The Shifting Polarity Of Matt Schaub
One of the hardest things about being an NFL fan is that compared to other sports, players have such a short lifespan with which to truly create a legacy for themselves. Andre Johnson, one of the greatest receivers in NFL history, has played 119 games in nine seasons. Or about what (searching for relevant Astro ... searching for relevant Astro ... target not found) Lance Berkman played in a season. With less information to go on, the opinions don't differ wildly on players who are obviously great or bad. Nobody would be able to call Johnson bad without being laughed out of the room, and nobody would be able to say that Kareem Jackson has been great while keeping a straight face.
The players in between those two classes? Those are up for debate.
Matt Schaub and these current Texans have been such a perfect blend of mediocrity over the past five years that Starbucks could buy the formula and start producing great-smelling java with a bitter aftertaste in all billion of its locations tomorrow. 3-2 again after five games, yet another chance blown to go three games above .500 for the first time in franchise history, and a possible long-term Mario Williams injury added to the mix.
But I don't want to clutter your head with statistics. I am pretty sure that I could win an argument on whether Matt Schaub's statistics warrant better treatment than he got yesterday. I'm also pretty sure that doesn't matter to you. I'm going to toss aside the dreadfully boring and played out "Can this guy win a Super Bowl?" question, which conveniently ignores the fact that quarterbacks are not teams in and of themselves. Lets go with the other theoretical question I hear a lot: "Do you trust Matt Schaub to win a game in the fourth quarter?"
And I stop. Because I've seen both sides of the coin. The incredible comeback to tie up the 2010 Baltimore game, and the game-losing interception that was returned for a touchdown to end it. The 75-yard drive to win in Green Bay in 2008, and the ... I guess you'd call it a pass-ish thing(?) that lost this Sunday's game. When Schaub lofts a ball that requires the TV cameras to strafe in the fourth quarter, my sphincter does not clench in anticipation of failure. That likely isn't a popular sentiment in this city right now, but it is the truth. It doesn't mean I'm gung-ho excited about my chances, like I would be if say, Aaron Rodgers was our quarterback. It does mean that I expect some competently-thrown balls and a good chance of advancing the ball down the field.
I have a two-part theory about Matt Schaub's production compared to his respect. They both revolve around a typical thread: square pegs in round holes.
As I posited to you earlier, I believe there are players that, without much effort, we can clearly identify as great and awful. Schaub falls between those two spectrums. He makes some great throws, but isn't obviously great. He suffers a bit because of the way so much of the NFL is win or lose: what do you make of the spaces between that? The 8-8 seasons. The subtle teases of obvious talent that have yet to consummate in a playoff berth. A guy who clearly isn't the problem, but may also not be the answer. NFL quarterbacks get grouped in to classes: the franchise quarterback, the young quarterback who is developing, Brett Favre (the gunslinger), the clear backup, and most importantly for my purposes, the game manager. Matt Schaub fits none of those classes. He's better than a game manager, but because he's not completely elite, fans also don't trust him enough to know him as the franchise quarterback. Matt Schaub is the blandest outlier in NFL history. An ice cream cake at a kid's birthday. Someone who has to be figured out and worked around, not just relied upon.
And that blandness doesn't just stop there: it goes on to his skillset. Schaub doesn't have the pocket awareness of a Drew Brees. Hell, he may not even have the pocket awareness of Mark Sanchez. He doesn't have the obvious deep ball arm that someone like Joe Flacco has. He doesn't audible players around like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. He isn't hard to bring down like Ben Roethlisberger. And, honestly, he lacks the personality of a player like Philip Rivers. Schaub's background and interviews read like a James Bond dossier -- if he were a British spy assigned to play quarterback competently, shun the spotlight, and report back to his superiors, nobody would be questioning him.
It's the lack of a true Schaub trademark that I think hurts his brand with the fans. Nobody can point to one obviously great thing that Schaub does better than anyone on the field -- I would say he probably has the best play-action fake in the business, but nobody really cares about that. If you don't have your own calling card in the NFL, it will be minted for you -- and in this case, the records and the turnovers have defined Schaub more than his individual statistics and stellar accuracy.
Football fans without trust in their quarterback, much like the saying goes about women who can't trust their fathers, are people who can't really trust anyone. If yesterday's game changed that for you, and you're ready to give up on Schaub, fine. I get it. I don't agree with the sentiment that the Texans can't win with him, but I can see where you are coming from. His stock didn't suffer in my eyes, because for me, it has always been comfortably parked between Game Manager and Franchise Quarterback -- it's a level that, for lack of a better term, I like to call "Matt Schaub."
As for his performance in yesterday's game, all I have to say is that the number of quarterbacks who could muster 8.2 yards per attempt despite a total lack of a run game, a completely overmatched offensive line, no star receivers, and a backup tight end masquerading as his third-best option, is extremely small.
The number of quarterbacks who could do all that and lose is even smaller.
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Matt Schaub is the next coming of Tony Romo
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Not even close to that
Mario Williams and Antonio Smith on track for 16 sacks each this season.
by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
gotcha
Mario Williams and Antonio Smith on track for 16 sacks each this season.
by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
somehow this makes sense.
it hit me yesterday and im not trolling. he can win you some games and make you think he is the one. then he loses some like yesterday and he doesn’t feel like the answer. i think he has what it takes to win but he has to be in the zone. i will still take him over half the league but there is a reason why there are very few elite quarterbacks.
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Oct 10, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, the elite QBs you speak of don't win all their games and have lost games just like yesterday
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Honestly, I think that comparison isn't too far off.
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by riversmccown on Oct 10, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
With the caveat...
that Romo is more physically gifted (mobility, arm strength). Schaub doesn’t implode in EVERY pressure situation. Those two QBs are very similar.
by ahem! on Oct 10, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
teh Schaub is an enigma
That is how I can put it. He is all the things you said.
Mario Williams and Antonio Smith on track for 16 sacks each this season.
by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 10:41 AM CDT reply actions
He's a question wrapped inside an enigma
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
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Let's all panic, slit our wrists , fire the coach, fire the quarterback BECAUSE OMG WE LOST A GAME!!!!!!1111!!!!111!!!!
by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
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Texans 2011 Defense is evolving into an epic force to be reckoned with. I dub thee "Bayou Blitz" !!
for what it's worth. . .
I don’t think we’re having this conversation today if Vickers doesn’t drop the walk in TD pass.
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
So does that mean that Vickers is the Matt Schaub of FBs?
He can’t. Just. Win. Games.
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Nice read...
Echoes my sentiments. My problem is…too many Mondays spent not having this conversation “IF”… And that’s not about Schaub.
Excellent observations, Rivers.
Not sure what I think about all this, but a lot to think about there.
So frustrated....
Don’t even have words for this debacle.
Now Mario out.
Any word on Brisiel and Casey?
This could spiral really, really fast.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
On the last play of the game
why the f*ck is jackass Jacoby Jones standing….STANDING…F*CKING STANDING…behind a defensive back
instead of trying to get separation…head to the empty corner to help his QB, etc.
F*CK JACOBY JONES….go die in a fire you total piece of shit.
I’m not happy with Schaub at all, but the rest of the offense did very little to try and win this game. They just sleep walk, they don’t think, they don’t fight.
Classic Texans. We fix one thing (Defense) and we spring leaks elsewhere. The worst part is now many of us who maintained confidence in our WR depth in the pre-season are now standing here holding shit laden wet toilet paper in our hands in disgrace. Those folks out there demanding another WR from FA were spot on.
I still don’t feel better after that outburst. OK, I’ll go up and censor my comments…
Texans 2011 Defense is evolving into an epic force to be reckoned with. I dub thee "Bayou Blitz" !!
by MeMongo on Oct 10, 2011 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I don't think the offense didn't fight....
I think Richard Seymour, Lamaar Houston, and Tommy Kelly just kicked Smith/Myers/Brisiel’s ass all game. All game. Ass. Kicked.
As for Jacoby Jones, yeah…..move against Schaub (and away from the DB who is following him)….don’t just stand there like you don’t know where you are.
"Lord, beer me strength."
WRs in HS and College know to break away and get open, and help their QB (especially in the redzone)
I try to attend a HS football game each week, and a good friend of mine has a son being heavily recruited as an OL, so we have been to his games nearly every week. I’ve seen this take place NUMEROUS times by WRs who are 17 years old!
Jacoby Jones is 27 years old in his 5th season in the NFL and doesn’t do a damn thing to help win the game at the end. He just stands there with his thumb in his ass BEHIND a DB and watches his QB struggle and lose.
Fair catch on the 5 yard line?!!!
Targeted 11 times, caught ONE pass for NINE yards.
This front office needs to get a steel toe boot and start kicking the shit out of players who sleep walk. If they can’t produce, cut them and move on!
Texans 2011 Defense is evolving into an epic force to be reckoned with. I dub thee "Bayou Blitz" !!
by MeMongo on Oct 10, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, what system do they have in place for FAKE PUNTS?
Why doesn’t Marciano have a signal plan in place, where Jacoby is using hand signals for the half dozen guys running downfield to turn around and stop the fake instead of leading the guy for 20 yards…..
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thats not on jacoby.
USually everyone in the stadium, coaches, players, the 70000 fans should be screaming FAKE! FAKE! FAKE!!!
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by Carter Liles on Oct 10, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
The Broncos could be looking to trade Brandon Lloyd before the deadline
How about packaging Jacoby with a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Lloyd?
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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
i woukd not mind this
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
Last year on contract, won't be able to afford him next year
Plus they have Decker & Thomas (a 1st round pick), plus they probably want to get something for him
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
They could resign him or frnachise him.
Even if you offered them a 1st round pick they won’t want to sabotage Tebow’s chances when he’s playing. Plus Thomas is still a work in progress for them.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
What part of "won't be able to afford him" did you miss?
Franchising him would be way too expensive for the Broncos
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure what their cap situation is like and unsure how it would unfold in the offseason.
Not that difficult to think about.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
The fair catch at the 5 was mind numbingly dumb
Not all for the fair catch, but the way he caught the ball was a set up for a nightmare
"Lord, beer me strength."
+1 - Out with Jacoby, in with Mahel!
JJ sux. Two years ago – he was the punt muffing machine.
Last year, he caught a few balls during the “lost” season, but I’ve never been impressed.
He is not our #1 after AJ. KW is.
As for Matt – I don’t think Matt is as bad as you guys think. The other day, I was talking to some guys about David Carr. It wasn’t that Carr didn’t have skills – it’s that you can’t do much when you are laying on your back with a 300+ lb DT on your chest. If you look at the “elite” QB’s in the league – the common theme is that they have time to throw the football. They aren’t getting sacked. Good pass protection. When protection breaks down and they throw the ball “hot” – they don’t do so good. Look at what we did to Raplesberger – and then what he did to Tennessee. Is he better? Is he different? No – he had better protection for whatever reason.
Matt would be fine if he wasn’t getting beat up. Our offensive line got the shit kicked out of them yesterday. They did not control the line of scrimmage, and Matt and Arian paid for it.
We need to shitcan Jones. Maybe trade him for a guard or an o-tackle.
Fair.
However, I would disagree when you say Big Ben isn’t better than Schaub. I think he is easily better. However, to argue, Pittsburgh’s oline was very bad last season, and they were one drive away from winning the superbowl. While that is more the exception than the rule, I do understand what you are saying. For the most part, pass protection hasn’t been a huge problem for this team since 2 seasons ago, but we can have the chicken/egg argument there. Whether bad pass protection was b/c we were passing so much and couldn’t run the ball, or if the bad pass protection was leading to Schaub’s inability to be a good qb. .that is up for debate to be honest.
However, on your point on Jones: super agreed. Jones should be gone after this season, and Maehl should get a shot at least.
should have been more clear
Ben has other skills that make him better. Mobility, hard to tackle. Strictly from a passing sense though – I don’t think he’s any better than Matt.
ya, I'd agree with that.
He’s comprehensively better, but not “pure passer” better.
He wasn't actually.
At the moment that Branch steps up and Schaub decides not to run, JJ is in front of the corner. He breaks toward the post, however, instead of doing a square in. That’s why the CB was able to get underneath him and why the floaty ball was so bad.
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That's what I saw.
JJ appeared to be blocking for Schaub’s run, then made a break to the backside corner at precisely the same time Shaub decided to throw the ball. It is my opinion that Schaub failed to direct his receiver.
I really feel as though Schaub kinda blacks out in high pressure situations.
Kind of agree on the directing his receiver part
It seems to me that this is the sort of thing a receiver and QB combo that have been together this long should have already worked out a while ago. It should be second nature, something performed without extensive thought or second-guessing, something intimate.
That said, Schaub should have thrown it away.
Jacoby was blocking with his back? Boxing out?
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pick & roll?
Jacoby thinks he’s playing basketball? that says a lot actually
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So he should have staight turned his back on Schaub?
Schaub should have directed his receiver. JJ had no idea what Schaub was doing. Nor did I, and I had a bird’s eye view.
He was close enough to make eye contact with him.
yep.
Instead of Schaub causing the defense to react, he reacted to them. Completely agree memy..I don’t know what Schaub was doing either.
Why would he need to direct his receiver?
Jacoby was already in front of the defender. If he had just kept going he would have been able to catch the ball, or at least make a play for it. There was no reason for Schaub to think he would break the route off at that point.
I just watched the play again (thank you ESPN.)
JJ was pretty much always in motion. Maybe if he would have completely stopped he would have caught the ball, but if he continued his route the ball would have still been behind him.
Then again after hitting rewind rain man multiple times, Oakland’s 33, while pressing Schaub, took the passing lane away from JJ’s route. The only shot was if Schaub lobbed the ball to the back of the end zone, which seems what JJ was anticipating.
Though I am sticking with if Schaub (in that situation) feels he needs to leave the pocket w/ covered receivers, throw it away.
by memyselfini on Oct 11, 2011 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
totally agreed.
ESPECIALLY about Jacoby. Talk about a failed experiment.
i concur with all this, but wishing death over a game?
that is so disproportionate to jones suck-ass final play.. he ran to the middle but should of cut back to the sideline fadin back some.. andre woulda done that, hell, anyone probably wouldve besides this focused challenged misfit
the O choked, namely vickers, i promise i dislike this guy forever now
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Oh Matt....
I trust Matt to win a game in the fourth quarter, just as long as Andre is out there with him. He panics more frequently without him.
Kinda' inclined to agree...
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he has to be trusted no matter who is out there
i trust brady, rodgers, rivers, brees no matter wat before knowing who is on the field.. he must get to that level if he ever wana get this team over the hump
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aggressive or passive
From where I sit the main overarching problem is the philosophy of the coaches. When they are behind they are aggressive by necessity. When they are ahead they are trying to not lose the lead…and that let’s the other team right back in. The result is a failure to win decisively and to lose games that should be won.
I agree 100%
It’s like they coach scared and the team picks up the vibes or something.I would like to say that I am overreacting but the fact is they do this shit all the time It’s not like it’s a one time thing. I dont belive this team can play with the right mentality with Kubes as the head coach OC maybe but not as the leader of this football team. Hope to God I am wrong and Kubes turns it around fast but I just dont see it happening.
Jules=Now I want you to go in that bag and find my wallet
Ringo=which one is it
Jules=the one that says bad mother fucker!
totally agree
jtr. I hope cb3 is wrong too. But, I think the Kubiak era is slowly coming to a close here.
Like I said
I hope he can pull it around but he hasnt done it yet and time is running out fast.
Jules=Now I want you to go in that bag and find my wallet
Ringo=which one is it
Jules=the one that says bad mother fucker!
:(
let’s pray we don’t have to deal with that situation.
yup i call it, winning scared
kubiak needs to be the offensive coordinator, and bring in gruden or cowher to man this ship.. theres a reason why shannahan didnt trust him with the team up in the denver
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Jacoby Jones has got to Go.
And if you don’t have an elite QB you should always be looking. I think a lot of QB’s in the NFL would do as well as Schaub does if they had Arian Foster, Andre Johnson, Owen Daniels, Kevin Walter, Thor, and a good O line. Just saying. He has a lot of tools to succeed… That said, im with most of you… I have no idea what to think about Schaub.
This game is an EPIC FAIL.
No amount of “our guys can do it” can gloss over this steaming pile of fail.
And as the injuries mount, this is unlikely to improve.
Baltimore is going to FACERAPE us.
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Agreed completely.
I hope like heck that I’m proven wrong, but I don’t like the way this season is going now. While Mario isn’t “replaceable,” it sure seems like our defense is going to fall down a few notches w/o him, and our offense looked abysmal: namely b/c of Schaub. Why are people so scared to say he sux?? I don’t understand, it’s like TMac syndrome for this town all over again.
Offense was abysmal thanks to no running game.
Not saying Schaub didn’t have a bad game but several other guys didn’t step up when we needed them to. O-line, Rackers, Jacoby, Foster in the run game.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
The Oline was sufficient.
We can’t set the precedent that the oline must be flawless the entire game. They were loading up the box, so the running game was going to falter. They had the same problem, as we effectively stopped mcfadden too.
As far as Jacoby…when has he EVER stepped up?
3.1 yards per rush attempt.
That’s pretty bad not to mention they were pushed around quite a bit every time the Texans tried to pass. They had some good pockets but the Raiders D-line is bigger than usual and the Texans undersized O-line struggled with them.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
Agreed when the box has 7 or more it is the OC's job to enusure that there are enough possesion routes available
Then it is up to the quaterback to scan his options and pass it quickly. It is also the job of the recievers to clear space to give the quarterback the best opportunity for efficiency. Yesterday OD and Walter were doubled off and on and tightly zoned … but Jones was not… neither was Dreeson… however Dreeson made them pay for it and Jones did not.
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
yea, fear the banhammer if you say anything negative
about teh schaub.. i speak the truth, not blindness from my love of the team
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I understand the rage over his INT and if some want to boil the entire game down to 1 play and blame everything on Schaub than whatever.
But we had a ball tipped for an INT (Raiders lead the league in tipped passes for a reason) and had a blocked punt that resulted in 6 points (Texans lost by 5).
Racers for the first time in 2 years or something missed a FG (3 points left on the field) and Vickers dropped a TD (got 3 instead of 7 there which forced the Texans into a “TD or lose” situation).
Obviously the Schaub to Jacoby connection was not there at all. Joel dropped a gimmie 3&8 catch which killed one drive.
Raiders completely took the Texans run game away which obliterated the teams ability to move with any sort of consistency.
Jason Allen let DHB catch a little 4 yard hitch then promptly missed a tackle that turned into a 34 yard TD right before half time.
On the last drive of the game Texans converted 1&25 and 3&23 to get down to the 4. The last INT was a bad pass no doubt whether Jacoby’s effort to get open was enough (didn’t look like it to me) it was a bad pass since JJ couldn’t even jump for it.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
Who cares.
We were 6 yards away from beating a team at home that we should have beaten, and Schaub had the opportunity to win one for his team. He didn’t. Everything that happened before that was just football. They were mistakes no doubt, but they were overcome, and our entire team gave our “leader” a legitimate shot to seal the deal. Don’t pamper Schaub on this one. He should SOLELY take the blame for this one: just like Big Ben was doing last week.
by wiseonekms on Oct 10, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
no
thats fucking bullshit. We would have had the lead if special teams didn’t fuck us over over and over during the game, or if vickers didn’t drop that ball.
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by nolander on Oct 10, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
again: WHO CARES!?!?
