids.

by Jake on Jan 24, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

and this is what im trying to figure out

what is a better value overall

a guy like VON in the first

a guy like HOUSTON in the second

a guy like BEAL in the third

where is the best value, and it doesnt have to be these three, just that position in that round

from what ive seen Beal is a step below miller, but by a small margin….so would be a better value

by AllenOU on Jan 24, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I watched the Senior Bowl practice footage today

And didn’t like what I saw from Beal at all. He was given coaching before one of his 1 on 1 rushing drills and literally didn’t do ANYTHING the coach told him to do… Unless I was mistaken and he wasn’t the numbskull in question, i’m not sure i’d trust in his ability to be given instructions during games..

by Bryan72076 on Jan 24, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

You’re right. Beal stunk on Monday.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Jan 25, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

when we did just that two years ago on a player who we’ve supposedly been developing for the last two years and has 20 pounds on Miller.

I don’t get this. Barwin led rookie d lineman in sacks his first year and was injured in his 2nd.

I must not fear .Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain

by nolander on Jan 24, 2011 12:52 PM CST reply actions  

i think its because we all remember how bad the injury looked

people are jumping to the comclusion he wont be the same. It looked bad but was a clean ankle break, correct?

by AllenOU on Jan 24, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure

but that should have nothing to do with Miller unless Barwins injury is some sort of predictor that Miller will be injured. Barwin played well when he was healthy, yet Jake seems to be taking the tact that he in fact didn’t and thus Miller can’t be counted on. Maybe I’m just misreading it.

I must not fear .Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain

by nolander on Jan 24, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree with you

im stating how I THINK people are looking at this is all. I read it the same way but figured the two things have nothing to do with each other

by AllenOU on Jan 24, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe I wasn't clear

I was trying to say that drafting Miller at 11 is not intelligent because we have Barwin. I’m a big Barwin fan, but if someone wanted to draft an OLB at 11 who was dominant, I wouldn’t have a huge problem with that because that would allow us to move Cushing inside, but drafting Miller doesn’t make sense. But to be clear, I would start Barwin at WOLB as long as he is fully healthy above any OLB from this draft.

You know... for kids.

by Jake on Jan 24, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes I misunderstood

I didn’t realize you where specifically addressing us drafting him, I thought it was a general critic. I agree with your whole comment.

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by nolander on Jan 24, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we miss read

but what if the texans feel VON IS dominant…. then you take him, correct?

I think IF he can pack on the weight and not lose speed, then maybe

just sign david harris, lamar woodley, i dont know my kids name, and champ

problems solved

by AllenOU on Jan 24, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Phil Taylor

Weighed in at the Senior Bowl today at 337, but apparently didn’t look sloppy at all according to everyone I’ve read reports from. If he plays well this week, he might have to be taken in the second for the Texans to have a chance at him. He will be one of the players I will be locked onto all week.

You know... for kids.

by Jake on Jan 24, 2011 1:52 PM CST reply actions  

He has a lot of potential

Needs more motor.

Frank Bush delenda est

by JimboTexan on Jan 24, 2011 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

In fairness

Okam did have a law degree to fall back on, then again law firms ain’t been hiring much lately

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by The Night Owl on Jan 25, 2011 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Regurgitation

Do either of you have specific examples of when Okam’s effort on the field was questioned when he was with us, or are you just regurgitating what was a thought when he was drafted? I mean, if it was ever said by a coach, I’ll relent, but otherwise this is someone trying to sound like they know what they’re talking about when they don’t.

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by beefy on Jan 25, 2011 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Also there's also the ineptness of the coaching staff to develop or recognize talent

If it so pleases the court, I’d like to present Exhibit A, Tramon Williams

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by The Night Owl on Jan 25, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Williams went unsigned after we released him for almost seven months

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 25, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Right....

Yet another regurgitation and tired finger point.

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by beefy on Jan 25, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

He then took what

2 years to get regular playing time?

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by nolander on Jan 25, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

And didn’t become a full-time starter until this year.

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 25, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

sheesh

how did our staff miss this kid, while our fanbase was screaming from the top of their lungs to not only keep him, but to start him?

by Cut Block on Jan 25, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont think we should take a OLB in the first unless we traded down

But since trading down is never a guarantee i really have no clue what we should do. DT, another CB or BPA? Even if some guys like dareus and prince falls, what order of our needs provides the best value in this draft? Hopefully they fall so we can see what the front office will do

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by Antho10000 on Jan 24, 2011 2:53 PM CST reply actions  

IF I WAS RICK SMITH.....

….I would take Miller because he had the best music by far!

I believe that may even be Smith’s rationale.

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by TexansForever on Jan 24, 2011 3:11 PM CST reply actions  

And we could always say “It’s Miller Time”

by wkittinger on Jan 24, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

That's sacrilege around here

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by The Night Owl on Jan 25, 2011 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Are there any players named "Zima" in the draft?

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by DilloTex on Jan 25, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking more along the lines of a TE named Drano

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by The Night Owl on Jan 25, 2011 11:43 PM CST up reply actions  

The Rams or Pats need to trade up to get Julio Jones! And our 11 spot is just right for that.

Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo!

by Andre4000 on Jan 24, 2011 4:08 PM CST reply actions  

Rams first and 2nd

for our first and 3rd?

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by nolander on Jan 24, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Pats never trade up

Chiefs would be more likely, but since they want to be Pats west they probably won’t trade up either.