They made mistakes too, that I wish they would want back. That’s not the point. Everyone makes mistakes in a football game, at the end of the day, did we have a legitamite chance to WIN this game!? YES. Who CARES how many mistakes we made. The Raiders had a PI, holding, roughing the passer in that final drive. We had 2:00 minutes w/ 0 timeouts to win that game. And we got to the 5 yard line with 7 seconds left…a great QB like Brees, Manning, Brady: WINS that game. Schaub: DOESN’T!! Why is this so hard for people?!??
by wiseonekms on Oct 10, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why is this so hard for people?!??
Some people can use logic and intelligence.
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by nolander on Oct 10, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
so now
we defend Schaub and debase other’s intelligence. Nice.
Make an intelligent argument and that won't be a problem.
But you admittedly discount everything that happened before the final play (“that’s just football”) and proceed to harp on Schaub. That’s horrendous logic.
Which is why it’s hard for people to accept.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
he has a somewhat decent point though
He had a chance to win it right at the end. Just couldn’t pull thru.
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by Carter Liles on Oct 10, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
He also led the team to 23 points
which should have been enough if special teams didn’t blow chunks yesterday. Its a team game. People who blame everything on the QB are delusional.
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by nolander on Oct 10, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
^^^This.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a TEAM effort
they were beaten in almost every phase of the game, disappointing after dominating for the first quarter and most of the second quarter. Mario’s injury hurt the defense, he is but one man, as is Shaub everyone lost the game from Kubiak down to Rackers.
did I type that outloud? oops.
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I do understand the failures of the team as a whole. TRUST me, I do. I’m just saying, at the end of the day, all that is MOOT, b/c the Raiders can say the same about their penalty situation and their dbs allowing some crazy plays by Dreesen/Walter. The reality is, we HAVE to forget all that if our qb was given a legitamite chance to FINISH them off. It’s like Kobe missing the final shot. If he makes it, he’s a hero (righftully so.) and if he misses it, that’s his fault. That’s the nature of the beast.
We need to respect this.
by wiseonekms on Oct 10, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
he might be laced with emotion, but he isn't totally wrong
Schaub didn’t singlehandedly lose the game, but he didn’t singlehandedly win the game either, and thats where he falls short of the good QBs today like Brees and Manning.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
by DaGoaT on Oct 10, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yet in this game what else could he have done?
Exactly what should have Schaub done on that play – with no one open and a Safety bearing down on him?
We need something besides "somehow win the game" or "somehow complete the pass"
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm on your side.
But he should have thrown it away.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I am just not sure when he could have done that.
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
He could have just overthrown it.
That was my thinking as well. Throw it away and try once more
I think overthrowing it would've killed the clock.
He was really in no man’s land. Matt’s first instinct is to pass before running. Which is good, but it just didn’t pay off that day.
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Yea, he definitely had no chance to run it.
I could be wrong. It looked like he would’ve had time throw it away, but I’m not completely sure. Yea, during gametime, I’m sure his mind is racing and it was worth a shot. Unfortunately it just didn’t work out this time
I think all he needed was 3-4 seconds to make his read
another second to bullet it into the first row of the stands. Kubiak should have been telling him just that before the play, if it isnt there, throw it away.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
by DaGoaT on Oct 10, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I always thought that's what you were supposed to do.
Look for the quick pass. If its not there, get rid of it, preserve some clock, and drag the play out at the end if need be.
I still think harping on Schaub is ridiculous though.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
he could have ran it in.
or made the attempt. He didn’t have to make it, but he should’ve tried that rather than throwing the int. I know the argument that the corner had already made his break, etc. He should’ve gone for the pylon, turned on what lil speed he had, and stretched his body out completely. If he fails, he fails. I’m not going to lie, I would have had ALOT more respect for that conclusion to the game than the one we had.
I'm sure Matt Schaub will take the possibility of your respect into consideration.
Hopefully while he’s taking his next dump.
by socctty on Oct 10, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
^ok, that was unnecessary.
1. because I don’t want that image.
2. It could have won us the game. Plus, there is something to be said of fan appreciation. He should have ran it in, or made the attempt.
BZZZZZTT
2. It could have won us the game. Plus, there is something to be said of fan appreciation. He should have ran it in, or made the attempt.
Drop-kicking the ball into air and then catching it himself could have won the game, too, but is it likely? No, and neither is MATT FUCKING SCHAUB running the ball in. Of all the ideas being floated about what Schaub should have done – and there is a lot of room for Monday morning quarterbacking here – the worst of them all has to be that he should have run it in.
You yourself, I believe, have said that Schaub “goes down too easy” or something along those lines. This is the guy you want doing his best Sage Rosenfels impression? Ahh, but yes, he’d have your sought-after respect.
Just how many points do you get for “fan appreciation”, exactly? Is it more than five, because that’s what was needed to win the game.
On the spectrum of “What Should Matt Schaub Have Done Differently?”, “Run with the ball” has got to be at one of the extremes, and not the good one. Just what percentage chance do you give Matt Schaub of scoring on that play if he were to run it in? And do you HONESTLY think that percentage is higher than him doing pretty much anything else?
by socctty on Oct 10, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
sure.
it’s an infinite plane, he should have pumpfaked earlier as he saw the sea parting, froze a defender and headed for the pylon. He’s slow, may have taken a hit, but he has a long body, he could’ve stretched out, maybe even taken a hit. He could’ve played some “hero football.” And if he failed, that’s fine. It’s better than throwing an indecisive int.
He did have space to run, if he was just decisive, it could’ve turned out positively.
to be fair, I'm being dramatic on purpose.
I’m usually VERy level headed w/ schaub. But not today, it’s the first time, I’m still pissed at him the day afte the game. I’ll even be the first to admit I’m wrong if he owns Baltimore next week. I mean that. I will publicly apologize if Schaub takes over next week and we win. I mean it.
Like Brady won that game last week with his four picks?
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
more like
how Brady came off the bench to replace Bledsoe and won 3 rings.
Of course
Brady won those rings
The Patriots coaching staff and rest of the team may have a difference of opinion
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
You thikn having one of the best defenses and offensive lines
in football help? Crazy talk.
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sure.
but don’t marginalize Brady. U can have the best oline/dline in football, and it won’t mean anything if you don’t have a stud QB: and that’s exactly what Brady is.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
sooo...
You’d rather find 51 players to build the perfect team, and have a ‘serviceable’ qb. Or, you could have a solid team, and try to scout for a stud qb? It’s alot harder to build a perfect oline and D, but a great QB can mask the ineptitudes of a team as a whole.
lol, I find it hilarious people want to rag on me for my ‘logic’ in improving the QB position, but their argument is: “No way. We just need an awesome defense and oline, and add in a special teams that doesn’t make mistakes and give us perfect field position. THEN we can win…QB isn’t that important.” lmao. mmmmmmkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
You do know that Peyton Manning couldn't win a Super Bowl until he had a serviceable defense and offense right?
Same goes with Brees.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
not really.
People made fun of that defense going into the playoffs that season. And it’s the chicken/egg issue with that defense. Peyton got the lead, then they just blitzed and did what they do best. As far as the oline, they had a decent one for a while, but the last few years they’ve sucked pretty badly. My point is: great qbs mask the mistakes of the rest of their team. Schaub hasn’t been able to do that.
One could argue
That Peyton Manning is one of the better playoff chokers of all time.
See also: his last Super Bowl appearance.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
sure,
but choking against Oakland at home in a reg. season game is one thing, and choking in NE during the AFC championship is another. I’d much rather have that problem than the former.
That would be Brett Favre
He holds all the records, including most bone headed interceptions to lose big games. But people still consider him a great QB, and arguably in the conversation of best of all time.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
and I feel
that’s a fair assessment of Brett Favre’s cummulative career.
True, while at the same time, good teams either put that QB in a better situation or bail them out when they do make mistakes.
Until this year, Schaub didn’t have that. And from what I can gather, he didn’t have it that much yesterday.
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And there you go right off the cliff.....
There are 4 stud quarterbacks in this league. 4. That’s 1/8th the league….even more rare when you consider there are roughly 100 quarterbacks on rosters.
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And you consider that 10-20 QBs come out of college every year.
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theres maybe 6 QBs
who are hands down better then schuab. Some young guys who might end up being better. People don’t realize how few good QBs there are.
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If I had to pick right now
I would take these guys over Schaub if I was building around someone:
Rodgers
Brady
Manning
Brees
Rivers
Stafford
Roethlisberger
Ryan
Which puts Matt at #9. Just shows there are not that many good QBs in the league.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
I agree mostly.
I think Big Ben and Ryan are basically on the same level, a wash. Oh, and I wouldn’t want Rivers anywhere near my team, but he’s certainly better.
Thus, he’s tied for 7th in my book.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't take Ryan over Schaub.
But that may be me being a homer.
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So you buy into that "MATT RYAN CAN'T LOSE AT HOME!!!*" thing?
*Except against the Saints, Packers, and during the playoffs.
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I don't buy into that
I do buy into the stat split that shows a significant difference home/away.
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Hey Jon, we'll trade you Jacoby for that scruffy backup QB you guys aren't using...
MMMM… Punt returns, Jon…
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You seem to have a mancrush on Chase Daniel.
Are you Sean Payton?
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I'm not ruling out a bit of a man-crush...
He’s looked extremely effective the times I’ve seen him play. I think he’s one of the better backups in the league and could probably start on 20 of the teams right now.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
Interesting.
Maybe Payton does have something up his sleeve when Brees retires at 55 after all.
/delusions
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I would take Ryan
because I think he is about as good as Schaub right now, is more mobile, and is young enough that he could get even better.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
I'm unsure on Stafford
he has earned a repuatation as injury prone, but if he stays healthy he will do great things. Manning might never play another game, but I included him in my 6.
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I seem to remember a QB of ours
that got hurt the first two years he played for us. His name was Matt something.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
AND LOOK HOW BAD THAT TURNED OUT!!!!!11!!!
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by Jon Banks on Oct 10, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and matt now has 2 years of health
if stafford can get through this year without hurting his shoulder again it’ll be a different sotry.
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So let's go get Rivers
Trade Mario for him….
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so pose a solution:
Either we try and find that “it” guy, that “stud qb,” or ..what? Your solution is: build a top 5 oline and defense. Sure, but that’s alot easier said than done. I have far less faith in building those things than finding a better QB for our system than Schaub. I think it’s fair to say that at the moment, there is no evidence to suggest either of us is more right than the other. But you are just easily dismissing the attempt at finding a replacement for Schaub…I don’t understand why you’re so stubborn.
I'm not stubborn
I just don’t like unrealistic solutions that will set the team back from winning until young stud quarterback is ready to win. I also don’t like basing my long-term plans on one moment.
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I didn't say anything of the sort.
You said:
it won’t mean anything if you don’t have a stud QB
And I gave three examples of Super Bowl-wining qbs who were unstudly.
And people aren’t necessarily suggesting that we shouldn’t improve the qb position. People are suggesting that there are very few qbs out there better than the one we have, and getting one is too costly, especially when we have so many other glaring holes to fill.
Probably best to read every post twice before responding. No one will notice if you need to spell the bigger words out.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand why
we resort to pot shots about someone’s intelligence or rationalizing skills. Y do you guys get so low like that? I know what you were posing. Obviously people talk in extremes and hyperbole some times. It seems like those who rag on Schaub, rag on Schaub, and you guys who defend Schaub do so by insulting our intelligence. I don’t wish to engage in that.
I’m just saying that while we have those ‘glaring holes to fill,’ those ‘holes’ wouldn’t look so big if our QB was better. However, we never tried to use a high quality pick to address that position, and I know we were too busy building our Oline and Dline, so I wont’ fault management for it in the past. I’m simply talking about moving forward. It seems very rational and plausible to look for other options this coming offseason. Fair enough?
Outliers?
If the argument is that the QB role isn’t critical… You had to go back 30 years to find three instances of ‘Game Manager’ QB play on a Super Bowl winner?
10% of teams are capable of winning the SB with less than a Schaub?
Eli Manning
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by Hugh Jarce on Oct 10, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and Eli STILL
played a beast game in the Superbowl and led his team to a final (essentially) game-winning drive. Let’s put this into perspective.
And yet...
Dan Marino has none.
Warren Moon? None.
Dan Fouts? None.
Fran Tarkenton? None.
Jim Kelly? None.
Boomer Esiason? None.
Terry Bradshaw has 4 and he was a shittily below average QB.
There’s no science that says elite QBs just win. Otherwise Peyton Manning and Dan Marino would have monster dynasties.
It’s a team game. You need great teams. The QB is a part of the team….so long as he fits the offense then you’re fine.
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by TexansDC on Oct 10, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
but we can't wait for our team to just become 'elite'
all of a sudden. I think conversely. I think that our team is good enough to win, we just need a more capable qb. That’s just my opinion. I think (prior to Mario’s injury) our defense was coming into its own, our run game, despite yesterday’s sputter is clearly elite, our oline is one of the best in the game.
We got big plays from Dreesen, Walter, and OD to put Schaub in a position to win the game. What we needed from Schaub was him to either stretch those 7 seconds into 2 plays, or for him to at least try and run towards the pylon for that td. And let me reiterate, IF we win this Sunday (which obviously I hope we do), I will completely take back everything I said of Schaub.
It doesn't matter.
This magically Wheatie-eating quarterback you speak of doesn’t exist.
Schaub is what we have, and I think most fans (at least on this blog) are perfectly happy with that.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
so...
we’re happy with mediocrity. Yes, I will disagree with you here. I don’t want that. I want a great qb. If that means using a high pick on a qb, or trading up in the draft and forfeiting some picks (like Jax did w/ Gabbert), I’d gladly do it.
There’s a reason why we’ve never made the playoffs the past 5 years with Schaub. God forbid I bring up the possibility that he’s a major reason for it.
Wow... you done lost yo damn mind...
There’s a reason why we’ve never made the playoffs the past 5 years with Schaub. God forbid I bring up the possibility that he’s a major reason for it.
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by DilloTex on Oct 10, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
QB is a piece of the puzzle...
but can you agree that it’s by far the BIGGEST piece of the puzzle? What position is even the second most important?
Left Tackle? If so, the second most important player is a complement to the QB.
Pass Rusher? …to get to the QB…
It’s a team sport, but certain positions receive more adulation and heat. QB is the premier example of that.
I like Schaub. I agree with Rivers’ take that he is what he is. His ineptitude at certain points during that game KILLED the team. Equal parts belong to Jacoby Jones (hot garbage), and special teams.
by ahem! on Oct 10, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd actually argue that....
Your coaching philosophies are the most important part of the puzzle, so in a sense if you don’t have clear leadership and direction from the top then what does it matter who’s under center? How can one attempt to fill a roster if they don’t know what kind of players they need?
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by TexansDC on Oct 10, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rare instance where I'd agree w/ TexansDC.
See Mike Tomlin as the example. He’s the biggest reason why Big Ben can get away with as many mistakes as he does and still look like one of the most brilliant qbs in this league.
Who was more important?
Steve Young/Joe Montana
or
Walsh/Seifert?
Keep in mind that Seifert flamed out of Carolina…
This whole argument is WAY subjective. A mediocre coach can make it with a great QB. A great coach can make it with a mediocre QB. Can a mediocre Kubiak make it with a Schaub? Not yet.
Bill Walsh was WAY more important
That’s not even close. He’s the man credited with creating the West Coast Offense and designing the system. Without that, Joe Montana and Steve Young don’t wildly succeed (and this comes from someone who wore a sweet replica cherry red 16 until it fell apart).
Seifert doesn’t get the credit because all he did was, more or less, continue running Walsh’s system with Walsh’s players….it’s why he didn’t succeed in Carolina. It was Walsh finding the right players for his offense.
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That is a bad example of who's more important though...
Walsh is, arguably, the 2nd most important innovator in NFL history behind Paul Brown.
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Agreed that the system is important
Missing my point… Walsh as an offensive mind was important. Not saying he wasn’t. The existence of Montana was a catalyst in his success. They could’ve run any offense with that set of players and been successful to some degree. Having Montana to run what was an incredible offense, put it on the fast track. If he’d drafted Cody Carlson, instead, the story would’ve been a bit different.
Another example is Holmgren with Farve, versus Holmgren with various crap QBs for the Seahawks.
Norv Turner with various Raiders/Redskins QBs, versus Norv Turner with Rivers.
Kubiak/Shanahan with Elway, Kubiak/Shanahan with Jake Plummer/Brian Griese.
I see where you're coming from
Ahem! That’s why sports discussions annoy me to some degree. It’s all subjective and we’re never going to get a chance to test any of our theories neways. What needs to be done is that we stop making stupid excuses and start performing. That includes Schaub. Until that happens, Texans fans will be upset, and rightfully so.
And if it doesn’t work, then there should be no fear to blow it up, admit failure, and start over. We’re trying to build a winner here, not some mediocre franchise that makes it to the playoffs every now and then: ala Atlanta Hawks.
No one is marginalizing Brady
I am willing to bet you think Mark Sanchez is a better QB than teh Schaub
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Sanchez alot.
I think he has a good future. Whether he’s “better than Schaub”, not now…but I do believe eventually he will be.
Really?
Couldn’t disagree more.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Well Sanchez has been to the AFC Championship game two years in a row
Schaub has yet to taste the playoffs.
What does that say?
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on Oct 10, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That the Jets are the most lucky team in all of football and I hate them.
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lets see
they had the #1 rushing attack and the #1 defense those years so… hm… I can’t crack this one someone give me a hand….
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This is the correct answer.
Also acceptable: “Not because of Mark Sanchez.”
It says they had a darn good team.
Minus the quarterback.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
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Yep
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
huh?
what’s wrong with Sanchez?? He’s a 3rd year player bro. Y we hating on that guy? Schaub has Andre to mask many of his shortcomings. I already said that Schaub is better now, but Sanchez isn’t TERRIBLE. He has led his team to 2 afc championship games the past 2 years. That’s not an easy thing to do. I hate when people do this.
I bet you like Lebron more than Kobe.
huh?
what’s wrong with Schaub? He’s a proven player bro. Y we hating on that guy? Sanchez has a top ranking defense and had a good running game to mask many of his shortcomings. I already said that Sanchez will never be better, but Schaub isn’t TERRIBLE. He has led his team to unlikely victories the past 3 years. That’s not an easy thing to do. I hate when people do this.
I bet you like Carlos Lee more than Lance Berkman.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
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Matt Schaub is a choker
just ask Tom Kelly
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
If only Matt had as many rings as Tom Kelly
err
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Who the hell is Tom Kelly?
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Except running it in wasn't likely
That isn’t what a choke is
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
imitation is the best form of flattery?
that was cute, even I’ll admit that. And ew, Carlos Lee is trash.
Don't get imitation and mockery confused.
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by Jordann on Oct 10, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sanchez doesn't lead his team anywhere.
He follows the defense and running game. Look how things are going when their defense and running game are disappointing.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
What's wrong with Mark Sanchez?
- Inaccurate on a bad level (Consistently 53-55%)
- More INTs than TDs for his career (just barely above a 1:1 ratio this season)
- Low yards per attempt
- QB Rating (71ish) in the same breath as Rex Grossman, Quincy Carter, Trent Dilfer, Kordell Stewart, and Joey Harrington
He’s not a good quarterback and isn’t showing any development.
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by TexansDC on Oct 10, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and this is behind one of the best offensive lines in football
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But he's a leader, bro
He’d like totally lead and stuff, if, you know, he had to lead.
Unlike Schaub, who can’t even lead his own hair back onto his head.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you cry after typing that last sentence?
lulz
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My balding head just sweated even more profusely.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
"not showing development."
I could say the same for Schaub. The only difference is that he’s 30, and has Andre Johnson and Arian Foster to mask alot of his lack of ability.
Sanchez has very high expectations. I agree Schaub is better now, but it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if Sanchez became very good very fast.
The only difference is Mark Sanchez has had a #1 running game and #1 defense to mask his lack of ability
Getting tired of this…..need a smarter brand of trolls.
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there's no convincing I guess.
hating on Schaub seems to be sacrilege on this blog. I’m not sure where to go from here. All I’m getting is shots at my intelligence, and people thinking it’s some sort of crime to humanity to give Schaub the blame he deserves. I don’t lower myself to insulting other’s intelligence. Especially when it comes to discussions about such subjective discussions about sports.
seriously what did I tell you about using logic
its not that saying anything bad about schuab is sacrilege, others including myself have noted his accuracy hasn’t been great. The issue is when you blame the entire loss on him because of ONE bad play that was preceeded by a number of bad plays by other players. LOGIC, DO YOU SPEAK IT?
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by nolander on Oct 10, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
no, that IS logical.
b/c it was HIS play to make, HE was in position. If he failed, that is HIS fault. we obviously lost as a TEAM. I’m not an idiot, I get that. What is the problem is that, we aren’t realizing that FINAL play was to win the game. In essence, the entire ‘mistakes’ and shortcomings of the team would have been moot of Schaub takes it in and finds a way to get it into the endzone. At the END of the day, it was his call to make, and he didn’t. That’s my entire point. Duh, the team lost, the entire team is to blame. But on that play, it was Schaub’s play to make.
You literally ignored the main point of my post.
good job
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nolander come on bro...
it’s not that difficult. Mistakes is part of the game. But just as mistakes were made, mistakes were OVERCOME. That’s how we got to that position at the 5 yard line to begin with. For every mistake the team made, ultimately, it was pointless, b/c we were in a position to WIN the game. That’s all the game is about: winning.
Whether we did or didnt’ make a play in the 1st quarter, or earlier in the game is irrelevant, b/c u continue to play the game to overcome those same mistakes to put yourselves in a chance to WIN. That’s how it works. To break it down, and I do concede, that Jacoby, special teams, and Vickers were DRASTICALLY responsible for putting us in a crap situation. But, with all that said, we could have still won! And, if you don’t believe that the final play was Schaub’s to make: and he didn’t and thus that was the REASON we lost, then we’re just playing semantics and apologizing for Schaub. B/c I guarantee if he DID make that play, you’d be saying: “WOW! what a play by Schaub, he really took over and won the game for us on that last play!” I would say it too, and he would deserve it. But you refuse to say the opposing statement. Tragic, if you ask me.
ok so logic AND reading comprehension aren't your strong suits
its not that saying anything bad about schuab is sacrilege, others including myself have noted his accuracy hasn’t been great.
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that is completely taken out of context
I was clearly addressing the LATTER part of your comment: “The issue is when you blame the entire loss on him because of ONE bad play that was preceeded by a number of bad plays by other players.”
wow, you guys just want to make fun. I’m not into that. I don’t stoop that low.
You literally ignored the main point of my post.
good job
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I was only
addressing the part of your post that was contrary to my viewpoint. Or else it’d just be a boring “I agree” politically correct crap.
I give up
maybe when you have time to cool off you will be able to understand, but right now you are like talking to a brick wall with blinders on.
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bro,
u do realize we do disagree. That’s ok. I believe Schaub was PRIMARILY responsible for yesterday’s loss. You’ve said it’s special teams and Jacoby. That’s ok, we can disagree here. I think we need to move on from Schaub, you don’t think that’s necessary. I’m not a brick wall b/c I don’t agree with you. we disagree. It’s cool. I don’t think Schaub is that good, but you think he is.
We agreed that our team made tons of mistakes, you think that was primarily the reason why we lost, I think Schaub was a bigger reason why we lost. It’s a “agree to disagree” kinda thing. We don’t need to take shots at each other’s intelligence.
you still aren't getting what I'm saying
in THIS speciific string of comments I am discussing that other people have criticized schuab. How hard is this to understand. Its basic reading comprehension.
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I KNOW YOU ARE.
my point is I’m MORE critical of him than YOU ARE. Reading comprehension isn’t my problem at all. And refrain from these kinds of intelligence shots. I think it is quite low and shows some insecurities. I disagree with you and I made it clear my disagreement is coming from the intensity of how strongly we criticize Schaub. Either disagree with tact or don’t talk to me. I’m serious.
no
but I don’t think you should say those kinds of offensive things about “reading comprehension” and “intelligence.” We disagree. It’s ok. But I ask very humbly that you refrain from such mud slinging. Forgive me if that was offensive.
Schaub’s interception wouldn’t have existed if some of the other plays were made.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
There's no sacrilege
You’re just not putting forth a great argument.
Schaub’s not elite. No one’s arguing that.
He’s good enough to win with…stats, comparisons, and the like have been put forth.
Based on this one play, you want to trash Schaub and go out to find an elite QB (which is extremely rare)…because you want to win now (even though no one will give you an elite QB and you have to hit the draft lottery to get one). That’s the part that doesn’t make sense and why people are giving you crap.
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by TexansDC on Oct 10, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
and bingo was his name-o
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by nolander on Oct 10, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
but it's quite obvious that's NOT what I'm saying.
I’m well aware there is nothing we can do now. I’m simply talking about moving forward. We can’t do anything this season, I’m well aware of that. However, looking forward to this team’s future, I think it’s pretty obvious taht Schaub isn’t the solution or should be part of our long term plans. Is this fair enough?
I'd say it's too soon to tell because there are 11 more games to the season
They could go 14-2, they could go 3-13, they can go 8-8 and win the division.
That does shift the question though…if not Schaub then who? And if that’s a rookie then how long does this team have to wait for him to grow up?
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I don't know.
I can’t possibly answer that. But, look at Atlanta, Tampa Bay, St. Louis. Their futures sure look bright as long as they have their respective young QB’s to lean on. Is it a risk? no doubt, but is it a risk worth taking if we don’t make the playoffs? unquestionably: yes.
Again, this is all hinged on us NOT making the playoffs (and even if we do, we could use a high pick on a QB.) Like I said, IF Schaub puts this team on his back, I’d be the 1st to forgive and forget, and apologize. Also, we wouldn’t be the first team to take a risk on a young qb…u know that better than I do.
St. Louis
looks like dogshit right now. Bradford looks good, but that team is a LONG way from challenging for anything other than an 8-8 playoff berth in that division.
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but
that’s to be expected. They lack any real talent on offense. But, they play in a bad division, and need skill talent. They aren’t as far as one may think. A good offseason could make a resurgence for them like it did for Raheem Morris’s Bucs.
And their outside LBs are suspect.
And Jackson is done, Cadillac is done, etc. Donario Alexander is gimpy all the damn time and the other WRs aren’t worth a damn.
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They have had a ton of injuries to their receiving corps
And yet, how many people would crap their pants in the NFC if this “down” year landed Sam Bradford a decade of Justin Blackmon?
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He needs good talent to win?
Why are we going after him then?
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by riversmccown on Oct 10, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
ima give you credit.
I don’t think your trolling as bad as everyone thinks you are. That being said, your probably underestimating schaubs ability a little bit. The thing is, this team is not on schaubs back. Its on foster and johnson and daniels. backs as well. Heres hoping that we make the playoffs and this whole argument is mute.
PUT IT ALL BEHIND US!! LEARN, AND MOVE ON! LETS GET AT BALTIMORE NEXT WEEK AND COME OUT WITH A WIN!
by Carter Liles on Oct 10, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
I’m not trolling man. I love Schaub (prior to this game.) I mean it’s a love/hate, but I’m just expressing what I believe would be best for the Texans. I don’t mean to come off as a douche…I try to never offend anyone: especially for something as subjective and trivial (gulp) as sports.
sports... Trivial???
IM OFFENDED1
PUT IT ALL BEHIND US!! LEARN, AND MOVE ON! LETS GET AT BALTIMORE NEXT WEEK AND COME OUT WITH A WIN!
by Carter Liles on Oct 10, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Though his relationships with underaged girls leads the league in active streaks.
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LOL
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
Does anyone know where this conga-line is going? Could someone tell me when we get near West, TX? I’d like some kolaches… slurp…
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the store around the corner from my house has those
my wife loves them
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LOL
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And one can argue that over the past few seasons....
He’s been phenomenal, but the Patriots can’t get back to winning Super Bowls because their defense blows.
Nor would they have won those Super Bowls without the best kicker out there….
Team game. Otherwise Peyton Manning would be counting his multiple rings.
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Your point:
Brady would have won this game for us.
My point: Brady choked his ass off last week and cost his team the game.
Why? Because not even the biggest so-called winners win all the time.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
fine.
But, at least they have playoff victories and superbowls to show for it. They don’t win ALL the time, but they sure win a lot more than Schaub.
Because they have been a better team.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
but it goes both ways
Even with abysmal defenses and receiver corps. Brady keeps that team competitive. Let’s be real here. He’s at least 50% the reason why the Patriots are as amazing as they are.
That and the fact that they had a great defense those years.
And Randy Moss, too. That guy sucked.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the thing Tom Brady IS better than Schaub.
The problem is, is to find some that good is practically impossible. 6 QB’s every draft, you go and try and find another Tom Brady.
.................
/takes this literally
//heads to Michigan
///sees Denard Robinson practicing
////sees MDC staring dreamily at Denard.
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I have to stare from at least 100 yards away
per the court order.
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by MDC on Oct 10, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Told you not to break into their locker room
It also didn’t help that you got caught sniffing his pants.
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I think the real problem
Was that he was wearing them at the time.
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Is there some problem with crotch/butt sniffing?
/tolerance fail
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not at all,
I sniffed butts and humped legs in more than one dream sequence
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Okay, let's not equate butt-sniffing with leg-humping...
One is an OBVIOUSLY widely accepted form of social greeting and the other is just tacky… Unless the leg just stinks really, really good…
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Who, I might add
was a 6th round draft pick. The Patriots weren’t looking for a first ballot HOF QB in that draft. Thus the whole thing is a crap shoot. The only way you wind up with a QB of the greatness of Brady outside of the #1 overall pick is great coaching and a whole lot of luck.
This idea that we can simply go out and get us a Tom Brady off the QB shelf at Walmart is ridiculous. How soon some fans forget the David Carr era.
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More first round picks than not
Never become great QBs
Recent history shows about what? 1 out of 6?
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 11, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Further proof that's it's no simple task to "go find" a stud #1 at any position
It makes me laugh how some people think it’s so easy, as if there’s a Hall of Fame tree in the back yard.
“What we need to do is replace all of our good players with great ones. Can I have a GM job now?”
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but our tolerance level for mediocrity
should be a lot lower. Obviously, I’m not the gm. Ideally, we would give a qb a legit shot to prove himself. I think 5 years for Kubiak and Schaub is enough, and where has it gotten us? Nowhere. 1 winning season in those 5. I think it’s fair to say that the threshold for mediocrity should be a lot lower as far as our GM is concerned.
Not addressing the QB position at all (except by getting Leinart) isn’t sound drafting or contingency planing in my opinion. At the very least, can we agree that (going forward, this year on) we should look to groom a blue chip QB prospect? Or trade for someone of the caliber of a Chase Daniel, Brian Hoyer, to build around? Or are you in firm belief that Schaub is our guy, win or lose? B/c if your answer is Schaub: ’til death do us part, that would be fundamentally against my way of thinking.
Patience with an improving program =/= tolerance for mediocrity
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A few points
1st…..Matt Schaub is not mediocre. Matt Cassel, Alex Smith, Vince Young, Mark Sanchez, Jason Campbell, and Colt McCoy are mediocre. If you weren’t biased you would admit that Schaub is well above this group.
2nd….Leinart is a pretty good contingency plan if you ask me, although I would argue that he has far underplayed his talent level to this point. Also, Kubiak drafted a project QB in Yates. He may not be the blue chipper you long for but given our draft priorities this year I’d say he’s not a bad pick up. He has the physical build, he’s smart, and he’s played in a very similar system. Will he be great? Who knows, but did anyone think Brady would be great when he went IN THE 6th ROUND?
3rd….the season isn’t over yet but you’re writing it off as if it is. We’re still in 1st place in the division with a favorable schedule down the stretch. Just because you choose to give up doesn’t mean the rest of us are.
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lol, all fair points.
1. I guess I should premise “mediocrity” with the coaching/4th quarter play of Schaub holistically. I think it’s fair to say the Texans are a mediocre franchise and that Kubiak hasn’t drastically done anything to warrant 5 seasons as a head coach. I will ask you this: “if we finish the season 8-8 or 9-7, and we win the division, do we keep Kubiak and Schaub?” My answer would be an emphatic: NO. I’d be curious to hear your opinion.
2. Ya, Leinart isn’t bad. Again, I need to preface that now (presently) I’m talking about where this team is going forward. If we finish 9-7 or 8-8, I would expect the Texans to look for a blue-chipper and spend a high pick in this year’s draft on a QB. Our moves in the past were to build the oline and defense. That’s expected, and by no means do I fault management for improving those areas while maintaining faith in Schaub. How this season goes, should determine his and Kubiak’s future.
3. My writing off the season is a function in my lack of faith in Schaub (particularly if Andre misses extended time.) I know how that would annoy many people, and I apologize if I come off like a ball of hate. I’m a SUPER loyal Texans fan, I’m just upset that we are never what we’re advertised to be: an up and comer ready to take a leap (like GB did last year) or TB did last year too. I’m afraid we’re resembling the Bengals and Cowboys alot more than a team building a consistent winner. But, your point is taken.
My opinion is...
…that your conclusion to point number one is a clear indication that I’m an IDIOT for having engaged you as a rational adult thus far and I hereby cease and desist.
To say that a coach that transformed a 2-14 team into a playoff team should be fired after the first season that the team actually makes the playoffs indicates that your value system is just too drastically dissimilar to mine for me to really give a crap about what you think about anything.
/scratches grass
/barks at nothing in particular
/walks off in huff
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by DilloTex on Oct 12, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
um...
last time I checked, we’re not a playoff team. And let’s be fair, many coaches have done the same job with less time. Let’s be realistic, we’re not a “playoff team.” We were 2-14, I got that, but how many owners give their coaches 5 years (w/o a playoff appearance) to turn a franchise around? Almost none.
While I understand the premise of Kubiak getting an extension during a lockout season, there was absolutely NO reason to bring him back from last season. A team that was 9-7 and pushed for a playoff position, then dips to 6-10 in their 4th season, is NOT a reason to give a coach a 3 year deal. (Yes, I know he got the deal at the beginning of the year)
And, if Kubiak takes an 8-8 team to a playoff spot, how is that any different than what Pete Carroll did last season? While it was his 1st season, a precedent should not be set that 8-8 or 7-9 should be accepted even if you make the playoffs. There are coaches that constantly get to the playoffs and still get fired: Bill Parcells (Cowboys), Wade Phillips (Cowboys), Marty Schottenheimer (Chargers), etc. The idea would be: “this isn’t enough, you won a weak division, but your improvement wasn’t drastic enough to warrant you this job.”
Can you HONESTLY say that Kubiak is a better coach today than he was when he first got here? Sure, maybe he is…but by how much? If we make the playoffs with a solid record and decisive victories, like I said, I’d be the first to apologize. But, even if we go 8-8 and make the playoffs, I would have no problem if McNair fired Kubiak if we lost the 1st round of the playoffs in blowout fashion.
Think about it: Marvin Lewis made the playoffs 2 seasons ago (by winning their division) and then had a crap season last year, Pete Carroll won their weak division and sux this year, Todd Haley had a home playoff game last year: and they are trash this season. It’s not unheard of.
Thanks for your opinion of me. I’ll make sure to write it on my tombstone, along with a “I don’t give a crap.”
If we win the division we absolutely keep Kubiak and Schaub
Who in their right mind blows up a playoff team??? You’d be fired immediately and probably never be allowed another front office job in the NFL again. Not to mention you probably wouldn’t make it out of Houston alive.
Seriously man, you think it’s WAY too easy to to find this blue chipper. No team would trade one away without a king’s ransom in return, and they certainly aren’t easy to come by in the draft. Especially not for a playoff team that picks late.
Sheesh!
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by Hydroshock on Oct 12, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
that's fine
but I think I need to clarify HOW we win this division. It’s a super weak division right now, let’s say we go 8-8, win the division and get blown out at home like KC did. Would it bother you like CRAZY if McNair fired Kubiak and hired someone like Dungy or Cowher? If you asked me: not at all.
Why? B/c as mentioned earlier, it’s not unheard of that there are ‘fluke’ playoff teams that got in out of circumstance and not necessarily skill: like the Seahawks of last season, or the Bengals of 2 season ago, and the Chiefs of last year too. McNair could easily reach the conclusion that, “Kubiak just won a weak division, he didn’t really improve our team drastically from last season to this one. We were just lucky recipients of circumstance in a down season for the AFC South.” If that were the case, and he happened to hire a proven veteran (even a Superbowl) coach…would that offend you that badly? Think about it: Tampa Bay did it to Dungy, and it worked out for them.
Would it be risky? Maybe, but if this team goes 8-8, even if they win this division, I’d have no remorse in cutting ties with Kubiak. Not even a little bit.
AJ Smith of the San Diego Chargers, that's who
Remember how he fired Marty Schottenheimer after going 14-2? Hell, we’d praise Kubiak & demand that he should get a 3 or 4 year extension if he ever went 14-2 in a season
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by The Night Owl on Oct 13, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
true.
that was the argument I posed earlier: that Marty Schottenheimer, Wade Phillips, and Bill Parcells were all fired after having been consistent playoff coaches. You can add Jeff Fisher and Mike Sherman to that list as well.
But, we’re not worried about all that, the point was, would it be completely illogical, earth-shattering stuff if we go 8-8 win the division, lose the 1st round of the playoffs and then McNair fire Kubiak? Not at all. Actually, it would be a very bold and poignant move in my opinion. And I would have no problem with it at all.
oh,
and Tony Dungy was fired as well from Tampa Bay after taking that team to the playoffs the previous year.
I'll tell you why I fucking care.
We make that 40 yard FG and OR score the TD Vickers drops Schaub drives us down the field and we are kicking a game winning FG and we aren’t having this debate.
Hell if we had the 10 points we should have had we don’t even need the last drive we are running the clock down.
Again not defending the last INT because it was terrible but as usual with this team if everybody does their job we win going away.
You know like how Brady, Manning, and Brees win. Not going down to the last second every game because their teams can’t get out of their own way with numerous little mistakes.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
by Ethan Matz on Oct 10, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
so what.
we had the opportunity, and we didn’t. *Schaub didn’t. That’s my point. We don’t win every game like yesterday, and we don’t lose them all in last second fashion either. BUT, when those situations present themselves, you can’t ask for much more than having the ball in your qb’s hands in YOUR redzone. The point is: WITH all those mistakes, that was NOT a winnable game. We played like CRAP,and for the most part of the game it seemed that the team didn’t even want to win.