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by nolander on Jan 24, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Still want Paea

don’t care what any one says

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by Joe25 on Jan 24, 2011 4:19 PM CST reply actions  

Not at 11 though

If we trade down into the 20s I’m cool with that

The jets have crazy FA talent

Cromartie, pool, Harris, Ellis, Edwards, Holmes, all could be had

I’d take Ellis and pool in a heartbeat

by AllenOU on Jan 24, 2011 4:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Paea

Weighed in at 295 today. I don’t care what you say about the Jay Ratliff model, you can’t play NT under 300 pounds. Obviously he can add, but it seems like we’re trying to shoe-horn him into a position.

by Jake on Jan 24, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

why is his weight a problem?

when hes stronger than most DT’s. Here is his scouting report for Mocking the draft.

Strength: Paea is known as a weight room superstar and is one of the strongest players in the draft. His strength is evident in his playing style. If Paea gets good positioning, he can throw offensive linemen around or simply drive them backward.

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by Joe25 on Jan 24, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd.

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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Jan 24, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Name that guy...

Listed at 6’2" 315lb with a 33 1/2" arm length, this DT benched 475, squatted 605, and notched 33 reps at 225. Projected to not be a strong pass-rusher he would be excellent clogging the middle and standing his ground.

by NWestTexan on Jan 24, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Glenn Dorsey?

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by Joe25 on Jan 24, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

It's to our supreme advantage if Paea's value falls to the top of the second day.

If we can somehow take the BPA at 11 and trade up a bit in the 2nd to nab Paea, we just had two fantastic picks (on par with about how good the Cushing/Barwin 09 looks).

I’d be overjoyed if we managed to land Miller/Houston/Kerrigan at 11 and Paea without trading up (or at least not trading all the way back into the second).

by krkenney on Jan 25, 2011 8:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Out of those names

Houston’s starting to rise….need to see more, but I like what I have so far

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by TexansDC on Jan 25, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty much every one of these guys bulks up before the combine.

And again over the course of an off-season or two. I wouldn’t be overly concerned with the size. However, he just doesn’t strike me as anything special.

Liuget, on the other hand, intrigues me. Probably not a true 3-4 NT either, but he might be athletic enough to compensate for it. If they’re able to get somebody like Branch or Watson in free agency, I sort of like the idea of drafting a guy like that and mixing up the defensive by lining him up at DE from time-to-time, and DT on passing downs until he matures. If Wade is really as creative as we think he is, versatility seems like a good thing to have up front.

by Nashmeister on Jan 24, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Not so much with DTs.

Unless they aspire to be pass-rushing 4-3 DTs. And with the growing number of 3-4 defenses in the league, I’d imagine that the best chance to get drafted for most of these guys is to show that they’re big enough to hold their ground at NT.

by Nashmeister on Jan 25, 2011 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Everyone at the Combine

Wants/needs good 40 times. Every position to include O and D lineman care and get judged on it. Granted, linemen are usually judged more for their 10 yard split, but they are still judged none the less.

by Jake on Jan 26, 2011 7:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Truth

+1

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by Hydroshock on Jan 25, 2011 8:33 PM CST up reply actions  

good point, beefy

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by DilloTex on Jan 25, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

If you watch film on this guy, you would be even more impressed.

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by bone31crusher on Jan 24, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Aldon Smith getting some love.

I like it. Though, I’m not sure if I would put him over Quinn.

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by bone31crusher on Jan 24, 2011 5:19 PM CST reply actions  

I'm still on the Aldon Smith bandwagon.

I think this guy is going to be a stud. At the same time, I would not mind Paea.

I’m still not sold on Miller. I watched a load of gamefilm on him and all I see is a speed rusher with a great first step. He NEVER goes inside. If he would mix it up more, I’d like him. Can it be coached in the NFL? Sure. But Aldon Smith can already go inside or outside and have success more times than not.

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by bone31crusher on Jan 24, 2011 5:24 PM CST reply actions  

Being an OLB,

it’s pretty easily assumed that his responsibility was outside containment the majority of the time. Just saying.

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by beefy on Jan 25, 2011 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Smith was a DE in college.

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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Jan 26, 2011 12:26 AM CST up reply actions  

NEVER?????!!!!!!

Just in the small sample size jake provided I saw at least three times Miller went inside.

Just my $.02
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by txknight on Jan 27, 2011 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I am still counting on

Finding a NT driving a bus or garbage truck :)

I am totally optimistic about the Texans new season - at least until the first of the 4 or 2 (if any) preseason games

by Barryfromtexas on Jan 25, 2011 8:42 AM CST reply actions  

That's our strategy for finding safeties.

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 25, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

The truth hurts....

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on Jan 25, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I am still counting on

Finding a NT impersonating a bus or a garbage truck…

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by DilloTex on Jan 25, 2011 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

How about a NT impersonating a DB?

Thinking someone B.J. Raji-like

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by The Night Owl on Jan 25, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Or Punter

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 26, 2011 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I haven't read any of the other comments yet....

but I gotta say, I only saw one difference between Miller and Houston; and that is Millers technique of reaching to tackle, then swinging the guy down. As far as shedding blocks, vision, and speed, the two looked like carbon copies.

Just my $.02
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by txknight on Jan 27, 2011 10:12 PM CST reply actions  

I didn't watch much college ball.....

so knew nothing about J Jones, but after watching the highlight clip jake provided I understand peoples JJones mancrushes. Kid looked allot like AJ. Now that would be sick, two WR’s like that.

Just my $.02
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by txknight on Jan 27, 2011 10:28 PM CST reply actions  

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