But, ALLL that is out the door, when you have a CHANCE to win. Raiders made TONS of mistakes too: Their oline got banged up, sucked, they couldn’t defend the screen play, they made so many penalites on that last drive and STILL won. That’s what Schaub should have done. Found a way to get it in the endzone. He didn’t. Instead, on that drive he manages to: get sacked, fumble a snap, and throw an INT. Let’s stop pampering him FOR ONCE.
So
Exactly what should gave Schaub done on that play – with no one open and a Safety bearing down on him?
We need something besides “somehow win the game” or “somehow complete the pass”
Let's all panic, slit our wrists , fire the coach, fire the quarterback BECAUSE OMG WE LOST A GAME!!!!!!1111!!!!111!!!!
by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
"No one open"
is an incorrect statement. At the moment that Branch stepped up, Schaub had a six-yard cushion on the safety and at least three open receivers. Don’t get me wrong; I’m not putting the blame for the whole game on Schaub, and I still like him as a QB, but he had options there.
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One that I hadn't thought of was...
…read it quick, nothing open? throw it away and try again.
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THIS
When Branch stepped up and Schaub decided not to run, there were three seconds on the clock. Fire that ball low and away where only JJ can catch it (even though he wouldn’t have), and you still have one or two seconds left.
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Absolutely
If he had launched it out of the back of the endzone we have one more shot at it.
Shoulda, coulda, woulda. Time to move on
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
forreal.
It was depressing, but whatever, we still have 11 games to go.
Did Matt Schaub, in your guesstimation, lock onto his #1 target and ignore everyone else?
"Lord, beer me strength."
I don't know that I'd say JJ was the #1 option, BUT
I think he saw JJ, who was in front of the corner at the time, and didn’t look right to locate Walter (basically posting up a corner), Dreessen (coming wide open in the back of the end zone), or Daniels (who, in Schaub’s defense, completely gave up on the play when Schaub rolled away from him).
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by MDC on Oct 10, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
BUT ANALYSTS TELL ME QBS SHOULD NEVER THROW ACROSS THEIR BODY BACK
TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FIELD or something
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
The REALLY annoying thing?
When he starts running, he runs further from the endzone, so that even the lob to JJ is across Schaub’s body. Sigh.
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Oh, this is so agonizing
How I want to go back in time and tel him to look in the right….
Or how I want to punch Jacoby for losing position there…..
"Lord, beer me strength."
or punch kubiak
for making Jacoby the primary read in the 1st place.
GAHHHHHHH
This makes me angry staring at it.
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Jacoby looks like he has pretty good position.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
1.5 seconds later
This would not be the case.
Thought to ponder? Insert Andre Johnson into this play….that safety is occupied and Schaub would run for it, more than likely.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Or he could've planted, saw Dresseen or Daniels, and made a better throw
/kanyeshrug
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Dreessen
is the biggest “Oh, goddamnit!” moment on that play. He leaves the LB and is completely uncovered, moving to the endline with no other DB even realizing he was there.
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if he throws a bullet at JJ right here
and misses there would still be 1 second left I bet.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
I wish we had an angle from the other end zone.
I’m not sure 5 QBs in the league can make that throw, at least how that throw looks to me. Scrambling left, throwing to your right, fast enough release and velocity to not involve the DB closing in (#32, Branch), low enough to avoid any chance of a pick. It’s gotta be all arm, and heaping load of it.
A tip
What this needs to take into account is the 5 or 4 second mark, i.e., why Schaub rolled left in the first place (and I suppose a debate as to whether that was the correct decision).
Those guys are open if Schaub’s hips are square, but they aren’t. Any pass to those guys is a wounded duck. They aren’t open given his posture.
True. When he is first running more or less up field
KW is WIDE open. Then Schaub turns left and runs away from him.
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It looks like he could have floated a pass to OD. He's wide open
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2011 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Schaub was more concerned about not passing the line of scrimmage
instead of finding an open reciever
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by Jordann on Oct 10, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not on that play
He looked right first
Let's all panic, slit our wrists , fire the coach, fire the quarterback BECAUSE OMG WE LOST A GAME!!!!!!1111!!!!111!!!!
by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Once he got outside the pocket
he never looked right. Otherwise, he should’ve seen Dreessen completely uncovered angling toward the back of the endzone.
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Looks to me like he could barrel his 6'5 240 lb frame
Striaght through that fuckin safety and reach for the endzone. He was just scared to do it. He also could throw way off to Jacoby’s (who we should just drop) side and have him leap sideways for the ball.
In the end though, we as passionate fans are centering on this play because it serves as a microcosm for the very futile fuckin existence of this fuckin team. And that is – SOMETHING always fucks us. Always.
That being said, I fully expect us to go into Baltimore and actually win. It will be a hard fought game and we will celebrate! And THEEEEEN … we’ll lose to the sorry ass Titans the very next week. Watch.
by YohannDookeyblue on Oct 10, 2011 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That sounds about right
Texans will win a big game and drop a turd the next week.
Wouldn’t suprise me.
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by jtr bmf 281 on Oct 10, 2011 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Matt Schaub isn't going to run through anyone
I honestly don’t understand people who think he should have ran for it. Have you watched him run before? Its like strapping cleats on a Sea Lion and asking it to sprint.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
/laughing... ouch...
I agree, but the comparison is pretty hard on Sea Lions.
I still have fond memories of Shobby running that one in against Miami a few years ago.
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Preach on Yohann
He had a lane to the pylon, and I honestly think if he ran as fast and decisive as he could after the pumpfake he could’ve extended and reached for the pylon. Whatever man…
didn't Brees have a shot to win the game against Green Bay
in very similar circumstances to yesterday? and he didn’t win NO the game… i dunno, i’m not totally defending schaub but no QB will succeed 100% of the time in that situation
by EnglishTexan on Oct 10, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
true.
but u want him to do it at a high enough level that would equate playoff appearances. I think it’s silly to even compare Schaub to Manning, Brees, Vick, Brady, Roeth., or Rivers. Those guys are playoff staples, and until he can move into that position, I’d rather not depress myself even further.
Nope as a team they lost you can bitch about the INT all you want and yes it was terrible but
But this game isn’t even close without all the BS earlier in the game like happens all the time. Blocked punt, missed FG, dropped TD etc…
Not sure why you referenced Big Ben from last week since he had practically no time to do anything behind his O-line since they were getting dominated.
I’m not pampering anybody here but you seem ready to ignore the entire game as if it didn’t exist and nobody else screwed up.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
Big Ben
was interviewed last week after the game, and consistently said he was the reason his team lost. Even when asked about the oline, he said it wasn’t their fault, he had chances to make plays he didn’t make. He was a man and took the blame. There’s a reason why he’s a 2x superbowl champ. Winning is in his blood.
As far as the BS that happened earlier: WHO CARES. that’s my entire point. It doesn’t MATTER. They are a ‘good team’ too. Lots of mistakes went their way, we can’t marginalize opportunities to WIN the game vs a ‘cummulative bad game.’ Think about all the times great teams have garbage games, but their QB comes back and saves the day. Like Brees and the Saints did 3 weeks ago against us. My point is: Schaub was in a prime position to win, and the game was able to be decided by him, and he LOST for us. That’s the reality.
As far as the BS that happened earlier: WHO CARES. that’s my entire point. It doesn’t MATTER.
Of course it matters. Theres a reason we where losing 25-20.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
there's also a reason why
our QB loses games like this consistently.
because our defense is horrible
and we are always playing from behind, or our offense has to be perfect to win? Yeah it sucks.
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I will say
This comment may hold water in years past, but I don’t think that was the case at least in this instance. The defense had done more than its share this game for us to win. Unfortunately, our offense and special teams collectively shat the bed. Putting aside the one Jason Allen fuck up, I would call our defensive effort this game well above average.
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by SlatonShuffle on Oct 10, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
no but this is one game where the defense did its job and we lost
but at the same time the special teams dug us a hole instead.
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If Oakland didn't have a monster of a kicker in Janakowski, they never would have been in the game
Just goes to show that sometimes Al Davis was crazy like a fox. Who else take would take a kicker in the 1st round? That had to be one of his most successful long term picks
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
no kidding. I was thinking the same thing. My Chargers fan friend was asking me, “how the F are the Texans not dominating?” My only answer was, they’re kicking field goals when they should be punting!! F!!!!!!!!
For every one game that youn think Schaub lost for us
I can name you one game where he was the sole reason why we won.
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You keep putting the loss on the QB
but keep forgetting that there are games that he won for the team. Which shouldn’t be how things are. The team should win games. Not just QB.
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Yeah so?
We’re a .500 team with him. Actually probably below .500, as with Kubiak.
I agree about the weapons Schaub has, if other QB’s (Orton, Grossman, maybe even Leinart) had this Oline and these weapons they would have his numbers or close to them too.
Stats are stats. Intagibles (like Im going to win this Goddamn fucking game no matter what) are what win.
For the record, this game opened my eyes to the mediocrity of Schaub, and he has to win me back. And I think that’s true with a LOT of fans right now. It can be done, but he has to prove it in multiple games and lead this team to the playoffs and atleast one playoff victory.
by YohannDookeyblue on Oct 10, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Grossman HAD this line...
…and was invited to pursue excellence elsewhere… I disagree with your point.
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Yohann
are we attached to some mind device and you’re performing Inception on me or something? We went through the EXACT same experience this weekend. I feel happy that I can agree 100% with someone on Schaub on this blog.
It's certainly not all on him
In games decided by eight or fewer points since 2007, Schaub, 30, has a 99.1 rating – the highest in the league.
In the last eight minutes of games, Schaub has thrown 52 touchdown passes and only 22 interceptions. He’s the only quarterback among the top five with 30 more touchdowns than interceptions.
He’ll lose games, he’ll win games…..but he’s not holding this team’s biggest problem.
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by TexansDC on Oct 10, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 17 recs
Awesomeness.
Thanks for digging that up.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
/cue Rivers' "IMPEACH SCHAUB" rant
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Been all over the internet over the past week
Before Sunday’s game mind you, but that won’t break the point……
"Lord, beer me strength."
let's put it this way.
Is Schaub going to get any better? would you say that this is as good as he could possibly play (comprehensively..meaning, is there something in his skill set he hasn’t perfected yet, that you feel he will fix eventually?) If your answer is: no. Then, we are wasting our time. I already know the stat u posted above, and to me, it means NOTHING. B/c we were 5 yards away with 7 seconds. That’s winnable, and a great qb would have won it. If our standard is that our qb should be “serviceable” and not “great,” then I don’t know what to say anymore.
It’s at least worth searching for a qb to replace him. Just like GB did, just like Philly did, just like San Diego did. It couldn’t HURT us, so why not at least use a high pick on a young qb? I don’t think Schaub has any ‘secrets’ or any ‘improving’ to do. He is what he is. And what he is, is slightly above average. woohoo.
by wiseonekms on Oct 10, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yesterday is not the best schaub can play
and he STILL throw for 400+ yards and 2 TDs. I would look at last year or the year before. His accuracy has been off this year, but he’ll get it back.
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whoa, let's be clear here
116 of those yards were ALL arian, and about another 70 were diving catches by Walter, a jump ball for Dreesen, and a busted coverage. Schaub’s short passing accuracy is looking worse game after game.
and about another 70 were diving catches by Walter, a jump ball for Dreesen, and a busted coverage.
I bet you can do tihs for any QB in just about any game. Knowing when to drop off to the RB is a skill that not all QBs possess(COUGH grossman COUGH).
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He's been doing it this season
Seems like he learned it from Schaub
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's not forget the Owen Daniels interception.
Had to pry the ball out of double-coverage on one play… That last play of the game just capped off one of the worst performances he’s had in a long time. Schaub made more bad throws than good throws today, and that’s not something you can usually say about him.
That said, football is still about the long-run to me. One bad game doesn’t indicate that he’s incapable of taking us to the playoffs. He has a running game and a defense this year for the first time in his career. If he doesn’t get it done in 2011, then I’ll start listening to suggestions for replacing him.
^that's fair.
and is usually my perspective on Schaub. I’m speaking emotionally intentionally. I want this to be noted. But, I agree 100%. If we don’t make the playoffs this season, I think it’s not even a question that Schaub needs to be replaced.
Why not use a high pick on a QB
BECAUSE THE DEFENSE NEEDED TO BE FIXED FIRST! Where the hell were you last year?
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by Jordann on Oct 10, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
nono,
I mean this season. I needed to reiterate this. I’m talking about moving forward. I am not faulting management for having faith in Schaub prior to this season. My entire thesis is not about the past, but about how to move forward NOW. I completely understand we were buliding the oline and defense in the past 4 drafts.
draft.
If Schaub’s not the answer, go find one. Was Aaron Rodgers an ‘elite’ qb when GB took a shot on him? Was Brees an ‘elite’ qb when NO picked him up? No. Taking risks and chances is part of the game. Looking forward, I would like to see the Texans address the QB position in such a manner.
Before Banks corrects it, Brees was coming off of back-to-back Pro Bowl seasons before landing in New Orleans
He wasn’t a scrub by any means. Teams were cautious since he was coming off of shoulder surgery, but they knew he had proven himself capable.
But, back to Houston, then we’re a few years out if we’re drafting one. So we’re okay with hitting the reset button?
"Lord, beer me strength."
Plus, him and Payton are just a fit.
They have the same mind when it comes to football. It’s seriously a match made in heaven.
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to me… I would not be totally apposed to taking a qb to develop. maybe a second or 3rd rounder. (not yates) and letting him sit under schaub. Mabye tannerhil? griffin IIl? but we still have to stick with schaub because he has proven he CAN be that qb.
PUT IT ALL BEHIND US!! LEARN, AND MOVE ON! LETS GET AT BALTIMORE NEXT WEEK AND COME OUT WITH A WIN!
by Carter Liles on Oct 10, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Keenum.
or maybe Denard Robinson? Wouldn’t those be more attractive options than Tannehill or Griffin?
I love Denard more than one man should.
But he will never be a good NFL QB. He’s 5-10 at best and still does not work through his pass progressions.
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Keenum maybe added to mine.
But I’m not a huge fan of scrambling QBS. With the risk of running comes the risk of injury. He’s an athlete, but a lil too small, and not a great passer. Just a good one.
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by Carter Liles on Oct 10, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I like scrambling, I think.
As long as there’s a distinction between that and “running”. I’d call Rodgers and Brees “scrambling” QBs by virtue of their abilities to make plays outside of the pocket. And as much as Schaub has done for us, I’d make sure that the next QB we get can beat a defensive tackle to the edge.
Basically, I want Jake Plummer, but without the left-handed interceptions.
just no mike vick/vince young/cam newton types
I like pocket QBS. But yeah I call those Mobile Quarterbacks where as a scrambling qb will run if a play breaks down, and a runner will run first, pass second.
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by Carter Liles on Oct 10, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Cam Newton
is alot more Big Ben than he is Mike Vick. I would take Newton in a heartbeat…maybe faster if I could.
Amazing... agreement... whodathunkit?
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lol
r u a Texans fan? Do you want this team to succeed? ultimately, that’s our only goal here.
Big Ben and Cam would be my ideal qb options for this team.
lolwut
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You have to completely revamp the offense then
At least for Cam. Dude’s only got a deep ball game….and this is a west coast offense. We’d have to add a ton of speed to the receivers.
As for Ben, I can’t fairly judge him. Alleged or not, I could never root for a guy like him on the team. Yes, I get there are bad apples out there and all but I don’t want to root for him.
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ahhhh
I see. You’re one of those guys who wants to connect on a pseudo-personal level to your local sports team. I respect that. This explains alot. I couldn’t care less about a player’s personality. I’m a huge Kobe, Big Ben, and Allen Iverson fan. Just b/c of their technique and skill level.
I see ur point about changing our offense, but if we ever came to the “move on” point, it would have to be a legitimate consideration.
If we're at the "move on" point then it likely involves a schematic change
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yep
so in that case, would u like a Big Ben/Cam Newton type? Or would u stick to the pure pocket passer?
If we're talking ideals, gimme Aaron Rodgers
I love the west coast offense. I grew up a huge 49ers fan and think it’s a wonderfully designed scheme.
Rodgers, who would thrive in any scheme, is the modern day ideal for the scheme….accurate, good arm, and mobile enough to make enough plays with his legs when needed.
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I want a Big Ben type.
Big boy who can move.
I've never been one to suggest replacing Schaub regardless of my hate for the man
but Robert Griffin III has looked amazing in the games I watched. all I heard about the guy before this season was he’s ridiculously fast but I don’t think I ever actually saw him run with the ball in the 2 games I watched. how tall is he? I don’t want a midget QB.
He's 6'2", 220 lbs
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by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
not good enough
we need 9’ 2" 370 lbs
or more balls are gonna get tipped…
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by MeMongo on Oct 11, 2011 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But Griffin can roll out of the pocket quickly where there won't be anyone to tip the pass
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by The Night Owl on Oct 11, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
absolutely.
We’d have to right? We’d have to get rid of Kubiak, clean house, and start over from scratch. I believe in failing miserably and building from scratch than living in mediocrity and never taking the big leap.
It’s kinda the difference b/w where the Rockets are now and where the Lions are.
Okay, now you're just trolling...
…run along.
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wait, what?
That’s not trolling. I mean clean house in the management sense. If we could just change our coaching, qb, and keep everything and still win, I’d be down for it. But, I have no problem with the approach that: “we failed AGAIN, let’s start over.”
I agree we’re not there yet, but if we end up 6-10 this season….are u actually going to be that opposed to starting from square one?
Yes...
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
but the goal should be
to build a superbowl contender. not a mediocre franchise that ‘may compete’ if all the stars align. Actually, let’s put this in words that a Texans fan would appreciate: I don’t want to become the Dallas Cowboys.
You're talking about Schaub
Just like Cowboy’s fans talk about Romo.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I want to become the Dallas Cowboys...
…of the 70s. I want an organization with some stability and not an organization that completely reinvents itself every four years.
The only change that I think we need to make organizationally at this point is possibly some new blood at Special Teams because it is starting to feel like when we say “Special” it means they have there own little team bus. I am SICK and tired of getting punked on gamble-assed special teams plays. That is a lack of coaching and imagination.
I’m not married to Schaub and after yesterday I’m worried that there may be an injury affecting his throwing motion that we aren’t being told about.
However, I think that nose tackle, linebacker depth, wide receiver depth, cornerback, and offensive line are ALL bigger priorities at this point than quarterback and once the rest of the pieces are in place with adequate depth, THEN start looking at whether or not the QB is “elite” or not.
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*sigh* "thEIR own little team bus..."
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
I sense a fundamental difference in philosophy here.
Which I will respect. When I meant “Dallas Cowboys” I mean the present state of the Cowboys. They’ve put enough talent into that team to win and contend for a Superbowl. Sure, their secondary is weaker than most teams, but other than that, there should be no excuse for the qb of that team to not lead them to the playoffs. It’s a pipe-dream to wish to be the Cowboys of the ’70’s. We haven’t even gotten to the playoffs yet, let’s work on that first.
As far as your opinion, while I understand it, I’d build from the top down. Start by believing in my franchise qb and then finding the pieces to the puzzle. I think we are capable enough to win. I just think we lack a QB capable of taking us there. Schaub is basically a poor man’s Matt Hasselbeck.
I get ur point, but I respectfully disagree.
I think that the top-down approach...
…is what they tried with David Carr. Admittedly, I think that Carr was just a bad personnel decision with no discipline and no study habits, but with everyone blaming the offensive line, why should he change?
But I think that you are correct and we fundamentally disagree on approach and fortunately we have the luxury of not having to “work things out”…
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
very true.
good call Dillo. at the end of the day, it’s kinda a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” kinda thing. Particularly if we don’t make the playoffs. That would be armageddon for this team, I think.
How bout we restrict our "moving forward talk" to the rest of the season
Instead of speculating about spending high draft picks. Some of us believe this team still has a very real shot at a strong playoff run with the QB we already have.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
:(
I wish I could share such optimism. I just don’t know if it will come to fruition. I guess subconsciously in my mind I’m thinking that Andre is going to be out longer than he is and that the Titans are better than they really are. And I still can’t shake the automatic reflex that I think Indy is going to somehow win this division inexplicably.
You're completely rational
Let’s chunk everything in the garbage based on one loss. If I were you, I would submit a resume to begin a career as a NFL scout….so you could eventually become a GM.
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by TexansDC on Oct 10, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
The Bengals are hiring.
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He's the wise one
You must take his word as gospel! A preacher with a grand pulpit!
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dude
it’s just a screen name. Why is everyone getting so sensitive? It’s just an opinion. relax. I’m not gradn standing, I’m just stating what I feel to be a growing problem in Schaub’s game. I’m saying we should look forward THIS year. Schaub isn’t the answer to this team’s future.
You're the only one getting sensitive
“DUDE IT’S JUST A SCREEN NAME!”
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by Jordann on Oct 10, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
hehe
it’s hard to read context on forums. Sometimes I feel like people just attack someone’s intelligence to be cool. I’m not into that.
I just said:
“DUDE IT’S JUST A SCREEN NAME!” and I sounded like one of those Bud Light commercials where a guy gets called out for doing something that wasn’t “masculine.” hahhaha.
You're talking.
I need numbers to back it up, but you don’t have any. The numbers (as revealed by the above stats) disagree with you.
I agree that Schaub is no Brady. Also, there is nothing wrong with drafting a QB. But the last thing we should worry about is replacing Schaub.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I want this post to be rec'd as much as possible.
It’s at 5 right now.
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I don't think a late game score is the problem with Schaub
I would like to see a stat when he is flushed from the pocket, because it almost always seems to result in an incompletion or a sack. That is my main concern with Schaub, he struggles turning a busted play into something special. He’s good when the protection is there.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
and it doesn't matter
if your qb has a chance to win the game after all is said and done. If your argument is that “if we played better we could’ve won.” Duh. The Raiders could be saying the same.
Ultimately, we were exactly where we needed to be to finish the game: with the ball in the redzone in the hands of our qb to win the game. Give that scenario to NE, GB, NO, or Pittsburgh, I’m sure they’ll take it gladly.
Didn't work out so well for Pittsburgh last weekend.
(for which I am very thankful)
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure Pitt didn't end the game inside the redzone...
Probably best to read every post twice before responding. No one will notice if you need to spell the bigger words out.
by NWestTexan on Oct 10, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How is that against Schaub?
Schaub wasn’t magically placed inside the red zone. He completed HUGE passes on 1st and 25, 3rd and 23 and a “hail mary” to Dreesen to get into the red zone. Pitt went 3 and out and got manhandled.
um, Schaub also got help by
a pass interference on Jacoby, a roughing the passer, and Arian making a ridiculous play to turn a sure-fire loss into a 20 yard gain on a screen. I’m saying that the team made some BIG plays that had nothing to do w/ Schaub, including the penalties, and somehow some way we were at the redzone. Theoretically, if NO, Pitt, NE, GB were in such a situation giving their QB a chance to win the game w/ all those mistakes/shortcomings prior to getting to that 5 yard line: they’d take it. Meaning, they wouldn’t complain and whine about the mistakes that led up to that point, they’d just say: “We got what we wanted w/ our QB to make the play, and he couldn’t do it.” And they’d move on to next week. Problem is, we don’t have such a luxury, b/c we’re still unsure about our QB’s ability in those situations. That’s all.
If Schaub gets credit when the team loses...
Shouldn’t he get credit for when they succeed also?
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
yes, and I've given him that credit up to date.
Until today. I’ve had enough of him. Like I said, this is a very drastic change of heart for me. I’m usually very level-headed with Schaub. After yesterday’s game: no more.
I don't understand
How we can put an entire game into one play. If you want to take out plays like the vickers drop, special team miscues, etc, wouldn’t you at least want to look at the entire last drive? How many QB’s other than Schaub would have brought the team to the goal line? It was not his best game by any means, but he did put us in a position to win the game.
Should the playcall gone to anyone other than Jacoby? I think so. I would have prefered it go to AJ (if healthy), OD, Foster, Walter, Dreesen, heck even David Anderson (he seems to have a knack for finding soft spots in the D) before I would go to Jacoby. I still feel comfortable with Schaub in these situations.
Schaub put us in a position to win the game?
Let’s be realistic here: Roughing the passer, Arian Foster busted screen play (but he turns it into a 20 yarder), a jumpball to Dreesen and he makes a remarkable catch, and then Schaub becomes Schaub at the last second and throws the int.
It seems you haven’t read the entire argument, so for the sake of brevity, let me break it down: I can reduce the game to one play, b/c that’s what the game was essentially reduced TO. One play to win the game, and the ball in our QB’s hands. Our QB didn’t get the job done. There were PLENTY of mistakes made by our special teams, oline, vickers, etc. But, the idea is that Oakland can be saying the SAME thing. That’s part of the game, but what can’t be overlooked is having the opportunity/the game in your HANDS. We did, Schaub did and he failed. He deserves that. Let’s move on.
also
on that last drive: Schaub was sacked, and fumbled a snap. And there were MANY throws in the game he should have made, but he either overthrew his man or threw a bad pass (mostly in the short game. His accuracy here is terrible.) U say, “How we can put an entire game into one play.” —> u can if that’s where the game was going and how it was decided.
The offensive line played like crap.
And that snap was all on Myers.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
hopefully next year:
it’s someone not named Matt Schaub.
thank you NWestTexan
I appreciate someone having my back :)
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 11, 2011 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah... just thought that was a funny coincidence.
Not sure how that was construed as me bashing Schaubie, though. /laughs
Just because Big Ben said it (like he should), it doesn't mean it was true.
They lost because their line is made of marshmallows.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
that wasn't the point:
He’s a leader, and he proves it week in, week out. Even in his demeanor, his postgame interviews, his swag is natural.
lol I love it when they fall back on the ever ambiguous "leadership" card
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I would argue that Schaub has developed into quite the leader.
And that Tomlin drives the Steelers, not Big Ben.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The more you comment
The more I’m convinced that you need to change your screen name.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
ugh
end of story: we should have won that game. And it didn’t have to be IDEAL for us to win it. Schaub had the opportunity and he failed. We have 11 more games to go. If this season is no different than the past few seasons, I’d be curious to see if we defend Schaub as vehemently as we do today.
And I don’t need to change my screen name, I’m spot on.
Nobody is arguing that we should've won that game.
Nobody is arguing that Schaub had the opportunity and failed. What’s being stated is that Schaub is not as bad as a quarterback as you and some of the people here think. He is not the problem and you can’t just attribute a loss to one player. That’s just ridiculous.
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Fine.
But you can most definitely attribute yesterday’s loss to him. I think that’s fair. He is the QB. He is the leader. And regardless of all mistakes made by the team, (b/c it’s impossible and silly to expect our team to play 100% in every phase just to win a game), Schaub should have made that final play.
He should take the blame. I’d feel alot hapier if BRBers should agreed with me on that: this one’s on Schaub.
Decided to take the easy way out by being a troll
Awesome.
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by Jordann on Oct 10, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
hahaaha
touchey, touchey Jordann, I will mend my trolling ways w/ the “Schaub sux.”
Unclear whether...
…you are calling Jordann “touchy” or if you are saying “touche”…
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by DilloTex on Oct 10, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
he wasn't saying toushe
he likes jordanns buttocks
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by nolander on Oct 10, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ah... okay, then...
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
I blame Vickers.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
by DilloTex on Oct 10, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
And you still haven't answered this:
Exactly what should gave Schaub done on that play – with no one open and a Safety bearing down on him?
We need something besides "somehow win the game" or "somehow complete the pass"
Let's all panic, slit our wrists , fire the coach, fire the quarterback BECAUSE OMG WE LOST A GAME!!!!!!1111!!!!111!!!!
by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
If anything, we should be blaming the playcall.
I’d rather Kubiak take the hit than Schaub.
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That
or really good defense by the Raiders on that play
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait there was another team on the field yesterday
who where actively trying to stop us from scoring?
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signal Jacoby to the back corner of the endzone
My attitude is like a virgin......I dont give a fuck!
He may have done that
Looked to me like he was motioning to his left before the throw. Maybe his left arm was just flailing about though.
But Jacoby just sort of stood there
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he should have thrown the ball away
if the first two reads weren’t there. It wasn’t like it was 4th down. Throw it away and leave a second or two for one more play.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
He should have been given a play from the coach to ensure the ball went to a playmake
Which at this stage of the season/game was Foster or Daniels
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oh, I answered that a bit earlier
he should’ve ran it in, pumpfaked it hard and ran it in towards the pylon. If he got in, great, if he didn’t, I would have been like, “but that was nice to see him put his team on his back.” No joke, I’m that guy. I like seeing gutsy plays even if they fail. Persepective: I love Kobe Bryant to death.
Level set...
I love Kobe Bryant to death.
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i agree with you wiseone
the rest is trivial 7 seconds on the clock were on the 5 in position to win and schaub an 8th yr vet makes a rookie mistake
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by Steelbluecurtain on Oct 10, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK you say mistake
Exactly what should have Schaub done on that play – with no one open and a Safety bearing down on him?
We need something besides "somehow win the game" or "somehow complete the pass"
So far I get no answers on these
Let's all panic, slit our wrists , fire the coach, fire the quarterback BECAUSE OMG WE LOST A GAME!!!!!!1111!!!!111!!!!
by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
throw it away before he scrambles and at least have another shot at it
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by Steelbluecurtain on Oct 10, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean when the D lineman was all in his face?
I don’t think he wanted to risk another batted ball.
After that he was scrambling.
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
It's still what he needed to do.
Gotta get rid of the ball there and give yourself a fresh play. The odds of it getting tipped and picked are pretty low.
he was in shotgun if the primary receiver isn’t there boom right thru the back of the end zone all you need is 1 second left to give it another shot
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by Steelbluecurtain on Oct 10, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
7 seconds on the clock though
A) How does he know if he has time to throw it away?
B) When does the ball land so the clock will stop?
I can understand why he didn’t chance it…..hell, I yelled my head off at Colt McCoy in that Big 12 title game because I didn’t know if he had killed the clock in time.
"Lord, beer me strength."
just watched the replay if he trows it away before he scrambles there would be at least 3 seconds on the clock
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by Steelbluecurtain on Oct 10, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
*throws
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by Steelbluecurtain on Oct 10, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
A Quarterback is a back.. tuck the ball ... run like hell and use a good stiff arm...
That shows he has balls….and like was said earlier….is willing to put the game and the team on his back…
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
exactly!
like Marshawn Lynch, Greg Jennings, and Ryan Grant.
Steelblue...
I think there is a fundamental difference here in personalities. I’m kinda that ‘overly hyper risktaker.’ I don’t even care if I fail as long as I can say, “I gave it everything I got.” I don’t really complain about crap that happened in the past, I think BRBers are alot more ‘holistic’ in their football analysis. I understand this difference in personality, I respect that.
Again, perspective: I love Kobe.
Highly debatable on the name thing, but we digress...
I’m no football god like Manning or Brady, but I can think of a couple of other people that had the opportunity to win the game and failed. Nay, I can think of SEVERAL, even.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
I say....
Fuck Matt Schaub for the next 2 days. Then after that, we are good.
My attitude is like a virgin......I dont give a fuck!
lulz
Let's all panic, slit our wrists , fire the coach, fire the quarterback BECAUSE OMG WE LOST A GAME!!!!!!1111!!!!111!!!!
by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Can we also throw Joe Marciano into the fire?
And maybe that stupid playcalling chart too?
Let’s rage at it all for 2 days.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Lets not rage about it......
Lets just say fuck’em. If your not clutch, i show you no love
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Wait, do you mean just Kubiak's or ALL Denny's menus?
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This is horrible.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow...
… nope, that it… just… wow… that’ll leave a mark!
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by DilloTex on Oct 10, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice wishful thinking champ.
Click that “up” button. It’ll point you right to your post.
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by riversmccown on Oct 10, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol
I’m kinda new to blogs, so didnt’ realize you could check it that way. haha. meh, agree to disagree I guess.
This comment made me laugh.
We were 6 yards away from beating a team at home that we should have beaten, and Schaub had the opportunity to win one for his team. He didn’t.
Yes. ‘We’ were 6 yards from winning a game. ‘We’ were also a dropped pass and a ton of injuries from winning a game.
Everything that happened before that was just football.
So what was the last play of the game? Chinese checkers?
They were mistakes no doubt, but they were overcome, and our entire team gave our "leader" a legitimate shot to seal the deal.
Of course there were, but they were ‘just football’, so apparently they don’t count…
Don’t pamper Schaub on this one. He should SOLELY take the blame for this one: just like Big Ben was doing last week.
I’m not saying that Schaub couldn’t have played better. He could have. I mean, he could have passed for 900 yards and 22 touchdowns, and rushed for 16 more. Not likely, but yes, it COULD have happened.
People pinning a loss on a single person crack me up. Mario’s pectoral muscle could be blamed for getting torn, just like James Casey’s. We could blame the loss on Vickers dropping a pass. We could blame the game on Jo-Jo not getting a pick-6 and returning it for a touchdown. We could even blame Kareem for not playing, since he might’ve made the tackle on Run DMC to stop a TD from happening…Pick whichever scenario you like! it’s like a choose your own adventures book, woo hoo!
Bottom line is that you can’t say ‘we should have beaten the Raiders’ because we didn’t.
Also, you can’t say that ‘we should have beat the Raiders’ because you don’t play for the Texans, and everyone here will mock you if you do, but that’s a story for a different post.
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
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by Autra on Oct 10, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I tried to make that point earlier
with someone i live with, it didn’t end well. If any of a dozen things happen differently, the Texans win the game and Schaub is talked about as a clutch QB. If Rackers doesn’t miss the FG earlier in the game, we are in easy FG position at the end of the game to take the lead. If the Raiders kicker wasn’t a freak, they don’t hit 3 50+ yard FGs and the end of the game is different. If the Raiders don’t get that fluky punt block, it takes a FG off the board, changing the ending of the game. If Vickers doesn’t drop that really easy pass from Schaub, he easily scores a TD and the end of the game is different. If Mario doesn’t go down, maybe the Raiders never get a first down. If the offensive line had been hitting the Raiders defensive players in the ribs every time they put their hands up, maybe 7 passes don’t get deflected at the line possibly changing the score of the game. It took a whole lot for the game to turn out how it did, it’s stupid to blame it all on one play.
by Bobbythegreat on Oct 11, 2011 4:22 AM CDT up reply actions
but Autra
That’s not my point at all. The idea is that we were in a position to win the game. I’m not understanding why the arguments are being referred to ‘hypotheticals’ that I didn’t use to argue. Rather, I’m saying that Schaub DID NOT make the play, so he should be accountable, only b/c this was a unique opportunity with the ball in his hands to actually MAKE the play. There is no denying that the team failed in many aspects, but with AAALLLL that said, with ALL the mistakes we had 7 seconds at our 6 yard line to make a td to win the game. Given everything that happened in the game, you can’t make the excuse that “Schaub is not solely responsible for not winning that game.” Why? B/c he had a perfect opportunity to do so at the final moment.
Which is different from say, Vickers who would have given us a chance to tie the game, or Rackers missed fg w/ Vickers missed catch giving us the lead. Those are most definitely unfortunate hypothetical situations, however, it all is moot if your QB has a chance to make that game-winning play.
Think of it this way, last week Manning nearly fumbled the opening kickoff and lost it to Pitt. Can you imagine that Pittsburgh blaming their loss on: “well, it would be a totally different game had we capitalized on that fumble. We were there, we could’ve made the play, but our special teams blew a perfect opportunity to get it done.” No, they didn’t, instead, what did Big Ben say in the press conference? He blamed HIMSELF for not making the plays on that drive and others. I guess, my argument is more ‘semantics and emotion,’ but I think it still deserves to be said: b/c to be a winner you must act like one. You won’t see Kobe complaining about Derek Fisher not getting open, when they are down by 1 and he’s got the ball w/ 5 seconds to go. No, he’ll take the shot, the glory or the blame. That’s the nature of the beast.
Did we make mistakes? no doubt, were they part of the reason we lost? of course…but does it REALLY matter if we had a legit shot to win the game? not at all, b/c Oakland could easily say: “if we did ‘x’ ‘y’ ‘or z’ we would be in a far better position to win.” At the end of the day..u just gotta win when presented with the opportunity.
Wow... Rivers more supportive of Schaub than I am... Cats/Dogs... End of World...
Thanks for the great write-up Rivers. It’s much more even-handed than I was feeling last night. I’ve defended Schaub and pulled for the guy ever since he got here. But watching those balls hit the turf badly under-thrown throughout the game just about gave me a stroke. Someone else (possibly Rivers) pointed out that it is possible that those were due to poor route-running. I certainly hope so.
Right now I’m more frightened of a season-ending injury for Mario than I am of Schaub not being able to pull out of it.
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now that my rage was released in my first post in this thread....back on topic from Rivers article
I appreciate what you wrote Rivers. The questions and considerations are good ones for us to chew on this morning. Here is my take:
If Schaub has three or more exceptional players with him, he can flourish with long drives or big plays and win games. Let’s just use simple math without the known (Murhpy) variables: 3 “exceptional” players with Schaub = 99% chance of being successful. For each of them missing, his potential drops by 33%. He needs: ‘Dre, Foster, Daniels or he’s in trouble. He doesn’t have the “elite” ability to overcome the odds with just “good” players around him.
He cannot transcend the gap and lead a group of average/good players to victory. Proven time and again.
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No doubt he isn't Peyton Manning
or Tom Brady
Not many other QBs can make the receivers “better” than they are
your math theory may be right
Mario Williams and Antonio Smith on track for 16 sacks each this season.
by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Is there another QB you want to include in ther?
You know, like one the Texans have played this year?
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Sorry, Jon.
You’re right. How could we forget Kerry Collins?
by Nashmeister on Oct 10, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably because everyone else does.
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
I wasn't trying to make an all inclusive list
Just making a point
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I know.
I just get frustrated because Brees isn’t automatically put into that same tier by people.
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Although I WOULD take your backup QB in a heartbeat if you guys were stupid enough to let him go...
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People might think a lot differently
If he hadn’t been saddled with K/Chris Brown, Richard Smith an Frank Bush all these years.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I said that yesterday about Jacoby running sub pro routes.....
Rivers are you stealing my stuff? at least give me credit for the idea…
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
I really don't even know who you are.
So there’s that.
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by riversmccown on Oct 10, 2011 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I know... I will also thank you for not being one of the guys who tried to shoot me down this past summer when I was saying we needed another reciever...when all those around me were Texson bashing... they're not bashing me now...
Just stop stealing my stuff—- (jokingly) You are the consumate professional. I do like most ( not all) of your stuff.. Keep up the good work man… Now where the f—k is BFD?
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
Who on the team is more important than Schaub?
AJ is a gimme.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 11:11 AM CDT reply actions
That depends
On what you think of Matt 2 and Yates…
I'm interested to see Leinart after two years of rehab under Kubiak
One thing I can say for certain is he has at least had a record of fighting with heart to win championships in his past. He’s probably going to be a starter in the NFL somewhere next year.
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Foster
I’m not a blind supporter of Arian by any means, but he has made plays and changed the momentum of games more consistently than Schaub in the last 21 games.
I’d stack rank the Texans (top ten) like this:
Andre Johnson
Arian Foster
Matt Schaub
Mario Williams
Duane Brown
Brian Cushing
Antonio Smith
Owen Daniels
Jonathon Joseph
Eric Winston
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But Tate stepped up and was more than serviceable.
I’m not sure the backup QBs could do that.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Tate is not Foster
he is in the next block of ten for ranked impact players and value to the team (probably around #14)
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I'm certainly aware of that.
But I think Tate would do a better job replacing Foster than Leinart for Schaub.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I whipped up this list as top 10 players on the roster for impact and value to the team
not position/slot importance
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As far as impact and value than Schaub is #1.
Just like the QB for every other team. Even Sanchez is the most important player on his team.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
I'm saying we win more games without Foster.
Than without Schaub.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
but u can
chalk that up to just the nature of the position of the qb. He, inherently, has more value to his team b/c of the magnitude of his position.
And mostly we have has at least 1 of your top four injured
Now, Mario is out for the season.
Brisiel may need to be on that list someplace too.
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I was tempted to add Brisiel
and feel he is #11 to be honest (in terms of impact player and value)
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It's spelled Johnathan, and I'd put him higher, not sure where atm.
He’s effectively shutting down one side of the field and preventing QBs from targeting their best WR. Denarius Moore was shut down to 0 catches, a guy who has burned many teams in the previous weeks.
I tend to agree on this (sorry for spelling too)
I’d put him at #4 now that I reconsider impact/value:
Andre Johnson
Arian Foster
Matt Schaub
Johnathan Joseph
Mario Williams
Duane Brown
Brian Cushing
Antonio Smith
Owen Daniels
Eric Winston
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Joseph is probably the most important player on the team.
Without him, we go from mediocre to atrocious in the secondary. And you can’t scheme around that. Wade should still be able to generate a pass rush, even without Mario.
by Nashmeister on Oct 10, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I can get behind this.
I give AJ a slight edge, but that might change in a few more games.
Andre Johnson
Johnathan Joseph
Matt Schaub
Arian Foster
Mario Williams
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Raise JoJo higher.
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Dump Winston and add Dressen
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
no joke
I’ve been saying this for years: Joel Dreesen is in my top 10 favorite football players. I LOVE this guy because he comes to play EVERY week. He contributes in some way or another, solid red zone option, excellent pass catcher, solid blocker, solid special teams contributor, always stays healthy, plays with extreme passion, and is a good looking guy (no homo.) He’s so easy to root for. I really like the dude, always have.
And he has a nack for stepping up when his number is called.
Like when he dropped that pass right between his numbers and convinced Kubiak to waste a timeout challenging it?
That was clutch.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 11, 2011 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions
so.
Kubiak didn’t have to call that. That was a tough ball to catch, and he sincerely thought he did. It’s an intense game, I can see how one would believe they caught it.
Also, he did end up redeeming himself with that lob pass that he got big for. Dreesen was big for us at Oakland, no need to patronize him.
This is how I see Schaub
Schaub is smart and is accurate. As long as he has protection, and the play unfolds as designed, Schaub can win a game. What separates Matt Schaub from a Rodgers, Brady, or Brees, is when the protection breaks down, or the play doesn’t unfold as designed. The above mentioned three can avoid the rush, and turn a busted play into a big play even when the defense had it covered for 10 seconds. Schaub can not do this. Schaub can win games, but he will not win a game for you.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
totally agreed DaGoat.
U can add in Big Ben to that list too.
All of the Above had solid QB's to assist them to become better... Schaub didn't.
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
I've always been a fan...
but we need to replace jacoby. he is a lazy route runner. THATS why Schaub looks so off when he throws to him. Walters extended over the shoulder catch? Perfect route. Jacoby is not a god route runner. Ill take David Anderson, OR Bryant Johnson over him.
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I think Schaub just gave it to them.
He knew they needed this one more than us, and of course with the way the division looks, he knew we still got it
/sarcasm
Same question from the Ravens game last year...
Why is the ball in the hands of Schaub instead of Arian Foster? Why not a swing pass to Foster at the end, instead of “hoping” Jacoby would get open?
I don’t even put that on Schaub per se, but get the ball into the hands of a guy who shows the ability to make plays.
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Throw it to Foster he gets tackled short and everybody complains that Schaub wimped out and should have thrown it into the endzone.
I have no problem with the decision but if that had been Walter I think that’s a different play. Sadly Jacoby didn’t give Schaub much of an option on that throw.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
If we lose the game with the ball in Foster's hands I can live with it
same thing with ‘Dre. So far Schaub hasn’t proven he can win at the end. Sad thing is even Carr had some amazing wins at the end, often playing from pure heart and physicality. I remember a Jags game at Reliant where he fought and dove into the endzone.
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by MeMongo on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So does Schaub.
Sad thing is even Carr had some amazing wins at the end,
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
Bad playcalling?
Cause it looked like Jacoby was the #1 target the entire way
"Lord, beer me strength."
Matt Schaub is a solid QB
not great, not bad, just solid. He has a lot of weapons around him too that help make him a bit better. That said, there’s only a few great QB’s and a lot of bad ones so having a solid QB is definitely a good thing.
The whole D front played well even after Mario went down.
They did a great job shutting down DMC.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
forreal bro
Cody looks on point this season.
Will Mario out, who will they put at the side that doesn't have the TE?
I noticed Mario and Barwin always switch after lining up to put Mario a the side w/o the TE. Will they move Barwin to this spot and Reed takes Barwin’s spot?
CB2 is still a liability, Allen makes some plays, but still gets burned too much for the 6-8yd routes that sometimes leads to bigger gains if he can’t make the tackle. This imo is why our 3rd D is so terrible.
Not sure right now would be the best time
But I see no reason to keep him at year’s end
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Best way to describe Schaub in my opinion
Half Man-Half Bitch Sometimes he mans up and sometimes, well….
I know it sounds harsh and i know he is a tuff guy. But when the stakes are high the bitch comes out.
My attitude is like a virgin......I dont give a fuck!
but is he his own best friend?
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
I think the problem may just be he is too damn nice.
He isn’t that asshole with the “I’m gonna show you up and embarrass you” mentality. Looking at elite players in sports, most of them are total assholes. Jordan, Woods, Kobe, and Brady to name a few.
Most QB's are nice guys. Like Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers.
Being a dick doesn’t make you a better player or give you an edge. If so Phillips Rivers would have 5 SB’s by now.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
I'll say Rodgers is, I don't know about Brees.
Either way, he needs to transform on the field and have that “I own you, time to take over” killer instinct.
you can't "transform" into that
Either you have it, or you don’t. Schaub doesn’t. And I have no clue why people are so scared and hesitant to move on from him.
The question would be
Move on to what?
teh Schaub had a bad game – but it never should have come down to that one play. I guess some people think a QB can will the ball into the endzone. I am not sure what people were expecting teh Schaub to do on that play.
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
When would he have thrown it away?
Before he scrambled? At that point a guy was in his face – he had to move. By then it is likely too late
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Either one...
You pick because there was still time. I’d prefer if Matt never scrambled ever, so my first choice would be the former you offered, but either works because there was time. Go with a route, not an ad lib.
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On one of the int's I believe...
Matt Schaub was pushed out of bounds and blocked and Matt got all pissy and was looking for a flag for being blocked. He definitely showed his “bitch” side yesterday.
I lost my religion yesterday. I’ve never sworn so much in my life…
and was looking for a flag for being blocked. He definitely showed his "bitch" side yesterday.
What QB doesn’t do this? Manning and Brady do all the damn time.
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Yeah...
It never looks good for a football player to cry for a flag though. I hate it when a receiver does it for PI and a QB does it for RTP. Just looks very weak…
Can we stop with the "bitch" comments?
They ceased to be funny or useful a while ago.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm done...
I only chose that word because the OP of this particular thread used it. I’m done. My apologies.
matt is good enough to get us there.
Just need to give him some time.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
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Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
completely disagree.
We’ve been saying that for YEAAAAAAAAARS. If he were “good enough to get us there,” he would’ve shown it by now and not made the same old garbage mistakes he always makes. It’s time to at least prepare for the future. Schaub’s arm strength has deteriorated, his short ball accuracy sux, and he has no speed or balls to gain a few yards on the ground. At the very LEAST, we shouldn’t be scared to draft a young qb, or prepare for a different direction without him.
yeah its our top 5 offense to blame
not our bottom 5 defense thats kept us out of the playoffs the last few years. Spot on analysis.
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They are not top 5 if 'Dre and/or Foster are missing from the play
Proven.
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Um FYI
the Texans did draft a young QB
so you are complaining that the Texans should do what they have done?
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
so when he wins us games how do you react?
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Schaub deosn't win games.The team does.
He just loses games here.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
Fixed
He Just. Loses. Hair.
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by riversmccown on Oct 10, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
oh, I go nuts!
However, I think he loses more than he wins. This game changed my opinion of Schaub. He’s a good player, but he just doesn’t seem to be our long-term franchise answer. I give him credit when he plays well. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a pure Texans fan, I love my bhois. If Schaub succeeds, I love him, I just think he’s failing (particularly in these kinds of circumstances) alot more than he succeeds. If we can move on from him (eventually..like a contingency plan via the draft), it should be considered: very highly considered.
Same for AJ, Mario, Arian, OD...
They. Just. Lose.
/wiseone logic
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by Hugh Jarce on Oct 10, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
no, not really.
I get that it’s a team sport, but the situation that Schaub was in is unique to football. It’s like blaming Derek Fisher for not getting open when there is 5 seconds on teh clock and the Lakers are down by 1 point and kobe has the ball. Ultimately, it’s Kobe’s decision to make to win the game. Matt Schaub was in that position as well yesterday. And he lost the game for us.
That’s my ‘logic.’ and seriously guys, stop patronizing me and taking pot shots. In the midst of my discussions, I have yet to claim anyone’s differing in opinion to be “stupid” or “illogical.” I’m starting to get quite annoyed. We can respectfully disagree, it’s starting to get really annoying when your only retort is: "*insert what I think ‘x’ is trying to say* and then subtle way of calling ‘x’ dumb " let’s grow up a bit.
I really wouldn't compare Schaub to Romo
Romo loses games that are in the bag, Schaub just doesn’t win close games. He hasn’t really done things (botching a FG hold, throwing consecutive pick-6s when up by 3+ scores, Rosencopter) that lose games we’ve got in the bag.
The difference is....
Romo loses games. Schaub comes from behind and can’t seem to close it out.
I had to DVR the game (was at church) so as I was watching it, I kept shouting to the TV, “Why the F are we having so many tipped passes, move him outta the pocket or more shotgun. WTF!!!”
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by TXinCA on Oct 10, 2011 11:48 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
that goes on the coaches for failing to make adjustments
both in shotgun or dropping back, or play action, etc.
Where was our play action yesterday?!!!
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What play action?
We couldn’t run and and the Raiders knew it. Play action was dead after they stopped selling out to stop Foster.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
This.
Seemed like they had a guy devoted to not biting on the play action pretty much every single play. The question, then, is why we couldn’t run the ball despite their ends selling out against the pass fairly often…
It didn’t seem like we had a good offensive gameplan. But on the other hand, there’s not much you can do when you can’t open up running lanes or protect your QB. The Raiders D-line had their cake and ate it too. Perhaps another screen pass or two wins that game for us, but I can’t fault the coaching staff for not getting gimmicky.
by Nashmeister on Oct 10, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually I think they should have been more gimmicky
Most of our successes came as a result of a big play (Walter’s long catch, Dreesen wide open, Vickers wide open), including the missed FG (Foster’s long reception). Not entirely sure, but I think they left their CBs on single man coverage, the safeties were on run support duty, which left TE2s and FBs open and occasionally open WRs but Schaub can’t connect with them.
Adjustments
Since the majority of their blitzes came from the edges, our outside stretch plays were running right into the heat, and there weren’t many cutback lanes. Kubes really should’ve tried more runs (namely draws) up the middle and more screens. I gave Kubes just as much blame as Schaub for this game, but there were pleny of failures here and there to go around.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Not an option?
Like, not at all?? I missed the ruling that said we’d be penalized if we tried a run near players that were playing well. You think they’d announce something like that to everyone.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Still too many guys in the box.
Dennison needed to move to more screens and more blockers in deep sets, but he didn’t have the receivers to pull off the latter.
Andre Johnson masks a whole hell of a lot, doesn’t he?
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by riversmccown on Oct 10, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
ya know
i’ve criticized dennison for a lack of screens, but he started using them more towards the end of the game. Hopefully that trend continues.
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I was expecting a lot of screens.
Especially bubble screens to Jacoby because that’s the best way to utilize him. Get the ball in his hands with relative ease.
But we didn’t.
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The best way to utilize Jacoby?
“Run that way son. Straight. Look up.”
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by riversmccown on Oct 10, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
The best way to utilize Jacoby?
“Run that way son…”
“Keep goin…”
“Keep goin…”
“Nope, not yet… keep goin…”
/door slams behind him
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by DilloTex on Oct 10, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
The Texans scored a TD on play action
There were a few other successful pass plays.
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Schaub doesn't suck per se.....
But he is who we all think he is. Good but not great. So in knowing what do you have to have in place?
A. Running game
B. Good Defense
C. Capable Receivers
D. Good Special Teams Play
I’d say all “C” was not available yesterday. Even with that I still think that the defense is still the issue, the scheme still iffy at best and I think it has to do with the personnel. We have got find a corner to complement Jonathan Joseph, Allen/Jackson is not the answer. Still too many times our DBs are ten yards off WRs on short yardage downs giving up way too much space. Saw it too many times in every game so far, no bump and run in most situations, to much zone coverage which the really good QBs can pick apart. Even Jason Campbell found holes in the zone a few times yesterday! C’mon Man! (In my Keyshawn Johnson voice)
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by TXinCA on Oct 10, 2011 12:12 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
We stopped calling bootlegs
because the raiders kept seeing them coming a mile away and getting in schuabs face anyways.
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Raiders led the league in tipped passes at the line
It’s something they focus on….they had the bootleg scouted very well as well.
"Lord, beer me strength."
but I thought we only play games in a vacuum
and the only reason we lose is because we are shittily coached and beat ourselves. You mean the other team is allowed to do things to?
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
/laughing... I keep reading your comments as coming from that avatar...
pretty entertaining…
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
Out those two together and you have a team with a .500 record... what? That's the Texans!
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
My favorite part?
You left church and then started cursing your TV. I don’t think you prayed enough at church. LoL… /sarcasm.
Lol...
I was wondering who would pick up on that! I think we lost the game b/c instead of focusing on the sermon I was wondering how big of a lead we had after the first quarter I saw!!! So the loss is on me fellas….God don’t like ugly!
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by TXinCA on Oct 10, 2011 12:23 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Never take for granted...
the power God possesses. He knows you’re not focusing on Him in church, but you’re focusing on the game. Next time, focus on prayer in church and the game at home… unless of course your minister decides to talk about the game you’re missing(which my priest has done numerous times in the past… the jerk…)
Like the name says.....
I’m in CA, so the Chargers are what’s on everyone’s mind and how bad they look despite being 4-1! I keep telling all my friends and co-workers…Yeah that may “look bad”, but their 4-1 and one. I tell them every Monday that they are spoiled fans! Lol!!
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To be is to do. (Voltaire)
Do be do be do. (Sinatra)
You know what would remedy this whole situation?
A win next week in Baltimore!
OFFICIAL MARIO WILLIAMS 2011 SACK COUNT; (5)
Jason Allen > Kareem Jackson
Betcha that happens.
Then a loss to the Titans of course.
by YohannDookeyblue on Oct 10, 2011 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
My problem with schuab right now
is that his accuracy isn’t what it was last year or the year before. His deep ball seems a bit better oddly, but he isn’t making the throws he used to so far. Hopefully he can improve on that.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Yeah his accuracy yesterday was way off.
The pressure contributed to that quite a bit though. He was hit and hurried more yesterday than I’ve seen in awhile. Definitely the most he’s been pressured all year so far.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
its been off all year
how many times has he overthrown a reciever or thrown it at their ankles this year? I think he’ll get it sorted out, but its been frustrating so far.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
the "yips" maybe?
He’s looked like he’s “aiming” the ball a couple of times…
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
Extremely well written, Rivers
I enjoyed it from beginning to end. It really helps to put everything in perspective when a clear-headed, reasonable writer takes an honest look at the situation amidst the rage of a painful loss.
You guys do realize that you hold the tiebreaker(s) over the Titans at the moment, right?
Holy cow, reading some of these comments, it’s as if the sky is falling in Houston. At least you guys didn’t get shellacked by the Steelers …. It will still be a battle royale to the death for the AFC South crown!
"You give Peyton Manning a better gm, coach, owner and he goes down as the greatest person to ever live." - coltsfan1888
by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 12:08 PM CDT reply actions
We expect to win!
So when we lose, the sky is falling
My attitude is like a virgin......I dont give a fuck!
I've said it before.
The way oakland lost Al, I just didn’t see a way that fate lets us win.
PUT IT ALL BEHIND US!! LEARN, AND MOVE ON! LETS GET AT BALTIMORE NEXT WEEK AND COME OUT WITH A WIN!
by Carter Liles on Oct 10, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
not only that
we are on pace to win 9.6 games with a fairly easy schedule after next week. The raiders aren’t the joke of a team they used to be.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Now some of you guys aren't acting like the season is over
But some are, and it’s sad …
If there’s any team in the AFC South with problems needing to be fixed not named the Colts or Jaguars, it’s definitely the Titans. We got owned yesterday, and if we don’t improve, you’re gonna own us too.
But like I said, BATTLE ROYALE TO TEH DEATH!!!!111
"You give Peyton Manning a better gm, coach, owner and he goes down as the greatest person to ever live." - coltsfan1888
by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't dislike you.
And you’re a Titans fan.
Such a conundrum.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I can fix that quickly
Give me some time. You’ll learn to hate me.
"You give Peyton Manning a better gm, coach, owner and he goes down as the greatest person to ever live." - coltsfan1888
by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
that's not the point.
I want to see this team “turn the corner.” Be a team that is feared and not complacent. We are soooo close, but I feel that our crunch time decisions from our QB is preventing us from being “that team.” We’ll talk about playoffs in week 12, I don’t wanna make the same mistake as last year.
ok so all we need to do
is magically get a top 5 QB. That should be easy to come by.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
SUCK FOR LUCK!
PUT IT ALL BEHIND US!! LEARN, AND MOVE ON! LETS GET AT BALTIMORE NEXT WEEK AND COME OUT WITH A WIN!
by Carter Liles on Oct 10, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
^lol,
I like Carter Liles’s caption. I do hope we win next week.
and there's that 'loser mentality' again
at the very least: we should try to prepare for the future. There’s a reason why Bellicheck drafted Hoyer and Mallett.
Is it the same reason we drafted Yates?
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | Football Outsiders | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Oct 10, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
oh u mean
Schuab Jr? He even has the same receding hairline.
If only we had kept our third round pick instead of trading up for Brandon Harris
Then we could have drafted Ryan Mallett and heard you complain about his receding hairline.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | Football Outsiders | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Oct 10, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
easier than
building the perfect team to give the excuse not to TRY finding one.
I'mma spam this every time you talk about crunch time
In games decided by eight or fewer points since 2007, Schaub, 30, has a 99.1 rating – the highest in the league.
In the last eight minutes of games, Schaub has thrown 52 touchdown passes and only 22 interceptions. He’s the only quarterback among the top five with 30 more touchdowns than interceptions.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Oct 10, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Find one with his winning percentage
My attitude is like a virgin......I dont give a fuck!
by The Abrego on Oct 10, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But that is the question
Is it Matt Schaub’s win or is it the team’s win? Does his receiver not catch the ball after he makes a throw that his line protected him for?
And last year skews the record because of how many times Schaub would lead Houston to the late-game lead….only to see that defense cough it up week after week.
"Lord, beer me strength."
regardless of what happens in the game..offense, defense or ST
if you have the opportunity to win, and it comes down to that player making a play. You have to make the play. Matt has to make the play!
My attitude is like a virgin......I dont give a fuck!
by The Abrego on Oct 10, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
there should be a baseball system where the QB gets a win if he throws a td in the final 2 minutes that leads to a victory. Just like baseball, win, loss, no decision. lol.
Don't get me started on the baseball system
That’s skewed too. Even if a pitcher struck out all 27 hitters, that pitcher needs a batter to knock in a run (and the catcher that called and caught a pretty damn good game). A team sport can’t credit a win to any one player.
"Lord, beer me strength."
haha
ya very true. Just an offhand thought. (Mostly stemming from the fact that I want to blame this loss on Schaub) lol. :)
No Mario Williams?
That will throw anyone into a tailspin. I imagine the comments weren’t sunshine and lollipops when y’all lost Britt.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | Football Outsiders | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Oct 10, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
It hit us hard.
But it didn’t show vs the Browns, and we thought we were going to be fine.
Then, we rolled into Pittsburgh …
"You give Peyton Manning a better gm, coach, owner and he goes down as the greatest person to ever live." - coltsfan1888
by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I had a feeling they were going to come out with something to prove
and I’m glad they did.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
That's pretty normal for us.
Gloom and pessimism define this franchise.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is why I changed my sig
Let's all panic, slit our wrists , fire the coach, fire the quarterback BECAUSE OMG WE LOST A GAME!!!!!!1111!!!!111!!!!
by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Goo'd
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
How about just firing the ST coach?
Would that be overreacting? I wish ticket prices would drop when we lost stars.
It's not enough to not get blown out.
Throughout the game it’s CONSTANTLY little things that build up to a lose. Blocked punt, missed FG, Schaub and Jacoby can’t connect, 7 passes batted down at the line.
The Texans don’t build leads like they should. They should have blown the Saints out early in that game but can’t score TD’s in the redzone. Had two TD’s called back in the Steelers game, left a FG and a TD on the field yesterday.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
Frustrating, huh?
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
this is by far the teams biggest problem through 5 games this year
we really really should have had the last few games in hand at the end of the first half.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Dorin Dickerson seems to think our injuries are funny:
Seperate tweets:
scorindorin Dorin Dickerson
Theres only one reason why the texans have such bad luck…not hard to figure out
Hahaha i love this!
Umm theres a black cat that has been runnin around lost in reliant stadium for 5 or 6 years. Still hasnt been caught…true story
The cat will make an appearance then run away. Still on the loose
I suppose we could sign Dorin Dickerson to catch it
Then again, he’s not good at catching anything. Hmm…
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by riversmccown on Oct 10, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 15 recs
Win!
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 10, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
Let's all panic, slit our wrists , fire the coach, fire the quarterback BECAUSE OMG WE LOST A GAME!!!!!!1111!!!!111!!!!
by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
The thoughts of a practice squad player (who couldn't beat out Jacoby Jones mind you) are very important
"Lord, beer me strength."
Well that solves the mystery of Dorin Dickerson
good riddance
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
by nolander on Oct 10, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
But he's well on his way to becoming a mini-T.O.
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Oct 10, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
...and the career
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
Very True
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Oct 11, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely... agreement rec
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
Teh hell is his problem?
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Chronic dooshbagalitis...
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
Just ask Jacoby "Scowly" Jones...
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
That's going to be BRUTAL...
“Okay, Jacoby, so here’s this punt… you position yourself on the 10, good, good… they punt the ball… you’ve got your eyes on it… good, good… you have to retreat to the 5… good, good… YOU MAKE A F***ING OVER THE SHOULDER CATCH ON THE 5 F***ING YARD LINE?!?? W*** T** F***!!!??!”
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
by DilloTex on Oct 10, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
The technique for the catch was questionable, but not the decision to catch it
I did not go back and watch any game tape, but from what i saw on that play there was a raider already behind him waiting for him to let the ball bounce. There is a big difference from having the ball on the 5 yard line instead of having it at the 1. Especially after the way the raiders D-line was manhandling the O-line at that point in the game. I understand the need to bash J.Jones because he really did not show up for that game, but I think this was actually the best play he made all game.
by PassMeTheBleach on Oct 11, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
One more thing
The way the ball was flying in the air, it looked to have a lot of backspin. Lechler in my opinoin is the greatest punter I have ever seen. I know one wants to give the credit to a punter for a win, but the way he was kicking yesterday he should be in the running for an MVP of the game if it wasnt for the Polish cannon blasting 50+ yard field goals.
by PassMeTheBleach on Oct 11, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Shockeyitis.
Fucker was parading his ass around yesterday after every 2 yard catch. Surprised he didn’t moon the Saints sideline.
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Shockey is a known dick...
…he’s rapidly approaching Innegan-level in my book.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
After yesterday, he's already there in my book.
Especially since the Saints cut him back in February to help him get signed on with another team.
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
he was innegan level before finnegan
was even in the league
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
♪♫He was Courtland, before Cooourtland wasn't coooll....♪♫
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
by DilloTex on Oct 10, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey athletes are generally superstitous and that black cat may be the answer...
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
the last pass
if he would had made the play at the end everyone would be like we turned a corner and can win it all with him he threw for 416 yards with no #1 receiver, no running game, and no pass protection dont forget the missed field goal and the dropped vickers touchdown
by c-los Hook Em on Oct 10, 2011 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
randy moss
enough said we have all the underneath players, we need a big deep threat bc Andre doesn’t look like he is coming back any time soon
Dude Moss is done. He doesn't want to play anymore.
That and Andre is not going to be out to long. Probably misses the ravens game but could go against TENN.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
'Dre is expected to practice this week
Probably play against the Titans if all goes well. That sounds soon to me, all things considered.
Schaub can't deliver the accurate deep ball
That’s what a lot of BRB posters told me in July…. seems the short goal line passes either….. water under that bridge…
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
I don't suppose there is...
…a serviceable OLB running around out there that can be acquired to fill in for MerryO?
That worries me more than Andre at this point…
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
I wonder who will take his roster spot.
Isn’t Nading on the PS? I pretty sure we put an OLB on the PS so he’ll get activated.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
I think you've got to let Reed sink or swim at this point.
He was a second round pick for a reason. Lets find out if it was a good one.
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by riversmccown on Oct 10, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Very well put Rivers
I was one of the people yesterday that were down and out on Schaub. I was one that was saying I don’t think we’ll ever win a Superbowl under him. Yeah, I’ll admit maybe I was a little upset and that had a lot to do with my posts. And I wasn’t trying to say that he’s anything like Rusty Smith, and we ALL know he’s no #18… I guess if you ranked QBs from low, to medium, to high- he would be a high medium. But to say that would not tell the whole story… He just doesn’t seem to be a leader. He seems to get so flustered. He seems to have no mobility, poor situational awareness, and a penchant for making the same exact mistakes over and over. And I know that I have to keep it in perspective, and that QBs have bad days and good days… But this year, this game specifically, he just lost me… He completed 47% of his passes yesterday. He had 7 passes batted down, like 2 or 3, or maybe more, from the same fucking guy. I mean, are you for real? He’s a good QB, but he is just a bonehead too often for my liking.
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Sigh at this stat
Jacoby Jones, 1 catch, 9 yards, 11 targets…
Good stat: Denarius Moore, 0 catches, 6 targets. Joseph was a steal in FA even at the price we paid. Need to shore up the other side though.
HOUSTON
We are currently watching an 11-5 team. You heard me. We WILL lose 3 more games. Is it going to be this bad each loss? Look at our Schedule. Not that hard after Baltimore. Hang in there, this IS a good team. We need AJ on the field though to make up for all of Jacoby’s mistakes. Foster plays agains Saints and AJ against oakland and we are dancing around at 5-0 Season is not over yet yall!!!
by Texan5513 on Oct 10, 2011 1:15 PM CDT reply actions 14 recs
And it smells like Downy!
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-Catch 22-
I thought it was more of a minty fresh thing
Let's all panic, slit our wrists , fire the coach, fire the quarterback BECAUSE OMG WE LOST A GAME!!!!!!1111!!!!111!!!!
by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought 11-5 was possible too.....
Until we lost AJ and Super Mario. It’s not looking so good now.
It's hard to make a comeback when you haven't been anywhere.
Never argue with Idiots. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience!
To do is to be. (Descartes)
To be is to do. (Voltaire)
Do be do be do. (Sinatra)
I won't be concerned at all
Until the Titans continue to win games half impressively.
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by RayFinkle1985 on Oct 10, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Love the sig
In Flames we trust
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by RayFinkle1985 on Oct 10, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Titans will lose
Twice to Houston, @Buffalo, New orleans, and at least one other. TITANS FINISH 9-7 GOOD ENOUGH FOR 2ND IN AFC SOUTH.
That's about what I was thinking.
But if we choke, there will be little to no wiggle room between 1st and 2nd… Here’s to hoping.
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by RayFinkle1985 on Oct 10, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
The Texans......
have never beaten the Titans twice in a year. The only team they have beaten twice in a year is the Jags once in 04. So with that being said I’m real skeptical that they will go undefeated in the division. Which they would need to do in order to get to 11-5. With all the injuries and our track record I say a 4-2 record in the divison is more realistic and 3-3 with our other six remaining conference and non-conference opponents which makes 10-6 more realistic…..Again that would mean the Texans need to handle their business within the division!
It's hard to make a comeback when you haven't been anywhere.
Never argue with Idiots. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience!
To do is to be. (Descartes)
To be is to do. (Voltaire)
Do be do be do. (Sinatra)
What does the past have to do with the present?
Just because Red came up 10 times in a row on your roulette wheel doesn’t affect the odds of it happening again.
Meh
If we play like we did yesterday, the Texans will destroy us, but I dunno, I think coming off a BYE and (hopefully) coming out focused, we’ll beat you guys. But as for right now, all I can say is it SHOULD be a great game.
"You give Peyton Manning a better gm, coach, owner and he goes down as the greatest person to ever live." - coltsfan1888
by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Will definitely be a good game
Both teams have pretty mean defenses, about the exact same competencies right now. And both teams have productive offenses that have struggled this year against proficient defenses… But somebody has to lose. Dun dun dun.
"I am not a number. I bleed, I think, I feel, I hurt, I mourn, I cry, I laugh. We and you are the same. You are us. Love with me." -Arian Foster's twitter... Follow him, hilarity ensues.
by RayFinkle1985 on Oct 10, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
If it's us to lose, we're done
If it’s you guys, you can still come back
"You give Peyton Manning a better gm, coach, owner and he goes down as the greatest person to ever live." - coltsfan1888
by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Question for the Titan's fan:
What’s the fanbase’s thoughts on Hasselbeck?
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
We're pretty content with him.
Considering who our QBs have been the past few years, it’s nice to have a smart veteran playing QB. He didn’t look particularly good Sunday, but the whole team played like ass, so you can’t totally blame Hass. Overall, we’re happy with what he’s done.
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
lol, optimism is cute.
And is always appreciated I guess. Like I said, I’ll be the FIRST to admit I was wrong if we turn this around and Schaub starts to win games for us. I WANT to be wrong here. No joke, I will publicly apologize to Schaub (on brb) if we win this weekend at Baltimore.
If you're not a fan of optimism can I suggest you have a look at ht.com or texans talk?
You won’t find any “homers” there, I promise.
"Eat Well, Stay Fit, Die Anyway" - Ancient Chinese Proverb
Here I'll help you out
“BLOW UP THE TEAM!! FIRE KUBIAK! FIRE SCHAUB! FIRE VICKERS! EVERYTHING IS HORRIBLE! SIGN TO! SIGN RANDY MOSS! SIGN BRETT FAVRE!! WE SHOULD HAVE PICKED VY, HE JUST WINS!!!!” I’m sure you prefer that type of “Texans talk”.
by Bobbythegreat on Oct 10, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
ew no.
I’m from UT and I hate VY. I wouldn’t mind TO though. lol.
and my only type of pessmistic Texans talk I’d like to hear is: “Get rid of Schaub.”
Optimism is expected
when the current combined W/L record of your remaining opponents is 18-25….
Matt Schaub looked scared.
So what if he threw for 400 yards? It’s about winning and losing. Matt Schaub has terrible pocket awareness. There were a couple times where he would squirm out of a good pocket and right into a sack. Not to mention he goes down at the slightest touch. I just don’t think he has that grit. Nor confidence. I would have much rather have Schaub fumble it on the 1 yard line trying to run it in than seeing that pussy, halfhearted throw to Jacoby for the INT. And those sacks he took at the end! Good God man! He saw the rush coming. Just throw it out of bounds! Or out the back of the endzone. There was one play he actually pumpfaked in the face of (Kelly I think) and then did his best turtle impression and got plowed. Instead of watching highlights of the loss, maybe he should watch some highlights of Rodgers, Rothlisberger, or Brees. As for Jacoby, I never liked him. He needs to go. Despite his one punt return, he’s a terrible punt returner. What’s with that backstep shuffle thing he does every return?? Ugh. I’m really tired of the mediocrity.
Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.
by swikky on Oct 10, 2011 1:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Watching Jacoby Jones return punts this year has been
About as enjoyable as watching Slaton run the ball this year. Sadly, only one of which will no longer be forced upon me.
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by RayFinkle1985 on Oct 10, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Slaton...
What happened to that guy? He had that one year… then complete suckiness. Well, I guess anyone would be considered good compared to Chris Brown…
Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.
He was cut by us earlier this season
Signed by Miami. Not sad about it.
"I am not a number. I bleed, I think, I feel, I hurt, I mourn, I cry, I laugh. We and you are the same. You are us. Love with me." -Arian Foster's twitter... Follow him, hilarity ensues.
by RayFinkle1985 on Oct 10, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I've defended schaub for a while now
But now it’s over, there comes a time where excuses and stats don’t matter, just win some fucking games for crying out loud
by TheDream34 on Oct 10, 2011 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I know, what a horrible pass to Vickers!
"Kareem — verb: to be so horrible in coverage that the camera man is forced to zoom out in order to find the defender responsible for whoever just waltzed into the end zone." -Nashmeister
by RocketsAstros on Oct 10, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Why did he have to hit him right in the hands??
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
by Hydroshock on Oct 11, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
He just needs to remember
The Ball Is My Friend……The Ball Is My Friend……The Ball Is My Friend……The Ball Is My Friend……The Ball Is My Friend……The Ball Is My Friend……The Ball Is My Friend……The Ball Is My Friend……The Ball Is My Friend……The Ball Is My Friend……The Ball Is My Friend……The Ball Is My Friend……The Ball Is My Friend……The Ball Is My Friend……
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Oct 11, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
The thing I hate is
if Vickers doesn’t drop that perfect pass and moonwalks into the end zone then the bad pass at the end of the game never happens and the Texans probably win the game with everyone talking about how “clutch” Schaub has become and how impressive his 400+ passing yards were. Since Vickers dropped the pass and it ended how it ended, the world is coming to an end and Schaub is the worst QB ever.
by Bobbythegreat on Oct 10, 2011 1:35 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Schaub still would have played a shitty game.
7 tipped passes. 3 sacks. 2 interceptions. the horrible passes (24 of 51). And of those 400 yards, how many were YAC tards?? Foster had 119 yards on screens and dump passes. Vickers deserves his share, but he had one play to prove himself; Schaub has had game after game of mediocrity and vanilla play.
Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.
Had Vickers not dropped the easy TD pass
the second interception wouldn’t have happened. And since when do we blame QB’s for taking sacks when the line doesn’t block for him? I agree that he had an off day, but I have seen people swoon over QB’s who had MUCH worse games simply because their team won.
by Bobbythegreat on Oct 10, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point on the tips and sacks
If Schaub were even half as good as people around here say he would block for himself and solve those problems.
"Eat Well, Stay Fit, Die Anyway" - Ancient Chinese Proverb
by Hugh Jarce on Oct 10, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've had more time to chew on this...
The game “should have been” a defensive battle. And it was.
Our defense did enough to win.
Our offense is going to face good defenses without their best weapons and struggle. They did.
We lost because special teams is abysmal and allowed the other team to get better field position so their insane kicker could rock points anytime they are across midfield. A blocked punt and a mismanaged fake were salt in the wound.
That’s it.
Yes we have serious issues at WR depth, and that needs to be addressed, but field position (mostly due to special teams) is what allowed them to leverage a win. The rest is just football, and defensive battles are going to happen at times.
Texans 2011 Defense is evolving into an epic force to be reckoned with. I dub thee "Bayou Blitz" !!
by MeMongo on Oct 10, 2011 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I like this perspective.
Better than the crucify Schaub angle.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not crucifying anyone
I’m just saying he’s a mediocre QB. He’s got a great arm, but makes terrible decisions under pressure. He seems to have lost his edge. Remember that game against Miami, where he ran a QB dive up the gut for the win, then threw the ball in the endzone wall with unbridled rage? Where’s that guy??
Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.
by swikky on Oct 10, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can't agree with Schaub having a great arm
His throws just doesn’t have that zip you see from “great arm” QBs. I also notice his wind-up is slow, this is what leads to tipped passes at the line.
I just can't understand how he sucks so bad...
and yet he lead the nfl in passing yards in 2009 he had the sixth best total of all time and last year was fourth
There has to have been an injury in the mix between 2009 and 2010
because he was off target a ton last year. I heard rumors of a rotator cuff injury that got buried quickly. His targeting is way inconsistent.
Texans 2011 Defense is evolving into an epic force to be reckoned with. I dub thee "Bayou Blitz" !!
He still completed 64% of his passes (rounded up)
That was only about 4% less than 2009. Wouldn’t call that a ton. But he was lights out in 2009 for sure.
He was on the field yesterday
Only, unlike the Dolphins game, the Raiders didn’t clear out the middle of the field leaving it wide open for Schaub to run through.
I would much rather
More talent at receiver then a Schaub replacement any day… And all good points, Mongo.
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by RayFinkle1985 on Oct 10, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Im not saying replace him
He just doesn’t seem the same. I just wish he’d get a fire up his ass… Just because he played a bad game doesn’t mean I want him gone. I’m just tired of people making excuses for him when he plays poorly. Let me ask this; from 2009, has Matt Schaub gotten better or worse. Because if he’s not getting a little better every game, than that’s a problem.
Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.
I'm definitely not happy with Schaub right now
He’s a good QB, but doesn’t shine in certain aspects of his position. It’s as simple as that…
"I am not a number. I bleed, I think, I feel, I hurt, I mourn, I cry, I laugh. We and you are the same. You are us. Love with me." -Arian Foster's twitter... Follow him, hilarity ensues.
by RayFinkle1985 on Oct 10, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
And by doesn't shine I mean
Has zero skill in, but you can’t have it all. Anyway, I’d take a mini Andre over a Schaub replacement any day! Mmmmm mmmm just thinking about it makes my mouth water.
"I am not a number. I bleed, I think, I feel, I hurt, I mourn, I cry, I laugh. We and you are the same. You are us. Love with me." -Arian Foster's twitter... Follow him, hilarity ensues.
by RayFinkle1985 on Oct 10, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks. Yes with 'Dre out, we are seeing the truth about our lack of WR depth
and that has to be addressed pronto. We can’t keep relying on just one elite receiver, and a handful of “decent” ones and/or scrubs.
Texans 2011 Defense is evolving into an epic force to be reckoned with. I dub thee "Bayou Blitz" !!
Okay, let's clarify...
We have one elite “WIDE” receiver…
I submit that we have a pretty elite receiver as a tight end. And I further submit that if we used them more, we might discover some elititude in Casey and Dress, Dreese, Dreess #85 as well.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
I just went through the game again in painful review
and I have to say aside from Jacoby Jones, the rest of the receivers (WR/TE) did a great job. Dreessen, Walter, Daniels all stepped up big time.
There were more issues with the OL allowing passes to get tipped, missing blocks on screen plays, and getting their ass shoved back 5 yards. Specifically 74 Smith ruined a half dozen 3rd down plays single handedly.
Here’s my review http://www.battleredblog.com/2011/10/10/2480819/houston-texans-defense-week-five-oakland#79906534
Texans 2011 Defense is evolving into an epic force to be reckoned with. I dub thee "Bayou Blitz" !!
All of those BRB fans who said ,"We don't need another reciever Jocoby and Kevin are fine"
Sure are complaining now aren’t you???? A serious WR is the missing piece to the puzzle…. one with size, speed and great hands… will take the load off Dre’…. provide relief forOD and Walter . It will keep the running game legitimate and defenses Honest
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
Call me crazy but the proof was seen as recent as yesterday....
when the run fails you need to get to the air…. what do you suggest??? Seems our tight ends are the best recievers we have with andre out….
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
totally sarcastic Texson
I’ve been banging the #2 wr drum just as long as you have. I got ur back on this one bro ;)
God bless you man... stay strong... Cause Bozo Jones has got to go...
and Sooner than later… I am one to bring back Davis or even the out of work Dickerson
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
whoa
the paranoia in me just kicked in….why was the S in “Sooner” capitalized Texson?? That word makes my eyes catch on fire.
Texas cannot stay on top forever... the kids they have are young... give em a year or so and they will light the nation on fire once again...
and before you start… The Aggies are making some moves they will be a contender also.
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
Besides the only sooners I know is Jim Ross and Dr. Death Steve williams
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
:(
while this is true, it depresses me. I love my Longhorns.
I do too... however I love the games when you can see them of independents
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
The problem
We’re up against the cap wall….take Jacoby’s salary and put it somewhere useful. (Seriously….who out there could you get at Jacoby’s salary that would be that WR).
"Lord, beer me strength."
Nolander
He got hurt and required too much money at the time… he filed in for dre the first time he was injured back in the day and did a very good job…. ( how soon we forget) good hands and fair speed… knows the system.
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
He did a good job in 2007
Hasn’t been on a team since 2009, so I don’t think he’s really a viable option.
"Lord, beer me strength."
:not sure if serious:
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
That's why you go for the cagey veteran like davis... not too expensive... but solid skills...
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
Solid thumb skills at Madden maybe
He isn’t even in the league, so 31 other teams think he isn’t worth anything, but somehow he has skills?
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
You're still wrong
Current top 10 scoring offenses in 2011:
1. Green Bay WRs: Jennings/Nelson/Driver
2. New England WRs: Welker/Branch
3. Buffalo WRs: Johnson/Nelson
4. Detroit WRs: Johnson/Burleson
5. New Orleans WRs: Colston/Henderson
6. San Francisco WRs: Morgan/Crabtree
7. Oakland WRs: Moore/Heyward-Bey
8. Houston WRs: Johnson/Walter
9. NY Giants WRs: Nicks/Manningham
10. Philadelphia WRs: Jackson/Maclin
Of those top ten offenses, the only one that could even arguably be considered as having two top starting WRs is Philadelphia and they are in the last spot. So your theory of needing two top WRs is 1 for 10 based on real life offenses. You know what these top offenses do have though? Jermichael Finley, Rob Gronkowski, Scott Chandler, Brandon Pettigrew, Jimmy Graham, Vernon Davis, Owen Daniels. You are stuck in the 80’s. The TE is the #2 WR, and we have a good one.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
Agreed
Walter, Dreessen and Daniels are all good enough to make big catches and win games.
Jacoby Jones needs to be released in one form or another (plastic shredder, trade bait, etc)
What we need to fix is our left guard on the OL. 74 Wade Smith is the offense’s biggest liability right now. He missed far too many assignments in the game, especially on screens and/or 3rd down conversions.
Texans 2011 Defense is evolving into an epic force to be reckoned with. I dub thee "Bayou Blitz" !!
Agreed
If not sooner, they should cut Jacoby Jones & draft Dwight Jones from North Carolina. He’s got size, speed, & he’s in a system that similar to the Texans right now. Here’s his stats to date. Here’s some gamefilm from last season on him
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Oct 11, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Possible WR upgrades.....
Was looking to see who might be available at the trade deadline/2012 some interesting names out there….. A couple of Indy players stick out and one Patriot, neuther of which will happen. Lo!!!l
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=WR&y=2012
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To be is to do. (Voltaire)
Do be do be do. (Sinatra)
Andre Davis knows our system
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
Start looking for a replacement for Left Guard
before we hunt down a WR
Texans 2011 Defense is evolving into an epic force to be reckoned with. I dub thee "Bayou Blitz" !!
I pretty much have the replacement WR pointed out
See above
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Oct 11, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Tommy Kelly talking mess
His comments on Schuab
“Old boy choked,” Kelly chortled. “All he had to do was run it in. He choked, simple as that.”
Trying to run it in
would have been stupid, but he should have either thrown a better pass, or thown it away.
by Bobbythegreat on Oct 10, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Who is Tommy Kelly?
Let's all panic, slit our wrists , fire the coach, fire the quarterback BECAUSE OMG WE LOST A GAME!!!!!!1111!!!!111!!!!
by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
He's the Raiders DLineman with all those playoff victories
You know, the ones Schaub doesn’t have?
"Eat Well, Stay Fit, Die Anyway" - Ancient Chinese Proverb
So what team was he with
to get those playoff victories
Let's all panic, slit our wrists , fire the coach, fire the quarterback BECAUSE OMG WE LOST A GAME!!!!!!1111!!!!111!!!!
by Barryfromtexas on Oct 10, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I dunno, I'm sure wiseone will be along with the stats any moment now
"Eat Well, Stay Fit, Die Anyway" - Ancient Chinese Proverb
As much as I hate him talking sh*t
he has a point, I watched the last play numerous times (as painful as that was) & saw a huge gap in the middle, which schuab ignored & scrambled left, where the safety was and finally decided to let go off the ball & throw up a prayer into the hands of huff who had jacoby covered like a snuggie, which makes me wonder why is schaub so scared of contact considering his 6’5 240 lb frame & I’m a big Schuab fan but he could have bulled his way in the endzone if he wanted
damn, wtf?
why am I getting such a negative opinion from u guys? While I think Kelly has a point, I’m not saying he’s some sort of beast.
For the record, I’m not a troll. Stop picking on me!!! HAHAHHAH!

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Oct 11, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Or just paranoid?

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Oct 11, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Group think...
There are people here that know football, and have reasoned opinions. The balance of the population are fanatics with average knowledge. The latter follows the former around like a pack of dogs, sometimes.
Your mistake was to make a legitimate, yet poorly presented observation… and you stated your opinion on almost every thread.
Differing opinions make blogs like this fun, since we all have Texans fandom in common. The key is to be educated, make reasoned assertions, and don’t scream for attention.
by ahem! on Oct 11, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mean
It was an intense opinion, I guess. lol.
plus
I was totally kidding, I hope the multiple “ha’s” reiterated that I think nobody is really ‘picking’ on me.
"why am I getting such a negative opinion from u guys"
Really? You seriously don’t know?
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I mean
I just don’t like when people go, “you’re not intelligent, use reasoning and logic” over something so subjective. I think it is equally justified to say Schaub isn’t the answer to this team as it is to have faith in him. So, I don’t think there is any real reason to insult anyone’s intelligence for their opinions on football of all things.
but, meh, whatever.
Getting negative opinions isn't necessarily the same as having your intelligence insulted
I can understand your argument there, but for the most part I’m seeing some pretty well though out, rational rebuttals to your comments. It’s one thing to voice your opinion that you hate Schaub. We get that. Where you’re going wrong is insisting people agree and see things your way, when it’s pretty obvious the majority do not.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
kk
that’s fair. I just didn’t realize I’m in such a minority. I’m shocked actually, in the circles I usually converse sports in, there is far more skepticism than optimism directed at Schaub. But, don’t get me wrong, we ride Schaub’s highs, and if Schaub gets hot and proves us all wrong, I’d be the first to be elated at being wrong. I’m not a hate mongerer, I’m ready to fall in love with Schaub. I just don’t see it happening, unfortunately. Ur point is taken though, most rebuttals (while I disagreed with them) were well thought out. I respect this.
per Kubiak:
“When you don’t win, nobody played good enough. This guy didn’t coach good enough. It’s not about one guy it’s about the team."
did I type that outloud? oops.
What's the deal with Bryant Johnson.......
Has he not caught up to speed on the offense yet?
It's hard to make a comeback when you haven't been anywhere.
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To do is to be. (Descartes)
To be is to do. (Voltaire)
Do be do be do. (Sinatra)
I don't know
Yes, it was preseason but he did seem to run a few good routes and had only 5 days to learn. At least his hands seemed decent.
Most of my blame for this game goes to Jacoby, Vickers and Rackers. Shaub fought hard but made an arguably stupid play on the final play of the game that probably should’ve never happened.
Again, a lot of “if’s” but if Jacoby had the where-with-all to go to the back of the endzone or just keep his postion on Huff he could’ve caught it. Besides that I just feel like Jacoby was the main offense killer yesterday. Poor routes and stupid ST play(s).
Mario's 2011 Opposing QB Shart count: 7
Last game: two sacks
by Austin Bob_Ford on Oct 10, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Jacoby had a lot to do with Schaub's stupidity on that play
Never underestimate the dumb with JJ
"Eat Well, Stay Fit, Die Anyway" - Ancient Chinese Proverb
As a semi-smart man once said
You can’t fix stupid.
Mario's 2011 Opposing QB Shart count: 7
Last game: two sacks
by Austin Bob_Ford on Oct 10, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
bigger blame should go to the entire ST including its coaches.
almost 200+ offensive yards, huge discrepancies in first downs and 3rd down efficiency and we lose because of the field positions and a huge 35yd fake punt by the Special Teams.
Great article
This summed up exactly how I was feeling. I haven’t had a chance to read all of the comments, so I am just going to throw in my two cents, which may have already been covered.
Everyone that is pissed off at Matt Schaub for not running it in….it’s about him not taking the chance, right? I mean, Tyvon Branch was right there, and with Schaub’s lack of mobility, I don’t think he would have made it. But the anger is stemming from him not taking the chance, correct? IMO, he had three seconds left, just throw the ball out, reset and try a final play.
But I also think we should have stopped the fake punt, Vickers should have caught that drop down, Rackers should have made the 45-yard FG he missed, etc. etc.
None of what happened yesterday should write off the Texans for the season, not even the injury to Mario. We got caught in a trap game against a team who lost their owner the previous day. And with everything we did wrong in that game, we STILL almost pulled a W out of our asses.
It’s very easy to look at all the negatives, hell, the comment section on chron.com is flooded with them. I can’t defend everything that happened yesterday, that would take me until next Sunday to do so, but I will say, it’s not the end of the world.
by arianbrotherhood on Oct 10, 2011 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The "take a chance" argument is stupid
Schaub did take a chance – he threw a pass into tight coverage. Yes, it was a bad pass, but it was a chance he took, so the “take a chance people” (not you, I understand) don’t really have much of a leg to stand on. I suppose running it in is “tougher” and more football-ish?, which is the appeal for the people making this sort of argument. It’s really an extension of the tired Mike Lombardi “finesse” argument.
by socctty on Oct 10, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
if we end up
3-4 at the end of game 7, how would u feel about “our chances?”
You couldn't have been less clever if you'd been trying.
by Nashmeister on Oct 10, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Oh, wait.
Actually, he already went with “TEXAcuNtS” in another thread. I suppose it’s a wash.
Considering the dropped pass by Vickers that would have been a TD,
let’s not forget the flea flicker that Campbell overthrew that would have been a guaranteed TD if caught in stride.
by jkcheng122 on Oct 10, 2011 3:30 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Im suprised
That there is not more optimism… This season, to me, feels totally different than last season. We have a good D, our stars will align this week or next week in AJ and Foster playing in the same game! One thing that will NOT happen is changing a out our QB this season. Don’t know why we have wasted this much time talking about it…. Oh and our Division is even easier than it was last season!! Dont be fooled, the Titans are not as good as they appear to be… See blow out by steelers last week…. This game sucked, now lets get back behind our team!!
the premise you are setting here is:
yay, our division is trash, so we’ll win a bad division! the precedent I wish to set with this team is: let’s build a dominant contender. It’s clear that’s not what we are.
I'm of the opinion that its all about the playoffs.
Everyone is a contender in the Playoffs. Look at Seattle last year, or the Giants Superbowl run/victory.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 10, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
fair enough.
but so far, we don’t have a playoff contender here.
schaub
rules. i still say you can’t put it all on him. yeah, you want the qb to pull it off at the end, but he did get then that close to win it. even the great ones loose.
he seems elite to me.
by Danpassurweenie on Oct 10, 2011 4:17 PM CDT reply actions
umm....
I’m not saying Schaub is clutch, but on that final drive he completed two nice passes (one to Walter on 1st and 25 & that bomb to Dreessen before the last play) If not for Schaub, we would not be in that position with seven seconds to play, with a chance to win.
I try to remember the good as well as the bad.
Matt is still my guy and I believe we CAN win with him.
"No matter where you go....There you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
by buckaroo_banzai on Oct 10, 2011 4:36 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
hey that's cool
I read all the earlier comments, and while I respect your opinion, I don’t think either of us is going to change our minds.
We will just have to agree to disagree.
"No matter where you go....There you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
by buckaroo_banzai on Oct 10, 2011 6:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
FML. Josh Innes is proof Cowboys fans breed with manatees (no offence to any manatee fans)
How is this guy allowed to even speak about football? He’s obviously never played and sounds as though he only started watching about a year ago. it boggles the mind…
"Eat Well, Stay Fit, Die Anyway" - Ancient Chinese Proverb
by Hugh Jarce on Oct 10, 2011 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He's a 24 year old smart ass fan (Alumn) of LSU and son of a famous cartoon voice
who knows more about basketball and spitball than football.
Texans 2011 Defense is evolving into an epic force to be reckoned with. I dub thee "Bayou Blitz" !!
Who is Matt Schaub?
I only know of a Matt Schwaub.
"I'm just looking forward to something great happening in the city of Houston" - Tracy McGrady
Still waiting...
by DreKeem on Oct 10, 2011 6:22 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Okay all BS aside... Matt Schaub is decent. I don't blame him ( well at least totally)
Who I really blame is the system we call professional football it has become a game of superstardom. Back in the day we used to draft or trade for a quarterback and bring him to a team. Most of the time the team had a veteran, who either was a near washed up solid quarterback whose tools were rusty or a veteran backup who had worked with a great quarterback(s) and brought experience to the table. Nowadays we have little or none of that. Schaub played under Vick who is a great athlete but not a football guru. Houston has never had that situation with any of it’s football teams especially the Texans… Okay I hear you saying we have Kubiak…. a back-up quarterback who played a lot of scout team football… So until Matt gets some more experience or better guidence under his belt we will see more of the same..He does have the base elements of a solid leader….may benefit from some counciling also.
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
completely off topic
but, is it normal to waste this much time on this blog? I usually just post every now and then during draft season, but today, holy crap, I’ve been stuck to this blog like a patient to an IV in the intensive care unit! is this an unnatural phenomenon, or is my guilt at being totally useless today a common happening?
Yes
I’d say on that much we all agree. You should embrace it! This is a perfectly acceptable waste of time.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 11, 2011 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Welcome...

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by DilloTex on Oct 11, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well done, rec'd!
Texans 2011 Defense is evolving into an epic force to be reckoned with. I dub thee "Bayou Blitz" !!
hahhah
Exactly how this blog has a hold on me! lol.
Resistance Is Futile
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Oct 11, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You sound like that sick Michael asking for the milk....not good at all
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
Ok, I read down far enough to make one response to a comment
…before I decided that it just wasn’t worth wading through this whole thread.
Ridiculousness aside, great post Rivers, and you really managed to catch my thoughts much better than I would ever be able to. Any comments that I should pay special attention to should be linked under this one, and I’ll consider taking a look at it. Heh.
Anyway, again: great article, Rivers.
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
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Well Done!
Although not happy with the outcome of the game, and the way he came across on the post-game interview, and finally watching the film of the last play, I would agree with your analysis of him.
MrMr
can someone grab a screen cap of the fumbled snap?
I thought it clearly hit him right in the hands but I was told “it was 5 feet over his head”.
all i can remember is both announcers thinking it was the centers fault
but I think schuab got a hand on it
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
it def. hit him in the hands
only thing I can think of was maybe he wasn’t ready for the snap.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
Man schuab made a nice play on that 3rd and 23
before the last play
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
He made a lot of nice plays
when 74 Wade Smith wasn’t f*cking up our run blocking, screens and pass protection. He single handedly dismantled our offense after the first drive of the game. Go back and watch the game and just watch this guy blow it.
Texans 2011 Defense is evolving into an epic force to be reckoned with. I dub thee "Bayou Blitz" !!
Did anybody count how many time Matt threw the ball in the ground?
I was at the game and my son and I lost count at 12 in the last quarter. Come ON!!!! Yes Jacoby sucks and always has, but he can’t catch with his feet (he can barely catch with his hands). if a quarterback cannot make a 20 yard pass and hit the receiver in the HANDS, get a NEW QUARTERBACK. I was amazed watching other quarterbacks that day and the next CONSISTENTLY THROW THE BALL TO THE RECEIVERS’ UPPER BODY (what a concept). Somebody please re-watch that game. Andre has kept Matt looking good for years… He rarely seems to hit the receivers in stride, they, more than most receivers in the league have to come back to the ball, dive on the ground, etc.
Why can’t Houston ever get one of the elete quarterbacks (I think Warren Moon was the best we’ve ever had)?
I did watch that game on NFL Replay
All the balls that came up short were in Jacoby’s direction. Schaub threw the ball right where he was supposed to, but Jacoby was either late out of his breaks or didn’t hustle to get to the ball.
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Oct 13, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, fair...
If that is the case, why is Jacoby the first receiver? Walters is a lot better, slower, but better. He is our Wes Welker. Bring some guys off the practice squad, some of those impressed me.

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